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After upgrading to the latest version of NVDA, I find that while using the kindle program, NVDA no longer continues when you use the nvda-down arrow to read continuously. It stops every few sentences, whether it's the end of a paragraph or not. It didn't do this in the previous version of NVDA.
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Other programs are not affected by this problem.
I have an epub reader that does not exhibit this behavior, so it's not the read all function itself that is at fault, just the way it's handled in some circumstances. I did not update my kindle program, so it should not have changed how it works, but there it is. Now I have to continuously press nvda-down arrow, or use the iPhone for the kindle app, which while working, isn't exactly the way I wanted to read books, and since I read a lot of books, this new mode is annoying to say the least.
Any suggestions?
For what it's worth, I've downgraded to NVDA 2022.3, and sure enough, the problem went away.
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For what it's worth, I only have kindle version 1.29.0, not 1.39
as the original poseer had, and 22.4 behaved as described, 22.3
does not, so it's only partly kindle's fault, it's also partly
NVDA's fault. <shrug>
Doubt that will help any, but figured I'd throw that out there..
Now I need to work real hard to prevent kindle from updating,
that won't be an easy one, since it likes to do such things on
it's own without asking for permission.
I am also on windows 10, so perhaps it won't update for me
(hopefully).
On 1/12/2023 4:55 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
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You can work around the problem by downloading the exe file for the
previous version of NVDA if you don't have it.
Here is the download link:
https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/releases/2022.3/
Run it and do whatever you want, install it or create a portable
version or just select continue. Using continue allows you to run
it without creating a portable version or installing it.
Gene
On 1/12/2023 3:55 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
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This discussion reminded me of something I find very interesting
about NVDA and Kindle.
I don't use Kindle much. I only started using it recently for a
book now and then, but I noticed that older versions of NVDA
announce page numbers when you get to a new page. JAWS does as
well. NVDA doesn't do this in recent versions which is a welcome
change but that raises the question of how you find out what page
you are on if you need or want to know for some reason. I know of
no way to have NVDA tell you the page you are on when using Kindle
in recent versions and the current version.
Gene
On 1/12/2023 4:34 PM, Gene wrote:
You can
work around the problem by downloading the exe file for the
previous version of NVDA if you don't have it.
Here is the download link:
https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/releases/2022.3/
Run it and do whatever you want, install it or create a portable
version or just select continue. Using continue allows you to run
it without creating a portable version or installing it.
Gene
On 1/12/2023 3:55 PM, Joseph Lee
wrote:
Hi,
NV Access is aware of this: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/14390
Cheers,
Joseph
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It's probably a kindle version thing, because my 22.3 NVDA and
the version of kindle I have does tell me page numbers. The NVDA
22.4 that broke read all also didn't tell me page numbers, so
that's a NVDA thing, not a kindle one at least on my end, later
versions of kindle like 2.39 may behave differently.
On 1/12/2023 6:05 PM, Gene wrote:
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This
discussion reminded me of something I find very interesting about
NVDA and Kindle.
I don't use Kindle much. I only started using it recently for a
book now and then, but I noticed that older versions of NVDA
announce page numbers when you get to a new page. JAWS does as
well. NVDA doesn't do this in recent versions which is a welcome
change but that raises the question of how you find out what page
you are on if you need or want to know for some reason. I know of
no way to have NVDA tell you the page you are on when using Kindle
in recent versions and the current version.
Gene
On 1/12/2023 4:34 PM, Gene wrote:
You
can work around the problem by downloading the exe file for the
previous version of NVDA if you don't have it.
Here is the download link:
https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/releases/2022.3/
Run it and do whatever you want, install it or create a portable
version or just select continue. Using continue allows you to
run it without creating a portable version or installing it.
Gene
On 1/12/2023 3:55 PM, Joseph Lee
wrote:
Hi,
NV Access is aware of this: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/14390
Cheers,
Joseph
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Yes, I thought it was an NVDA behavior. I much prefer not hearing
every page announced but my question is how someone who wants or
needs to hear a page announced does so. If I were writing a
research paper, I would want an NVDA command to announce the page I
am on if I want to footnote something.
