Favourite add-ons


Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

Hello,

It makes lots of notepad++ functions accessible.
Please see here:
https://github.com/derekriemer/nvda-notepadPlusPlus/releases

regards,
Ralf

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christian Schoepplein
Sent: Mittwoch, 22. August 2018 11:38
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Favourite add-ons

Hej,

what does the Notepad++ plugin do in detail and where can I get it? IIRC I did not see it on the regular addon page...

Cheers and TIA,

Schoepp

On Tue, August 21, 2018 4:37 pm, Ralf Kefferpuetz wrote:
Hello,




My top 12 addOns are:


Application Dictionary


Golden cursor


IdentNav


Input lock


Instant translate


Notepad++


Outlook enhanced


Remote support


SentenceNav


Sonos for Sonos desktop


Speech history


Total Commander enhanced




Best regards,


Ralf




From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sociohack
AC
Sent: Dienstag, 21. August 2018 15:37
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Favourite add-ons




What are the most useful add-ons for you people?
--
Regards,
Sociohack









Rui Fontes
 

Hello!

1 - I agree that a screen reader should not modify the user interface given by the system where it is running;

2 - That should not interfere with the possibility of screen readers make available a alternative user interface, when it is usefull.

3 - Systray list addon was created by me, with the help of Rui Batista, and later modified by Doug Lee.

4 - Why I decided to create it?
4.1 - Most new NVDA users, at least in 2013 in Portugal and Brazil, were old Jaws users and so they were used to it;
4.2 - Sometimes, when you arrow through Systray, after making Windows+B, and you get to the Network icon, the system shows a popup, Network flyout or something like that, and make unusable the systray that way...;

5 - So, for me, the ideological reason is not valid, since the screen reader is not changing the user interface, but only giving anorther way to do the same...

6 - Regarding the announcement of copy, cut and paste, here I can understand the ideological reason, since the operating system do not announce it in some cases...

6.1 - The system never announces the fact of something being copied to the clipboard;
6.2 - When something is cutted, a visual information is given, since the text or file is gone, and NVDA not always give that information to us;
6.3 - When something is pasted, again, some visual information is given, but not always NVDA announce it...

7 - So, for me, the ideological reason only will be valid when NVDA give us the same information given visually.

8 - Untill that, I will defend the announcement of copy, cut and paste, making all efforts to gave a correct information, but when it will not be possible to be sure the operation was performed, giving us the information not confirmed...

Regards,

Rui Fontes
NVDA portuguese team



Às 11:14 de 22/08/2018, Gene escreveu:

Here is a correction to my last message.
I said that one reason that copy, cut and paste aren't announced is the ideological one I discussed.  That may be incorrect.  I read two discussions of this when users requested the feature that are available on Ghithub.  I didn't see the ideological reason given.  Instead, the mistaken belief was expressed that it can't be known reliably except in certain cases, when copying, pasting, and cutting occur. this is factually incorrect yet it was believed by the developers for most of the years NVDA has been under development.  I don't know what the developers believe now.
The argument was that NVDA would have to be programmed to announce copy, paste, and cut when the commands were given without any knowledge of whether the actions were actually taken.  So the screen-reader would give false information if something prevented the operations from occurring.
As the developer of the add on has demonstrated and as I did in my tests, this belief is incorrect and I strongly believe that since the belief has been disproven, that the feature should either be placed in code or that the add on be distributed and active as part of the installation. I don't care which solution would be adopted.
Gene
----- original Message -----
*From:* Gene <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>
*Sent:* Wednesday, August 22, 2018 4:49 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Favourite add-ons
This message is rather long.  I hope you find it interesting and provocative of thought.
Rarely, one of the icons doesn't work as expect in the system tray. I don't remember what now, but I couldn't do something in the system tray I should have been able to do but I could in the system tray dialog.
Aside from that, while it wouldn't be a major problem or inconvenience to accustom myself to the system tray interface for regular use, why should I have to?  The dialog has been standard in screen-readers since Windows 98.  Why wasn't it included in NVDA?  As far as I know, this was for ideological reasons, and ideology defeated common sense and a reasonable accomodation to something that had been available for so long that it is now the standard.
the reason there was a separate system tray dialog in the first place is that the system tray wasn't accessible in Windows 98.  And when the system tray dialog was instituted, a lot of people were still using Windows 95, where the system tray was also inaccessible.  So the dialog started as a way to use an inaccessible feature, not as a redundancy.
The ideological principle is that screen-readers should never unless really necessary, present anything that isn't presented to the sighted user in a different format or manner or present any additional information.
While I generally agree with this approach, ideology, strictly adhered to to the point of absurdity, always fails to deal with reality or common sense.
New users to NVDA should not have to wait until they, maybe, learn about add ons to have a feature that has been standard in screen-readers for twenty years.
And it was partly the same ideological rigidity that caused the copy and paste announcements not to be heard in NVDA and I object for the same reasons.  At least make the add ons part of the installation if they aren't added to the code.  Window-eyes for years, had add ons as part of the installation of the program.  This is nothing radical.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Clare Page <mailto:clare.page@wanadoo.fr>
*Sent:* Wednesday, August 22, 2018 4:17 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Favourite add-ons
Hi!
I find the Clipspeak add-on very useful, because without it there is no announcement of when copying and cutting and pasting has been done;
As for the system tray add-on, I hope you don’t mind me asking, but why do you need this add-on, and consider it as essential, when the system tray is perfectly usable without it? I’m not criticizing, just curious as to why you consider it a necessary add-on and think it should be part of NVDA, when NVDA can easily read the system tray on its own?
Bye for now!
From Clare
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Gene
*Sent:* mardi 21 août 2018 16:04
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Favourite add-ons
I don't use many add ons because the way I use my computer, I don't benefit from most of them. But the two I use regularly and I consider important enough that they shouldn't be add ons is Clip Speak, which announces copy and past when you copy to and past from the clipboard, and the system tray dialog add on.  The system tray dialog has been a standard part of screen-readers since Windows 2008. It should be included in NVDA itself but it isn't.
As for Clipp Speak, I don't know if there is a new version that solves these problems.  the original version caused some problems in Word and it caused a problem in the Youtube downloader I use even though I wasn't directly using the add on. So, if you see strange problems you didn't have before, even if they seem unrelated to anything you would expect the add on to cause, try disabling them and see if the problem disappears.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:*Sociohack AC <mailto:acsociopath@gmail.com>
*Sent:*Tuesday, August 21, 2018 8:37 AM
*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:*[nvda] Favourite add-ons
What are the most useful add-ons for you people?
--
Regards,
Sociohack


 

Can I have the link for Total Commander enhanced?


On 8/21/2018 10:37, Ralf Kefferpuetz wrote:

Hello,

 

My top 12 addOns are:

Application Dictionary

Golden cursor

IdentNav

Input lock

Instant translate

Notepad++

Outlook enhanced

Remote support

SentenceNav

Sonos for Sonos desktop

Speech history

Total Commander enhanced

 

Best regards,

  Ralf

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sociohack AC
Sent: Dienstag, 21. August 2018 15:37
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Favourite add-ons

 

What are the most useful add-ons for you people?
--
Regards,
Sociohack



Gene
 

Not only JAWS has a system tray dialog.  Window-eyes had one and System Access had one.  I don't know about Dolphin (spelling but I wouldn't be surprised. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Rui Fontes
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2018 7:09 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Favourite add-ons

Hello!

1 - I agree that a screen reader should not modify the user interface
given by the system where it is running;

2 - That should not interfere with the possibility of screen readers
make available a alternative user interface, when it is usefull.

3 - Systray list addon was created by me, with the help of Rui Batista,
and later modified by Doug Lee.

4 - Why I decided to create it?
4.1 - Most new NVDA users, at least in 2013 in Portugal and Brazil, were
old Jaws users and so they were used to it;
4.2 - Sometimes, when you arrow through Systray, after making Windows+B,
and you get to the Network icon, the system shows a popup, Network
flyout or something like that, and make unusable the systray that way...;

5 - So, for me, the ideological reason is not valid, since the screen
reader is not changing the user interface, but only giving anorther way
to do the same...

6 - Regarding the announcement of copy, cut and paste, here I can
understand the ideological reason, since the operating system do not
announce it in some cases...

6.1 - The system never announces the fact of something being copied to
the clipboard;
6.2 - When something is cutted, a visual information is given, since the
text or file is gone, and NVDA not always give that information to us;
6.3 - When something is pasted, again, some visual information is given,
but not always NVDA announce it...

