On Fri, Feb 10, 2023 at 02:04 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

A single button would indeed be nice.

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Sarah, then please add a comment on  Add-Ons Manager: Generating a List of Installed Add-ons and their states #14613

It appears to be reaching "critical mass" for possible consideration in a future release, and there has been support from the NVDA developer and NVDA Add-On developer communities.

Every little, "I'd like to have that," helps.  Having enough of those may tip the scale.
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It is much easier to be critical than to be correct.

       ~ Benjamin Disraeli, 1804-1881

I already said I wasn't sure what would happen if there are many add-ons.  I only have three or four.

Gene

Jean are you sure all the information will fit?  Especially, if there are many in the users list along with all necessary information, such as the version and author of the add on.

Dave


On 2/8/2023 4:40 AM, Gene wrote:

A possible correction:
I'm not sure if the screen review method will work properly.  I don't have many add-ons installed and I'm not sure if screen review will allow all add-ons to be copied to the clipboard if there are more.  I'm not sure if it will see all of them.  It may depend on whether they all fit on the screen when being viewed.

Gene

Gene

On 2/8/2023 3:35 AM, Gene wrote:

I just checked.  You can do this with screen review and the NVDA copy to clipboard function but the information isn't nearly as well organized as doing it the other way.

Gene

On 2/8/2023 3:28 AM, Gene via groups.io wrote:

For now, the only way to do it might be to use the NVDA copy to clipboard feature, move by object to each add-on, and copy the information that way.  It works, I just tried it.  Not very efficient but it can be done.  I'm giving this method in case people may want to use it but it doesn't detract from the need for such a feature as is being discussed.

Gene

On 2/8/2023 3:11 AM, Luke Davis wrote:

David Ingram wrote:

when i go in to add-ons manager, i do find the add-ons that i have and these add-ons beeing enabled.  That
is what i already find when accessing add-ons manager.  If someone doesn't find the same thing, i'm not sure what to say as it relates to that. thank you.

David, we all find the same thing. Now let me ask you a question.

If you needed to tell somebody else what all of your add-ons are, what are their versions, and whether each one is enabled or disabled: how would you do that?

How would you get all of that information to somebody else who was trying to help you?

Luke

 

Jean are you sure all the information will fit?  Especially, if there are many in the users list along with all necessary information, such as the version and author of the add on.

Dave


On 2/8/2023 4:40 AM, Gene wrote:

A possible correction:
I'm not sure if the screen review method will work properly.  I don't have many add-ons installed and I'm not sure if screen review will allow all add-ons to be copied to the clipboard if there are more.  I'm not sure if it will see all of them.  It may depend on whether they all fit on the screen when being viewed.

Gene

Gene

On 2/8/2023 3:35 AM, Gene wrote:

I just checked.  You can do this with screen review and the NVDA copy to clipboard function but the information isn't nearly as well organized as doing it the other way.

Gene

On 2/8/2023 3:28 AM, Gene via groups.io wrote:

For now, the only way to do it might be to use the NVDA copy to clipboard feature, move by object to each add-on, and copy the information that way.  It works, I just tried it.  Not very efficient but it can be done.  I'm giving this method in case people may want to use it but it doesn't detract from the need for such a feature as is being discussed.

Gene

On 2/8/2023 3:11 AM, Luke Davis wrote:

David Ingram wrote:

when i go in to add-ons manager, i do find the add-ons that i have and these add-ons beeing enabled.  That
is what i already find when accessing add-ons manager.  If someone doesn't find the same thing, i'm not sure what to say as it relates to that. thank you.

David, we all find the same thing. Now let me ask you a question.

If you needed to tell somebody else what all of your add-ons are, what are their versions, and whether each one is enabled or disabled: how would you do that?

How would you get all of that information to somebody else who was trying to help you?

Luke

Hi David:  With only 3 add on's how quickly can you send that list to someone else, especially if you are trying to be as efficient in doing so?

Dave


On 2/8/2023 5:57 AM, David Ingram wrote:

Hi just to confirm, to luke and all i did find that when i go to add-ons manager i did find where the add-ons are listed, as well as their version.  Since i only had three add-ons listed that is not a problem but maybe someone else has a point concerning when there is a long list of add-ons in the add-ons manager.
-----Original Message-----
From: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Feb 8, 2023 3:12 AM
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Add-Ons Manager: Generating a List of Installed Add-ons and their states #14613

David Ingram wrote:

when i go in to add-ons manager, i do find the add-ons that i have and these add-ons beeing enabled.  That
is what i already find when accessing add-ons manager.  If someone doesn't find the same thing, i'm not sure what to say as it relates to that. thank you.

David, we all find the same thing. Now let me ask you a question.

If you needed to tell somebody else what all of your add-ons are, what are their versions, and whether each one is enabled or disabled: how would you do that?

How would you get all of that information to somebody else who was trying to help you?

