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Clipspeak Interfering with Modifier Keys After Selecting Material from Clipboard to Copy
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Abbie Taylor
I'm not seeing a way to contact this add-on's developer directly. So, I'm posting this here.
I've had this issue with Clipspeak before and disabled it. After updates to this add-on came out, I tried it again but am having the same issue. I've finally established a pattern. When I press Control plus V to paste material, things work as they should. But after I paste a specific item from the clipboard by pressing Windows plus V and navigating to the item and pressing the spacebar, although the item is copied, my modifier keys either don't function, have different functions, or function when not necessary. Here are some examples. In Chrome, I can't toggle between Forms and Browse mode with Space plus Modifier. In Word, when I press Home to navigate to the beginning of a line, I'm taken to the top of the document. In Thunderbird, when I press Modifier plus Down or Up Arrow to read all or the current line, my speech rate decreases or increases. I often have to restart NVDA in order for everything to work properly. I'm running Windows 10 Version 21 H 2 with NVDA Version 22.4. I really like the feedback I get from Clipspeak when doing anything with the clipboard. So, I've tried disabling the add-on when I want to select items from the clipboard to copy and enabling it when I'm done. But that was getting to be a pain. So, I'm leaving it disabled for now. Since I've established a pattern, I hope this issue can be duplicated and resolved. -- Abbie Johnson Taylor, Author https://www.abbiejohnsontaylor.com abbietaylor945@... |
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Gene
The control key is getting stuck on. Try pressing the right and
left control key quickly perhaps ten or fifteen times, then see if
it is no longer stuck. Or it may just be easier to unload and run
NVDA again.
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I have no idea if this is a general problem or one few people experience but whatever the case, the result is as I described, that the control key is stuck on. Gene On 3/18/2023 10:48 AM, Abbie Taylor
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Could this possibly have any tie-in to Clipboard History, which was introduced mid-stream of Windows 10?
I'd at least look at the Clipboard Settings and check to see if the behaviors are any different if Clipboard History is on versus off. I believe it's off by default, but I know I've turned it on. -- Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit It is much easier to be critical than to be correct. ~ Benjamin Disraeli, 1804-1881 |
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Rui Fontes
Hello!
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I am the maintainer of this add-on... and my e-mail is rui.fontes@.... I cannot accept the fact that the supplement is the only culprit. And the reason is my inability to reproduce 100% of times your steps... Surelly it happens some times but not always... My signature was copied with Windows+v and no key was stuck... Best regards, Rui Fontes NVDA portuguese team Às 15:48 de 18/03/2023, Abbie Taylor escreveu: I'm not seeing a way to contact this add-on's developer directly. So, I'm posting this here. |
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Hi, Possible culprit: Control key getting stuck when pasting data via clipboard history. After selecting an item to be pasted, Windows presses Control+V on its own. This may or may not be the case in Windows 11 as you can press Enter from Windows 11 clipboard history to paste items (the overall UI of clipboard history has changed significantly between Windows 10 and 11). Cheers, Joseph |
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Gene
One way to test a possible cause is to disable all other add-ons,
then see if the problem occurs when just using this one add-on. If
it doesn't occur, then it is a combination of the add-on and one or
more others.
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David Goldfield
When something like this happens to me where it appears as though my control key was being held down I just press the right control key once or twice followed by doing the same with my left control key. Hopefully, that will help if that’s what is happening with this user.
David Goldfield, Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Joseph Lee
Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2023 1:03 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Clipspeak Interfering with Modifier Keys After Selecting Material from Clipboard to Copy
Hi, Possible culprit: Control key getting stuck when pasting data via clipboard history. After selecting an item to be pasted, Windows presses Control+V on its own. This may or may not be the case in Windows 11 as you can press Enter from Windows 11 clipboard history to paste items (the overall UI of clipboard history has changed significantly between Windows 10 and 11). Cheers, Joseph |
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Robert Doc Wright godfearer
Thank yoo Abbie this gave me an idea. When I awoke this morning I discoverred that I could not copy anything. After reding your post I disabled clipspeak now I can copy again.
