how to get to the nvda add on store to find add ons you don't yet have installed
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Mary Otten
I have add on updater, and I changed its source to be the nvda store. However, since I don't have any add ons but one other than the add on updater, and that one came from community add on site, how can I get to the nvda add on store, url perhaps? to get updates there and then subsequent updates will come through the add on updater.
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Hi, Add-on Updater does not let you browse add-on store - it will check for updates to add-ons you have already installed if they are available from add-on store or other source of your choosing. You still need to visit community add-ons website (addons.nvda-project.org), select the add-on you wish to install, download it, install it, restart NVDA, and check for add-on updates. Cheers, Joseph |
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Mary Otten
So if the add on on the community website has not been updated for the latest NVDA, it will not be able to be installed, as it is not compatible, yes? That's why I asked about how to get directly to that new add on store.
Mary
On 3/29/2023 12:41 PM, Joseph Lee
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Hi, There are two things going on:
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Gerardo Corripio
Or you could always install the "Tienda" add-on, a sort of NVDA Store in the meantime. This will let you not only browse, but also update add-ons.
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Gera Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel El 29 mar 2023, a la(s) 1:52 p.m., Mary Otten <maryotten@...> escribió:
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Kenny Cheung
Wouldn’t it be easier to have all add-ons in the store to download and install also to update?
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Sent from Kenny’s MacBook Pro
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Mary Otten
Thank you, Joseph for that clarification. You may well have said that earlier, and I just missed it in the many messages around this entire topic.
Mary
On 3/29/2023 2:06 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
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Ryan Mann
Is the plan to be able to search the addon store directly in the future?
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Ryan Mann Certified Assistive Technology Instructional Specialist rmann0581@... 386-383-5175 On Mar 29, 2023, at 3:42 PM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:
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Rui Fontes
Hi Joseph!
You wrote: 2. Compatible add-ons: right now the add-ons community are updating add-on download links to point to add-on store entries so you can download compatble add-on releases. Yah, but that do not answer everything... How to find, by instance, NVDARecorder already in NVDA add-on store? It is available there, but no way to look for it... I think it was that problem Mary would like to solve... Maybe pointing to the list Noelia have? https://nvdaes.github.io/nvdastore/ It is not the best, but have all add-ons included in the NVDA add-on store... Best regards, Rui Fontes NVDA portuguese team |
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Hi, Another option is getting NVDA Recorder and other add-ons registered on community add-ons website to improve discoverability. We might as well invite authors of add-ons hosted on Spanish community catalog to bring their add-on documentation to community add-ons website to help others discover theri wonderful work. As for searching the ad-on store in the future, I hope so perhaps through NVDA (not via Add-on Updater at the moment as I am ready to declare a feature freeze on that add-on and I will be suspending add-ons work until late April; school takes priority). Cheers, Joseph |
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Rui Fontes
Why authors should submit add-ons to two repositories?
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Best regards, Rui Fontes NVDA portuguese team Às 00:15 de 30/03/2023, Joseph Lee escreveu: Hi, |
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Mary Otten
I am certainly not Joseph. But if the only App Store we can readily and easily get to is the community add-ons one, it seems to me that everybody would want to put their add-ons there so that everybody could find them. Eventually it will be in the NVDA store. But until then, what possible the sense does it make to have three different depositories when only one can really be effectively searched. What am I missing here?
