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Com Registration Tool Breaking Alt-Tab?
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Hello, I ran the com registration tool last night to see if I could fix a bug, and instead of fixing the bug, it broke alt-tab. When I press alt+tab now, I hear "desktop 1" and when I press NVDA+t, I hear "program manager". I can move around my desktop just fine, but when I press alt+tab again, I hear the old window I was on for half a second, then NVDA announces "Desktop 1" again and focus moves back to the desktop. The only ways I'm able to move around my windows are using the jump to window addon and using keyboard shortcuts. Pressing windows+tab doesn't say anything, but when I press my arrow keys, nothing happens, and when I press NVDA+t, I hear "explorer". I'm using the latest version of Windows 11 pro (Version 10.0.22621 Build 22621), and NVDA installed 2022.4.0.27401.4 (latest stable release). I get the same result when I restart my computer and when I run NVDA without addons. This happened after running the com registration tool in NVDA tools menu, and rerunning the tool doesn't fix the problem. This was not a problem before running the com registration tool. Other oddities: The windows key now does not bring up the start menu, windows+d does nothing, but windows+m will show the desktop, tabbing off the desktop will get to the weather widget, then stop talking and go to a window titled "explorer", at that point, the only way to exit is by pressing windows+m. If I shift tab after pressing windows+b, I hear desktop button, search button, and start button, but hitting enter on these only says "button pressed" and "Button unpressed", nothing else happens (they should bring up the start menu, search box, or jump to the desktop I believe). Any ideas of what to do to fix this? My computer is almost unusable at this point.Thanks, |
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Have you performed, The Most Basic Troubleshooting Steps for Suspected NVDA Issues?
If not, do 'em and report back afterward. Definitely use Restart, not Shut Down, to force your machine to shut down completely and reload Windows from scratch whether Fast Startup is enabled or not. -- Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit It is much easier to be critical than to be correct. ~ Benjamin Disraeli, 1804-1881 |
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Hello, I was unaware that shutdown and restart had different properties in windows 11, restarting solved the problem! I did do shutdown earlier, but that didn't work. Thank you, On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 9:44 AM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote: Have you performed, The Most Basic Troubleshooting Steps for Suspected NVDA Issues? |
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Hi, After running COM registration fixing tool, restart NVDA right after and/or log out and log back in. Cheers, Joseph |
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On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 12:50 PM, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote:
I was unaware that shutdown and restart had different properties in windows 11- It's not just Windows 11. It applies to Windows 10 too. Fast Startup, which is on by default under both of these versions of Windows, and which I strongly recommend turning off for precisely the reason seen here, makes Shut Down a modified version of hibernation where only the Windows system state is saved to disk. Conventional hibernation saves both the Windows system state along with the user state(s) for all user(s) that were logged in when the machine was hibernated. Over time, almost invariably, corruption creeps in to any hibernation file, whether for Fast Startup or conventional hibernation if you just keep shutting down or hibernating your system again and again and again and again over time. And once that corruption is there, it stays until and unless the system is actually restarted from scratch forcing Windows to reload afresh from disk. Using Restart to restart does the following: 1. Sets an automatic wake up timer for the system. 2. Shuts the system down completely with no hibernation file of any sort being kept. 3. When the wake timer goes off, the computer is then powered up and Windows reloads afresh from disk. Since the corrupted hibernation file gets purged as part of a Restart in all cases, it's the safest method for forcing this when it is unknown whether Fast Startup is enabled or not. If Fast Startup is disabled, then a Restart or a Shut Down followed by powering up again do the same thing. Turn Off Windows 10 Fast Startup (still applies under Windows 11 as of this date) -- Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit It is much easier to be critical than to be correct. ~ Benjamin Disraeli, 1804-1881 |
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Travis Siegel
I don't know the solution to your issue, but my windows key hasn't worked for over a year. I have no idea what broke it, but shift-f10 brings up the context menu (well, that's the applications key, not the windows one, but same idea), and control-escape brings me to the search box where I can tab to get to the list of installed programs, so the fact that my windows key doesn't really bother me. I know it's an inconvenience, but there are plenty of windows shortcut keys to do things that you'd otherwise use the windows key for, so it's really not a deal breaker.