7 - So, for me, the ideological reason only will  be valid when NVDA
give us the same information given visually.

8 - Untill that, I will defend the announcement of copy, cut and paste,
making all efforts to gave a correct information, but when it will not
be possible to be sure the operation was performed, giving us the
information not confirmed...

Regards,

Rui Fontes
NVDA portuguese team



Às 11:14 de 22/08/2018, Gene escreveu:
> Here is a correction to my last message.
> I said that one reason that copy, cut and paste aren't announced is the
> ideological one I discussed.  That may be incorrect.  I read two
> discussions of this when users requested the feature that are available
> on Ghithub.  I didn't see the ideological reason given.  Instead, the
> mistaken belief was expressed that it can't be known reliably except in
> certain cases, when copying, pasting, and cutting occur. this is
> factually incorrect yet it was believed by the developers for most of
> the years NVDA has been under development.  I don't know what the
> developers believe now.
> The argument was that NVDA would have to be programmed to announce copy,
> paste, and cut when the commands were given without any knowledge of
> whether the actions were actually taken.  So the screen-reader would
> give false information if something prevented the operations from
> occurring.
> As the developer of the add on has demonstrated and as I did in my
> tests, this belief is incorrect and I strongly believe that since the
> belief has been disproven, that the feature should either be placed in
> code or that the add on be distributed and active as part of the
> installation. I don't care which solution would be adopted.
> Gene
> ----- original Message -----
> *From:* Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 22, 2018 4:49 AM
> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Favourite add-ons
>
> This message is rather long.  I hope you find it interesting and
> provocative of thought.
> Rarely, one of the icons doesn't work as expect in the system tray. I
> don't remember what now, but I couldn't do something in the system tray
> I should have been able to do but I could in the system tray dialog.
> Aside from that, while it wouldn't be a major problem or inconvenience
> to accustom myself to the system tray interface for regular use, why
> should I have to?  The dialog has been standard in screen-readers since
> Windows 98.  Why wasn't it included in NVDA?  As far as I know, this was
> for ideological reasons, and ideology defeated common sense and a
> reasonable accomodation to something that had been available for so long
> that it is now the standard.
> the reason there was a separate system tray dialog in the first place is
> that the system tray wasn't accessible in Windows 98.  And when the
> system tray dialog was instituted, a lot of people were still using
> Windows 95, where the system tray was also inaccessible.  So the dialog
> started as a way to use an inaccessible feature, not as a redundancy.
> The ideological principle is that screen-readers should never unless
> really necessary, present anything that isn't presented to the sighted
> user in a different format or manner or present any additional information.
> While I generally agree with this approach, ideology, strictly adhered
> to to the point of absurdity, always fails to deal with reality or
> common sense.
> New users to NVDA should not have to wait until they, maybe, learn about
> add ons to have a feature that has been standard in screen-readers for
> twenty years.
> And it was partly the same ideological rigidity that caused the copy and
> paste announcements not to be heard in NVDA and I object for the same
> reasons.  At least make the add ons part of the installation if they
> aren't added to the code.  Window-eyes for years, had add ons as part of
> the installation of the program.  This is nothing radical.
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Clare Page <mailto:clare.page@...>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 22, 2018 4:17 AM
> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Favourite add-ons
>
> Hi!
>
> I find the Clipspeak add-on very useful, because without it there is no
> announcement of when copying and cutting and pasting has been done;
>
> As for the system tray add-on, I hope you don’t mind me asking, but why
> do you need this add-on, and consider it as essential, when the system
> tray is perfectly usable without it? I’m not criticizing, just curious
> as to why you consider it a necessary add-on and think it should be part
> of NVDA, when NVDA can easily read the system tray on its own?
>
> Bye for now!
>
>  From Clare
>
> *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Gene
> *Sent:* mardi 21 août 2018 16:04
> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Favourite add-ons
>
> I don't use many add ons because the way I use my computer, I don't
> benefit from most of them. But the two I use regularly and I consider
> important enough that they shouldn't be add ons is Clip Speak, which
> announces copy and past when you copy to and past from the clipboard,
> and the system tray dialog add on.  The system tray dialog has been a
> standard part of screen-readers since Windows 2008. It should be
> included in NVDA itself but it isn't.
>
> As for Clipp Speak, I don't know if there is a new version that solves
> these problems.  the original version caused some problems in Word and
> it caused a problem in the Youtube downloader I use even though I wasn't
> directly using the add on. So, if you see strange problems you didn't
> have before, even if they seem unrelated to anything you would expect
> the add on to cause, try disabling them and see if the problem disappears.
>
> Gene
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:*Sociohack AC <mailto:acsociopath@...>
>
> *Sent:*Tuesday, August 21, 2018 8:37 AM
>
> *To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>
> *Subject:*[nvda] Favourite add-ons
>
> What are the most useful add-ons for you people?
> --
> Regards,
> Sociohack
>
>



Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Noah Carver via Groups.Io
Sent: Mittwoch, 22. August 2018 14:35
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Favourite add-ons

 

Can I have the link for Total Commander enhanced?

 

On 8/21/2018 10:37, Ralf Kefferpuetz wrote:

Hello,

 

My top 12 addOns are:

Application Dictionary

Golden cursor

IdentNav

Input lock

Instant translate

Notepad++

Outlook enhanced

Remote support

SentenceNav

Sonos for Sonos desktop

Speech history

Total Commander enhanced

 

Best regards,

  Ralf

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sociohack AC
Sent: Dienstag, 21. August 2018 15:37
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Favourite add-ons

 

What are the most useful add-ons for you people?
--
Regards,
Sociohack

 


 

Hi,
Correction: Joseph Lee, not Doug Lee.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rui Fontes
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2018 5:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Favourite add-ons

Hello!

1 - I agree that a screen reader should not modify the user interface given by the system where it is running;

2 - That should not interfere with the possibility of screen readers make available a alternative user interface, when it is usefull.

3 - Systray list addon was created by me, with the help of Rui Batista, and later modified by Doug Lee.

4 - Why I decided to create it?
4.1 - Most new NVDA users, at least in 2013 in Portugal and Brazil, were old Jaws users and so they were used to it;
4.2 - Sometimes, when you arrow through Systray, after making Windows+B, and you get to the Network icon, the system shows a popup, Network flyout or something like that, and make unusable the systray that way...;

5 - So, for me, the ideological reason is not valid, since the screen reader is not changing the user interface, but only giving anorther way to do the same...

6 - Regarding the announcement of copy, cut and paste, here I can understand the ideological reason, since the operating system do not announce it in some cases...

6.1 - The system never announces the fact of something being copied to the clipboard;
6.2 - When something is cutted, a visual information is given, since the text or file is gone, and NVDA not always give that information to us;
6.3 - When something is pasted, again, some visual information is given, but not always NVDA announce it...

7 - So, for me, the ideological reason only will be valid when NVDA give us the same information given visually.

8 - Untill that, I will defend the announcement of copy, cut and paste, making all efforts to gave a correct information, but when it will not be possible to be sure the operation was performed, giving us the information not confirmed...

Regards,

Rui Fontes
NVDA portuguese team



Às 11:14 de 22/08/2018, Gene escreveu:
Here is a correction to my last message.
I said that one reason that copy, cut and paste aren't announced is
the ideological one I discussed. That may be incorrect. I read two
discussions of this when users requested the feature that are
available on Ghithub. I didn't see the ideological reason given.
Instead, the mistaken belief was expressed that it can't be known
reliably except in certain cases, when copying, pasting, and cutting
occur. this is factually incorrect yet it was believed by the
developers for most of the years NVDA has been under development. I
don't know what the developers believe now.
The argument was that NVDA would have to be programmed to announce
copy, paste, and cut when the commands were given without any
knowledge of whether the actions were actually taken. So the
screen-reader would give false information if something prevented the
operations from occurring.
As the developer of the add on has demonstrated and as I did in my
tests, this belief is incorrect and I strongly believe that since the
belief has been disproven, that the feature should either be placed in
code or that the add on be distributed and active as part of the
installation. I don't care which solution would be adopted.
Gene
----- original Message -----
*From:* Gene <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>
*Sent:* Wednesday, August 22, 2018 4:49 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Favourite add-ons

