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Capslock as modifier


Janet Brandly
 

Hello all,

 

I seem to have solved my problem of having the capslock activated accidentally. I’m learning some new software so this is probably what happened. At least I know how to check its status now.

 

Janet


Janet Brandly
 

To add to my last note, although I have the box checked in the keyboard settings to let me know if capital keys are being typed when I want lower case, that’s not working. I’ve got it set to say words as I type them, so perhaps that is the problem? I really don’t need to hear each character.


Jackie
 

I have mine set to words as well.

On 8/26/20, Janet Brandly <jbrandly@...> wrote:
To add to my last note, although I have the box checked in the keyboard
settings to let me know if capital keys are being typed when I want lower
case, that's not working. I've got it set to say words as I type them, so
perhaps that is the problem? I really don't need to hear each character.




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Quentin Christensen
 

It should still beep when typing a lowercase letter with caps lock on - so if you have double pressed the caps lock key and caps lock is on.  If you then press SHIFT and type a letter (which will come out lowercase) NVDA will beep.

In NVDA'S speech settings there is an option "Beep for capitals".  With that on whenever you arrow to a capital or type a capital letter, NVDA will beep, however it only does this when reading the letter, so it only reads when typing, if speak typed characters is enabled.

Quentin.

On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 10:54 AM Janet Brandly <jbrandly@...> wrote:

To add to my last note, although I have the box checked in the keyboard settings to let me know if capital keys are being typed when I want lower case, that’s not working. I’ve got it set to say words as I type them, so perhaps that is the problem? I really don’t need to hear each character.



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Gene
 

I just tested this and it beeps when speak typed characters is on or off. It does it when speak words is on or off as well, so the screen-reader could be silent and it would still beep.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 9:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Capslock as modifier


It should still beep when typing a lowercase letter with caps lock on - so if you have double pressed the caps lock key and caps lock is on. If you then press SHIFT and type a letter (which will come out lowercase) NVDA will beep.

In NVDA'S speech settings there is an option "Beep for capitals". With that on whenever you arrow to a capital or type a capital letter, NVDA will beep, however it only does this when reading the letter, so it only reads when typing, if speak typed characters is enabled.

Quentin.


On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 10:54 AM Janet Brandly <jbrandly@...> wrote:


To add to my last note, although I have the box checked in the keyboard settings to let me know if capital keys are being typed when I want lower case, that’s not working. I’ve got it set to say words as I type them, so perhaps that is the problem? I really don’t need to hear each character.











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Chris Mullins
 

Hi

My settings are: synth set to beep if capital letter, speak typed characters off, speak typed words on.

 

This does not beep when typing CAPITAL LETTERS, either with capslock on or when using shift with caps lock off.  Using shift with caps lock on does produce a beep.  In other words, the synthesizer setting that indicates capital letters only works when typing if Speak typed characters is on.

 

I'm using Windows 10 2004 and NVDA 2020.2

 

Cheers

Chris  

 

From: Gene
Sent: 27 August 2020 03:21
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Capslock as modifier

 

I just tested this and it beeps when speak typed characters is on or off.

It does it when speak words is on or off as well, so the screen-reader could

be silent and it would still beep.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Quentin Christensen

Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 9:18 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Capslock as modifier

 

 

It should still beep when typing a lowercase letter with caps lock on - so

if you have double pressed the caps lock key and caps lock is on.  If you

then press SHIFT and type a letter (which will come out lowercase) NVDA will

beep.

 

In NVDA'S speech settings there is an option "Beep for capitals".  With that

on whenever you arrow to a capital or type a capital letter, NVDA will beep,

however it only does this when reading the letter, so it only reads when

typing, if speak typed characters is enabled.

 

Quentin.