Gene
On 1/12/2023 9:45 PM, Travis Siegel
wrote:
It's probably a kindle version thing, because my 22.3 NVDA and
the version of kindle I have does tell me page numbers. The
NVDA 22.4 that broke read all also didn't tell me page numbers,
so that's a NVDA thing, not a kindle one at least on my end,
later versions of kindle like 2.39 may behave differently.
On 1/12/2023 6:05 PM, Gene wrote:
This
discussion reminded me of something I find very interesting
about NVDA and Kindle.
I don't use Kindle much. I only started using it recently for a
book now and then, but I noticed that older versions of NVDA
announce page numbers when you get to a new page. JAWS does as
well. NVDA doesn't do this in recent versions which is a
welcome change but that raises the question of how you find out
what page you are on if you need or want to know for some
reason. I know of no way to have NVDA tell you the page you are
on when using Kindle in recent versions and the current version.
Gene
On 1/12/2023 4:34 PM, Gene wrote:
You
can work around the problem by downloading the exe file for
the previous version of NVDA if you don't have it.
Here is the download link:
https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/releases/2022.3/
Run it and do whatever you want, install it or create a
portable version or just select continue. Using continue
allows you to run it without creating a portable version or
installing it.
Gene
On 1/12/2023 3:55 PM, Joseph Lee
wrote:
Hi,
NV Access is aware of this: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/14390
Cheers,
Joseph
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Gene wrote: announced does so. If I were writing a research paper, I would want an NVDA command to announce the page I am on if I want to footnote something. Gene, I have no idea as to the answer to the question you are asking, but from what I remember from authors who have had to format their books for the Kindle store and other ebook formats: electronic page numbers are not correlated to print page numbers. In a research paper, I would suspect the print page numbers are generally desired. I could be wrong, but that would be my assumption. Unless just specifying the edition would satisfy any citation requirements. Luke
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These days, I don't know what is either required or desired. I doubt, however, that high school or college students are not allowed to cite sources in electronic format. Others may know.
Gene
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On 1/12/2023 10:32 PM, Luke Davis wrote: Gene wrote:
announced does so. If I were writing a research paper, I would want an NVDA command to announce the page I am on if I want to footnote something. Gene, I have no idea as to the answer to the question you are asking, but from what I remember from authors who have had to format their books for the Kindle store and other ebook formats: electronic page numbers are not correlated to print page numbers.
In a research paper, I would suspect the print page numbers are generally desired. I could be wrong, but that would be my assumption.
Unless just specifying the edition would satisfy any citation requirements.
Luke
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Hmmm not sure what the rules exactly are but when I was in highschool all sources were treated the same.
As long as you creditted where you got it, with who it was buy, links, etc it was ok.
Not sure now but on the site I co admin if its linked directly back then its fine.
Of course the polite thing to do is email the actual author and ask for permition.
This does serve a couple purposes.
Obviously you can or can not get permition most net content well is free anyway or if you want to include from another source, you probably have to put a blurb in your bibliography which you are encouraged to write anyway with your source lists as it is.
The other thing is that it promotes traffic on either site.
For example I got a message from a reader refering back to an article posted more than 5 years back and asked if they could put it in another article and gave me the link to the original source of that.
So of course I said yes.
They asked nicely and I had a chance to read the mail and confirm it wasn't another scam.
I was also able to post the article to the owner and boss of the blog to verify it looked good.
The article is public now with the right sources attached.
So it can work.
In university local permition could be used for whatever however anything further from australia had issues at the time I had to have a copy of the book in print to use or even read its content before I actually could do anything even though I was getting converted.
Obviously we have the marakesh treaty which means I can probably skip most of that for my use.
Generally though authors will be fine if you are nice about it and don't just use them.
Especially the free or opensource type deals.
Then again I have never actually found a corperation that doesn't want to promote their stuff except the ones that don't and they are not the general rule.