Luke

Hi just to confirm, to luke and all i did find that when i go to add-ons manager i did find where the add-ons are listed, as well as their version. Since i only had three add-ons listed that is not a problem but maybe someone else has a point concerning when there is a long list of add-ons in the add-ons manager.
-----Original Message-----
From: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Feb 8, 2023 3:12 AM
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Add-Ons Manager: Generating a List of Installed Add-ons and their states #14613

David Ingram wrote:

when i go in to add-ons manager, i do find the add-ons that i have and these add-ons beeing enabled. That
is what i already find when accessing add-ons manager. If someone doesn't find the same thing, i'm not sure what to say as it relates to that. thank you.

David, we all find the same thing. Now let me ask you a question.

If you needed to tell somebody else what all of your add-ons are, what are their versions, and whether each one is enabled or disabled: how would you do that?

How would you get all of that information to somebody else who was trying to help you?

Luke

A possible correction:
I'm not sure if the screen review method will work properly.  I don't have many add-ons installed and I'm not sure if screen review will allow all add-ons to be copied to the clipboard if there are more.  I'm not sure if it will see all of them.  It may depend on whether they all fit on the screen when being viewed.

Gene

Gene

On 2/8/2023 3:35 AM, Gene wrote:

I just checked.  You can do this with screen review and the NVDA copy to clipboard function but the information isn't nearly as well organized as doing it the other way.

Gene

On 2/8/2023 3:28 AM, Gene via groups.io wrote:

For now, the only way to do it might be to use the NVDA copy to clipboard feature, move by object to each add-on, and copy the information that way.  It works, I just tried it.  Not very efficient but it can be done.  I'm giving this method in case people may want to use it but it doesn't detract from the need for such a feature as is being discussed.

Gene

On 2/8/2023 3:11 AM, Luke Davis wrote:

David Ingram wrote:

when i go in to add-ons manager, i do find the add-ons that i have and these add-ons beeing enabled.  That
is what i already find when accessing add-ons manager.  If someone doesn't find the same thing, i'm not sure what to say as it relates to that. thank you.

David, we all find the same thing. Now let me ask you a question.

If you needed to tell somebody else what all of your add-ons are, what are their versions, and whether each one is enabled or disabled: how would you do that?

How would you get all of that information to somebody else who was trying to help you?

Luke

Hi all,

I think this partly comes from which email one is replying to. I suspect it began when Gene replied to a message that Brian V wrote (located at the bottom), in turn that message did quote my own message at the top. In some ways, it sounds like a repeat of a long gone thread and a resulting discussion many years ago (here or somewhere) about top versus bottom quoted posts and the confusion it generates.

Cheers,

Joseph

I didn't quote anything.  I said I agree with the comments about about screen-readers being work arounds.  Joseph made the comments and you agreed but I didn't have your message under mine. 

Gene

On 2/8/2023 10:02 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Wed, Feb 8, 2023 at 01:23 AM, Gene wrote:

I wasn't referring to your message.

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Then, for the love of heaven, Gene, don't quote it.  My message is the message that is quoted (bottom quoted) in your reply.

If you're replying to the email message that's pertinent, that's what should show up at the bottom.  The only reason I'm POed is because nothing you said has any strong ties to anything I said in the message quoted.  And your main thrust was, "that doesn't deal with the points I raised," about things I made no comments on at all.  That's confusing, to say the least.
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Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit

It is much easier to be critical than to be correct.

       ~ Benjamin Disraeli, 1804-1881

On Wed, Feb 8, 2023 at 01:23 AM, Gene wrote:

I wasn't referring to your message.

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Then, for the love of heaven, Gene, don't quote it.  My message is the message that is quoted (bottom quoted) in your reply.

If you're replying to the email message that's pertinent, that's what should show up at the bottom.  The only reason I'm POed is because nothing you said has any strong ties to anything I said in the message quoted.  And your main thrust was, "that doesn't deal with the points I raised," about things I made no comments on at all.  That's confusing, to say the least.
--

Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit

It is much easier to be critical than to be correct.

       ~ Benjamin Disraeli, 1804-1881

For now, the only way to do it might be to use the NVDA copy to
clipboard feature, move by object to each add-on, and copy the
information that way. It works, I just tried it. Not very efficient
but it can be done. I'm giving this method in case people may want to
use it but it doesn't detract from the need for such a feature as is
being discussed.

Gene

On 2/8/2023 3:11 AM, Luke Davis wrote:

David Ingram wrote:

when i go in to add-ons manager, i do find the add-ons that i have
and these add-ons beeing enabled. That is what i already find when
accessing add-ons manager. If someone doesn't find the same thing,
i'm not sure what to say as it relates to that. thank you.

David, we all find the same thing. Now let me ask you a question.

If you needed to tell somebody else what all of your add-ons are,
what are their versions, and whether each one is enabled or disabled:
how would you do that?

How would you get all of that information to somebody else who was
trying to help you?

Luke

The ways being discussed may help people but I want to state again that they don't diminish the need for a specific feature in Manage Add-ons. 

Gene

On 2/8/2023 5:23 AM, Rui Fontes wrote:

You simply activate the add-on, go to the add-on manager window and arrow down through the add-ons list...

When finished, deactivate the add-on and a text file is showed to you with all the information...


Best regards,

Rui Fontes
NVDA portuguese team

It is easier to accomplish that using the add-on NVDA Recorder...