 

 

On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 10:54 AM Janet Brandly <jbrandly@...> wrote:

 

 

To add to my last note, although I have the box checked in the keyboard

settings to let me know if capital keys are being typed when I want lower

case, that’s not working. I’ve got it set to say words as I type them, so

perhaps that is the problem? I really don’t need to hear each character.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Quentin Christensen
 

Yes that is the way it works.  I can see the use of wanting beeps for capitals even with speak typed chars off.  It would be worth writing up an issue if you are keen:  https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 7:54 PM Chris Mullins <cjmullins29@...> wrote:

Hi

My settings are: synth set to beep if capital letter, speak typed characters off, speak typed words on.

 

This does not beep when typing CAPITAL LETTERS, either with capslock on or when using shift with caps lock off.  Using shift with caps lock on does produce a beep.  In other words, the synthesizer setting that indicates capital letters only works when typing if Speak typed characters is on.

 

I'm using Windows 10 2004 and NVDA 2020.2

 

Cheers

Chris  

 

From: Gene
Sent: 27 August 2020 03:21
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Capslock as modifier

 

I just tested this and it beeps when speak typed characters is on or off.

It does it when speak words is on or off as well, so the screen-reader could

be silent and it would still beep.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Quentin Christensen

Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 9:18 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Capslock as modifier

 

 

It should still beep when typing a lowercase letter with caps lock on - so

if you have double pressed the caps lock key and caps lock is on.  If you

then press SHIFT and type a letter (which will come out lowercase) NVDA will

beep.

 

In NVDA'S speech settings there is an option "Beep for capitals".  With that

on whenever you arrow to a capital or type a capital letter, NVDA will beep,

however it only does this when reading the letter, so it only reads when

typing, if speak typed characters is enabled.

 

Quentin.

 

 

On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 10:54 AM Janet Brandly <jbrandly@...> wrote:

 

 

To add to my last note, although I have the box checked in the keyboard

settings to let me know if capital keys are being typed when I want lower

case, that’s not working. I’ve got it set to say words as I type them, so

perhaps that is the problem? I really don’t need to hear each character.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Quentin Christensen

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User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda

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Gene
 

I don't know if this varies when using different versions of Windows or for some other reason.

gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Mullins
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 4:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Capslock as modifier



Hi

My settings are: synth set to beep if capital letter, speak typed characters off, speak typed words on.



This does not beep when typing CAPITAL LETTERS, either with capslock on or when using shift with caps lock off. Using shift with caps lock on does produce a beep. In other words, the synthesizer setting that indicates capital letters only works when typing if Speak typed characters is on.



I'm using Windows 10 2004 and NVDA 2020.2



Cheers

Chris





From: Gene
Sent: 27 August 2020 03:21
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Capslock as modifier





I just tested this and it beeps when speak typed characters is on or off.

It does it when speak words is on or off as well, so the screen-reader could

be silent and it would still beep.



Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Quentin Christensen

Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 9:18 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Capslock as modifier





It should still beep when typing a lowercase letter with caps lock on - so

if you have double pressed the caps lock key and caps lock is on. If you

then press SHIFT and type a letter (which will come out lowercase) NVDA will

beep.



In NVDA'S speech settings there is an option "Beep for capitals". With that

on whenever you arrow to a capital or type a capital letter, NVDA will beep,

however it only does this when reading the letter, so it only reads when

typing, if speak typed characters is enabled.



Quentin.





On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 10:54 AM Janet Brandly <jbrandly@...> wrote:





To add to my last note, although I have the box checked in the keyboard

settings to let me know if capital keys are being typed when I want lower

case, that’s not working. I’ve got it set to say words as I type them, so

perhaps that is the problem? I really don’t need to hear each character.























--



Quentin Christensen

Training and Support Manager





Web: www.nvaccess.org

Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/

User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess

Twitter: @NVAccess


Janet Brandly
 

Thanks to everyone for hints/suggestions about solving my caps lock problem.

Janet


Quentin Christensen
 

Gene there are two settings mentioned in the thread, which initially sound similar, but work differently to each other:

In NVDA's keyboard settings there is an option "Beep if typing lowercase letters when caps lock is on".  That option beeps when caps lock is on AND you then press SHIFT and type a letter (which will come out lowercase).  That option works regardless of your keyboard echo settings.