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From: "Abbie Taylor" <abbietaylor945@...> To: "NVDA List" <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2023 9:48 AM Subject: [nvda] Clipspeak Interfering with Modifier Keys After Selecting Material from Clipboard to Copy I'm not seeing a way to contact this add-on's developer directly. So, I'm posting this here. I've had this issue with Clipspeak before and disabled it. After updates to this add-on came out, I tried it again but am having the same issue. I've finally established a pattern. When I press Control plus V to paste material, things work as they should. But after I paste a specific item from the clipboard by pressing Windows plus V and navigating to the item and pressing the spacebar, although the item is copied, my modifier keys either don't function, have different functions, or function when not necessary. Here are some examples. In Chrome, I can't toggle between Forms and Browse mode with Space plus Modifier. In Word, when I press Home to navigate to the beginning of a line, I'm taken to the top of the document. In Thunderbird, when I press Modifier plus Down or Up Arrow to read all or the current line, my speech rate decreases or increases. I often have to restart NVDA in order for everything to work properly. I'm running Windows 10 Version 21 H 2 with NVDA Version 22.4. I really like the feedback I get from Clipspeak when doing anything with the clipboard. So, I've tried disabling the add-on when I want to select items from the clipboard to copy and enabling it when I'm done. But that was getting to be a pain. So, I'm leaving it disabled for now. Since I've established a pattern, I hope this issue can be duplicated and resolved. -- Abbie Johnson Taylor, Author https://www.abbiejohnsontaylor.com abbietaylor945@... |
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Brian's Mail list account
I don't have windows11, but have had no trouble in Windows 7 or 10 with this happening. Maybe Joseph is on to something here. Why oh why would you mess about with a Windows shortcut that has been with us since early windows, and works?
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Brian -- bglists@... Sent via blueyonder.(Virgin media) Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Doc Wright godfearer" <godfearer@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2023 11:30 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Clipspeak Interfering with Modifier Keys After Selecting Material from Clipboard to Copy Thank yoo Abbie this gave me an idea. When I awoke this morning I discoverred that I could not copy anything. After reding your post I disabled clipspeak now I can copy again. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Abbie Taylor" <abbietaylor945@...> To: "NVDA List" <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2023 9:48 AM Subject: [nvda] Clipspeak Interfering with Modifier Keys After Selecting Material from Clipboard to Copy I'm not seeing a way to contact this add-on's developer directly. So, I'm posting this here. I've had this issue with Clipspeak before and disabled it. After updates to this add-on came out, I tried it again but am having the same issue. I've finally established a pattern. When I press Control plus V to paste material, things work as they should. But after I paste a specific item from the clipboard by pressing Windows plus V and navigating to the item and pressing the spacebar, although the item is copied, my modifier keys either don't function, have different functions, or function when not necessary. Here are some examples. In Chrome, I can't toggle between Forms and Browse mode with Space plus Modifier. In Word, when I press Home to navigate to the beginning of a line, I'm taken to the top of the document. In Thunderbird, when I press Modifier plus Down or Up Arrow to read all or the current line, my speech rate decreases or increases. I often have to restart NVDA in order for everything to work properly. I'm running Windows 10 Version 21 H 2 with NVDA Version 22.4. I really like the feedback I get from Clipspeak when doing anything with the clipboard. So, I've tried disabling the add-on when I want to select items from the clipboard to copy and enabling it when I'm done. But that was getting to be a pain. So, I'm leaving it disabled for now. Since I've established a pattern, I hope this issue can be duplicated and resolved. -- Abbie Johnson Taylor, Author https://www.abbiejohnsontaylor.com abbietaylor945@... |
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Abbie Taylor
Well, yesterday, I enabled Cliipspeak again and tried a suggestion others made to press the right then left control keys twice after pasting material from clipboard history. So far, this seems to have resolved the issue. So, Robert, you might try enabling the add-on again and pressing first your right then your left control key twice and see if you're then able to copy something. I hope that helps.
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On 3/19/2023 5:30 AM, Robert Doc Wright godfearer wrote:
Thank yoo Abbie this gave me an idea. When I awoke this morning I discoverred that I could not copy anything. After reding your post I disabled clipspeak now I can copy again. |
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Robert Doc Wright godfearer
Mine worked last night. this morning when I got up to set up my internet station for the upcoming week I could not copy anything. It didn't matter if I were in notepad nor file explorer. ctrl+c did nothing. not even after rebooting. When I disabled clipspeak it worked again.