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Jackie
Travis, if you have a gaming keyboard, there are often extra keys,
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i.e., keys not part of the standard keyboard, that intentionally disable the Windows key. On 3/19/23, Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...> wrote:
I don't know the solution to your issue, but my windows key hasn't --
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Your windows key or something is probably stuck, also try rebooting the comp[.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2023 9:41 AM To: nvda@groups.io Subject: [nvda] Com Registration Tool Breaking Alt-Tab?
Hello, The windows key now does not bring up the start menu, windows+d does nothing, but windows+m will show the desktop, tabbing off the desktop will get to the weather widget, then stop talking and go to a window titled "explorer", at that point, the only way to exit is by pressing windows+m. If I shift tab after pressing windows+b, I hear desktop button, search button, and start button, but hitting enter on these only says "button pressed" and "Button unpressed", nothing else happens (they should bring up the start menu, search box, or jump to the desktop I believe). Any ideas of what to do to fix this? My computer is almost unusable at this point. Thanks,
-- ---------- Sarah Alawami, owner of flying Blind. Visit my website to read my story. Windows 11 22H2 (x64) build 22621.963 NVDA Version: 2022.3.3 Microsoft 365 MSO (Version 2211 Build 16.0.15831.20098) 64-bit |
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Travis Siegel
oh, interesting. That could well be my problem. I do indeed have a gaming keyboard. It was free, so I didn't complain. It has an extra large front piece (like where a mouse or track ball would go, only none is present), but that allows me to keep the keyboard on my lap, and still have a wrist guard (sort of). I can't use the extra keys, since they're programmed to do things I don't need/want, but the software that redefines them isn't accessible, I've just left them alone and dealt with the issues. Nice to know it's the keyboard, and not the windows install, thought something happened to it.
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Thanks for that bit of information, it explains a lot. On 3/19/2023 1:40 PM, Jackie wrote:
Travis, if you have a gaming keyboard, there are often extra keys, |
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Wired keyboards, and fully functional ones, are available dirt cheap at virtually any thrift shop you walk into. It's worth having one just for doing diagnostic testing when stuff like this comes up to try to rule out or rule in issues with your primary keyboard.
I keep two in the trunk of my car, which I bought for less than $2.50 each, so if I'm at a client site and something seems to be wrong that might be keyboard related I have a spare to use for checking. [Yes, I did test them immediately after purchase to make sure they didn't have any bad keys. At that price, if they did, I consider it a donation and pitch the keyboard.] -- Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit It is much easier to be critical than to be correct. ~ Benjamin Disraeli, 1804-1881 |
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Jackie
Travis, they all differ. My disable windows key is the 3rd one on the
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left, pretty much under the f1 key. Unfortunately, most of these don't announce their functions via the screen reader's input help facility. Some do, however, so it might be worth doing that w/the keys to see if any are announced and therefore which ones you can eliminate. You could likely try pressing them 1 by 1 & then trying the Windows key. If 1 mutes your screen reader, then by doing it that way you know which key you pressed and can easily toggle it again. you might also want to make sure 1 of those key presses doesn't turn off your wifi, though that's not as likely w/a gaming keyboard, since most games require being online. That's the last I'll say on this topic, as it's likely straying fairly far afield from NVDA. On 3/19/23, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
Wired keyboards, and fully functional ones, are available dirt cheap at --
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Oh this again. I have to say that what I ended up doing was to get a normal wireless keyboard and mouse, and when they got installed as an HID, I found all the problems vanished. I do not have 11 though, but certainly the same things happen on10 and 7 when you have a gaming keyboard. I guess for some keyboards you might need to uninstall their custom software, depending on how they implement the keyboard changes. If its drivers then changing the keyboard merely turns them off in favour of the detected new device.