In NVDA'S speech settings there is an option "Beep for capitals".  With that on whenever you arrow to a capital letter or type a capital letter, NVDA will beep, however it only does this when reading the letter, so it only reads while typing if speak typed characters is enabled.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 9:29 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I don't know if this varies when using different versions of Windows or for
some other reason.

gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Mullins
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 4:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Capslock as modifier



Hi

My settings are: synth set to beep if capital letter, speak typed characters
off, speak typed words on.



This does not beep when typing CAPITAL LETTERS, either with capslock on or
when using shift with caps lock off.  Using shift with caps lock on does
produce a beep.  In other words, the synthesizer setting that indicates
capital letters only works when typing if Speak typed characters is on.



I'm using Windows 10 2004 and NVDA 2020.2



Cheers

Chris





From: Gene
Sent: 27 August 2020 03:21
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Capslock as modifier





I just tested this and it beeps when speak typed characters is on or off.

It does it when speak words is on or off as well, so the screen-reader could

be silent and it would still beep.



Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Quentin Christensen

Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 9:18 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Capslock as modifier





It should still beep when typing a lowercase letter with caps lock on - so

if you have double pressed the caps lock key and caps lock is on.  If you

then press SHIFT and type a letter (which will come out lowercase) NVDA will

beep.



In NVDA'S speech settings there is an option "Beep for capitals".  With that

on whenever you arrow to a capital or type a capital letter, NVDA will beep,

however it only does this when reading the letter, so it only reads when

typing, if speak typed characters is enabled.



Quentin.





On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 10:54 AM Janet Brandly <jbrandly@...> wrote:





To add to my last note, although I have the box checked in the keyboard

settings to let me know if capital keys are being typed when I want lower

case, that’s not working. I’ve got it set to say words as I type them, so

perhaps that is the problem? I really don’t need to hear each character.























--



Quentin Christensen

Training and Support Manager





Web: www.nvaccess.org

Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/

User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess

Twitter: @NVAccess




















--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Gene
 

Does that mean that the more limited one should be removed?

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 5:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Capslock as modifier


Gene there are two settings mentioned in the thread, which initially sound similar, but work differently to each other:

In NVDA's keyboard settings there is an option "Beep if typing lowercase letters when caps lock is on". That option beeps when caps lock is on AND you then press SHIFT and type a letter (which will come out lowercase). That option works regardless of your keyboard echo settings.

In NVDA'S speech settings there is an option "Beep for capitals". With that on whenever you arrow to a capital letter or type a capital letter, NVDA will beep, however it only does this when reading the letter, so it only reads while typing if speak typed characters is enabled.

Kind regards

Quentin.


On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 9:29 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I don't know if this varies when using different versions of Windows or for
some other reason.

gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Mullins
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 4:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Capslock as modifier



Hi

My settings are: synth set to beep if capital letter, speak typed characters
off, speak typed words on.



This does not beep when typing CAPITAL LETTERS, either with capslock on or
when using shift with caps lock off. Using shift with caps lock on does
produce a beep. In other words, the synthesizer setting that indicates
capital letters only works when typing if Speak typed characters is on.



I'm using Windows 10 2004 and NVDA 2020.2



Cheers

Chris





From: Gene
Sent: 27 August 2020 03:21
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Capslock as modifier





I just tested this and it beeps when speak typed characters is on or off.

It does it when speak words is on or off as well, so the screen-reader could

be silent and it would still beep.



Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Quentin Christensen

Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 9:18 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Capslock as modifier





It should still beep when typing a lowercase letter with caps lock on - so

if you have double pressed the caps lock key and caps lock is on. If you

then press SHIFT and type a letter (which will come out lowercase) NVDA will

beep.



