a couple questions sparked by recent topics


Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@...>
 

Hi all,
Two questions, both having been sparked by recent topics:
1. What's the difference between Windows One Core voices and Sapi5
voices? It seems I have the same voices with both systems, with the
addition to One Core of Mark.
2. I'm not sure I understand the speech and beeps setting that NVDA+S
toggles to? What's the difference between that and the beeps you get
with a progress bar?
Thanks,
Bob


Sarah k Alawami
 

For your second question the beeps mode only beeps when the screen changes. It won't talk.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Cavanaugh
Sent: Monday, May 3, 2021 5:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] a couple questions sparked by recent topics

Hi all,
Two questions, both having been sparked by recent topics:
1. What's the difference between Windows One Core voices and Sapi5 voices? It seems I have the same voices with both systems, with the addition to One Core of Mark.
2. I'm not sure I understand the speech and beeps setting that NVDA+S toggles to? What's the difference between that and the beeps you get with a progress bar?
Thanks,
Bob


Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Bob,

1) Windows OneCore Voices are higher quality and more responsive than SAPI5, and are the ones actively being worked on by Microsoft.  SAPI5 is an older standard which is still widely used so you may find some third party software (such as Balabolka for instance) which can use SAPI 5 voices, but not OneCore voices.

2) Speech and beeps is mostly used by people leaving the computer to perform a long task, who want to hear when it is finished, but don't want to hear it talking all the time.  If you don't have a need for this mode, there is a NoBeepsSpeechMode add-on which disables it: https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/noBeepsSpeechMode.en.html

Quentin.

On Tue, May 4, 2021 at 10:36 AM Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@...> wrote:
Hi all,
Two questions, both having been sparked by recent topics:
1. What's the difference between Windows One Core voices and Sapi5
voices? It seems I have the same voices with both systems, with the
addition to One Core of Mark.
2. I'm not sure I understand the speech and beeps setting that NVDA+S
toggles to? What's the difference between that and the beeps you get
with a progress bar?
Thanks,
Bob







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Training and Support Manager


Luke Davis
 

Hi Bob

To your second question: the NVDA+s "beeps speech mode" option, replaces all speech with quiet, high-frequency beeps.

So any time your computer talks, or you try to read the screen, etc., you will get a short burst of beeps.

It is potentially useful when you want to know things are still happening on your computer, without hearing the details.
For example, if you are running an encoding process that prints unhelpful verbose messages to the screen. You want to know when it's finished, but you don't want to be distracted by the messages. Set to beeps speech mode, and you will get mostly unintrusive beeps instead.
When they stop, you know it's time to switch back to speech mode talk.

The progress bar beeps mode is just that: when a true progress bar is in a window, you can have the progress of that progress bar spoken in percentage, or emitted as beeps that get higher in pitch as the progress bar progresses.

And now, after typing that sentence, I feel the need to say: how much progress could a progress bar make, if a progress bar could make progress?

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Gene
 

I’m not sure if this is more than you are asking.  My understanding is that One Core voices aren’t SAPI.  MSAPI, I believe that stands for Microsoft Speech Application program interface, is a standard that anyone can use to make compatible synthesizers for Windows.  I don’t know what MSAPI voices Microsoft may have but there are a lot of companies and developers who have developed MSAPI voices.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2021 7:35 PM
Subject: [nvda] a couple questions sparked by recent topics
 
Hi all,
Two questions, both having been sparked by recent topics:
1. What's the difference between Windows One Core voices and Sapi5
voices? It seems I have the same voices with both systems, with the
addition to One Core of Mark.
2. I'm not sure I understand the speech and beeps setting that NVDA+S
toggles to? What's the difference between that and the beeps you get
with a progress bar?
Thanks,
Bob





 

Not sure why you would use beeps as such either.

Onecore is the new way windows does its voices, I think its the same stuff as cortana.


With the right voices and a few extras you can get extra access to some of those though sapi is the prefered platform.

Maybe there are slight quality improvements but its slight.

On 4/05/2021 12:35 pm, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:
Hi all,
Two questions, both having been sparked by recent topics:
1. What's the difference between Windows One Core voices and Sapi5
voices? It seems I have the same voices with both systems, with the
addition to One Core of Mark.
2. I'm not sure I understand the speech and beeps setting that NVDA+S
toggles to? What's the difference between that and the beeps you get
with a progress bar?
Thanks,
Bob




.