This message is rather long. I hope you find it interesting and
provocative of thought.
Rarely, one of the icons doesn't work as expect in the system tray. I
don't remember what now, but I couldn't do something in the system
tray I should have been able to do but I could in the system tray dialog.
Aside from that, while it wouldn't be a major problem or inconvenience
to accustom myself to the system tray interface for regular use, why
should I have to? The dialog has been standard in screen-readers
since Windows 98. Why wasn't it included in NVDA? As far as I know,
this was for ideological reasons, and ideology defeated common sense
and a reasonable accomodation to something that had been available for
so long that it is now the standard.
the reason there was a separate system tray dialog in the first place
is that the system tray wasn't accessible in Windows 98. And when the
system tray dialog was instituted, a lot of people were still using
Windows 95, where the system tray was also inaccessible. So the
dialog started as a way to use an inaccessible feature, not as a redundancy.
The ideological principle is that screen-readers should never unless
really necessary, present anything that isn't presented to the sighted
user in a different format or manner or present any additional information.
While I generally agree with this approach, ideology, strictly adhered
to to the point of absurdity, always fails to deal with reality or
common sense.
New users to NVDA should not have to wait until they, maybe, learn
about add ons to have a feature that has been standard in
screen-readers for twenty years.
And it was partly the same ideological rigidity that caused the copy
and paste announcements not to be heard in NVDA and I object for the
same reasons. At least make the add ons part of the installation if
they aren't added to the code. Window-eyes for years, had add ons as
part of the installation of the program. This is nothing radical.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Clare Page <mailto:clare.page@wanadoo.fr>
*Sent:* Wednesday, August 22, 2018 4:17 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Favourite add-ons

Hi!

I find the Clipspeak add-on very useful, because without it there is
no announcement of when copying and cutting and pasting has been done;

As for the system tray add-on, I hope you don’t mind me asking, but
why do you need this add-on, and consider it as essential, when the
system tray is perfectly usable without it? I’m not criticizing, just
curious as to why you consider it a necessary add-on and think it
should be part of NVDA, when NVDA can easily read the system tray on its own?

Bye for now!

From Clare

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
*Gene
*Sent:* mardi 21 août 2018 16:04
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Favourite add-ons

I don't use many add ons because the way I use my computer, I don't
benefit from most of them. But the two I use regularly and I consider
important enough that they shouldn't be add ons is Clip Speak, which
announces copy and past when you copy to and past from the clipboard,
and the system tray dialog add on. The system tray dialog has been a
standard part of screen-readers since Windows 2008. It should be
included in NVDA itself but it isn't.

As for Clipp Speak, I don't know if there is a new version that solves
these problems. the original version caused some problems in Word and
it caused a problem in the Youtube downloader I use even though I
wasn't directly using the add on. So, if you see strange problems you
didn't have before, even if they seem unrelated to anything you would
expect the add on to cause, try disabling them and see if the problem disappears.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

*From:*Sociohack AC <mailto:acsociopath@gmail.com>

*Sent:*Tuesday, August 21, 2018 8:37 AM

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*[nvda] Favourite add-ons

What are the most useful add-ons for you people?
--
Regards,
Sociohack


Chris Mullins
 

Hi

I use the Clipspeak add on and although the cut, copy and paste functions work OK when I use Control+y in MS Outlook to open the folder list, “Re-Do” is voiced by the add-on even though a Re-Do operation has not been performed.  Similarly, Control+z can be pressed and “Un-Do” is voiced in contexts where it is not a viable keystroke.  This makes me think the keystroke is voiced irrespective of the success/failure of the function it performs.             .,  ,      

 

I am happy to use the add-on as I believe its pros outweigh it’s cons and so long as people are aware of it’s foibles, it’s a useful tool.

 

 

Cheers

Chris

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 22 August 2018 11:14
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Favourite add-ons

 

Here is a correction to my last message. 

 

I said that one reason that copy, cut and paste aren't announced is the ideological one I discussed.  That may be incorrect.  I read two discussions of this when users requested the feature that are available on Ghithub.  I didn't see the ideological reason given.  Instead, the mistaken belief was expressed that it can't be known reliably except in certain cases, when copying, pasting, and cutting occur. this is factually incorrect yet it was believed by the developers for most of the years NVDA has been under development.  I don't know what the developers believe now. 

 

The argument was that NVDA would have to be programmed to announce copy, paste, and cut when the commands were given without any knowledge of whether the actions were actually taken.  So the screen-reader would give false information if something prevented the operations from occurring. 

 

As the developer of the add on has demonstrated and as I did in my tests, this belief is incorrect and I strongly believe that since the belief has been disproven, that the feature should either be placed in code or that the add on be distributed and active as part of the installation.  I don't care which solution would be adopted.

 

Gene

----- original Message -----

From: Gene

Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2018 4:49 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Favourite add-ons

 

This message is rather long.  I hope you find it interesting and provocative of thought.

 

Rarely, one of the icons doesn't work as expect in the system tray. I don't remember what now, but I couldn't do something in the system tray I should have been able to do but I could in the system tray dialog. 

 

Aside from that, while it wouldn't be a major problem or inconvenience to accustom myself to the system tray interface for regular use, why should I have to?  The dialog has been standard in screen-readers since Windows 98.  Why wasn't it included in NVDA?  As far as I know, this was for ideological reasons, and ideology defeated common sense and a reasonable accomodation to something that had been available for so long that it is now the standard. 

 

the reason there was a separate system tray dialog in the first place is that the system tray wasn't accessible in Windows 98.  And when the system tray dialog was instituted, a lot of people were still using Windows 95, where the system tray was also inaccessible.  So the dialog started as a way to use an inaccessible feature, not as a redundancy. 

 

The ideological principle is that screen-readers should never unless really necessary, present anything that isn't presented to the sighted user in a different format or manner or present any additional information. 

 

While I generally agree with this approach, ideology, strictly adhered to to the point of absurdity, always fails to deal with reality or common sense. 

 

New users to NVDA should not have to wait until they, maybe, learn about add ons to have a feature that has been standard in screen-readers for twenty years. 

 

And it was partly the same ideological rigidity that caused the copy and paste announcements not to be heard in NVDA and I object for the same reasons.  At least make the add ons part of the installation if they aren't added to the code.  Window-eyes for years, had add ons as part of the installation of the program.  This is nothing radical. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Clare Page

Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2018 4:17 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Favourite add-ons

 

Hi!

I find the Clipspeak add-on very useful, because without it there is no announcement of when copying and cutting and pasting has been done;

As for the system tray add-on, I hope you don’t mind me asking, but why do you need this add-on, and consider it as essential, when the system tray is perfectly usable without it? I’m not criticizing, just curious as to why you consider it a necessary add-on and think it should be part of NVDA, when NVDA can easily read the system tray on its own?

Bye for now!

From Clare

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: mardi 21 août 2018 16:04
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Favourite add-ons

 

I don't use many add ons because the way I use my computer, I don't benefit from most of them.  But the two I use regularly and I consider important enough that they shouldn't be add ons is Clip Speak, which announces copy and past when you copy to and past from the clipboard, and the system tray dialog add on.  The system tray dialog has been a standard part of screen-readers since Windows 2008.  It should be included in NVDA itself but it isn't.

 

As for Clipp Speak, I don't know if there is a new version that solves these problems.  the original version caused some problems in Word and it caused a problem in the Youtube downloader I use even though I wasn't directly using the add on.  So, if you see strange problems you didn't have before, even if they seem unrelated to anything you would expect the add on to cause, try disabling them and see if the problem disappears.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2018 8:37 AM

Subject: [nvda] Favourite add-ons

 

What are the most useful add-ons for you people?
--
Regards,
Sociohack


Rui Fontes
 

Yes! Sorry Joseph!