In NVDA'S speech settings there is an option "Beep for capitals". With that

on whenever you arrow to a capital or type a capital letter, NVDA will beep,

however it only does this when reading the letter, so it only reads when

typing, if speak typed characters is enabled.



Quentin.





On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 10:54 AM Janet Brandly <jbrandly@...> wrote:





To add to my last note, although I have the box checked in the keyboard

settings to let me know if capital keys are being typed when I want lower

case, that’s not working. I’ve got it set to say words as I type them, so

perhaps that is the problem? I really don’t need to hear each character.























--



Quentin Christensen

Training and Support Manager





Web: www.nvaccess.org

Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/

User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess

Twitter: @NVAccess






















--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Web: www.nvaccess.org
Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess


Luke Davis
 

It is not more limited. It is just different.

The first beeps if you type a lower-case letter while holding shift. Since that only happens if capslock is on, it is an effective indication of capslock.

The second is effective when reviewing text: it doesn't relate to typing, but to situations wherein you are arrowing around or using review commands.
Similar to, or an alternative to, the change pitch for capital letters option, it is just a method of alerting you to capital letters that you are reading.
Incidental to speak typed characters, it also happens to beep when you type a capital letter, but that isn't its primary function.

The first relates to writing, the second to reading. Neither is "more limited" than the other, they solve different problems.

Luke

On Thu, 27 Aug 2020, Gene wrote:

Does that mean that the more limited one should be removed?

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Quentin Christensen

Gene there are two settings mentioned in the thread, which initially sound similar, but work differently to each other:

In NVDA's keyboard settings there is an option "Beep if typing lowercase letters when caps lock is on". That option beeps when caps lock is on AND you then press SHIFT and type a letter (which will come out lowercase). That option works regardless of your keyboard echo settings.

In NVDA'S speech settings there is an option "Beep for capitals". With that on whenever you arrow to a capital letter or type a capital letter, NVDA will beep, however it only does this when reading the letter, so it only reads while typing if speak typed characters is enabled.


Gene
 

I understand that they have very different functions. I've seen them both but I didn't realize what was being described as to the beep when reviewing text you are describing.

I've never played with the beep for capitals in the settings for the voice dialog. However, there is what I consider a serious omission inits function. it doesn't beep for capitals unless you are moving through text by carachter. If you move by word, it doesn't beep, if you are using read to end, it doesn't beep. I have to be moving by caracter. I consider that to be a serious omission.

gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Luke Davis
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 7:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Capslock as modifier

It is not more limited. It is just different.

The first beeps if you type a lower-case letter while holding shift. Since that
only happens if capslock is on, it is an effective indication of capslock.

The second is effective when reviewing text: it doesn't relate to typing, but
to situations wherein you are arrowing around or using review commands.
Similar to, or an alternative to, the change pitch for capital letters option,
it is just a method of alerting you to capital letters that you are reading.
Incidental to speak typed characters, it also happens to beep when you type a
capital letter, but that isn't its primary function.

The first relates to writing, the second to reading. Neither is "more limited"
than the other, they solve different problems.

Luke


On Thu, 27 Aug 2020, Gene wrote:

Does that mean that the more limited one should be removed?

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Quentin Christensen

Gene there are two settings mentioned in the thread, which initially sound similar, but work differently to each other:

In NVDA's keyboard settings there is an option "Beep if typing lowercase letters when caps lock is on". That option beeps when caps lock is on AND you then press SHIFT and type a letter (which will come out lowercase). That option works regardless of your keyboard echo settings.

In NVDA'S speech settings there is an option "Beep for capitals". With that on whenever you arrow to a capital letter or type a capital letter, NVDA will beep, however it only does this when reading the letter, so it only reads while typing if speak typed characters is enabled.


Quentin Christensen
 

There is an issue open for that use case Gene.  There have been some technical limitations on implementing it in the past.  I'm not sure whether those still exist, but the issue is here if you are interested:  https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/3286

Quentin.

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:06 AM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I understand that they have very different functions.  I've seen them both
but I didn't realize what was being described as to the beep when reviewing
text you are describing.