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With regard to restarts. Yes I got burned very early on with hibernate on Windows 7. I got the feeling that the management of the image it saved was faulty, either it did not save the cached stuff or it corrupted the data. One might have thought they might have fixed it by now. Laptops seem to suffer this a lot as folk just close the lid and put into a kind of sleep mode. Brian -- bglists@... Sent via blueyonder.(Virgin media) Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Travis Siegel" <tsiegel@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2023 5:52 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Com Registration Tool Breaking Alt-Tab? oh, interesting. That could well be my problem. I do indeed have a gaming keyboard. It was free, so I didn't complain. It has an extra large front piece (like where a mouse or track ball would go, only none is present), but that allows me to keep the keyboard on my lap, and still have a wrist guard (sort of). I can't use the extra keys, since they're programmed to do things I don't need/want, but the software that redefines them isn't accessible, I've just left them alone and dealt with the issues. Nice to know it's the keyboard, and not the windows install, thought something happened to it. Thanks for that bit of information, it explains a lot. On 3/19/2023 1:40 PM, Jackie wrote: Travis, if you have a gaming keyboard, there are often extra keys, |
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Gene
You don't say how long you used hibernate or sleep before you
started having problems. I'm not saying there will never be a
problem when first using hibernate or sleep, but in general, you
should be able to use it without problems or without problems that
amount to anything if you completely restart Windows from time to
time, How long, I don't know. If you don't have fast boot on, you
can shut down and boot. If you do have it on, you should do a
restart from time to time because that completely shuts down the
system and restarts it, whether fast boot is on or not.
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Your message is worded so as to state that you think hibernate doesn't work properly and perhaps sleep as well in general, even if you do what I described. It sounds as though you had problems on a first use of sleep or hibernate. If that is what you are saying, it is not a proper generalization. You can not generalize about a performance problem based on one or two computers. Saying you have had this problem is fine. Generalizing with no evidence, is incorrect. Gene On 3/20/2023 5:26 AM, Brian's Mail list
account via groups.io wrote:
Oh this again. I have to say that what I ended up doing was to get a normal wireless keyboard and mouse, and when they got installed as an HID, I found all the problems vanished. I do not have 11 though, but certainly the same things happen on10 and 7 when you have a gaming keyboard. I guess for some keyboards you might need to uninstall their custom software, depending on how they implement the keyboard changes. If its drivers then changing the keyboard merely turns them off in favour of the detected new device. |
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Have had a wireless keyboard brake on me with stuck keys so it is not a fix, at all in fact. It happens on my wired and wireless keyboards and at random too, Well now not so much anymore.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via groups.io Sent: Monday, March 20, 2023 3:26 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Com Registration Tool Breaking Alt-Tab? Oh this again. I have to say that what I ended up doing was to get a normal wireless keyboard and mouse, and when they got installed as an HID, I found all the problems vanished. I do not have 11 though, but certainly the same things happen on10 and 7 when you have a gaming keyboard. I guess for some keyboards you might need to uninstall their custom software, depending on how they implement the keyboard changes. If its drivers then changing the keyboard merely turns them off in favour of the detected new device. With regard to restarts. Yes I got burned very early on with hibernate on Windows 7. I got the feeling that the management of the image it saved was faulty, either it did not save the cached stuff or it corrupted the data. One might have thought they might have fixed it by now. Laptops seem to suffer this a lot as folk just close the lid and put into a kind of sleep mode. Brian -- bglists@... Sent via blueyonder.(Virgin media) Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Siegel" <tsiegel@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2023 5:52 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Com Registration Tool Breaking Alt-Tab? oh, interesting. That could well be my problem. I do indeed have a gaming keyboard. It was free, so I didn't complain. It has an extra large front piece (like where a mouse or track ball would go, only none is present), but that allows me to keep the keyboard on my lap, and still have a wrist guard (sort of). I can't use the extra keys, since they're programmed to do things I don't need/want, but the software that redefines them isn't accessible, I've just left them alone and dealt with the issues. Nice to know it's the keyboard, and not the windows install, thought something happened to it. Thanks for that bit of information, it explains a lot. On 3/19/2023 1:40 PM, Jackie wrote: Travis, if you have a gaming keyboard, there are often extra keys, -- ---------- Sarah Alawami, owner of flying Blind. Visit my website ( http://flyingblind.us ) to read my story. Windows 11 22H2 (x64) build 22621.963 NVDA Version: 2022.3.3 Microsoft 365 MSO (Version 2211 Build 16.0.15831.20098) 64-bit |