Rui Fontes


Às 15:17 de 22/08/2018, Joseph Lee escreveu:

Hi,
Correction: Joseph Lee, not Doug Lee.
Cheers,
Joseph
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rui Fontes
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2018 5:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Favourite add-ons
Hello!
1 - I agree that a screen reader should not modify the user interface given by the system where it is running;
2 - That should not interfere with the possibility of screen readers make available a alternative user interface, when it is usefull.
3 - Systray list addon was created by me, with the help of Rui Batista, and later modified by Doug Lee.
4 - Why I decided to create it?
4.1 - Most new NVDA users, at least in 2013 in Portugal and Brazil, were old Jaws users and so they were used to it;
4.2 - Sometimes, when you arrow through Systray, after making Windows+B, and you get to the Network icon, the system shows a popup, Network flyout or something like that, and make unusable the systray that way...;
5 - So, for me, the ideological reason is not valid, since the screen reader is not changing the user interface, but only giving anorther way to do the same...
6 - Regarding the announcement of copy, cut and paste, here I can understand the ideological reason, since the operating system do not announce it in some cases...
6.1 - The system never announces the fact of something being copied to the clipboard;
6.2 - When something is cutted, a visual information is given, since the text or file is gone, and NVDA not always give that information to us;
6.3 - When something is pasted, again, some visual information is given, but not always NVDA announce it...
7 - So, for me, the ideological reason only will be valid when NVDA give us the same information given visually.
8 - Untill that, I will defend the announcement of copy, cut and paste, making all efforts to gave a correct information, but when it will not be possible to be sure the operation was performed, giving us the information not confirmed...
Regards,
Rui Fontes
NVDA portuguese team
Às 11:14 de 22/08/2018, Gene escreveu:
Here is a correction to my last message.
I said that one reason that copy, cut and paste aren't announced is
the ideological one I discussed. That may be incorrect. I read two
discussions of this when users requested the feature that are
available on Ghithub. I didn't see the ideological reason given.
Instead, the mistaken belief was expressed that it can't be known
reliably except in certain cases, when copying, pasting, and cutting
occur. this is factually incorrect yet it was believed by the
developers for most of the years NVDA has been under development. I
don't know what the developers believe now.
The argument was that NVDA would have to be programmed to announce
copy, paste, and cut when the commands were given without any
knowledge of whether the actions were actually taken. So the
screen-reader would give false information if something prevented the
operations from occurring.
As the developer of the add on has demonstrated and as I did in my
tests, this belief is incorrect and I strongly believe that since the
belief has been disproven, that the feature should either be placed in
code or that the add on be distributed and active as part of the
installation. I don't care which solution would be adopted.
Gene
----- original Message -----
*From:* Gene <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>
*Sent:* Wednesday, August 22, 2018 4:49 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Favourite add-ons

This message is rather long. I hope you find it interesting and
provocative of thought.
Rarely, one of the icons doesn't work as expect in the system tray. I
don't remember what now, but I couldn't do something in the system
tray I should have been able to do but I could in the system tray dialog.
Aside from that, while it wouldn't be a major problem or inconvenience
to accustom myself to the system tray interface for regular use, why
should I have to? The dialog has been standard in screen-readers
since Windows 98. Why wasn't it included in NVDA? As far as I know,
this was for ideological reasons, and ideology defeated common sense
and a reasonable accomodation to something that had been available for
so long that it is now the standard.
the reason there was a separate system tray dialog in the first place
is that the system tray wasn't accessible in Windows 98. And when the
system tray dialog was instituted, a lot of people were still using
Windows 95, where the system tray was also inaccessible. So the
dialog started as a way to use an inaccessible feature, not as a redundancy.
The ideological principle is that screen-readers should never unless
really necessary, present anything that isn't presented to the sighted
user in a different format or manner or present any additional information.
While I generally agree with this approach, ideology, strictly adhered
to to the point of absurdity, always fails to deal with reality or
common sense.
New users to NVDA should not have to wait until they, maybe, learn
about add ons to have a feature that has been standard in
screen-readers for twenty years.
And it was partly the same ideological rigidity that caused the copy
and paste announcements not to be heard in NVDA and I object for the
same reasons. At least make the add ons part of the installation if
they aren't added to the code. Window-eyes for years, had add ons as
part of the installation of the program. This is nothing radical.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Clare Page <mailto:clare.page@wanadoo.fr>
*Sent:* Wednesday, August 22, 2018 4:17 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Favourite add-ons

Hi!

I find the Clipspeak add-on very useful, because without it there is
no announcement of when copying and cutting and pasting has been done;

As for the system tray add-on, I hope you don’t mind me asking, but
why do you need this add-on, and consider it as essential, when the
system tray is perfectly usable without it? I’m not criticizing, just
curious as to why you consider it a necessary add-on and think it
should be part of NVDA, when NVDA can easily read the system tray on its own?

Bye for now!

From Clare

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
*Gene
*Sent:* mardi 21 août 2018 16:04
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Favourite add-ons

I don't use many add ons because the way I use my computer, I don't
benefit from most of them. But the two I use regularly and I consider
important enough that they shouldn't be add ons is Clip Speak, which
announces copy and past when you copy to and past from the clipboard,
and the system tray dialog add on. The system tray dialog has been a
standard part of screen-readers since Windows 2008. It should be
included in NVDA itself but it isn't.

As for Clipp Speak, I don't know if there is a new version that solves
these problems. the original version caused some problems in Word and
it caused a problem in the Youtube downloader I use even though I
wasn't directly using the add on. So, if you see strange problems you
didn't have before, even if they seem unrelated to anything you would
expect the add on to cause, try disabling them and see if the problem disappears.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

*From:*Sociohack AC <mailto:acsociopath@gmail.com>

*Sent:*Tuesday, August 21, 2018 8:37 AM

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*[nvda] Favourite add-ons

What are the most useful add-ons for you people?
--
Regards,
Sociohack


Rui Fontes
 

Gene, in Portugal NVDA and Jaws are used by almost 100% of the users...
Maybe Supernova, from Dolphin, Zoom Text and fusion, from AiSquared, and Window-Eyes, have around 5% of users...

Regards,

Rui Fontes


Às 14:19 de 22/08/2018, Gene escreveu:

Not only JAWS has a system tray dialog. Window-eyes had one and System Access had one.  I don't know about Dolphin (spelling but I wouldn't be surprised.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Rui Fontes <mailto:rui.fontes@tiflotecnia.com>
*Sent:* Wednesday, August 22, 2018 7:09 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Favourite add-ons
Hello!
1 - I agree that a screen reader should not modify the user interface
given by the system where it is running;
2 - That should not interfere with the possibility of screen readers
make available a alternative user interface, when it is usefull.
3 - Systray list addon was created by me, with the help of Rui Batista,
and later modified by Doug Lee.
4 - Why I decided to create it?
4.1 - Most new NVDA users, at least in 2013 in Portugal and Brazil, were
old Jaws users and so they were used to it;
4.2 - Sometimes, when you arrow through Systray, after making Windows+B,
and you get to the Network icon, the system shows a popup, Network
flyout or something like that, and make unusable the systray that way...;
5 - So, for me, the ideological reason is not valid, since the screen
reader is not changing the user interface, but only giving anorther way
to do the same...
6 - Regarding the announcement of copy, cut and paste, here I can
understand the ideological reason, since the operating system do not
announce it in some cases...
6.1 - The system never announces the fact of something being copied to
the clipboard;
6.2 - When something is cutted, a visual information is given, since the
text or file is gone, and NVDA not always give that information to us;
6.3 - When something is pasted, again, some visual information is given,
but not always NVDA announce it...
7 - So, for me, the ideological reason only will  be valid when NVDA
give us the same information given visually.
8 - Untill that, I will defend the announcement of copy, cut and paste,
making all efforts to gave a correct information, but when it will not
be possible to be sure the operation was performed, giving us the
information not confirmed...
Regards,
Rui Fontes
NVDA portuguese team
Às 11:14 de 22/08/2018, Gene escreveu:
> Here is a correction to my last message.
> I said that one reason that copy, cut and paste aren't announced is the
> ideological one I discussed.  That may be incorrect.  I read two
> discussions of this when users requested the feature that are available
> on Ghithub.  I didn't see the ideological reason given.  Instead, the
> mistaken belief was expressed that it can't be known reliably except in
> certain cases, when copying, pasting, and cutting occur. this is
> factually incorrect yet it was believed by the developers for most of
> the years NVDA has been under development.  I don't know what the
> developers believe now.
> The argument was that NVDA would have to be programmed to announce copy,
> paste, and cut when the commands were given without any knowledge of
> whether the actions were actually taken.  So the screen-reader would
> give false information if something prevented the operations from
> occurring.
> As the developer of the add on has demonstrated and as I did in my
> tests, this belief is incorrect and I strongly believe that since the
> belief has been disproven, that the feature should either be placed in
> code or that the add on be distributed and active as part of the
> installation. I don't care which solution would be adopted.
> Gene
> ----- original Message -----
> *From:* Gene <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 22, 2018 4:49 AM
> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Favourite add-ons
>
> This message is rather long.  I hope you find it interesting and
> provocative of thought.
> Rarely, one of the icons doesn't work as expect in the system tray. I
> don't remember what now, but I couldn't do something in the system tray
> I should have been able to do but I could in the system tray dialog.
> Aside from that, while it wouldn't be a major problem or inconvenience
> to accustom myself to the system tray interface for regular use, why
> should I have to?  The dialog has been standard in screen-readers since
> Windows 98.  Why wasn't it included in NVDA?  As far as I know, this was
> for ideological reasons, and ideology defeated common sense and a
> reasonable accomodation to something that had been available for so long
> that it is now the standard.
> the reason there was a separate system tray dialog in the first place is
> that the system tray wasn't accessible in Windows 98.  And when the
> system tray dialog was instituted, a lot of people were still using
> Windows 95, where the system tray was also inaccessible.  So the dialog
> started as a way to use an inaccessible feature, not as a redundancy.
> The ideological principle is that screen-readers should never unless
> really necessary, present anything that isn't presented to the sighted
> user in a different format or manner or present any additional
information.
> While I generally agree with this approach, ideology, strictly adhered
> to to the point of absurdity, always fails to deal with reality or
> common sense.
> New users to NVDA should not have to wait until they, maybe, learn about
> add ons to have a feature that has been standard in screen-readers for
> twenty years.
> And it was partly the same ideological rigidity that caused the copy and
> paste announcements not to be heard in NVDA and I object for the same
> reasons.  At least make the add ons part of the installation if they
> aren't added to the code.  Window-eyes for years, had add ons as part of
> the installation of the program.  This is nothing radical.
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Clare Page <mailto:clare.page@wanadoo.fr>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 22, 2018 4:17 AM
> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Favourite add-ons
>
> Hi!
>
> I find the Clipspeak add-on very useful, because without it there is no
> announcement of when copying and cutting and pasting has been done;
>
> As for the system tray add-on, I hope you don’t mind me asking, but why
> do you need this add-on, and consider it as essential, when the system
> tray is perfectly usable without it? I’m not criticizing, just curious
> as to why you consider it a necessary add-on and think it should be part
> of NVDA, when NVDA can easily read the system tray on its own?
>
> Bye for now!
>
>  From Clare
>
> *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
*Gene
> *Sent:* mardi 21 août 2018 16:04
> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Favourite add-ons
>
> I don't use many add ons because the way I use my computer, I don't
> benefit from most of them. But the two I use regularly and I consider
> important enough that they shouldn't be add ons is Clip Speak, which
> announces copy and past when you copy to and past from the clipboard,
> and the system tray dialog add on. The system tray dialog has been a
> standard part of screen-readers since Windows 2008. It should be
> included in NVDA itself but it isn't.
>
> As for Clipp Speak, I don't know if there is a new version that solves
> these problems.  the original version caused some problems in Word and
> it caused a problem in the Youtube downloader I use even though I wasn't
> directly using the add on. So, if you see strange problems you didn't
> have before, even if they seem unrelated to anything you would expect
> the add on to cause, try disabling them and see if the problem
disappears.
>
> Gene
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:*Sociohack AC <mailto:acsociopath@gmail.com>
>
> *Sent:*Tuesday, August 21, 2018 8:37 AM
>
> *To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>
> *Subject:*[nvda] Favourite add-ons
>
> What are the most useful add-ons for you people?
> --
> Regards,
> Sociohack
>
>


