Can anyone explain the Input Composition checkboxes in NVDA settings?
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That's pretty much it. There are scads of NVDA settings that I do not really understand, for which I am unaware of specific documentation to read, and where the descriptions at the controls themselves don't help me to understand what they mean at all and what the potential ramification(s) is (are) of checking or unchecking any one of them.
-- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white. ~ Kelley Boorn
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Jackie
Hello, Brian V. This is a setting in NVDA which assists w/the reading
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of Asian languages. You can find out a little more about it in the NVDA user guide in section 12.1.13. HTH?
On 11/6/20, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
That's pretty much it. There are scads of NVDA settings that I do not --
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Hi, I know that user guide can be a bit vague on this, but based on discussion I had with NV Access people back in 2012 when these settings first made their appearance and experiences from Chinese, Japanese, and Korean speakers (I speak Korean; now you know half of the story): These settings control how NVDA reacts to input method editor (IME) interfaces. Certain languages ship with IME’s, and because the well-known languages where IME is frequently encountered (Chinese, Japanese, Korean, collectively called CJK) provide different input experiences (candidates window for Chinese and Japanese, standard QWERTY-style input for Hangul/Korean), Windows will present different input experiences, and thus NVDA must respond differently. Visually, these languages are pictorial characters, and when you type in these languages, a square “composition” window will be used to complete each character/shape. How NVDA can announce these characters is beyond the scope of this thread. The input composition settings panel consist of:
Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, November 6, 2020 3:39 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] Can anyone explain the Input Composition checkboxes in NVDA settings?
That's pretty much it. There are scads of NVDA settings that I do not really understand, for which I am unaware of specific documentation to read, and where the descriptions at the controls themselves don't help me to understand what they mean at all and what the potential ramification(s) is (are) of checking or unchecking any one of them. Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white. ~ Kelley Boorn
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Jackie,
Thanks much. This is another instance where I cannot fathom why that settings pane does not state, directly, that these settings apply to the input of Asian character sets. Had that been a part of the pane I wouldn't have even asked the question. This is the sort of thing that needs to be a part of that particular pane, telling you what the collection of settings is about. Then, if necessary for those who would be tweaking these, something about what doing so would do, if that wouldn't already be obvious to someone who would be tweaking those settings. They're all "not obvious" to me, but I had no idea they applied to Asian character sets only, either. Much as I love NVDA, and I do, there are some serious improvements that can be made to the actual settings hierarchy itself as far as what is stated on various panes for the settings collectively as well as the individual settings and the creation of a search mechanism (which I realize is a non-trivial ask) for the entire settings hierarchy. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white. ~ Kelley Boorn
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Joseph,
You were typing as I was typing. First, thanks for that incredibly detailed, yet concise, explanation. Second, that detailed information on each one of the checkboxes could easily be condensed into a "what's the function, and when" blurb for each checkbox. There's plenty of screen real estate that's unused on that pane that could be productively used for just the sort of info you've provided. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white. ~ Kelley Boorn
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Hi, As much as IME’s are associated with Asian languages, it is used in other languages, hence a bit hard to say that it only applies to Asian language input (perhaps an explanation could state that it is a useful feature for people typing or working with Asian languages). Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, November 6, 2020 4:09 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Can anyone explain the Input Composition checkboxes in NVDA settings?
Jackie, Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white. ~ Kelley Boorn
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On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 07:13 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
As much as IME’s are associated with Asian languages, it is used in other languages- These settings relate to Asian languages and other languages that use IMEs as part of their input. Easy. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white. ~ Kelley Boorn
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Hi, I think we could possibly do that as a tool tip, although it is somewhat mitigated in recent NVDA alpha snapshots where a form of context-sensitive help was added to NVDA interface controls (at the moment if you press F1 from NVDA settings controls, the relevant section from the user guide will open). The next step would be generalizing this initial version of context-sensitive help to other places, but that will involve reimagining the current approach as well. For a practical demonstration of input composition settings, take a look at Welcome to NVDA tutorial set, which can be found at: https://www.josephsl.net/tutorials Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, November 6, 2020 4:13 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Can anyone explain the Input Composition checkboxes in NVDA settings?
Joseph, Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white. ~ Kelley Boorn
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Hi, For Quentin: I’m thinking we should queue this for 2021. Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, November 6, 2020 4:16 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Can anyone explain the Input Composition checkboxes in NVDA settings?
On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 07:13 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white. ~ Kelley Boorn
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Luke Robinett
Thank you for asking this! That area of the Settings has long mystified me as well but I figured I wasn’t missing much, considering NVDA seems to work just fine without ever having to touch those settings. Now I understand why. I also agree with the comments here about how some areas of NVDA settings could be better organized, made more clear and more easily discovered with some sort of search mechanism. Thanks again.
On Nov 6, 2020, at 4:17 PM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:
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