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From: "Brian's Mail list account via groups.io" <bglists@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2023 7:21 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Clipspeak Interfering with Modifier Keys After Selecting Material from Clipboard to Copy I don't have windows11, but have had no trouble in Windows 7 or 10 with this happening. Maybe Joseph is on to something here. Why oh why would you mess about with a Windows shortcut that has been with us since early windows, and works? Brian -- bglists@... Sent via blueyonder.(Virgin media) Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Doc Wright godfearer" <godfearer@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2023 11:30 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Clipspeak Interfering with Modifier Keys After Selecting Material from Clipboard to Copy Thank yoo Abbie this gave me an idea. When I awoke this morning I discoverred that I could not copy anything. After reding your post I disabled clipspeak now I can copy again. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Abbie Taylor" <abbietaylor945@...> To: "NVDA List" <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2023 9:48 AM Subject: [nvda] Clipspeak Interfering with Modifier Keys After Selecting Material from Clipboard to Copy I'm not seeing a way to contact this add-on's developer directly. So, I'm posting this here. I've had this issue with Clipspeak before and disabled it. After updates to this add-on came out, I tried it again but am having the same issue. I've finally established a pattern. When I press Control plus V to paste material, things work as they should. But after I paste a specific item from the clipboard by pressing Windows plus V and navigating to the item and pressing the spacebar, although the item is copied, my modifier keys either don't function, have different functions, or function when not necessary. Here are some examples. In Chrome, I can't toggle between Forms and Browse mode with Space plus Modifier. In Word, when I press Home to navigate to the beginning of a line, I'm taken to the top of the document. In Thunderbird, when I press Modifier plus Down or Up Arrow to read all or the current line, my speech rate decreases or increases. I often have to restart NVDA in order for everything to work properly. I'm running Windows 10 Version 21 H 2 with NVDA Version 22.4. I really like the feedback I get from Clipspeak when doing anything with the clipboard. So, I've tried disabling the add-on when I want to select items from the clipboard to copy and enabling it when I'm done. But that was getting to be a pain. So, I'm leaving it disabled for now. Since I've established a pattern, I hope this issue can be duplicated and resolved. -- Abbie Johnson Taylor, Author https://www.abbiejohnsontaylor.com abbietaylor945@... |
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Did you hit control twice and hold down both left and right control per the suggestions?
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Doc Wright godfearer Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2023 12:58 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Clipspeak Interfering with Modifier Keys After Selecting Material from Clipboard to Copy Mine worked last night. this morning when I got up to set up my internet station for the upcoming week I could not copy anything. It didn't matter if I were in notepad nor file explorer. ctrl+c did nothing. not even after rebooting. When I disabled clipspeak it worked again. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian's Mail list account via groups.io" <bglists@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2023 7:21 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Clipspeak Interfering with Modifier Keys After Selecting Material from Clipboard to Copy I don't have windows11, but have had no trouble in Windows 7 or 10 with this happening. Maybe Joseph is on to something here. Why oh why would you mess about with a Windows shortcut that has been with us since early windows, and works? Brian -- bglists@... Sent via blueyonder.(Virgin media) Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Doc Wright godfearer" <godfearer@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2023 11:30 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Clipspeak Interfering with Modifier Keys After Selecting Material from Clipboard to Copy Thank yoo Abbie this gave me an idea. When I awoke this morning I discoverred that I could not copy anything. After reding your post I disabled clipspeak now I can copy again. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Abbie Taylor" <abbietaylor945@...> To: "NVDA List" <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2023 9:48 AM Subject: [nvda] Clipspeak Interfering with Modifier Keys After Selecting Material from Clipboard to Copy I'm not seeing a way to contact this add-on's developer directly. So, I'm posting this here. I've had this issue with Clipspeak before and disabled it. After updates to this add-on came out, I tried it again but am having the same issue. I've finally established a pattern. When I press Control plus V to paste material, things work as they should. But after I paste a specific item from the clipboard by pressing Windows plus V and navigating to the item and pressing the spacebar, although the item is copied, my modifier keys either don't function, have different functions, or function when not necessary. Here are some examples. In Chrome, I can't toggle between Forms and Browse mode with Space plus Modifier. In Word, when I press Home to navigate to the beginning of a line, I'm taken to the top of the document. In Thunderbird, when I press Modifier plus Down or Up Arrow to read all or the current line, my speech rate decreases or increases. I often have to restart NVDA in order for everything to work properly. I'm running Windows 10 Version 21 H 2 with NVDA Version 22.4. I really like the feedback I get from Clipspeak when doing anything with the clipboard. So, I've tried disabling the add-on when I want to select items from the clipboard to copy and enabling it when I'm done. But that was getting to be a pain. So, I'm leaving it disabled for now. Since I've established a pattern, I hope this issue can be duplicated and resolved. -- Abbie Johnson Taylor, Author https://www.abbiejohnsontaylor.com abbietaylor945@... -- ---------- Sarah Alawami, owner of flying Blind. Visit my website ( http://flyingblind.us ) to read my story. Windows 11 22H2 (x64) build 22621.963 NVDA Version: 2022.3.3 Microsoft 365 MSO (Version 2211 Build 16.0.15831.20098) 64-bit |
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Rui Fontes
What other add-ons you have installed?