However once a user posted a file for something not released and didn't ask and I was none the wizer.
My friend in that case was pritty much told to kill it or else but the original person that posted it didn't do it with permition.
In fact another time that happened and yeah they were justifiably harsh obviously.
Of course opinions matter and the piriform/ avast work does show that serveys and feadback can be read.
Sometimes if all think its worth putting in the cash they can move mountains.
Now it can also go the other way.
Some may not be interested and others can be down right bad, sadly a certain support from a certain company making a lot of software on computers starting with m could fit that.
There were a couple others that had semi good software but loaded with adds and actually refused user feadback and wanted subscriptions or else would give you spyware.
I took my business somewhere else.
Granted, now there are freer alternitives I don't use their stuff that much but they are responsive at least.
I don't generally use other sources that are books exactly but the direct approach is always the thing.
Of course if they say pay me xxxxx dollars for it then you can you probably need to go somewhere else unless thats what you are doing for something huge.
In the end its best to talk.
Look at the dectalk thing that went on.
Its a bit mute I guess now its out but there was a time people just chucked it round the net.
Could have gone either way but the other side engaged with those pirating the software and found out why.
Gave those that did their reason and a possible solution which was agreed on.
Of course it could have become quite bad and there are plenty of those sorts of things to.
At least when I did stuff in 96 you just had to be accurate.
Of course half the digital copywrites were not even written yet so we were going from standard laws.
Of course a lot of stuff is free or opensource and a lot of the major stuff is selfpublished so its easier for users to interact generally, usually that is.
I haven't needed to do much of this stuff since 2005 or there abouts though.
A tester light hacker and computer tech doesn't have to be concerned with that stuff I don't even have to write that many reports unless I deem it needed or if its required.
Mostly I have to fill out this and that and maybe a paragraph or 2 about whatever.
Of course showing interest to those that do including my bosses increases relations so I do obviously take a bit of interest but no preasure.
Its not like I am a mainstreamer, then again thanks to covid and digital nomad certain jobs can be worked with in another location just like you can run your life with a different wall paper or skin on your device.
I really haven't had to interact though as such so I am unsure exactly what the new terms are.
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On 13/01/2023 6:32 pm, Gene wrote: These days, I don't know what is either required or desired. I doubt, however, that high school or college students are not allowed to cite sources in electronic format. Others may know.
Gene
On 1/12/2023 10:32 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
Gene wrote:
announced does so. If I were writing a research paper, I would want an NVDA command to announce the page I am on if I want to footnote something. Gene, I have no idea as to the answer to the question you are asking, but from what I remember from authors who have had to format their books for the Kindle store and other ebook formats: electronic page numbers are not correlated to print page numbers.
In a research paper, I would suspect the print page numbers are generally desired. I could be wrong, but that would be my assumption.
Unless just specifying the edition would satisfy any citation requirements.
Luke
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But for quoting brief passages from books or other sources, it is generally legal to do so and permission need not be sought. Imagine if you were writing a term paper and had to write every author you quote for permission.
Gene
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On 1/13/2023 2:49 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote: Hmmm not sure what the rules exactly are but when I was in highschool all sources were treated the same.
As long as you creditted where you got it, with who it was buy, links, etc it was ok.
Not sure now but on the site I co admin if its linked directly back then its fine.
Of course the polite thing to do is email the actual author and ask for permition.
This does serve a couple purposes.
Obviously you can or can not get permition most net content well is free anyway or if you want to include from another source, you probably have to put a blurb in your bibliography which you are encouraged to write anyway with your source lists as it is.
The other thing is that it promotes traffic on either site.
For example I got a message from a reader refering back to an article posted more than 5 years back and asked if they could put it in another article and gave me the link to the original source of that.
So of course I said yes.
They asked nicely and I had a chance to read the mail and confirm it wasn't another scam.
I was also able to post the article to the owner and boss of the blog to verify it looked good.
The article is public now with the right sources attached.
So it can work.