Sarah k Alawami
 

I use beeps mode when I need to read stuff on the screen that I don't need speech for. One ATC program takes about an hour to install, and all that shows up is a mess of cmd like prompts so I turn off speech and set it to beeps and just listen to the screen and eat lunch or what ever I'm doing. The high pitched beep tells me that something is happening but I don't need to deal with it right now.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Tuesday, May 4, 2021 12:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] a couple questions sparked by recent topics

Not sure why you would use beeps as such either.

Onecore is the new way windows does its voices, I think its the same stuff as cortana.


With the right voices and a few extras you can get extra access to some
of those though sapi is the prefered platform.

Maybe there are slight quality improvements but its slight.



On 4/05/2021 12:35 pm, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:
Hi all,
Two questions, both having been sparked by recent topics:
1. What's the difference between Windows One Core voices and Sapi5
voices? It seems I have the same voices with both systems, with the
addition to One Core of Mark.
2. I'm not sure I understand the speech and beeps setting that NVDA+S
toggles to? What's the difference between that and the beeps you get
with a progress bar?
Thanks,
Bob





.


 

hi quentin.
about microsoft onecore voices,
is it possible that we can install them on any version of windows as exe?
also, does it still need changing the registry?
or does it need downloading these voices,
or its installed in all versions of windows ten by default?

On 5/4/21, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:
Hi Bob,

1) Windows OneCore Voices are higher quality and more responsive than
SAPI5, and are the ones actively being worked on by Microsoft. SAPI5 is an
older standard which is still widely used so you may find some third party
software (such as Balabolka for instance) which can use SAPI 5 voices, but
not OneCore voices.

2) Speech and beeps is mostly used by people leaving the computer to
perform a long task, who want to hear when it is finished, but don't want
to hear it talking all the time. If you don't have a need for this mode,
there is a NoBeepsSpeechMode add-on which disables it:
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/noBeepsSpeechMode.en.html

Quentin.

On Tue, May 4, 2021 at 10:36 AM Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi all,
Two questions, both having been sparked by recent topics:
1. What's the difference between Windows One Core voices and Sapi5
voices? It seems I have the same voices with both systems, with the
addition to One Core of Mark.
2. I'm not sure I understand the speech and beeps setting that NVDA+S
toggles to? What's the difference between that and the beeps you get
with a progress bar?
Thanks,
Bob





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Hi,
You cannot install OneCore voices on versions other than Windows 10.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Thursday, May 6, 2021 11:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] a couple questions sparked by recent topics

hi quentin.
about microsoft onecore voices,
is it possible that we can install them on any version of windows as exe?
also, does it still need changing the registry?
or does it need downloading these voices, or its installed in all versions of windows ten by default?

On 5/4/21, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:
Hi Bob,

1) Windows OneCore Voices are higher quality and more responsive than
SAPI5, and are the ones actively being worked on by Microsoft. SAPI5
is an older standard which is still widely used so you may find some
third party software (such as Balabolka for instance) which can use
SAPI 5 voices, but not OneCore voices.

2) Speech and beeps is mostly used by people leaving the computer to
perform a long task, who want to hear when it is finished, but don't
want to hear it talking all the time. If you don't have a need for
this mode, there is a NoBeepsSpeechMode add-on which disables it:
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/noBeepsSpeechMode.en.html

Quentin.

On Tue, May 4, 2021 at 10:36 AM Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi all,
Two questions, both having been sparked by recent topics:
1. What's the difference between Windows One Core voices and Sapi5
voices? It seems I have the same voices with both systems, with the
addition to One Core of Mark.
2. I'm not sure I understand the speech and beeps setting that NVDA+S
toggles to? What's the difference between that and the beeps you get
with a progress bar?
Thanks,
Bob





--
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Training and Support Manager

Web: www.nvaccess.org
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Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
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were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


 

hi.
whats the extension of installer files for onecore voices?
are they msi or exe or just they are universal windows platform like
microsoft store?

On 5/7/21, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
You cannot install OneCore voices on versions other than Windows 10.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Thursday, May 6, 2021 11:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] a couple questions sparked by recent topics

hi quentin.
about microsoft onecore voices,
is it possible that we can install them on any version of windows as exe?
also, does it still need changing the registry?
or does it need downloading these voices, or its installed in all versions
of windows ten by default?

