Locked How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?
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Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
Hi, is there a way to prevent NVDA from automatically reading an outlook message when you open it? If so how? |
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Ralf Kefferpuetz
NVDA-Control-B, Alt-S, uncheck it.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Sonntag, 10. Mai 2020 01:04 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?
Hi, is there a way to prevent NVDA from automatically reading an outlook message when you open it? If so how? |
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Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
That is unchecked in outlook 2016 it still reads the first line.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 6:48 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?
NVDA-Control-B, Alt-S, uncheck it.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L
Hi, is there a way to prevent NVDA from automatically reading an outlook message when you open it? If so how? |
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Ralf Kefferpuetz
Yup, that’s normal that it reads the first line.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Sonntag, 10. Mai 2020 12:57 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?
That is unchecked in outlook 2016 it still reads the first line.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
NVDA-Control-B, Alt-S, uncheck it.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L
Hi, is there a way to prevent NVDA from automatically reading an outlook message when you open it? If so how? |
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Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
Is there anyway to prevent this?
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 8:45 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?
Yup, that’s normal that it reads the first line.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L
That is unchecked in outlook 2016 it still reads the first line.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
NVDA-Control-B, Alt-S, uncheck it.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L
Hi, is there a way to prevent NVDA from automatically reading an outlook message when you open it? If so how? |
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Gene
I don't see any way, but why does it
matter?
Whenever I open anything, a program, a document,
something is spoken. When I open a document in Notepad, for example, the
current line is spoken.
Gene ----- Original Message -----
From: Dennis L
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading
messages in outlook when open them? Is there anyway to prevent this?
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Ralf Kefferpuetz
Yup, that’s normal that it reads the first line.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Dennis L
That is unchecked in outlook 2016 it still reads the first line.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Ralf Kefferpuetz
NVDA-Control-B, Alt-S, uncheck it.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Dennis L
Hi, is there a way to prevent NVDA from automatically reading an outlook message when you open it? If so how? |
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Gene
I should have said, the first line is spoken.
Gene ----- Original Message -----
From: Dennis L
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading
messages in outlook when open them? Is there anyway to prevent this?
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Ralf Kefferpuetz
Yup, that’s normal that it reads the first line.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Dennis L
That is unchecked in outlook 2016 it still reads the first line.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Ralf Kefferpuetz
NVDA-Control-B, Alt-S, uncheck it.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Dennis L
Hi, is there a way to prevent NVDA from automatically reading an outlook message when you open it? If so how? |
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Ralf Kefferpuetz
No, there is no way. I’m wondering why you ask for it. Purpose of opening a mail is to read it….at least for me. But feel free to log an issue with NVDA.
Cheers, Ralf
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Sonntag, 10. Mai 2020 18:47 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?
Is there anyway to prevent this?
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
Yup, that’s normal that it reads the first line.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L
That is unchecked in outlook 2016 it still reads the first line.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
NVDA-Control-B, Alt-S, uncheck it.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L
Hi, is there a way to prevent NVDA from automatically reading an outlook message when you open it? If so how? |
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Richard Bartholomew
Hi,
Without wishing to sound too glib…choice is the reason why this is desirable. For example, I prefer cursoring down a mail as it gives me more control over skipping bits I don’t want to hear, eg URLs, rather than wasting time listening to it all!
Cheers Richard Bartholomew
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: 10 May 2020 19:26 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?
No, there is no way. I’m wondering why you ask for it. Purpose of opening a mail is to read it….at least for me. But feel free to log an issue with NVDA.
Cheers, Ralf
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L
Is there anyway to prevent this?
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
Yup, that’s normal that it reads the first line.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L
That is unchecked in outlook 2016 it still reads the first line.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
NVDA-Control-B, Alt-S, uncheck it.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L
Hi, is there a way to prevent NVDA from automatically reading an outlook message when you open it? If so how? |
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On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 04:16 PM, Richard Bartholomew wrote:
Without wishing to sound too glibSame here, but what's so difficult about hitting CTRL to shut NVDA up as soon as you open an e-mail message, then use whatever navigation method you deem optimal to go through the message from there? I have to shut up NVDA or JAWS on many occasions, for many reasons, and my reach for CTRL or ESC to accomplish same is almost automatic now. I, like Ralf, cannot fathom why one would open a message if not to read it. And what is ideal as far as how its read will vary from person to person. But the default of "start reading the message" makes a lot of sense, at least to me. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform. Now, you simply declare your own truth. ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019
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Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
Thank you I am the same way. If I don’t want it to read anything it should give me that option.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Bartholomew
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 4:16 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?
Hi,
Without wishing to sound too glib…choice is the reason why this is desirable. For example, I prefer cursoring down a mail as it gives me more control over skipping bits I don’t want to hear, eg URLs, rather than wasting time listening to it all!
