You're right that is a bit of a mess - I hadn't tried navigating it today, I just pulled up the link.  The version I already have installed does work quite well - I'm not sure if there's an easier way of obtaining it though.  I might reach out to them.

On Fri, Mar 31, 2023 at 11:20 AM Christopher Bartlett <themusicalbrewer@...> wrote:

Wow, the web site for downloading the reader presented an epic challenge.  Activating the free download button apparently activates a window that NVDA can't get to, at least in the latest Chrome browser.  I hope the program is better than its web site.

On Thu, Mar 30, 2023 at 7:09 PM Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:

With Adobe Reader, press F6 and it should go from the Home button, toolbar, navigation pane, then the document itself, then find tools.  Stop at the document and you should be able to read it.

Foxit PDF reader is another option.  I haven't used it in a few months but it was quite accessible last time I did: https://www.foxit.com/pdf-reader/

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Mar 31, 2023 at 11:01 AM Christopher Bartlett <themusicalbrewer@...> wrote:

Still looking for a better way to read pdf files than edge which I find clunky and annoying.  I installed Acrobat Reader DC today and opened a file that I could read in edge, only to be bewildered by a whole set of controls and unable to find the actual document.  I'm using win 10 21H2, NVDA 2023.1, and whatever today's version of the reader is.

I've done a search and not found any material that talks about the interface I'm seeing.  I'd love an old-fashioned menu-based interface with a document window, but I don't know how to get there.

P.S.  If anyone has other tools to read pdf documents, I'd love to uninstall Acrobat reader.

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On Thu, Mar 30, 2023 at 08:01 PM, Christopher Bartlett wrote:

I'd love an old-fashioned menu-based interface with a document window, but I don't know how to get there.

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If you'd like to have Adobe Reader Version 9 from 2008 I archived it and it's installer is in the ZIP file on my Google Drive that link references.

If you attempt to download it, you will get a warning from Google that it's too large to virus scan.  The installer itself has been being virus scanned on all my computers it's been carried through since 2008.

When you run the installer if it detects a newer version of an Adobe reader product you will be prompted with two radio buttons during the install to pick Version 9 versus what you have, and definitely want Version 9 if you want the now ancient menu driven system.

 

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Still looking for a better way to read pdf files than edge which I find
clunky and annoying. I installed Acrobat Reader DC today and opened a file
that I could read in edge, only to be bewildered by a whole set of controls
and unable to find the actual document. I'm using win 10 21H2, NVDA
2023.1, and whatever today's version of the reader is.
I've done a search and not found any material that talks about the
interface I'm seeing. I'd love an old-fashioned menu-based interface with
a document window, but I don't know how to get there.
P.S. If anyone has other tools to read pdf documents, I'd love to
uninstall Acrobat reader.



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Christopher Bartlett

With Adobe Reader, press F6 and it should go from the Home button,
toolbar, navigation pane, then the document itself, then find tools. Stop
at the document and you should be able to read it.

Foxit PDF reader is another option. I haven't used it in a few months but
it was quite accessible last time I did: https://www.foxit.com/pdf-reader/

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Mar 31, 2023 at 11:01 AM Christopher Bartlett <
themusicalbrewer@...> wrote:

Still looking for a better way to read pdf files than edge which I find
clunky and annoying. I installed Acrobat Reader DC today and opened a file
that I could read in edge, only to be bewildered by a whole set of controls
and unable to find the actual document. I'm using win 10 21H2, NVDA
2023.1, and whatever today's version of the reader is.
I've done a search and not found any material that talks about the
interface I'm seeing. I'd love an old-fashioned menu-based interface with
a document window, but I don't know how to get there.
P.S. If anyone has other tools to read pdf documents, I'd love to
uninstall Acrobat reader.



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Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Web: www.nvaccess.org
Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>

Funny, I cannot make headsnor tails of this page as to where to go to
download it either.
 Ahem.
 Brian

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you may use bookworm which supports pdf along with different document
formats and is fully accessible.
get it from here ( https://github.com/blindpandas/bookworm )

I almost never use Adobe, but I have either the current or a recent version on my machine.  There are typical menus and commands like control o, open still work. 

There are buttons you can do thing with that you can get to by tabbing around the window but there are also standard menus.

Gene

On Thu, Mar 30, 2023 at 08:01 PM, Christopher Bartlett wrote:

I'd love an old-fashioned menu-based interface with a document window, but I don't know how to get there.

-
If you'd like to have Adobe Reader Version 9 from 2008 I archived it and it's installer is in the ZIP file on my Google Drive that link references.

If you attempt to download it, you will get a warning from Google that it's too large to virus scan.  The installer itself has been being virus scanned on all my computers it's been carried through since 2008.

When you run the installer if it detects a newer version of an Adobe reader product you will be prompted with two radio buttons during the install to pick Version 9 versus what you have, and definitely want Version 9 if you want the now ancient menu driven system.

 

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Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit

It is much easier to be critical than to be correct.

       ~ Benjamin Disraeli, 1804-1881

Funny, I cannot make headsnor tails of this page as to where to go to download it either.
Ahem.
Brian

With Adobe Reader, press F6 and it should go from the Home button,
toolbar, navigation pane, then the document itself, then find tools.
Stop at the document and you should be able to read it.

Foxit PDF reader is another option. I haven't used it in a few months
but it was quite accessible last time I did:
https://www.foxit.com/pdf-reader/

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Mar 31, 2023 at 11:01 AM Christopher Bartlett <
themusicalbrewer@...> wrote:

Still looking for a better way to read pdf files than edge which I
find clunky and annoying. I installed Acrobat Reader DC today and
opened a file that I could read in edge, only to be bewildered by a
whole set of controls and unable to find the actual document. I'm
using win 10 21H2, NVDA 2023.1, and whatever today's version of the
reader is.
I've done a search and not found any material that talks about the
interface I'm seeing. I'd love an old-fashioned menu-based interface
with a document window, but I don't know how to get there.
P.S. If anyone has other tools to read pdf documents, I'd love to
uninstall Acrobat reader.



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Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Web: www.nvaccess.org
Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>

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I have also used Foxit, which not only allows to read PDFs fairly accessibly but also allows one to enter text e.g. a signature or simply entering data. It is quite large in recent years unfortunately but I find it works well enough. I haven’t used Adobi reader itself in quite some time – I find it an incredibly tedious to use and always have.  Bookworm is a great tool to go along with Foxit and using both in combination with each other really gives one the best of both worlds in my view. I don’t find Adobi does anything that any of the web browser’s built in readers aren’t able to and, in fact, on a regular basis it actually ends up being more of a hassle to read PDF documents.

This is just my opinion of course.

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I have also used Foxit, which not only allows to read PDFs fairly accessibly but also allows one to enter text e.g. a signature or simply entering data. It is quite large in recent years unfortunately but I find it works well enough. I haven’t used Adobi reader itself in quite some time – I find it an incredibly tedious to use and always have.  Bookworm is a great tool to go along with Foxit and using both in combination with each other really gives one the best of both worlds in my view. I don’t find Adobi does anything that any of the web browser’s built in readers aren’t able to and, in fact, on a regular basis it actually ends up being more of a hassle to read PDF documents.

This is just my opinion of course.

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