On 5/4/21, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:
Hi Bob,

1) Windows OneCore Voices are higher quality and more responsive than
SAPI5, and are the ones actively being worked on by Microsoft. SAPI5
is an older standard which is still widely used so you may find some
third party software (such as Balabolka for instance) which can use
SAPI 5 voices, but not OneCore voices.

2) Speech and beeps is mostly used by people leaving the computer to
perform a long task, who want to hear when it is finished, but don't
want to hear it talking all the time. If you don't have a need for
this mode, there is a NoBeepsSpeechMode add-on which disables it:
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/noBeepsSpeechMode.en.html

Quentin.

On Tue, May 4, 2021 at 10:36 AM Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hi all,
Two questions, both having been sparked by recent topics:
1. What's the difference between Windows One Core voices and Sapi5
voices? It seems I have the same voices with both systems, with the
addition to One Core of Mark.
2. I'm not sure I understand the speech and beeps setting that NVDA+S
toggles to? What's the difference between that and the beeps you get
with a progress bar?
Thanks,
Bob





--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Web: www.nvaccess.org
Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>






--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali










--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


 

Hi,
I have no idea, as they are sort of tied to language packs and speech languages.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Friday, May 7, 2021 1:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] a couple questions sparked by recent topics

hi.
whats the extension of installer files for onecore voices?
are they msi or exe or just they are universal windows platform like microsoft store?

On 5/7/21, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
You cannot install OneCore voices on versions other than Windows 10.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Thursday, May 6, 2021 11:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] a couple questions sparked by recent topics

hi quentin.
about microsoft onecore voices,
is it possible that we can install them on any version of windows as exe?
also, does it still need changing the registry?
or does it need downloading these voices, or its installed in all
versions of windows ten by default?

On 5/4/21, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:
Hi Bob,

1) Windows OneCore Voices are higher quality and more responsive than
SAPI5, and are the ones actively being worked on by Microsoft. SAPI5
is an older standard which is still widely used so you may find some
third party software (such as Balabolka for instance) which can use
SAPI 5 voices, but not OneCore voices.

2) Speech and beeps is mostly used by people leaving the computer to
perform a long task, who want to hear when it is finished, but don't
want to hear it talking all the time. If you don't have a need for
this mode, there is a NoBeepsSpeechMode add-on which disables it:
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/noBeepsSpeechMode.en.html

Quentin.

On Tue, May 4, 2021 at 10:36 AM Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hi all,
Two questions, both having been sparked by recent topics:
1. What's the difference between Windows One Core voices and Sapi5
voices? It seems I have the same voices with both systems, with the
addition to One Core of Mark.
2. I'm not sure I understand the speech and beeps setting that
NVDA+S toggles to? What's the difference between that and the beeps
you get with a progress bar?
Thanks,
Bob





--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Web: www.nvaccess.org
Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>






--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali











--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Steve Nutt
 

Yep, you can only install them by downloading a language pack in Windows.

All the best

Steve

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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: 07 May 2021 09:18
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] a couple questions sparked by recent topics

Hi,
I have no idea, as they are sort of tied to language packs and speech languages.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Friday, May 7, 2021 1:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] a couple questions sparked by recent topics

hi.
whats the extension of installer files for onecore voices?
are they msi or exe or just they are universal windows platform like microsoft store?

On 5/7/21, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
You cannot install OneCore voices on versions other than Windows 10.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Thursday, May 6, 2021 11:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] a couple questions sparked by recent topics

hi quentin.
about microsoft onecore voices,
is it possible that we can install them on any version of windows as exe?
also, does it still need changing the registry?
or does it need downloading these voices, or its installed in all
versions of windows ten by default?

On 5/4/21, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:
Hi Bob,

1) Windows OneCore Voices are higher quality and more responsive than
SAPI5, and are the ones actively being worked on by Microsoft. SAPI5
is an older standard which is still widely used so you may find some
third party software (such as Balabolka for instance) which can use
SAPI 5 voices, but not OneCore voices.