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On Mar 29, 2023, at 4:56 PM, Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@...> wrote: |
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Hi, The reason for putting add-ons in community add-ons website is discoverability as addons.nvda-project.org is a little bit better known and can be accessed from NVDA itself (under add-ons manager/get button). At the moment some (if not all) add-ons hosted on community add-ons website will point their download links to the one provided by the add-on store. What's happening is that NV Access and several members of the add-ons community are working on back-end work, with the user visible work going to be the add-on store client that's in the works. Once the add-on store client comes to NVDA in a future release, people will be able to browse the add-on store and download add-ons (including updates). Once that is in place, there will be no longer a need for Add-on Updater (at least as far as that add-on is concerned). What I',m about to describe is based on latest Add-on Updater release, internals of add-on store (work in progress), and what NV Access said in recent days:
In effect, although Add-on Updater shows five update sources (community add-ons website, Spanish community catalog, catalogs maintained by communities in China and Taiwan, and the new add-on store), the actual number of update sources is four because community add-ons website and add-on store sources are really one and the same apart from how it is accessed. Hope this helps. Cheers, Joseph |
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Luke Davis
Mary Otten wrote:
I am certainly not Joseph. But if the only App Store we can readily and easily get to is the community add-ons one, it seems to me that everybody would want to put their add-ons there so that everybody could find them. Eventually it will be in the NVDA store. But until then, what possible the sense does it make to have three different depositories when only one can really be effectively searched. What am I missing here?You, and apparently Rui, are missing this. The NVDA add-ons store *will* be coming to NVDA. I don't know when, but maybe in 2023.2 or 2023.3. For now, it's only being used as a back-end for add-on developers to submit their add-ons to. However, the front-end for the store, is still the add-ons community website, just as it always has been. People will not be submitting their add-ons to three separate repositories. It will still be only two--the store, and if they want, the language specific ones such as the Spanish directory. The thing with the community website is, while it doesn't directly host any add-ons and just provides readmes and links, those links have to be updated to point to the files in the new data store. As soon as authors do that, or ask someone on the add-ons list to do it for them, the add-ons in the store will be listed on the community website. This is a one-time action. The whole complication we are seeing here, I think, is the varying versions available from different sources in add-on updater. I would personally like to have seen Updater check the community site and the store, and deliver whatever is the latest version from either, rather than making users choose. The store is mainly a developer requirement at this stage, and IMO should have remained in that realm until NV Access brought the user facing part of it on line. It is a back-end only for now. The community website is still its front-end, but must be updated on an add-on by add-on basis, by volunteers. Luke |
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Mary Otten
Thank you, Luke. That cleared it up for me, although for the Spanish repository, it sounds like those guys will still want to send to the community add on store to make their work more easily accessed by folks who are not using Spanish? I had the impression that there were add ons on that ssite that could be useful for folk who don't speak Spanish.
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Mary On 3/29/2023 5:37 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
Mary Otten wrote:I am certainly not Joseph. But if the only App Store we can readily and easily get to is the community add-ons one, it seems to me that everybody would want to put their add-ons there so that everybody could find them. Eventually it will be in the NVDA store. But until then, what possible the sense does it make to have three different depositories when only one can really be effectively searched. What am I missing here?You, and apparently Rui, are missing this. |
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The Spanish community contains unofficial add ons as well as official ones. I personally like this one over the community one as I can make nvda do some things I need whereas on the official side, some add on devs will not release their stuff there. . I've asked,, and got a very blunt, no.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2023 5:42 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] how to get to the nvda add on store to find add ons you don't yet have installed Thank you, Luke. That cleared it up for me, although for the Spanish repository, it sounds like those guys will still want to send to the community add on store to make their work more easily accessed by folks who are not using Spanish? I had the impression that there were add ons on that ssite that could be useful for folk who don't speak Spanish. Mary On 3/29/2023 5:37 PM, Luke Davis wrote: Mary Otten wrote:I am certainly not Joseph. But if the only App Store we can readilyYou, and apparently Rui, are missing this. -- ---------- Sarah Alawami, owner of flying Blind. Visit my website ( http://flyingblind.us ) to read my story. Windows 11 22H2 (AMD64) build 22621.1413 NonVisual Desktop Access (NVDA) Version: 2023.1 (2023.1.0.27913) Microsoft 365 MSO (Version 2302 Build 16.0.16130.20332) 64-bit |
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On Wed, Mar 29, 2023 at 08:41 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