Cheers Richard Bartholomew
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
No, there is no way. I’m wondering why you ask for it. Purpose of opening a mail is to read it….at least for me. But feel free to log an issue with NVDA.
Cheers, Ralf
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L
Is there anyway to prevent this?
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
Yup, that’s normal that it reads the first line.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L
That is unchecked in outlook 2016 it still reads the first line.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
NVDA-Control-B, Alt-S, uncheck it.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L
Hi, is there a way to prevent NVDA from automatically reading an outlook message when you open it? If so how? |
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Richard Bartholomew
Absolutely nothing and is what I do constantly – the control key is one of the most important ones for this reason! Obviously, the point of opening a message is to read it but, surely, to read it in your preferred mode by default. However, I shan’t be losing any sleep over this if it’s not implemented since, like you, it’s second nature to me; the only time it’s an irritant is when doing so doesn’t immediately mute the speech which can happen depending, I think, upon the message content.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 10 May 2020 21:23 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?
On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 04:16 PM, Richard Bartholomew wrote:
Same here, but what's so difficult about hitting CTRL to shut NVDA up as soon as you open an e-mail message, then use whatever navigation method you deem optimal to go through the message from there? I have to shut up NVDA or JAWS on many occasions, for many reasons, and my reach for CTRL or ESC to accomplish same is almost automatic now. Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform. Now, you simply declare your own truth. ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019
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On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 04:35 PM, Richard Bartholomew wrote:
to read it in your preferred mode by default.And when, "your preferred method," could be one of who knows how many, it becomes ridiculous to try to implement said preferences. This may not be one of those cases, but I am discussing a general principle. There are constant complaints about how complex the preferences settings are for a wide variety of programs, but those complexities are the direct result of trying to allow individual users maximum control over how things work. And even then, default choices have to be made, none of which satisfy everyone. There are times when giving no options makes far more sense than giving many, when exiting the default behavior is a single keystroke away. You (any you) may argue whether that's the case here, and that's perfectly legitimate discussion, but it's very hard to argue the general principle. Option bloat is a very serious issue to be considered and it's often hard to strike the right balance between "all" or "nothing" that makes most happy. Everyone will never be happy. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform. Now, you simply declare your own truth. ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019
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Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
I have seen at least one other person request this feature. Its clearly not just me who wants this.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 4:58 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?
On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 04:35 PM, Richard Bartholomew wrote:
And when, "your preferred method," could be one of who knows how many, it becomes ridiculous to try to implement said preferences. This may not be one of those cases, but I am discussing a general principle. Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform. Now, you simply declare your own truth. ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019
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Hareth <hareth4m@...>
I think that defeats the very purpose of a screenreader!
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If it wont at least, read's the highlighted line, which is the current 1st line it won't be a screenreader. Its like asking the developers to don't show a message when opened for the sighted people. The devs would respond to them with "close your eyes" with our case it would be: Well, turn off your screenreader! that's the option, and its available with a hotkey. This is one of the strangest request I've seen to date. TC On 5/10/20, Dennis L <dennisl1982@...> wrote:
Thank you I am the same way. If I don't want it to read anything it should |
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On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 06:12 PM, Dennis L wrote:
Its clearly not just me who wants this.No, it's not. So far the "yeas" are 2, and the nays keep increasing. This will be my last comment. I'm not saying your wants should not be heard, but I am saying that they appear to be in the distinct minority, and that means they're unlikely to result in any change. Hareth's comment expresses my personal feeling/opinion on the matter, but better. My comment to Richard Bartholomew, https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/message/73646, can stand as a final statement from me that addresses the underlying considerations. And, again, as has been emphasized elsewhere on this very group over the last several days: If you have a change you wish to see, then please, file a feature request (for a new or extended feature) or a bug report on NVDA's GitHub. That's how things actually get rolling, at least when they do get rolling. The response to any feature request can be either, "No," or, "Not now, and it's a low priority." Real bugs always get addressed in order of severity. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform. Now, you simply declare your own truth. ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019
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Gene
That isn't what is being asked. The person is
complaining about the first line being read automatically when a message
opens. Earlier, the person asked how to stop automatic reading of messages
when they open. People are asking why it matters if the first line is read
when a message opens. They didn't ask why the person wants to make the
first change he asked about, not having mail read automatically.
Gene ----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Bartholomew
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 3:16 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading
messages in outlook when open them? Hi,
Without wishing to sound too glib…choice is the reason why this is desirable. For example, I prefer cursoring down a mail as it gives me more control over skipping bits I don’t want to hear, eg URLs, rather than wasting time listening to it all!
Cheers Richard Bartholomew
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Ralf Kefferpuetz
No, there is no way. I’m wondering why you ask for it. Purpose of opening a mail is to read it….at least for me. But feel free to log an issue with NVDA.
Cheers, Ralf
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Dennis L
Is there anyway to prevent this?