In university local permition could be used for whatever however anything further from australia had issues at the time I had to have a copy of the book in print to use or even read its content before I actually could do anything even though I was getting converted.
Obviously we have the marakesh treaty which means I can probably skip most of that for my use.
Generally though authors will be fine if you are nice about it and don't just use them.
Especially the free or opensource type deals.
Then again I have never actually found a corperation that doesn't want to promote their stuff except the ones that don't and they are not the general rule.
However once a user posted a file for something not released and didn't ask and I was none the wizer.
My friend in that case was pritty much told to kill it or else but the original person that posted it didn't do it with permition.
In fact another time that happened and yeah they were justifiably harsh obviously.
Of course opinions matter and the piriform/ avast work does show that serveys and feadback can be read.
Sometimes if all think its worth putting in the cash they can move mountains.
Now it can also go the other way.
Some may not be interested and others can be down right bad, sadly a certain support from a certain company making a lot of software on computers starting with m could fit that.
There were a couple others that had semi good software but loaded with adds and actually refused user feadback and wanted subscriptions or else would give you spyware.
I took my business somewhere else.
Granted, now there are freer alternitives I don't use their stuff that much but they are responsive at least.
I don't generally use other sources that are books exactly but the direct approach is always the thing.
Of course if they say pay me xxxxx dollars for it then you can you probably need to go somewhere else unless thats what you are doing for something huge.
In the end its best to talk.
Look at the dectalk thing that went on.
Its a bit mute I guess now its out but there was a time people just chucked it round the net.
Could have gone either way but the other side engaged with those pirating the software and found out why.
Gave those that did their reason and a possible solution which was agreed on.
Of course it could have become quite bad and there are plenty of those sorts of things to.
At least when I did stuff in 96 you just had to be accurate.
Of course half the digital copywrites were not even written yet so we were going from standard laws.
Of course a lot of stuff is free or opensource and a lot of the major stuff is selfpublished so its easier for users to interact generally, usually that is.
I haven't needed to do much of this stuff since 2005 or there abouts though.
A tester light hacker and computer tech doesn't have to be concerned with that stuff I don't even have to write that many reports unless I deem it needed or if its required.
Mostly I have to fill out this and that and maybe a paragraph or 2 about whatever.
Of course showing interest to those that do including my bosses increases relations so I do obviously take a bit of interest but no preasure.
Its not like I am a mainstreamer, then again thanks to covid and digital nomad certain jobs can be worked with in another location just like you can run your life with a different wall paper or skin on your device.
I really haven't had to interact though as such so I am unsure exactly what the new terms are.
On 13/01/2023 6:32 pm, Gene wrote:
These days, I don't know what is either required or desired. I doubt, however, that high school or college students are not allowed to cite sources in electronic format. Others may know.
Gene
On 1/12/2023 10:32 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
Gene wrote:
announced does so. If I were writing a research paper, I would want an NVDA command to announce the page I am on if I want to footnote something. Gene, I have no idea as to the answer to the question you are asking, but from what I remember from authors who have had to format their books for the Kindle store and other ebook formats: electronic page numbers are not correlated to print page numbers.
In a research paper, I would suspect the print page numbers are generally desired. I could be wrong, but that would be my assumption.
Unless just specifying the edition would satisfy any citation requirements.
Luke
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Here is an article discussing how to see page numbers in Kindle books. https://screenrant.com/amazon-kindle-books-see-page-numbers-how/#:~:text=It's%20the%20same%20page%20number,left%20corner%20of%20the%20screen. Not all books contain page numbers but most do. The description may or may not apply to blind users, I don't use a physical Kindle so I don't know. But for the purposes of the current discussion, the desktop app, the important statement is that the pages are the same as in the physical book. I also did a search to see if Kindle books may be cited in research papers. While I didn't find, in the part of an article I read about whether schools generally allow this, it is specified how to cite Kindle and other e-books in turabian and I would think that, with so much done digitally, it is generally allowed. Therefore, I think that NVDA should have an announce pages for Kindle on or off setting. Gene
On 1/12/2023 11:32 PM, Gene wrote: These days, I don't know what is either required or desired. I doubt, however, that high school or college students are not allowed to cite sources in electronic format. Others may know.