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Rui Fontes Às 19:58 de 19/03/2023, Robert Doc Wright godfearer escreveu: Mine worked last night. this morning when I got up to set up my internet station for the upcoming week I could not copy anything. It didn't matter if I were in notepad nor file explorer. ctrl+c did nothing. not even after rebooting. When I disabled clipspeak it worked again. |
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Robert Doc Wright godfearer
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From: "Rui Fontes" <rui.fontes@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2023 2:12 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Clipspeak Interfering with Modifier Keys After Selecting Material from Clipboard to Copy What other add-ons you have installed? |
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Rui Fontes
Hello!
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In NVDAExtensionGlobalPlugin you have the feature "Clipboard command announcement" set to "Do not install"? If not it is expectable to have problems since both add-ons are trying to controll that... Best regards, Rui Fontes NVDA portuguese team Às 05:43 de 20/03/2023, Robert Doc Wright godfearer escreveu:
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Robert Doc Wright godfearer
Which is why it began working when I disabled clipspeak.
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From: "Rui Fontes" <rui.fontes@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2023 5:49 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Clipspeak Interfering with Modifier Keys After Selecting Material from Clipboard to Copy Hello! |
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On Mon, Mar 20, 2023 at 01:53 PM, Robert Doc Wright godfearer wrote:
Which is why it began working when I disabled clipspeak.- And would have begun working if you disabled the Clipboard command announcement feature in NVDAExtensionGlobalPlugin. When you have any two programs (and add-ons are programs) competing to control the same thing, problems ensue, always. This is why you never put two antivirus or security suite programs on the same computer at the same time. They use similar techniques, look at the same things, and each thinks the other is a threat, and they fight each other to the death. It is imperative when using add-ons that you do not use any two that are attempting to control the same thing at the same time, or to turn off the component of one of them that is attempting to control the same thing as another (when that option exists). You will have conflicts otherwise that screw up functionality. -- Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit It is much easier to be critical than to be correct. ~ Benjamin Disraeli, 1804-1881 |
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Hi, I think part of the confusion could stem from add-on documentation, specifically regarding features NVDA Extension add-on supports and can be toggled (clipboard key handling being one of them); I myself do not write code until I think about messages and documentation (I think that could be why folks consider my add-on docs and messages to be superb because I take developer to user communication (and back) seriously; I wish we the members of the add-ons community can talk more about this in the future, but since folks are busying adjusting to add-on store at the moment...). I have some philosophical issues with NVDA Extension add-on, but for what it does, it should meet needs of users. Cheers, Joseph |
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Christopher Duffley
Hi Joseph,
I agree, but do keep in mind he does not have English as a first language, at least that I’m aware of. It even says right there that Google Translate had translated it for him. I wonder how ChatGPT would actually handle it and retranslate those docs, now that I think about it, as I’ve heard very good translation results with it. I will say that some of the way it was translated did somewhat confuse me, but I did start understanding it over time.
Disclaimer/warning: If I ever came out rude or harsh due to mistranslations, please know I do apologize in advance and that I did not intend to cause any harm or hurt feelings. I was just giving a point/my own experience with this add-on.
As for ClipSpeak, in 10 this is not reproduceable that I know of, but I can try it later on. I’ll also try in 11 and see if I can repro there.
Thanks and cheers, Chris
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2023 16:08 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Clipspeak Interfering with Modifier Keys After Selecting Material from Clipboard to Copy
Hi, I think part of the confusion could stem from add-on documentation, specifically regarding features NVDA Extension add-on supports and can be toggled (clipboard key handling being one of them); I myself do not write code until I think about messages and documentation (I think that could be why folks consider my add-on docs and messages to be superb because I take developer to user communication (and back) seriously; I wish we the members of the add-ons community can talk more about this in the future, but since folks are busying adjusting to add-on store at the moment...). I have some philosophical issues with NVDA Extension add-on, but for what it does, it should meet needs of users. Cheers, Joseph |
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