Gene
 

Those commands, undo and redo are spoken just because the commands are given.  But copy, cut, and paste are usually spoken when the add on is aware that an action has occurred.  I believe there is a newer version of the add on than the one I'm using.  I got it when the add on first came out.  In the version that may now be superceded, I can cause copy text to be spoken at an improper time because of a bug.  If I copy a file to the clipboard from the files list in Windows Explorer, then move to a document where no text is selected and use control c, copy to clipboard will be spoken.  But in general, the notifications are reliable. 
 
You can test this.  Try copying a line of text to the clipboard.  Then, try copying it again.  You will hear "no change" spoken. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2018 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Favourite add-ons

Hi

I use the Clipspeak add on and although the cut, copy and paste functions work OK when I use Control+y in MS Outlook to open the folder list, “Re-Do” is voiced by the add-on even though a Re-Do operation has not been performed.  Similarly, Control+z can be pressed and “Un-Do” is voiced in contexts where it is not a viable keystroke.  This makes me think the keystroke is voiced irrespective of the success/failure of the function it performs.             .,  ,      

 

I am happy to use the add-on as I believe its pros outweigh it’s cons and so long as people are aware of it’s foibles, it’s a useful tool.

 

 

Cheers

Chris

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 22 August 2018 11:14
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Favourite add-ons

 

Here is a correction to my last message. 

 

I said that one reason that copy, cut and paste aren't announced is the ideological one I discussed.  That may be incorrect.  I read two discussions of this when users requested the feature that are available on Ghithub.  I didn't see the ideological reason given.  Instead, the mistaken belief was expressed that it can't be known reliably except in certain cases, when copying, pasting, and cutting occur. this is factually incorrect yet it was believed by the developers for most of the years NVDA has been under development.  I don't know what the developers believe now. 

 

The argument was that NVDA would have to be programmed to announce copy, paste, and cut when the commands were given without any knowledge of whether the actions were actually taken.  So the screen-reader would give false information if something prevented the operations from occurring. 

 

As the developer of the add on has demonstrated and as I did in my tests, this belief is incorrect and I strongly believe that since the belief has been disproven, that the feature should either be placed in code or that the add on be distributed and active as part of the installation.  I don't care which solution would be adopted.

 

Gene

----- original Message -----

From: Gene

Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2018 4:49 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Favourite add-ons

 

This message is rather long.  I hope you find it interesting and provocative of thought.

 

Rarely, one of the icons doesn't work as expect in the system tray. I don't remember what now, but I couldn't do something in the system tray I should have been able to do but I could in the system tray dialog. 

 

Aside from that, while it wouldn't be a major problem or inconvenience to accustom myself to the system tray interface for regular use, why should I have to?  The dialog has been standard in screen-readers since Windows 98.  Why wasn't it included in NVDA?  As far as I know, this was for ideological reasons, and ideology defeated common sense and a reasonable accomodation to something that had been available for so long that it is now the standard. 

 

the reason there was a separate system tray dialog in the first place is that the system tray wasn't accessible in Windows 98.  And when the system tray dialog was instituted, a lot of people were still using Windows 95, where the system tray was also inaccessible.  So the dialog started as a way to use an inaccessible feature, not as a redundancy. 

 

The ideological principle is that screen-readers should never unless really necessary, present anything that isn't presented to the sighted user in a different format or manner or present any additional information. 

 

While I generally agree with this approach, ideology, strictly adhered to to the point of absurdity, always fails to deal with reality or common sense. 

 

New users to NVDA should not have to wait until they, maybe, learn about add ons to have a feature that has been standard in screen-readers for twenty years. 

 

And it was partly the same ideological rigidity that caused the copy and paste announcements not to be heard in NVDA and I object for the same reasons.  At least make the add ons part of the installation if they aren't added to the code.  Window-eyes for years, had add ons as part of the installation of the program.  This is nothing radical. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Clare Page

Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2018 4:17 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Favourite add-ons

 

Hi!

I find the Clipspeak add-on very useful, because without it there is no announcement of when copying and cutting and pasting has been done;

As for the system tray add-on, I hope you don’t mind me asking, but why do you need this add-on, and consider it as essential, when the system tray is perfectly usable without it? I’m not criticizing, just curious as to why you consider it a necessary add-on and think it should be part of NVDA, when NVDA can easily read the system tray on its own?

Bye for now!

From Clare

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: mardi 21 août 2018 16:04
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Favourite add-ons

 

I don't use many add ons because the way I use my computer, I don't benefit from most of them.  But the two I use regularly and I consider important enough that they shouldn't be add ons is Clip Speak, which announces copy and past when you copy to and past from the clipboard, and the system tray dialog add on.  The system tray dialog has been a standard part of screen-readers since Windows 2008.  It should be included in NVDA itself but it isn't.

 

As for Clipp Speak, I don't know if there is a new version that solves these problems.  the original version caused some problems in Word and it caused a problem in the Youtube downloader I use even though I wasn't directly using the add on.  So, if you see strange problems you didn't have before, even if they seem unrelated to anything you would expect the add on to cause, try disabling them and see if the problem disappears.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Sociohack AC

Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2018 8:37 AM

Subject: [nvda] Favourite add-ons

 

What are the most useful add-ons for you people?
--
Regards,
Sociohack


Sarah k Alawami
 

Can that be included in the official add ons list? That woudl be good for those of use that use total commander to manage our android devices.