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On Mon, Mar 20, 2023 at 10:54 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Have had a wireless keyboard brake on me with stuck keys so it is not a fix, at all in fact.- True. Any keyboard, wired or wireless, can develop stuck keys. That being said, trying another known good keyboard, regardless of whether wired or wireless, is the best diagnostic and, if a given keyboard is permanently screwed up, fix as well. -- Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit It is much easier to be critical than to be correct. ~ Benjamin Disraeli, 1804-1881 |
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On Mon, Mar 20, 2023 at 09:41 AM, Gene wrote:
sleep or hibernate- And to be clear, sleep and hibernate are not the same thing, either. Sleep puts the computer into a very low power state that keeps the system state and user state alive, in memory, with no need for a hibernation file to be reloaded from disk when you wake it up. Hibernation writes out a file to disk, the computer is shut down entirely but with a trigger set so that it reloads the state of the system from that file when it is next powered up. -- Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit It is much easier to be critical than to be correct. ~ Benjamin Disraeli, 1804-1881 |
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Dave Grossoehme
Jean it has been recommended to turn off fast start up every since win10. The computer needs to be completely shut down from time to time. Brian has even specified this in prior messages. When Fast Start Up is on the computer is not completely shut down, which does not clear everything out of the system. Of which does not help the problems that have come up in the past. Doing a restart does not clear memory. In which case Tempt Files bog the system down more. Dave
On 3/20/2023 9:41 AM, Gene wrote:
You don't say how long you used hibernate or sleep before you started having problems. I'm not saying there will never be a problem when first using hibernate or sleep, but in general, you should be able to use it without problems or without problems that amount to anything if you completely restart Windows from time to time, How long, I don't know. If you don't have fast boot on, you can shut down and boot. If you do have it on, you should do a restart from time to time because that completely shuts down the system and restarts it, whether fast boot is on or not. |
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Gene
I'm sorry, but you are wrong about doing a restart. Doing a restart
completely clears everything and reboots the computer and, if
someone uses fast boot, should be done from time to time.
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Also, you didn't read the message I was responding to or you didn't read it carefully. I did not say I had problems with sleep or hibernate. I said that if you use sleep or hibernate, you should either do a restart or a complete shutdown from time to time. If you have fast boot enabled, you should do a quick start because fast boot doesn't fully close Windows and problems may result over time. That is true whether you use sleep or hibernate or not. If you don't have fast boot enabled, if you use sleep or hibernate and don't shut down fully, you should either make a point of shutting down or doing a restart from time to time. Gene On 3/22/2023 9:20 AM, Dave Grossoehme wrote:
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On Wed, Mar 22, 2023 at 10:20 AM, Dave Grossoehme wrote:
Doing a restart does not clear memory.- Dave, You are incorrect; Gene is correct. I have stated, in detail, many times that using Restart guarantees that the machine sets a self-power-up timer, shuts down completely (yes, completely), and when the timer triggers power up Windows reloads completely from scratch from disk. That's been one of the primary reasons to use Restart after the advent of Fast Startup being the default setting in Windows. Let's not muddy the waters here. -- Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit It is much easier to be critical than to be correct. ~ Benjamin Disraeli, 1804-1881 |
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Dave Grossoehme
Brian I apologize for miss speaking. Dave
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