Gene
On 1/12/2023 10:32 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
Gene wrote:
announced does so. If I were writing a research paper, I would want an NVDA command to announce the page I am on if I want to footnote something. Gene, I have no idea as to the answer to the question you are asking, but from what I remember from authors who have had to format their books for the Kindle store and other ebook formats: electronic page numbers are not correlated to print page numbers.
In a research paper, I would suspect the print page numbers are generally desired. I could be wrong, but that would be my assumption.
Unless just specifying the edition would satisfy any citation requirements.
Luke
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Not on Kindle but on some text in some editors, I've also noted the new version can skip the odd line of text, but its not apparently repeatable so its hard to raise it as an issue, but it might be part of the same issue you mention. Does it sometimes get through the point where it stops then stop elsewhere, or is it always in the same places? I don't use Kindle so cannot check. I was putting it al down to timing issues, but then it could also be the way things are set up.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Siegel" <tsiegel@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2023 9:51 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] kindle app not working properly with latest nvda and read all After upgrading to the latest version of NVDA, I find that while using the kindle program, NVDA no longer continues when you use the nvda-down arrow to read continuously. It stops every few sentences, whether it's the end of a paragraph or not. It didn't do this in the previous version of NVDA.
Other programs are not affected by this problem.
I have an epub reader that does not exhibit this behavior, so it's not the read all function itself that is at fault, just the way it's handled in some circumstances. I did not update my kindle program, so it should not have changed how it works, but there it is. Now I have to continuously press nvda-down arrow, or use the iPhone for the kindle app, which while working, isn't exactly the way I wanted to read books, and since I read a lot of books, this new mode is annoying to say the least.
Any suggestions?
For what it's worth, I've downgraded to NVDA 2022.3, and sure enough, the problem went away.
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Hi Gene,
You should be able to tell the page number by initiating the book
actions menu and then moving to the bottom of the list that tells
you something like: Book title: Page 225 of 500.
On 1/12/2023 6:05 PM, Gene wrote:
This
discussion reminded me of something I find very interesting about
NVDA and Kindle.
I don't use Kindle much. I only started using it recently for a
book now and then, but I noticed that older versions of NVDA
announce page numbers when you get to a new page. JAWS does as
well. NVDA doesn't do this in recent versions which is a welcome
change but that raises the question of how you find out what page
you are on if you need or want to know for some reason. I know of
no way to have NVDA tell you the page you are on when using Kindle
in recent versions and the current version.
Gene
On 1/12/2023 4:34 PM, Gene wrote:
You
can work around the problem by downloading the exe file for the
previous version of NVDA if you don't have it.
Here is the download link:
https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/releases/2022.3/
Run it and do whatever you want, install it or create a portable
version or just select continue. Using continue allows you to
run it without creating a portable version or installing it.
Gene
On 1/12/2023 3:55 PM, Joseph Lee
wrote:
Hi,
NV Access is aware of this: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/14390
Cheers,
Joseph
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There is no book actions menu. I am using version 1.39.2.
Gene
On 1/13/2023 8:17 AM, Ron Canazzi
wrote:
Hi
Gene,
You should be able to tell the page number by initiating the book
actions menu and then moving to the bottom of the list that tells
you something like: Book title: Page 225 of 500.
On 1/12/2023 6:05 PM, Gene wrote:
This
discussion reminded me of something I find very interesting
about NVDA and Kindle.
I don't use Kindle much. I only started using it recently for a
book now and then, but I noticed that older versions of NVDA
announce page numbers when you get to a new page. JAWS does as
well. NVDA doesn't do this in recent versions which is a
welcome change but that raises the question of how you find out
what page you are on if you need or want to know for some
reason. I know of no way to have NVDA tell you the page you are
on when using Kindle in recent versions and the current version.