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Ralf Kefferpuetz
Yup, that’s normal that it reads the first line.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Dennis L
That is unchecked in outlook 2016 it still reads the first line.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Ralf Kefferpuetz
NVDA-Control-B, Alt-S, uncheck it.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Dennis L
Hi, is there a way to prevent NVDA from automatically reading an outlook message when you open it? If so how? |
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Gene
This isn't just changing how the program responds
in this one situation. the program behaves in this way every time you open
a document in any document reading program. One person or two people by
themselves don't make a convincing case for changing this behavior. And if
you change the behavior by providing a don't read any of document automatically
feature, what will you substitute in its place? Think of what it
means. If nothing is spoken, you won't know when a document has
opened. You may not even know the program itself has opened, if you click
on a file and nothing is spoken.
I want verification that something has opened and
appears to be working properly. the most efficient way to do that is by
having the first line read automatically. That way, I get information
about the first line, which I often want instead of some sort of generic
announcement such as program x has opened, document y has opened and reading
something like the title of the document.
In short, you would have to come up with something
more efficient and more useful than what you are complaining about now if you
want a change because I very much doubt most people want such a change or
option. Are you literally asking that nothing be spoken? That is
most unsatisfactory.
Gene ----- Original Message -----
From: Dennis L
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 5:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading
messages in outlook when open them? I have seen at least one other person request this feature. Its clearly not just me who wants this.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Brian Vogel
On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 04:35 PM, Richard Bartholomew wrote:
And when, "your preferred method," could be one of who knows
how many, it becomes ridiculous to try to implement said preferences. This
may not be one of those cases, but I am discussing a general
principle. Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform. Now, you simply declare your own truth. ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019
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Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
Gene that is not true! It could be made to be application specific.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 8:24 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?
This isn't just changing how the program responds in this one situation. the program behaves in this way every time you open a document in any document reading program. One person or two people by themselves don't make a convincing case for changing this behavior. And if you change the behavior by providing a don't read any of document automatically feature, what will you substitute in its place? Think of what it means. If nothing is spoken, you won't know when a document has opened. You may not even know the program itself has opened, if you click on a file and nothing is spoken.
I want verification that something has opened and appears to be working properly. the most efficient way to do that is by having the first line read automatically. That way, I get information about the first line, which I often want instead of some sort of generic announcement such as program x has opened, document y has opened and reading something like the title of the document.
In short, you would have to come up with something more efficient and more useful than what you are complaining about now if you want a change because I very much doubt most people want such a change or option. Are you literally asking that nothing be spoken? That is most unsatisfactory.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Dennis L Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?
I have seen at least one other person request this feature. Its clearly not just me who wants this.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 04:35 PM, Richard Bartholomew wrote:
And when, "your preferred method," could be one of who knows how many, it becomes ridiculous to try to implement said preferences. This may not be one of those cases, but I am discussing a general principle. Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform. Now, you simply declare your own truth. ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019
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Gene
First, let's be sure we are talking about the same
thing. I have often seen complaints about the subject line being read when
a message is opened in Thunderbird. Are you talking about that or about
the first line of the message body being read? I can see a justification
for requesting that the subject line not be read when a message is opened.
But if your complaint is that the first line of the message body is read, you
haven't explained why that is a problem.
This behavior, not reading the first line, could be
made application specific by the user by using profiles. But we need to be
sure we are talking about the same thing and you need to make a good case for
not having the first line of the message body be read if you want the developers
to possibly seriously consider adding the feature.
Gene From: Dennis L
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 8:08 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading
messages in outlook when open them? Gene that is not true! It could be made to be application specific.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Gene
This isn't just changing how the program responds in this one situation. the program behaves in this way every time you open a document in any document reading program. One person or two people by themselves don't make a convincing case for changing this behavior. And if you change the behavior by providing a don't read any of document automatically feature, what will you substitute in its place? Think of what it means. If nothing is spoken, you won't know when a document has opened. You may not even know the program itself has opened, if you click on a file and nothing is spoken.
I want verification that something has opened and appears to be working properly. the most efficient way to do that is by having the first line read automatically. That way, I get information about the first line, which I often want instead of some sort of generic announcement such as program x has opened, document y has opened and reading something like the title of the document.
In short, you would have to come up with something more efficient and more useful than what you are complaining about now if you want a change because I very much doubt most people want such a change or option. Are you literally asking that nothing be spoken? That is most unsatisfactory.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Dennis L Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?
I have seen at least one other person request this feature. Its clearly not just me who wants this.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Brian Vogel
On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 04:35 PM, Richard Bartholomew wrote:
And when, "your preferred method," could be one of who knows
how many, it becomes ridiculous to try to implement said preferences. This
may not be one of those cases, but I am discussing a general
principle. Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform. Now, you simply declare your own truth. ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019
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