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Alternatives to Excel

Chris Mullins
 

Hi
A hard disk crash has seen off my copy of Excel 2007 so I'm looking
for an alternative amongst Open Office, Libra Office and Google. Are
there any NVDA users out there that could give me feedback regarding
the accessibility of these products and whether I could still access
my existing Excel format spreadsheets with any or all of them? Your
advice would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers
Chris

René Linke <rene.linke@...>
 

Hi,

LibreOffice is now very accessible because it is getting many updates in short time (improvements, security fixes, etc.).

René

cecropia64
 

hi:


open office is also a good alternative.  works very well and more or less replaces Microsoft Office. Doesn't have all the bells and whistles but if   you just want spread sheetts and documents, it works well.

On 1/15/2020 6:53 AM, René Linke wrote:
Hi,

LibreOffice is now very accessible because it is getting many updates in short time (improvements, security fixes, etc.).

René


 

Hmmm firstly do you still have your old excell licence key or office licence key at all?

Do you have your office cd at all?

You probably can get that back, however be aware that office 2007 I think is about to be out of support.

I have used libre office on a cloud system and its worked well enough.

You can always buy another office, either a so called recycled key from ebay and take the risk that its fake, get into the office home program if working in a company I think its called home use, or simply buy office.

Right now, I  think you still can buy office versions 2013 and up and while 2019 the latest is best they still update 2016 regularly.

The support and updates on 2013 that I have on another system are getting less but still it can be done.

There is office 365 to subscribe to if you are looking to that point and if you  run the office program in windows you can get it.

I havn't used openoffice extensively enough to know if it or libre will work for your needs or not.

I have used libre as part of a home solution and it does for the most part seem to work well.

Office online may be another option for you, I am not sure how well that works.

On 16/01/2020 12:43 am, Chris Mullins wrote:
Hi
A hard disk crash has seen off my copy of Excel 2007 so I'm looking
for an alternative amongst Open Office, Libra Office and Google. Are
there any NVDA users out there that could give me feedback regarding
the accessibility of these products and whether I could still access
my existing Excel format spreadsheets with any or all of them? Your
advice would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers
Chris


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René Linke <rene.linke@...>
 

Hi,

Just for your information:
LibreOffice was split from OpenOffice, but OpenOffice doesn't much work on security fixes and accessibility issues just in time. LibreOffice has more developers and its community is more active. So, if there is discvered new issues, it takes a few days to fix them. In OpenOffice you never know when ever they will fix it. It can take several months until updates will be throwing out.

René

Luke Davis
 

I used Open Office Calc (their version of Excel) for years with quite a bit of success with NVDA.

People say that LibreOffice is better now, and I can not comment on that since I haven't used it, but OOo was fine for my spreadsheet needs for a very long time.
I never had problems opening spreadsheets from other sources.

Without knowing more about how you use spreadsheets, it's hard to say whether what you want to do can be done accessibly, but the nice thing is that their both free, so you can play with each.

Because I needed better word processing, I bought a recycled office 2019 key early last year for around $25, but if spreadsheets were my only concern, I would have remained with OpenOffice.

Luke

On Wed, 15 Jan 2020, Chris Mullins wrote:

Hi
A hard disk crash has seen off my copy of Excel 2007 so I'm looking
for an alternative amongst Open Office, Libra Office and Google. Are
there any NVDA users out there that could give me feedback regarding
the accessibility of these products and whether I could still access
my existing Excel format spreadsheets with any or all of them? Your
advice would be greatly appreciated.

David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...>
 

I agree with your comments regarding LibreOffice. OpenOffice Calc may be
a good alternative and if people find that it's doing what they need
they should certainly continue to use it. However, LibreOffice receives
many more updates with bug fixes and feature additions. If there's ever
a chance for accessibility in Calc and Writer to be improved we're
likely to see that happening in LibreOffice before OpenOffice.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 1/15/2020 6:53 AM, René Linke wrote:
Hi,

LibreOffice is now very accessible because it is getting many updates
in short time (improvements, security fixes, etc.).

René



Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

David,

I have LibreOffice 5.1 and, following the discussions in this thread, I opened up an existing Excel worksheet in Calc but I found that NVDA could not find any cells in the open worksheet. Can you advise what steps I should take to get Calc going correctly with NVDA?

All the best,

Cearbhall

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Friday, January 17, 2020 2:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Alternatives to Excel

I agree with your comments regarding LibreOffice. OpenOffice Calc may be a good alternative and if people find that it's doing what they need they should certainly continue to use it. However, LibreOffice receives many more updates with bug fixes and feature additions. If there's ever a chance for accessibility in Calc and Writer to be improved we're likely to see that happening in LibreOffice before OpenOffice.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 1/15/2020 6:53 AM, René Linke wrote:
Hi,

LibreOffice is now very accessible because it is getting many updates
in short time (improvements, security fixes, etc.).