Gene
On 1/12/2023 4:34 PM, Gene wrote:
You
can work around the problem by downloading the exe file for
the previous version of NVDA if you don't have it.
Here is the download link:
https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/releases/2022.3/
Run it and do whatever you want, install it or create a
portable version or just select continue. Using continue
allows you to run it without creating a portable version or
installing it.
Gene
On 1/12/2023 3:55 PM, Joseph Lee
wrote:
Hi,
NV Access is aware of this: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/14390
Cheers,
Joseph
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Hi Gene,
I am using the iPhone app. I figured that with such a
sophisticated reader--a proprietary item developed by Amazon--that
there would be some rough equivalent to this on the standard Windows
PC version. Apparently, I was wrong. is there any operations menu
of any kind with that Windows app?
On 1/13/2023 10:18 AM, Gene wrote:
There
is no book actions menu. I am using version 1.39.2.
Gene
On 1/13/2023 8:17 AM, Ron Canazzi
wrote:
Hi Gene,
You should be able to tell the page number by initiating the
book actions menu and then moving to the bottom of the list that
tells you something like: Book title: Page 225 of 500.
On 1/12/2023 6:05 PM, Gene wrote:
This discussion reminded me of something I find very
interesting about NVDA and Kindle.
I don't use Kindle much. I only started using it recently for
a book now and then, but I noticed that older versions of NVDA
announce page numbers when you get to a new page. JAWS does
as well. NVDA doesn't do this in recent versions which is a
welcome change but that raises the question of how you find
out what page you are on if you need or want to know for some
reason. I know of no way to have NVDA tell you the page you
are on when using Kindle in recent versions and the current
version.
Gene
On 1/12/2023 4:34 PM, Gene wrote:
You can work around the problem by downloading the exe file
for the previous version of NVDA if you don't have it.
Here is the download link:
https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/releases/2022.3/
Run it and do whatever you want, install it or create a
portable version or just select continue. Using continue
allows you to run it without creating a portable version or
installing it.
Gene
On 1/12/2023 3:55 PM, Joseph
Lee wrote:
Hi,
NV Access is aware of this: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/14390
Cheers,
Joseph
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I'm not sure what you mean by operations. You can do things like go
to a page and you can make book marks and do many things but I've
looked through the program and I find no way to see the page you are
on from the keyboard. I don't know what a sighted person sees.
But since JAWS and Narrator read page numbers as you read, it
appears the information is displayed on screen and changes as you
read. NVDA is evidently scripted not to announce them. I think
that is good behavior by default, I don't want to hear page numbers,
if I am reading in general, but there should be some way to get NVDA
to announce the information if it is somewhere on screen.
I may create a ticket about this but it would be good to have what
I'm saying confirmed, that sighted people see page number
information when using the desktop app.
Gene
On 1/13/2023 12:01 PM, Ron Canazzi
wrote:
Hi
Gene,
I am using the iPhone app. I figured that with such a
sophisticated reader--a proprietary item developed by Amazon--that
there would be some rough equivalent to this on the standard
Windows PC version. Apparently, I was wrong. is there any
operations menu of any kind with that Windows app?
On 1/13/2023 10:18 AM, Gene wrote:
There
is no book actions menu. I am using version 1.39.2.
Gene
On 1/13/2023 8:17 AM, Ron Canazzi
wrote:
Hi Gene,
You should be able to tell the page number by initiating the
book actions menu and then moving to the bottom of the list
that tells you something like: Book title: Page 225 of 500.
On 1/12/2023 6:05 PM, Gene wrote:
This discussion reminded me of something I find very
interesting about NVDA and Kindle.
I don't use Kindle much. I only started using it recently
for a book now and then, but I noticed that older versions
of NVDA announce page numbers when you get to a new page.
JAWS does as well. NVDA doesn't do this in recent versions
which is a welcome change but that raises the question of
how you find out what page you are on if you need or want to
know for some reason. I know of no way to have NVDA tell
you the page you are on when using Kindle in recent versions
and the current version.
