a couple questions sparked by recent topics


 

Hi,
OneCore voices' lineage can be sort of traced to now discontinued Windows 10
Mobile, as the mobile voices are really meant for smartphones and used more
modern API called Windows Runtime, nowadays part of Universal Windows
Platform (UWP). Believe it or not, because UWP is a different API,
developers must write code that will interface with it, including ones used
to interact with OneCore voices. There is a special version of C++ called
C++/CX (extensions) that was specifically designed to let C++ modules such
as ones that come with NVDA to use UWP, but that's slowly changing (in fact,
NVDA's OneCore voices support is divided into two parts: the usual
Python-based synthesizer driver, and a C++ component used to talk to Windows
10 API's and features via C++/CX).
Recently a code contributor (not I) was researching regular C++ projections
for UWP (a projection is a set of components used to let programmers
familiar with various languages to talk to a specific API) called C++/WinRT
that will allow any C++ programmer familiar with recent C++ standard to use
UWP without using proprietary extensions or a programming language. The
biggest advantage for NVDA project is making C++-based contributions
significantly easier, as anyone wishing to support Windows 10 features
through UWP can now just use C++ that they have known - all that is needed
is a more recent Windows 10 SDK and a header file. In context of this
thread, this means OneCore voices and their features support can be coded in
familiar C++ (I guess this gives me a motivation to revisit my own C++ notes
from a decade ago...).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Luke Davis
Sent: Saturday, May 8, 2021 5:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] a couple questions sparked by recent topics

Monte Single wrote:

I think the voices you mentioned are Micro Soft One Core voices that come
with win10.

Sorry Monte, but they are SAPI5 voices that come with Win 10.
You can confirm this by pressing NVDA+Control+s, changing your synth to
SAPI5, and pressing OK.
Then pressing NVDA+control+v, and going through the voices that are listed.

I believe this was originally an install of Windows 10, 1809, and I
certainly never chose to download any SAPI voices.

The second voice you mentioned, Zira, is actually spelled z a r a, Zara.
I'm sorry again, but no, it isn't. If you spell the word as it appears in
NVDA's voice list when set to SAPI5, you will find that it is Zira, Z i r a,
as Louise mentioned.

Luke


 

Hi,
Highly unlikely, as SAPI5 voices for Windows depend on the user interface language. By the way, Microsoft David has been a part of SAPI5 engine since Windows 8.0.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Louise Pfau
Sent: Saturday, May 8, 2021 6:21 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] a couple questions sparked by recent topics

There are also SAPI 5 versions of "Microsoft david" and "Microsoft Zira (spelled Z I R A on my computer)" available by default on Windows 10. I wonder if other "Windows OneCore voices" like "Microsoft Richard" and "Microsoft Mark " are also available in SAPI 5 format.

Thanks,

Louise


Louise Pfau
 

I don't know the originally-installed build number of Windows 10 on this computer, because I didn't know how to access "Winver" at the time. The computer has had many updates since then.

Thanks,

Louise


Louise Pfau
 

Rats. I like the quality of the Microsoft voices. I want to get a few more of them in SAPI format if that's possible. I know that "Windows OneCore" isn't the same thing.

Thanks,

Louise


Martin Courcelles
 

Actually those voices are available. You'll have to install the English Canadian pack to get it though.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: May 8, 2021 9:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] a couple questions sparked by recent topics

Hi,
Highly unlikely, as SAPI5 voices for Windows depend on the user interface language. By the way, Microsoft David has been a part of SAPI5 engine since Windows 8.0.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Louise Pfau
Sent: Saturday, May 8, 2021 6:21 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] a couple questions sparked by recent topics

There are also SAPI 5 versions of "Microsoft david" and "Microsoft Zira (spelled Z I R A on my computer)" available by default on Windows 10. I wonder if other "Windows OneCore voices" like "Microsoft Richard" and "Microsoft Mark " are also available in SAPI 5 format.

Thanks,

Louise


Monte Single
 

Ha, ha, Luke,

That's pretty good, I'm wrong two out of two.
I thought nvda used one core voices by default in win10.
That's alright, I like one core zara and I guess I could choose a spai5
voice for a particular profile.

Cheers,

Monte

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Luke Davis
Sent: May 8, 2021 6:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] a couple questions sparked by recent topics

Monte Single wrote:

I think the voices you mentioned are Micro Soft One Core voices that come
with win10.

Sorry Monte, but they are SAPI5 voices that come with Win 10.
You can confirm this by pressing NVDA+Control+s, changing your synth to
SAPI5, and pressing OK.
Then pressing NVDA+control+v, and going through the voices that are listed.