That cleared it up for me, although for the Spanish repository, it sounds like those guys will still want to send to the community add on store to make their work more easily accessed by folks who are not using Spanish? I had the impression that there were add ons on that ssite that could be useful for folk who don't speak Spanish.- Well, yes and no. Any add-on that appears on the Community Add-Ons Site as well as the Spanish Add-Ons Directory is an "officially vetted" one that qualifies for inclusion in the Community Add-Ons site (and, by extension, in the new Add-Ons Store as well at the moment). All "officially vetted" add-ons I'm aware of (and I'm certain someone will correct me if I'm wrong) has to be set up so that it allows translation tables for all of its messages, settings, etc., based upon the system language settings in use where it's being used. That doesn't mean that there will currently exist translations for every language in the world, only that if someone wanted to use it in that language and a translator were available to create the necessary translations, they could be added just like all the existing ones already are. The Spanish Add-Ons Directory includes a lot of "unofficial" add-ons, and a number of these not in Spanish if memory serves about some I've stumbled over, and where those add-ons were not built such that translation tables are a built-in part of their structure. So while the Add-Ons Directory definitely does include the add-ons that the Community Add-Ons Site does, it includes many others, in at least several other languages, that may or may not be of use to someone who doesn't speak the language in which their UI is presented, as it would not be a simple undertaking to make add-ons so coded in other translations. Things like Windows, NVDA, many NVDA add-ons, and a lot of commercial software to not have "language specific" versions, but are built to be able to be localized/translated. Many different languages exist in what's most easily thought of as a localization/translation table, and where the program checks to see what the system language is set to, and then uses that language out of the localization/translation table to present its own user interface in the same language, presuming those translations actually exist in the table. If they don't, they can easily be added if someone does the translations. The concept is pretty simple in that localizable software is built from the outset with none of its "linguistic elements" like messages, settings, etc., hard coded. They're in a table that can be expanded and accessed when needed for other languages. Non-localizable software is not written that way and is not at all easy to localize on demand. -- Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit It is much easier to be critical than to be correct. ~ Benjamin Disraeli, 1804-1881 |
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On Wed, Mar 29, 2023 at 09:02 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
some add on devs will not release their stuff there [the Community Add-Ons Page] . . I've asked,, and got a very blunt, no.- That's because there are requirements that are similar to those Joseph Lee outlined with regard to the new Add-Ons Store. See message #105130 in the NVDA Group Archive. For someone who created an add-on as a "throw together tool" for their personal use, but who's allowed others who want to use it to do so, it's unlikely they want to get into the level of formality required by the Community Add-Ons page and, it seems, Add-On Store. I have been saying, for years now, that until and unless a unified add-on repository that includes both classes of add-ons is created, there will be splintering of add-on sources that is wholly unnecessary. The Spanish Add-Ons Directory is, so far, the closest thing I've seen to a unified add-on repository and I hope to heaven that the Add-On Store ends up following its lead. If it doesn't, then it's just another spin on the Community Add-Ons Site that's managed by NVAccess directly. And if the Add-On Updater functionality were ever to restrict strictly to one repository, that's a big, big step backwards, in my opinion. -- Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit It is much easier to be critical than to be correct. ~ Benjamin Disraeli, 1804-1881 |
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Luke Davis
Brian Vogel wrote:
Any add-on that appears on the Community Add-Ons Site as well as the Spanish Add-Ons Directory is an "officially vetted" one thatBrian, I'm curious about that phrase "officially vetted"--you've used it several times now. What exactly do you mean by it? If you're speaking of the old code review process that add-ons had to go through, that hasn't "officially" been the case for quite a while (a year or so?). It was still being done, at least to some extent, by Noelia and Joseph only, up until about three weeks ago, when the store came on line. As of now, there is no "official vetting" process of which I am aware. Not to say that I am aware of everything--the situation is quite dynamic with documentation and such; but given the submission automation now available, pretty much anyone could submit anything. Luke |
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On Wed, Mar 29, 2023 at 11:57 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
What exactly do you mean by it?- I don't know, hence the quotes. But it is abundantly clear that some sort of review process, whether automated, done by humans, or a combination of the two takes place before the "seal of approval" is placed on an add-on and it is included on the Community Add-Ons page. It doesn't matter if anyone can submit anything, what matters is that not everything submitted will pass muster, whatever "passing muster" might be at the moment the evaluation is being done. Since not everything that exists already, some of which is in pretty wide use, is on the Community Add-Ons site some sort of gate-keeping is occurring, and that's what "official vetting" is. I've never attempted to describe the process in detail, but it has to be acknowledged that it exists. If it doesn't, I'd like to know how you, or anyone else, has come to that conclusion. Even what Joseph recently wrote about the Add-Ons store that I alluded to in another message clearly indicates that there are certain requirements that a developer must meet in terms of their own project management practices before an add-on can even "enter the pipeline" for inclusion there. That's vetting, and it's being done by NVAccess "officialdom" for lack of a better way of putting it. -- Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit It is much easier to be critical than to be correct. ~ Benjamin Disraeli, 1804-1881 |
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