Às 09:40 de 08/02/2023, Gene escreveu:

A possible correction:
I'm not sure if the screen review method will work properly.  I don't have many add-ons installed and I'm not sure if screen review will allow all add-ons to be copied to the clipboard if there are more.  I'm not sure if it will see all of them.  It may depend on whether they all fit on the screen when being viewed.

Gene

Gene

On 2/8/2023 3:35 AM, Gene wrote:

I just checked.  You can do this with screen review and the NVDA copy to clipboard function but the information isn't nearly as well organized as doing it the other way.

Gene

On 2/8/2023 3:28 AM, Gene via groups.io wrote:

For now, the only way to do it might be to use the NVDA copy to clipboard feature, move by object to each add-on, and copy the information that way.  It works, I just tried it.  Not very efficient but it can be done.  I'm giving this method in case people may want to use it but it doesn't detract from the need for such a feature as is being discussed.

Gene

On 2/8/2023 3:11 AM, Luke Davis wrote:

David Ingram wrote:

when i go in to add-ons manager, i do find the add-ons that i have and these add-ons beeing enabled.  That
is what i already find when accessing add-ons manager.  If someone doesn't find the same thing, i'm not sure what to say as it relates to that. thank you.

David, we all find the same thing. Now let me ask you a question.

If you needed to tell somebody else what all of your add-ons are, what are their versions, and whether each one is enabled or disabled: how would you do that?

How would you get all of that information to somebody else who was trying to help you?

Luke

You simply activate the add-on, go to the add-on manager window and arrow down through the add-ons list...

When finished, deactivate the add-on and a text file is showed to you with all the information...


Best regards,

Rui Fontes
NVDA portuguese team

It is easier to accomplish that using the add-on NVDA Recorder...


Às 09:40 de 08/02/2023, Gene escreveu:

A possible correction:
I'm not sure if the screen review method will work properly.  I don't have many add-ons installed and I'm not sure if screen review will allow all add-ons to be copied to the clipboard if there are more.  I'm not sure if it will see all of them.  It may depend on whether they all fit on the screen when being viewed.

Gene

Gene

On 2/8/2023 3:35 AM, Gene wrote:

I just checked.  You can do this with screen review and the NVDA copy to clipboard function but the information isn't nearly as well organized as doing it the other way.

Gene

On 2/8/2023 3:28 AM, Gene via groups.io wrote:

For now, the only way to do it might be to use the NVDA copy to clipboard feature, move by object to each add-on, and copy the information that way.  It works, I just tried it.  Not very efficient but it can be done.  I'm giving this method in case people may want to use it but it doesn't detract from the need for such a feature as is being discussed.

Gene

On 2/8/2023 3:11 AM, Luke Davis wrote:

David Ingram wrote:

when i go in to add-ons manager, i do find the add-ons that i have and these add-ons beeing enabled.  That
is what i already find when accessing add-ons manager.  If someone doesn't find the same thing, i'm not sure what to say as it relates to that. thank you.

David, we all find the same thing. Now let me ask you a question.

If you needed to tell somebody else what all of your add-ons are, what are their versions, and whether each one is enabled or disabled: how would you do that?

How would you get all of that information to somebody else who was trying to help you?

Luke

A possible correction:
I'm not sure if the screen review method will work properly.  I don't have many add-ons installed and I'm not sure if screen review will allow all add-ons to be copied to the clipboard if there are more.  I'm not sure if it will see all of them.  It may depend on whether they all fit on the screen when being viewed.

Gene

Gene

On 2/8/2023 3:35 AM, Gene wrote:

I just checked.  You can do this with screen review and the NVDA copy to clipboard function but the information isn't nearly as well organized as doing it the other way.

Gene

On 2/8/2023 3:28 AM, Gene via groups.io wrote:

For now, the only way to do it might be to use the NVDA copy to clipboard feature, move by object to each add-on, and copy the information that way.  It works, I just tried it.  Not very efficient but it can be done.  I'm giving this method in case people may want to use it but it doesn't detract from the need for such a feature as is being discussed.

Gene

On 2/8/2023 3:11 AM, Luke Davis wrote:

David Ingram wrote:

when i go in to add-ons manager, i do find the add-ons that i have and these add-ons beeing enabled.  That
is what i already find when accessing add-ons manager.  If someone doesn't find the same thing, i'm not sure what to say as it relates to that. thank you.

David, we all find the same thing. Now let me ask you a question.

If you needed to tell somebody else what all of your add-ons are, what are their versions, and whether each one is enabled or disabled: how would you do that?

How would you get all of that information to somebody else who was trying to help you?

Luke

Hi David,

No, that's not what is being asked (sorry). What is being asked is a feature to copy all this information to somewhere in one sweep so someone diagnosing a potential issue with add-ons can offer further support towards resolving issues.

Cheers,

Joseph

when i go in to add-ons manager, i do find the add-ons that i have and these add-ons beeing enabled. That
is what i already find when accessing add-ons manager. If someone doesn't find the same thing, i'm not sure what to say as it relates to that. thank you.