Gene
On 1/12/2023 4:34 PM, Gene
wrote:
You can work around the problem by downloading the exe
file for the previous version of NVDA if you don't have
it.
Here is the download link:
https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/releases/2022.3/
Run it and do whatever you want, install it or create a
portable version or just select continue. Using continue
allows you to run it without creating a portable version
or installing it.
Gene
On 1/12/2023 3:55 PM, Joseph
Lee wrote:
Hi,
NV Access is aware of this: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/14390
Cheers,
Joseph
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Gene.
When I say app in this message, I'm referring to the pc version
of the kindle app, not the iPhone or android version, (just to be
clear)
I don't know about your version of the kindle app, but on my
earlier version, it does tell me what page it's on if I'm moving
line by line, or via pageup/pagedown. It also does this when
doing read all, which is Probably not the desired result.
Probably, during read all, it should not speak the page numbers,
since that's not really something you'd care about during a read
all session.
On the other hand, if the kindle app had a status line (which it
does not appear to have), the page number should be in there, and
a simple NVDA-end would happily tell you the page number. This
seems like a no brainer to me, but perhaps amazzon developers
aren't convinced a status line is important.
<shrug>
Other than the automatic announcement of page numbers while
reading, I see no other method of getting the page number in the
kindle app, so if NVDA no longer reads the page number, I have no
idea how you'd discover that information.
On 1/13/2023 1:12 PM, Gene wrote:
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I'm not
sure what you mean by operations. You can do things like go to a
page and you can make book marks and do many things but I've
looked through the program and I find no way to see the page you
are on from the keyboard. I don't know what a sighted person
sees.
But since JAWS and Narrator read page numbers as you read, it
appears the information is displayed on screen and changes as you
read. NVDA is evidently scripted not to announce them. I think
that is good behavior by default, I don't want to hear page
numbers, if I am reading in general, but there should be some way
to get NVDA to announce the information if it is somewhere on
screen.
I may create a ticket about this but it would be good to have what
I'm saying confirmed, that sighted people see page number
information when using the desktop app.
Gene
On 1/13/2023 12:01 PM, Ron Canazzi
wrote:
Hi Gene,
I am using the iPhone app. I figured that with such a
sophisticated reader--a proprietary item developed by
Amazon--that there would be some rough equivalent to this on the
standard Windows PC version. Apparently, I was wrong. is there
any operations menu of any kind with that Windows app?
On 1/13/2023 10:18 AM, Gene wrote:
There is no book actions menu. I am using version 1.39.2.
Gene
On 1/13/2023 8:17 AM, Ron Canazzi
wrote:
Hi Gene,
You should be able to tell the page number by initiating the
book actions menu and then moving to the bottom of the list
that tells you something like: Book title: Page 225 of 500.
On 1/12/2023 6:05 PM, Gene
wrote:
This discussion reminded me of something I find very
interesting about NVDA and Kindle.
I don't use Kindle much. I only started using it recently
for a book now and then, but I noticed that older versions
of NVDA announce page numbers when you get to a new page.
JAWS does as well. NVDA doesn't do this in recent
versions which is a welcome change but that raises the
question of how you find out what page you are on if you
need or want to know for some reason. I know of no way to
have NVDA tell you the page you are on when using Kindle
in recent versions and the current version.
Gene
On 1/12/2023 4:34 PM, Gene
wrote:
You can work around the problem by downloading the exe
file for the previous version of NVDA if you don't have
it.
Here is the download link:
https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/releases/2022.3/
Run it and do whatever you want, install it or create a
portable version or just select continue. Using
continue allows you to run it without creating a
portable version or installing it.
Gene
On 1/12/2023 3:55 PM,
Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
NV Access is aware of this: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/14390
Cheers,
Joseph
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Does it do so when using the current version of NVDA? In versions
of NVDA that are a number of versions old, page numbers are
announced as you move by line and as you use read to end.
Evidently, NVDA was scripted not to read that information in recent
versions. Since I don't know what appears on screen, I can't be
sure what might be done but if the information stays on screen,
there should be an NVDA command to read the page you are on and
perhaps an on/off setting for this to be done as you read..