2) Speech and beeps is mostly used by people leaving the computer to
perform a long task, who want to hear when it is finished, but don't
want to hear it talking all the time. If you don't have a need for
this mode, there is a NoBeepsSpeechMode add-on which disables it:
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/noBeepsSpeechMode.en.html

Quentin.

On Tue, May 4, 2021 at 10:36 AM Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hi all,
Two questions, both having been sparked by recent topics:
1. What's the difference between Windows One Core voices and Sapi5
voices? It seems I have the same voices with both systems, with the
addition to One Core of Mark.
2. I'm not sure I understand the speech and beeps setting that
NVDA+S toggles to? What's the difference between that and the beeps
you get with a progress bar?
Thanks,
Bob





--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Web: www.nvaccess.org
Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>






--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali











--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Louise Pfau
 

Hi. There are a couple programs I use that only have access to SAPI voices, although the OneCore voices are more responsive. I've noticed that there are only 2 SAPI voices installed on Windows 10. Is it possible to get some of the OneCore voices in SAPI? I've got a couple of the OneCore voices that I really like. I know how to get additional OneCore voices. Is it possible to get more SAPI voices in the same way?

Thanks,

Louise


 

Hi,
You can install more SAPI5 voices, but you can't fool programs into thinking that OneCore voices are SAPI5 voices because they use different API's.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Louise Pfau
Sent: Friday, May 7, 2021 1:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] a couple questions sparked by recent topics

Hi. There are a couple programs I use that only have access to SAPI voices, although the OneCore voices are more responsive. I've noticed that there are only 2 SAPI voices installed on Windows 10. Is it possible to get some of the OneCore voices in SAPI? I've got a couple of the OneCore voices that I really like. I know how to get additional OneCore voices. Is it possible to get more SAPI voices in the same way?

Thanks,

Louise


Louise Pfau
 

Ok. Is it possible to get more SAPI voices through Windows settings? I think there are only 2 that come with Windows 10 by default.

Thanks,

Louise


 

Hi,
You must install SAPI5 voices from somewhere other than Settings, the best example being a SAPI5 version of eSpeak NG that you must obtain and install (that product is free, by the way).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Louise Pfau
Sent: Friday, May 7, 2021 2:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] a couple questions sparked by recent topics

Ok. Is it possible to get more SAPI voices through Windows settings? I think there are only 2 that come with Windows 10 by default.

Thanks,

Louise


Louise Pfau
 

Hi. I was thinking of getting more SAPI voices like the ones that come with Windows 10 by default. I think they are Microsoft David and Microsoft Zira. Are there others in the same category?

Thanks,

Louise


Monte Single
 

Hi Louise,

I think the voices you mentioned are Micro Soft One Core voices that come with win10.
Sapi5 voices come with earlier versions of windows or can be downloaded and used with win 10.
The second voice you mentioned, Zira, is actually spelled z a r a, Zara.
That is the voice I use with nvda on this win10 p c.

Others on this listmay tell you where to find other one core voices or other sapi5 voices.

Cheers,

Monte

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Louise Pfau
Sent: May 8, 2021 6:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] a couple questions sparked by recent topics

Hi. I was thinking of getting more SAPI voices like the ones that come with Windows 10 by default. I think they are Microsoft David and Microsoft Zira.
Are there others in the same category?

Thanks,

Louise


Luke Davis
 

Monte Single wrote:

I think the voices you mentioned are Micro Soft One Core voices that come with win10.
Sorry Monte, but they are SAPI5 voices that come with Win 10.
You can confirm this by pressing NVDA+Control+s, changing your synth to SAPI5, and pressing OK.
Then pressing NVDA+control+v, and going through the voices that are listed.

I believe this was originally an install of Windows 10, 1809, and I certainly never chose to download any SAPI voices.

The second voice you mentioned, Zira, is actually spelled z a r a, Zara.
I'm sorry again, but no, it isn't. If you spell the word as it appears in NVDA's voice list when set to SAPI5, you will find that it is Zira, Z i r a, as Louise mentioned.

Luke


Louise Pfau
 

There are also SAPI 5 versions of "Microsoft david" and "Microsoft Zira (spelled Z I R A on my computer)" available by default on Windows 10. I wonder if other "Windows OneCore voices" like "Microsoft Richard" and "Microsoft Mark " are also available in SAPI 5 format.

Thanks,

Louise