Take care

On 22 Aug 2018, at 6:35, Ralf Kefferpuetz wrote:

Hello,

 

You’ll find it here:

https://github.com/Novalis7747/totalcmd-enhanced/raw/master/totalcmd-0.6.1.nvda-addon

 

cheers,

  Ralf

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Noah Carver via Groups.Io
Sent: Mittwoch, 22. August 2018 14:35
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Favourite add-ons

 

Can I have the link for Total Commander enhanced?

 

On 8/21/2018 10:37, Ralf Kefferpuetz wrote:

Hello,

 

My top 12 addOns are:

Application Dictionary

Golden cursor

IdentNav

Input lock

Instant translate

Notepad++

Outlook enhanced

Remote support

SentenceNav

Sonos for Sonos desktop

Speech history

Total Commander enhanced

 

Best regards,

  Ralf

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sociohack AC
Sent: Dienstag, 21. August 2018 15:37
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Favourite add-ons

 

What are the most useful add-ons for you people?
--
Regards,
Sociohack

 


Tyler Wood
 

Hi,

I have to ask this.

Why on earth aren't some of these add ons included in the official repo? Some of them sound dead useful.



On 22-Aug-2018 12:59 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Can that be included in the official add ons list? That woudl be good for those of use that use total commander to manage our android devices.

Take care

On 22 Aug 2018, at 6:35, Ralf Kefferpuetz wrote:

Hello,

 

You’ll find it here:

https://github.com/Novalis7747/totalcmd-enhanced/raw/master/totalcmd-0.6.1.nvda-addon

 

cheers,

  Ralf

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Noah Carver via Groups.Io
Sent: Mittwoch, 22. August 2018 14:35
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Favourite add-ons

 

Can I have the link for Total Commander enhanced?

 

On 8/21/2018 10:37, Ralf Kefferpuetz wrote:

Hello,

 

My top 12 addOns are:

Application Dictionary

Golden cursor

IdentNav

Input lock

Instant translate

Notepad++

Outlook enhanced

Remote support

SentenceNav

Sonos for Sonos desktop

Speech history

Total Commander enhanced

 

Best regards,

  Ralf

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sociohack AC
Sent: Dienstag, 21. August 2018 15:37
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Favourite add-ons

 

What are the most useful add-ons for you people?
--
Regards,
Sociohack

 



 

Hi,

Ideally authors should request basic add-on review.

By the way, to Ralph: let me know if you’d like to receive basic review for your add-ons on ad-dons list.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2018 11:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Favourite add-ons

 

Hi,

I have to ask this.

Why on earth aren't some of these add ons included in the official repo? Some of them sound dead useful.

 

 

On 22-Aug-2018 12:59 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Can that be included in the official add ons list? That woudl be good for those of use that use total commander to manage our android devices.

Take care

On 22 Aug 2018, at 6:35, Ralf Kefferpuetz wrote:

Hello,

 

You’ll find it here:

https://github.com/Novalis7747/totalcmd-enhanced/raw/master/totalcmd-0.6.1.nvda-addon

 

cheers,

  Ralf

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Noah Carver via Groups.Io
Sent: Mittwoch, 22. August 2018 14:35
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Favourite add-ons

 

Can I have the link for Total Commander enhanced?

 

On 8/21/2018 10:37, Ralf Kefferpuetz wrote:

Hello,

 

My top 12 addOns are:

Application Dictionary

Golden cursor

IdentNav

Input lock

Instant translate

Notepad++

Outlook enhanced

Remote support

SentenceNav

Sonos for Sonos desktop

Speech history

Total Commander enhanced

 

Best regards,

  Ralf

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sociohack AC
Sent: Dienstag, 21. August 2018 15:37
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Favourite add-ons

 

What are the most useful add-ons for you people?
--
Regards,
Sociohack

 

 


George McCoy <slr1bpz@...>
 

Um ... to get back to the original topic, my favorite add ons are remote support, goldwave, bit_che and golden cursor.

I, for one, would be very interested in seeing what add ons others use as opposed to a discussion about the merit or necessity or lack thereof of systray and slipspeak.

Thanks for reading,
George

-----Original Message-----
From: Rui Fontes
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2018 9:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Favourite add-ons

Yes! Sorry Joseph!

Rui Fontes


Às 15:17 de 22/08/2018, Joseph Lee escreveu:
Hi,
Correction: Joseph Lee, not Doug Lee.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rui Fontes
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2018 5:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Favourite add-ons

Hello!

1 - I agree that a screen reader should not modify the user interface given by the system where it is running;

2 - That should not interfere with the possibility of screen readers make available a alternative user interface, when it is usefull.

3 - Systray list addon was created by me, with the help of Rui Batista, and later modified by Doug Lee.

4 - Why I decided to create it?
4.1 - Most new NVDA users, at least in 2013 in Portugal and Brazil, were old Jaws users and so they were used to it;
4.2 - Sometimes, when you arrow through Systray, after making Windows+B, and you get to the Network icon, the system shows a popup, Network flyout or something like that, and make unusable the systray that way...;

5 - So, for me, the ideological reason is not valid, since the screen reader is not changing the user interface, but only giving anorther way to do the same...

6 - Regarding the announcement of copy, cut and paste, here I can understand the ideological reason, since the operating system do not announce it in some cases...

6.1 - The system never announces the fact of something being copied to the clipboard;
6.2 - When something is cutted, a visual information is given, since the text or file is gone, and NVDA not always give that information to us;
6.3 - When something is pasted, again, some visual information is given, but not always NVDA announce it...

7 - So, for me, the ideological reason only will be valid when NVDA give us the same information given visually.

8 - Untill that, I will defend the announcement of copy, cut and paste, making all efforts to gave a correct information, but when it will not be possible to be sure the operation was performed, giving us the information not confirmed...

Regards,

Rui Fontes
NVDA portuguese team



Às 11:14 de 22/08/2018, Gene escreveu:
Here is a correction to my last message.
I said that one reason that copy, cut and paste aren't announced is
the ideological one I discussed. That may be incorrect. I read two
discussions of this when users requested the feature that are
available on Ghithub. I didn't see the ideological reason given.
Instead, the mistaken belief was expressed that it can't be known
reliably except in certain cases, when copying, pasting, and cutting
occur. this is factually incorrect yet it was believed by the
developers for most of the years NVDA has been under development. I
don't know what the developers believe now.
The argument was that NVDA would have to be programmed to announce
copy, paste, and cut when the commands were given without any
knowledge of whether the actions were actually taken. So the
screen-reader would give false information if something prevented the
operations from occurring.
As the developer of the add on has demonstrated and as I did in my
tests, this belief is incorrect and I strongly believe that since the
belief has been disproven, that the feature should either be placed in
code or that the add on be distributed and active as part of the
installation. I don't care which solution would be adopted.
Gene
----- original Message -----
*From:* Gene <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>
*Sent:* Wednesday, August 22, 2018 4:49 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Favourite add-ons

This message is rather long. I hope you find it interesting and
provocative of thought.
Rarely, one of the icons doesn't work as expect in the system tray. I
don't remember what now, but I couldn't do something in the system
tray I should have been able to do but I could in the system tray dialog.
Aside from that, while it wouldn't be a major problem or inconvenience
to accustom myself to the system tray interface for regular use, why
should I have to? The dialog has been standard in screen-readers
since Windows 98. Why wasn't it included in NVDA? As far as I know,
this was for ideological reasons, and ideology defeated common sense
and a reasonable accomodation to something that had been available for
so long that it is now the standard.
the reason there was a separate system tray dialog in the first place
is that the system tray wasn't accessible in Windows 98. And when the
system tray dialog was instituted, a lot of people were still using
Windows 95, where the system tray was also inaccessible. So the
dialog started as a way to use an inaccessible feature, not as a redundancy.
The ideological principle is that screen-readers should never unless
really necessary, present anything that isn't presented to the sighted
user in a different format or manner or present any additional information.
While I generally agree with this approach, ideology, strictly adhered
to to the point of absurdity, always fails to deal with reality or
common sense.
New users to NVDA should not have to wait until they, maybe, learn
about add ons to have a feature that has been standard in
screen-readers for twenty years.
And it was partly the same ideological rigidity that caused the copy
and paste announcements not to be heard in NVDA and I object for the
same reasons. At least make the add ons part of the installation if
they aren't added to the code. Window-eyes for years, had add ons as
part of the installation of the program. This is nothing radical.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Clare Page <mailto:clare.page@wanadoo.fr>
*Sent:* Wednesday, August 22, 2018 4:17 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Favourite add-ons

Hi!