Gene
On 1/13/2023 1:00 PM, Travis Siegel
wrote:
Gene.
When I say app in this message, I'm referring to the pc version
of the kindle app, not the iPhone or android version, (just to
be clear)
I don't know about your version of the kindle app, but on my
earlier version, it does tell me what page it's on if I'm moving
line by line, or via pageup/pagedown. It also does this when
doing read all, which is Probably not the desired result.
Probably, during read all, it should not speak the page numbers,
since that's not really something you'd care about during a read
all session.
On the other hand, if the kindle app had a status line (which
it does not appear to have), the page number should be in there,
and a simple NVDA-end would happily tell you the page number.
This seems like a no brainer to me, but perhaps amazzon
developers aren't convinced a status line is important.
<shrug>
Other than the automatic announcement of page numbers while
reading, I see no other method of getting the page number in the
kindle app, so if NVDA no longer reads the page number, I have
no idea how you'd discover that information.
On 1/13/2023 1:12 PM, Gene wrote:
I'm
not sure what you mean by operations. You can do things like go
to a page and you can make book marks and do many things but
I've looked through the program and I find no way to see the
page you are on from the keyboard. I don't know what a sighted
person sees.
But since JAWS and Narrator read page numbers as you read, it
appears the information is displayed on screen and changes as
you read. NVDA is evidently scripted not to announce them. I
think that is good behavior by default, I don't want to hear
page numbers, if I am reading in general, but there should be
some way to get NVDA to announce the information if it is
somewhere on screen.
I may create a ticket about this but it would be good to have
what I'm saying confirmed, that sighted people see page number
information when using the desktop app.
Gene
On 1/13/2023 12:01 PM, Ron Canazzi
wrote:
Hi Gene,
I am using the iPhone app. I figured that with such a
sophisticated reader--a proprietary item developed by
Amazon--that there would be some rough equivalent to this on
the standard Windows PC version. Apparently, I was wrong. is
there any operations menu of any kind with that Windows app?
On 1/13/2023 10:18 AM, Gene
wrote:
There is no book actions menu. I am using version 1.39.2.
Gene
On 1/13/2023 8:17 AM, Ron
Canazzi wrote:
Hi Gene,
You should be able to tell the page number by initiating
the book actions menu and then moving to the bottom of the
list that tells you something like: Book title: Page 225
of 500.
On 1/12/2023 6:05 PM, Gene
wrote:
This discussion reminded me of something I find very
interesting about NVDA and Kindle.
I don't use Kindle much. I only started using it
recently for a book now and then, but I noticed that
older versions of NVDA announce page numbers when you
get to a new page. JAWS does as well. NVDA doesn't do
this in recent versions which is a welcome change but
that raises the question of how you find out what page
you are on if you need or want to know for some reason.
I know of no way to have NVDA tell you the page you are
on when using Kindle in recent versions and the current
version.
Gene
On 1/12/2023 4:34 PM, Gene
wrote:
You can work around the problem by downloading the exe
file for the previous version of NVDA if you don't
have it.
Here is the download link:
https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/releases/2022.3/
Run it and do whatever you want, install it or create
a portable version or just select continue. Using
continue allows you to run it without creating a
portable version or installing it.
Gene
On 1/12/2023 3:55 PM,
Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
NV Access is aware of this: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/14390
Cheers,
Joseph
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Signature:
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For a nation to claim it has always been great, needs no improvement and to cling to its past achievements is no virtue!
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For a nation to claim it has always been great, needs no improvement and to cling to its past achievements is no virtue!
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Hi all,
A week later... I am investigating it at the moment. Testing indicates that this issue popped up in 2022.4 beta 1, making it a bit easier for me to figure out exactly what has changed (I'm doing a Git bisect and compiling NVDA on my computer).
P.S. I expect this will be the last NVDA investigation I'll do for some time (spring semester starts next week).
Cheers,
Joseph
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