I believe this was originally an install of Windows 10, 1809, and I
certainly never chose to download any SAPI voices.

The second voice you mentioned, Zira, is actually spelled z a r a, Zara.
I'm sorry again, but no, it isn't. If you spell the word as it appears in
NVDA's voice list when set to SAPI5, you will find that it is Zira, Z i r a,
as Louise mentioned.

Luke


Gene
 

As far as I know, One Core voices are the default in Windows 10.  But you can switch to Microsoft MSAPI 5 voices as I understand it, which are available and I think at least a small number are provided as a part of Windows 10 as installed. 
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2021 10:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] a couple questions sparked by recent topics
 
Ha, ha, Luke,

That's pretty good,  I'm wrong two out of two.
I thought nvda used  one core voices by default in win10.
That's alright,  I like one core zara  and I guess I could choose a spai5
voice for  a particular profile.

Cheers,

Monte
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Luke Davis
Sent: May 8, 2021 6:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] a couple questions sparked by recent topics

Monte Single wrote:

> I think the voices you mentioned are Micro Soft One Core voices that come
with win10.

Sorry Monte, but they are SAPI5 voices that come with Win 10.
You can confirm this by pressing NVDA+Control+s, changing your synth to
SAPI5, and pressing OK.
Then pressing NVDA+control+v, and going through the voices that are listed.

I believe this was originally an install of Windows 10, 1809, and I
certainly never chose to download any SAPI voices.

> The second voice you mentioned, Zira, is actually spelled z a r a, Zara.

I'm sorry again, but no, it isn't. If you spell the word as it appears in
NVDA's voice list when set to SAPI5, you will find that it is Zira, Z i r a,
as Louise mentioned.

Luke











hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


I do not know what format speech platform voices are. I thought they were sapi 5 but does not say.


I do have a complete package of them with other languages in a zip format. but is about 400 meg.


They if i remember right have also the modern RH voices as well. You will need a program like winrar or winzip to open then install from.


The link to this drop box account is https://www.dropbox.com/s/9kh3aip9atldlho/synth%20packages.zip?dl=1 <https://www.dropbox.com/s/9kh3aip9atldlho/synth%20packages.zip?dl=1>


for the speech platform voices the runtime file must be installed first all the rest are voices.


Gene nz

On 9/05/2021 1:28 pm, Louise Pfau wrote:
Rats.  I like the quality of the Microsoft voices.  I want to get a few more of them in SAPI format if that's possible.  I know that "Windows OneCore" isn't the same thing.

Thanks,

Louise




Luke Davis
 

Monte Single wrote:

I thought nvda used one core voices by default in win10.
You thought correctly, it does. But you can switch to SAPI5 if you have some reason to.

Luke


 

which voices i recieve if i download your zip folder?
thanks and God bless you!

On 5/9/21, hurrikennyandopo ... <hurrikennyandopo@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hi


I do not know what format speech platform voices are. I thought they
were sapi 5 but does not say.


I do have a complete package of them with other languages in a zip
format. but is about 400 meg.


They if i remember right have also the modern RH voices as well. You
will need a program like winrar or winzip to open then install from.


The link to this drop box account is
https://www.dropbox.com/s/9kh3aip9atldlho/synth%20packages.zip?dl=1
<https://www.dropbox.com/s/9kh3aip9atldlho/synth%20packages.zip?dl=1>


for the speech platform voices the runtime file must be installed first
all the rest are voices.


Gene nz


On 9/05/2021 1:28 pm, Louise Pfau wrote:
Rats. I like the quality of the Microsoft voices. I want to get a
few more of them in SAPI format if that's possible. I know that
"Windows OneCore" isn't the same thing.

Thanks,

Louise








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Steve Nutt
 

Louise, as has been said before, you can't get those voices in SAPI form, they are only available as OneCore.

All the best

Steve

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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Louise Pfau
Sent: 09 May 2021 01:22
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] a couple questions sparked by recent topics

Hi. I was thinking of getting more SAPI voices like the ones that come with Windows 10 by default. I think they are Microsoft David and Microsoft Zira.
Are there others in the same category?

Thanks,

Louise


Steve Nutt
 

Oh wow, you're right.

I don't know if others are available though.

All the best

Steve

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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Louise Pfau
Sent: 09 May 2021 02:21
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] a couple questions sparked by recent topics

There are also SAPI 5 versions of "Microsoft david" and "Microsoft Zira (spelled Z I R A on my computer)" available by default on Windows 10. I wonder if other "Windows OneCore voices" like "Microsoft Richard" and "Microsoft Mark " are also available in SAPI 5 format.

Thanks,

Louise