I find the Clipspeak add-on very useful, because without it there is
no announcement of when copying and cutting and pasting has been done;

As for the system tray add-on, I hope you don’t mind me asking, but
why do you need this add-on, and consider it as essential, when the
system tray is perfectly usable without it? I’m not criticizing, just
curious as to why you consider it a necessary add-on and think it
should be part of NVDA, when NVDA can easily read the system tray on its own?

Bye for now!

From Clare

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
*Gene
*Sent:* mardi 21 août 2018 16:04
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Favourite add-ons

I don't use many add ons because the way I use my computer, I don't
benefit from most of them. But the two I use regularly and I consider
important enough that they shouldn't be add ons is Clip Speak, which
announces copy and past when you copy to and past from the clipboard,
and the system tray dialog add on. The system tray dialog has been a
standard part of screen-readers since Windows 2008. It should be
included in NVDA itself but it isn't.

As for Clipp Speak, I don't know if there is a new version that solves
these problems. the original version caused some problems in Word and
it caused a problem in the Youtube downloader I use even though I
wasn't directly using the add on. So, if you see strange problems you
didn't have before, even if they seem unrelated to anything you would
expect the add on to cause, try disabling them and see if the problem disappears.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

*From:*Sociohack AC <mailto:acsociopath@gmail.com>

*Sent:*Tuesday, August 21, 2018 8:37 AM

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*[nvda] Favourite add-ons

What are the most useful add-ons for you people?
--
Regards,
Sociohack







Sarah k Alawami
 

Mine are the sound add on, and that’s about it. I have remote nvda installed but I have not checked for updates in about 3-4 moths.

On 22 Aug 2018, at 15:05, George McCoy wrote:

Um ... to get back to the original topic, my favorite add ons are remote support, goldwave, bit_che and golden cursor.

I, for one, would be very interested in seeing what add ons others use as opposed to a discussion about the merit or necessity or lack thereof of systray and slipspeak.

Thanks for reading,
George

-----Original Message----- From: Rui Fontes
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2018 9:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Favourite add-ons

Yes! Sorry Joseph!

Rui Fontes


Às 15:17 de 22/08/2018, Joseph Lee escreveu:
Hi,
Correction: Joseph Lee, not Doug Lee.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rui Fontes
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2018 5:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Favourite add-ons

Hello!

1 - I agree that a screen reader should not modify the user interface given by the system where it is running;

2 - That should not interfere with the possibility of screen readers make available a alternative user interface, when it is usefull.

3 - Systray list addon was created by me, with the help of Rui Batista, and later modified by Doug Lee.

4 - Why I decided to create it?
4.1 - Most new NVDA users, at least in 2013 in Portugal and Brazil, were old Jaws users and so they were used to it;
4.2 - Sometimes, when you arrow through Systray, after making Windows+B, and you get to the Network icon, the system shows a popup, Network flyout or something like that, and make unusable the systray that way...;

5 - So, for me, the ideological reason is not valid, since the screen reader is not changing the user interface, but only giving anorther way to do the same...

6 - Regarding the announcement of copy, cut and paste, here I can understand the ideological reason, since the operating system do not announce it in some cases...

6.1 - The system never announces the fact of something being copied to the clipboard;
6.2 - When something is cutted, a visual information is given, since the text or file is gone, and NVDA not always give that information to us;
6.3 - When something is pasted, again, some visual information is given, but not always NVDA announce it...

7 - So, for me, the ideological reason only will be valid when NVDA give us the same information given visually.

8 - Untill that, I will defend the announcement of copy, cut and paste, making all efforts to gave a correct information, but when it will not be possible to be sure the operation was performed, giving us the information not confirmed...

Regards,

Rui Fontes
NVDA portuguese team



Às 11:14 de 22/08/2018, Gene escreveu:
Here is a correction to my last message.
I said that one reason that copy, cut and paste aren't announced is
the ideological one I discussed. That may be incorrect. I read two
discussions of this when users requested the feature that are
available on Ghithub. I didn't see the ideological reason given.
Instead, the mistaken belief was expressed that it can't be known
reliably except in certain cases, when copying, pasting, and cutting
occur. this is factually incorrect yet it was believed by the
developers for most of the years NVDA has been under development. I
don't know what the developers believe now.
The argument was that NVDA would have to be programmed to announce
copy, paste, and cut when the commands were given without any
knowledge of whether the actions were actually taken. So the
screen-reader would give false information if something prevented the
operations from occurring.
As the developer of the add on has demonstrated and as I did in my
tests, this belief is incorrect and I strongly believe that since the
belief has been disproven, that the feature should either be placed in
code or that the add on be distributed and active as part of the
installation. I don't care which solution would be adopted.
Gene
----- original Message -----
*From:* Gene <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>
*Sent:* Wednesday, August 22, 2018 4:49 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Favourite add-ons

This message is rather long. I hope you find it interesting and
provocative of thought.
Rarely, one of the icons doesn't work as expect in the system tray. I
don't remember what now, but I couldn't do something in the system
tray I should have been able to do but I could in the system tray dialog.
Aside from that, while it wouldn't be a major problem or inconvenience
to accustom myself to the system tray interface for regular use, why
should I have to? The dialog has been standard in screen-readers
since Windows 98. Why wasn't it included in NVDA? As far as I know,
this was for ideological reasons, and ideology defeated common sense
and a reasonable accomodation to something that had been available for
so long that it is now the standard.
the reason there was a separate system tray dialog in the first place
is that the system tray wasn't accessible in Windows 98. And when the
system tray dialog was instituted, a lot of people were still using
Windows 95, where the system tray was also inaccessible. So the
dialog started as a way to use an inaccessible feature, not as a redundancy.
The ideological principle is that screen-readers should never unless
really necessary, present anything that isn't presented to the sighted
user in a different format or manner or present any additional information.
While I generally agree with this approach, ideology, strictly adhered
to to the point of absurdity, always fails to deal with reality or
common sense.
New users to NVDA should not have to wait until they, maybe, learn
about add ons to have a feature that has been standard in
screen-readers for twenty years.
And it was partly the same ideological rigidity that caused the copy
and paste announcements not to be heard in NVDA and I object for the
same reasons. At least make the add ons part of the installation if
they aren't added to the code. Window-eyes for years, had add ons as
part of the installation of the program. This is nothing radical.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Clare Page <mailto:clare.page@wanadoo.fr>
*Sent:* Wednesday, August 22, 2018 4:17 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Favourite add-ons

Hi!

I find the Clipspeak add-on very useful, because without it there is
no announcement of when copying and cutting and pasting has been done;

As for the system tray add-on, I hope you don’t mind me asking, but
why do you need this add-on, and consider it as essential, when the
system tray is perfectly usable without it? I’m not criticizing, just
curious as to why you consider it a necessary add-on and think it
should be part of NVDA, when NVDA can easily read the system tray on its own?

Bye for now!

From Clare

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
*Gene
*Sent:* mardi 21 août 2018 16:04
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Favourite add-ons

I don't use many add ons because the way I use my computer, I don't
benefit from most of them. But the two I use regularly and I consider
important enough that they shouldn't be add ons is Clip Speak, which
announces copy and past when you copy to and past from the clipboard,
and the system tray dialog add on. The system tray dialog has been a
standard part of screen-readers since Windows 2008. It should be
included in NVDA itself but it isn't.

As for Clipp Speak, I don't know if there is a new version that solves
these problems. the original version caused some problems in Word and
it caused a problem in the Youtube downloader I use even though I
wasn't directly using the add on. So, if you see strange problems you
didn't have before, even if they seem unrelated to anything you would
expect the add on to cause, try disabling them and see if the problem disappears.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

*From:*Sociohack AC <mailto:acsociopath@gmail.com>

*Sent:*Tuesday, August 21, 2018 8:37 AM

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*[nvda] Favourite add-ons

What are the most useful add-ons for you people?
--
Regards,
Sociohack










Antony Stone
 

How often do you get moths around your computer :) ?

Antony.

On Thursday 23 August 2018 at 00:23:33, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Mine are the sound add on, and that’s about it. I have remote nvda
installed but I have not checked for updates in about 3-4 moths.
--
There are 10 types of people in the world:
those who understand binary notation,
and those who don't.

Please reply to the list;
please *don't* CC me.


Jason White
 

BrailleExtender is very good. It provides functionality that I think would be better integrated into the NvDA core, but the developers may disagree - and, of course, it's their decision to make and not for me to comment idly from the comfortable armchair.