I've never played with the beep for capitals in the settings for the voice
dialog.  However, there is what I consider a serious omission inits
function.  it doesn't beep for capitals unless you are moving through text
by carachter.  If you move by word, it doesn't beep, if you are using read
to end, it doesn't beep.  I have to be moving by caracter.  I consider that
to be a serious omission.

gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Luke Davis
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 7:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Capslock as modifier

It is not more limited.  It is just different.

The first beeps if you type a lower-case letter while holding shift.  Since
that
only happens if capslock is on, it is an effective indication of capslock.

The second is effective when reviewing text: it doesn't relate to typing,
but
to situations wherein you are arrowing around or using review commands.
Similar to, or an alternative to, the change pitch for capital letters
option,
it is just a method of alerting you to capital letters that you are reading.
Incidental to speak typed characters, it also happens to beep when you type
a
capital letter, but that isn't its primary function.

The first relates to writing, the second to reading.  Neither is "more
limited"
than the other, they solve different problems.

Luke


On Thu, 27 Aug 2020, Gene wrote:

> Does that mean that the more limited one should be removed?
>
> Gene
> -----Original Message----- From: Quentin Christensen
>
> Gene there are two settings mentioned in the thread, which initially sound
> similar, but work differently to each other:
>
> In NVDA's keyboard settings there is an option "Beep if typing lowercase
> letters when caps lock is on".  That option beeps when caps lock is on AND
> you then press SHIFT and type a letter (which will come out lowercase).
> That option works regardless of your keyboard echo settings.
>
> In NVDA'S speech settings there is an option "Beep for capitals".  With
> that on whenever you arrow to a capital letter or type a capital letter,
> NVDA will beep, however it only does this when reading the letter, so it
> only reads while typing if speak typed characters is enabled.








--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Gene
 

Thank you. I'll look at it.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 8:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Capslock as modifier


There is an issue open for that use case Gene. There have been some technical limitations on implementing it in the past. I'm not sure whether those still exist, but the issue is here if you are interested: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/3286

Quentin.


On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:06 AM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I understand that they have very different functions. I've seen them both
but I didn't realize what was being described as to the beep when reviewing
text you are describing.

I've never played with the beep for capitals in the settings for the voice
dialog. However, there is what I consider a serious omission inits
function. it doesn't beep for capitals unless you are moving through text
by carachter. If you move by word, it doesn't beep, if you are using read
to end, it doesn't beep. I have to be moving by caracter. I consider that
to be a serious omission.

gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Luke Davis
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 7:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Capslock as modifier

It is not more limited. It is just different.

The first beeps if you type a lower-case letter while holding shift. Since
that
only happens if capslock is on, it is an effective indication of capslock.

The second is effective when reviewing text: it doesn't relate to typing,
but
to situations wherein you are arrowing around or using review commands.
Similar to, or an alternative to, the change pitch for capital letters
option,
it is just a method of alerting you to capital letters that you are reading.
Incidental to speak typed characters, it also happens to beep when you type
a
capital letter, but that isn't its primary function.

The first relates to writing, the second to reading. Neither is "more
limited"
than the other, they solve different problems.

Luke


On Thu, 27 Aug 2020, Gene wrote:

Does that mean that the more limited one should be removed?

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Quentin Christensen

Gene there are two settings mentioned in the thread, which initially sound
similar, but work differently to each other:

In NVDA's keyboard settings there is an option "Beep if typing lowercase
letters when caps lock is on". That option beeps when caps lock is on AND
you then press SHIFT and type a letter (which will come out lowercase).
That option works regardless of your keyboard echo settings.

In NVDA'S speech settings there is an option "Beep for capitals". With
that on whenever you arrow to a capital letter or type a capital letter,
NVDA will beep, however it only does this when reading the letter, so it
only reads while typing if speak typed characters is enabled.









--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Web: www.nvaccess.org
Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
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