René



David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...>
 

Hi, Cearbhall.

Bear in mind that I'm not a regular user of Calc.
First, it's important to go into NVDA's document settings and ensure
that the option for cell coordinates is checked. This is also true for
Excel and it ensures that NVDA reads the cell coordinates, such as B1,
C2, etc.

In the past I remember having to occasionally move focus away from and
then back to the spreadsheet. I usually did this by pressing the alt key
twice.

Finally, I think that LibreOffice is now up to version 6.3 and so it
might be worth installing that version to see if performance improves.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 1/17/2020 5:35 AM, Cearbhall O'Meadhra wrote:
David,

I have LibreOffice 5.1 and, following the discussions in this thread, I opened up an existing Excel worksheet in Calc but I found that NVDA could not find any cells in the open worksheet. Can you advise what steps I should take to get Calc going correctly with NVDA?

All the best,

Cearbhall

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Friday, January 17, 2020 2:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Alternatives to Excel

I agree with your comments regarding LibreOffice. OpenOffice Calc may be a good alternative and if people find that it's doing what they need they should certainly continue to use it. However, LibreOffice receives many more updates with bug fixes and feature additions. If there's ever a chance for accessibility in Calc and Writer to be improved we're likely to see that happening in LibreOffice before OpenOffice.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist JAWS Certified, 2019

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On 1/15/2020 6:53 AM, René Linke wrote:
Hi,

LibreOffice is now very accessible because it is getting many updates
in short time (improvements, security fixes, etc.).

René







Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

David,

Thanks for your support! I discovered that the cell co-oridnates option was off in my NVDA settings under document presentation.

Silly me!

All the best,

Cearbhall

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Friday, January 17, 2020 10:42 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Alternatives to Excel

Hi, Cearbhall.

Bear in mind that I'm not a regular user of Calc.
First, it's important to go into NVDA's document settings and ensure that the option for cell coordinates is checked. This is also true for Excel and it ensures that NVDA reads the cell coordinates, such as B1, C2, etc.

In the past I remember having to occasionally move focus away from and then back to the spreadsheet. I usually did this by pressing the alt key twice.

Finally, I think that LibreOffice is now up to version 6.3 and so it might be worth installing that version to see if performance improves.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 1/17/2020 5:35 AM, Cearbhall O'Meadhra wrote:
David,

I have LibreOffice 5.1 and, following the discussions in this thread, I opened up an existing Excel worksheet in Calc but I found that NVDA could not find any cells in the open worksheet. Can you advise what steps I should take to get Calc going correctly with NVDA?

All the best,

Cearbhall

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e:
cearbhall.omeadhra@...


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David
Goldfield
Sent: Friday, January 17, 2020 2:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Alternatives to Excel

I agree with your comments regarding LibreOffice. OpenOffice Calc may be a good alternative and if people find that it's doing what they need they should certainly continue to use it. However, LibreOffice receives many more updates with bug fixes and feature additions. If there's ever a chance for accessibility in Calc and Writer to be improved we're likely to see that happening in LibreOffice before OpenOffice.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist JAWS Certified, 2019

https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=WWW.DavidGoldfield
.org&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C678ed4e4aef945d8bccd08d79b3908c9%7C84df9e7f
e9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637148541565198991&amp;sdata=DsDbJH
ocJ5DIFCuld%2FG%2Fs%2Bq7YLYm0mmKjAG5HRH9SjQ%3D&amp;reserved=0

On 1/15/2020 6:53 AM, René Linke wrote:
Hi,

LibreOffice is now very accessible because it is getting many updates
in short time (improvements, security fixes, etc.).

René







 

hi.
for navigating in spreadsheets, sometimes you need to press f2 and
then scape that you can navigate properly by using keyboard.

On 1/17/20, Cearbhall O'Meadhra <cearbhall.omeadhra@...> wrote:
David,

I have LibreOffice 5.1 and, following the discussions in this thread, I
opened up an existing Excel worksheet in Calc but I found that NVDA could
not find any cells in the open worksheet. Can you advise what steps I should
take to get Calc going correctly with NVDA?

All the best,

Cearbhall

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David
Goldfield
Sent: Friday, January 17, 2020 2:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Alternatives to Excel

I agree with your comments regarding LibreOffice. OpenOffice Calc may be a
good alternative and if people find that it's doing what they need they
should certainly continue to use it. However, LibreOffice receives many more
updates with bug fixes and feature additions. If there's ever a chance for
accessibility in Calc and Writer to be improved we're likely to see that
happening in LibreOffice before OpenOffice.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 1/15/2020 6:53 AM, René Linke wrote:
Hi,

LibreOffice is now very accessible because it is getting many updates
in short time (improvements, security fixes, etc.).

René









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