On 8/22/18, 18:05, "George McCoy" <nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of slr1bpz@charter.net> wrote:

Um ... to get back to the original topic, my favorite add ons are remote
support, goldwave, bit_che and golden cursor.

I, for one, would be very interested in seeing what add ons others use as
opposed to a discussion about the merit or necessity or lack thereof of
systray and slipspeak.

Thanks for reading,
George

-----Original Message-----
From: Rui Fontes
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2018 9:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Favourite add-ons

Yes! Sorry Joseph!

Rui Fontes


Às 15:17 de 22/08/2018, Joseph Lee escreveu:
> Hi,
> Correction: Joseph Lee, not Doug Lee.
> Cheers,
> Joseph
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rui Fontes
> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2018 5:09 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Favourite add-ons
>
> Hello!
>
> 1 - I agree that a screen reader should not modify the user interface
> given by the system where it is running;
>
> 2 - That should not interfere with the possibility of screen readers make
> available a alternative user interface, when it is usefull.
>
> 3 - Systray list addon was created by me, with the help of Rui Batista,
> and later modified by Doug Lee.
>
> 4 - Why I decided to create it?
> 4.1 - Most new NVDA users, at least in 2013 in Portugal and Brazil, were
> old Jaws users and so they were used to it;
> 4.2 - Sometimes, when you arrow through Systray, after making Windows+B,
> and you get to the Network icon, the system shows a popup, Network flyout
> or something like that, and make unusable the systray that way...;
>
> 5 - So, for me, the ideological reason is not valid, since the screen
> reader is not changing the user interface, but only giving anorther way to
> do the same...
>
> 6 - Regarding the announcement of copy, cut and paste, here I can
> understand the ideological reason, since the operating system do not
> announce it in some cases...
>
> 6.1 - The system never announces the fact of something being copied to the
> clipboard;
> 6.2 - When something is cutted, a visual information is given, since the
> text or file is gone, and NVDA not always give that information to us;
> 6.3 - When something is pasted, again, some visual information is given,
> but not always NVDA announce it...
>
> 7 - So, for me, the ideological reason only will be valid when NVDA give
> us the same information given visually.
>
> 8 - Untill that, I will defend the announcement of copy, cut and paste,
> making all efforts to gave a correct information, but when it will not be
> possible to be sure the operation was performed, giving us the information
> not confirmed...
>
> Regards,
>
> Rui Fontes
> NVDA portuguese team
>
>
>
> Às 11:14 de 22/08/2018, Gene escreveu:
>> Here is a correction to my last message.
>> I said that one reason that copy, cut and paste aren't announced is
>> the ideological one I discussed. That may be incorrect. I read two
>> discussions of this when users requested the feature that are
>> available on Ghithub. I didn't see the ideological reason given.
>> Instead, the mistaken belief was expressed that it can't be known
>> reliably except in certain cases, when copying, pasting, and cutting
>> occur. this is factually incorrect yet it was believed by the
>> developers for most of the years NVDA has been under development. I
>> don't know what the developers believe now.
>> The argument was that NVDA would have to be programmed to announce
>> copy, paste, and cut when the commands were given without any
>> knowledge of whether the actions were actually taken. So the
>> screen-reader would give false information if something prevented the
>> operations from occurring.
>> As the developer of the add on has demonstrated and as I did in my
>> tests, this belief is incorrect and I strongly believe that since the
>> belief has been disproven, that the feature should either be placed in
>> code or that the add on be distributed and active as part of the
>> installation. I don't care which solution would be adopted.
>> Gene
>> ----- original Message -----
>> *From:* Gene <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 22, 2018 4:49 AM
>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Favourite add-ons
>>
>> This message is rather long. I hope you find it interesting and
>> provocative of thought.
>> Rarely, one of the icons doesn't work as expect in the system tray. I
>> don't remember what now, but I couldn't do something in the system
>> tray I should have been able to do but I could in the system tray dialog.
>> Aside from that, while it wouldn't be a major problem or inconvenience
>> to accustom myself to the system tray interface for regular use, why
>> should I have to? The dialog has been standard in screen-readers
>> since Windows 98. Why wasn't it included in NVDA? As far as I know,
>> this was for ideological reasons, and ideology defeated common sense
>> and a reasonable accomodation to something that had been available for
>> so long that it is now the standard.
>> the reason there was a separate system tray dialog in the first place
>> is that the system tray wasn't accessible in Windows 98. And when the
>> system tray dialog was instituted, a lot of people were still using
>> Windows 95, where the system tray was also inaccessible. So the
>> dialog started as a way to use an inaccessible feature, not as a
>> redundancy.
>> The ideological principle is that screen-readers should never unless
>> really necessary, present anything that isn't presented to the sighted
>> user in a different format or manner or present any additional
>> information.
>> While I generally agree with this approach, ideology, strictly adhered
>> to to the point of absurdity, always fails to deal with reality or
>> common sense.
>> New users to NVDA should not have to wait until they, maybe, learn
>> about add ons to have a feature that has been standard in
>> screen-readers for twenty years.
>> And it was partly the same ideological rigidity that caused the copy
>> and paste announcements not to be heard in NVDA and I object for the
>> same reasons. At least make the add ons part of the installation if
>> they aren't added to the code. Window-eyes for years, had add ons as
>> part of the installation of the program. This is nothing radical.
>> Gene
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Clare Page <mailto:clare.page@wanadoo.fr>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 22, 2018 4:17 AM
>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Favourite add-ons
>>
>> Hi!
>>
>> I find the Clipspeak add-on very useful, because without it there is
>> no announcement of when copying and cutting and pasting has been done;
>>
>> As for the system tray add-on, I hope you don’t mind me asking, but
>> why do you need this add-on, and consider it as essential, when the
>> system tray is perfectly usable without it? I’m not criticizing, just
>> curious as to why you consider it a necessary add-on and think it
>> should be part of NVDA, when NVDA can easily read the system tray on its
>> own?
>>
>> Bye for now!
>>
>> From Clare
>>
>> *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
>> *Gene
>> *Sent:* mardi 21 août 2018 16:04
>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Favourite add-ons
>>
>> I don't use many add ons because the way I use my computer, I don't
>> benefit from most of them. But the two I use regularly and I consider
>> important enough that they shouldn't be add ons is Clip Speak, which
>> announces copy and past when you copy to and past from the clipboard,
>> and the system tray dialog add on. The system tray dialog has been a
>> standard part of screen-readers since Windows 2008. It should be
>> included in NVDA itself but it isn't.
>>
>> As for Clipp Speak, I don't know if there is a new version that solves
>> these problems. the original version caused some problems in Word and
>> it caused a problem in the Youtube downloader I use even though I
>> wasn't directly using the add on. So, if you see strange problems you
>> didn't have before, even if they seem unrelated to anything you would
>> expect the add on to cause, try disabling them and see if the problem
>> disappears.
>>
>> Gene
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> *From:*Sociohack AC <mailto:acsociopath@gmail.com>
>>
>> *Sent:*Tuesday, August 21, 2018 8:37 AM
>>
>> *To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>
>> *Subject:*[nvda] Favourite add-ons
>>
>> What are the most useful add-ons for you people?
>> --
>> Regards,
>> Sociohack
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


 

<grin>

At least none of us use mainframes round here.

An interesting fact to note is that the first computer bugs were just real bugs that flew into and damaged the computers.

On 8/23/2018 10:32 AM, Antony Stone wrote:
How often do you get moths around your computer :) ?

Antony.

On Thursday 23 August 2018 at 00:23:33, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Mine are the sound add on, and that’s about it. I have remote nvda
installed but I have not checked for updates in about 3-4 moths.


Akshaya Choudhary
 

 Place marker is not working with edge. Especially while reading PDFs or Epub files. Is anyone of you facing the same problem? If Yes, any possible fixes?
--
Regards,
Sociohack


Christo de Klerk
 

I can confirm that part of the Place marker add-on does not work in Edge. The command to set a mark, ctrl+Shift+NVDA+k does not work. When reading ePub books I use the add-on's specific find feature to find my place. It is a bit more cumbersome, but it works well. Of course the first prize would be if the app can be made to work in Edge as well as it works elsewhere.

Regards

Christo


On 2018/08/23 04:41 PM, Sociohack AC wrote:
 Place marker is not working with edge. Especially while reading PDFs or Epub files. Is anyone of you facing the same problem? If Yes, any possible fixes?
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Sociohack