Looking for newest vocalizer driver


Anne Günther
 

Hi
I finally updated my nvda. While "Vocalizer" works in general Nvda freezes completely in firefox as well as Thunderbird. I got the link to the driver from a message in this list from Febrauary. So I'm hoping there's a newer version where things work once more fine.
regards, Guenni


Rui Fontes
 

Hi!


The latest one is at:

https://www.tiflotecnia.net/Instal/vocalizer_expressive_driver-3.1.2.nvda-addon


But, your problem do not appear to be caused by our driver...

Can you specify better your problem with the Mozilla apps?


Best regards,


Customer support

Tiflotecnia, Lda.




Às 10:37 de 29/08/2020, Anne Günther escreveu:

Hi
I finally updated my nvda. While "Vocalizer" works in general Nvda freezes completely in firefox as well as Thunderbird. I got the link to the driver from a message in this list from Febrauary. So I'm hoping there's a newer version where things work once more fine.
regards, Guenni



Anne Günther
 

Hi,
thanks for your quick answer. Considering the problems stopped after I updated the driver addon. I'm pretty sure the driver was the reason for them, even if you don't think so. :-)
Now everything works fine once more.
regards, Guenni


darkmad88@...
 

Hello, Rui! This driver works almost fine in my case, but there is one issue: automatic language switching doesn't work in "Say all" mode. I tried different russian+english voice combinations andsettings for automatic lang switching. It works fine in all modes except "Say all". Is there a chance to fix this?
Best regards and thank you for your work!


Rui Fontes
 

Hello!


To start debugging, two questions:

1 - In what apps are you trying the automatic language switching with SayAll?


2 - Have you any NVDA profil to sayAll?

If so, check if automatic language switching is on.


Best regards,


Customer support

Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Às 13:52 de 23/12/2020, darkmad88@... escreveu:

Hello, Rui! This driver works almost fine in my case, but there is one issue: automatic language switching doesn't work in "Say all" mode. I tried different russian+english voice combinations andsettings for automatic lang switching. It works fine in all modes except "Say all". Is there a chance to fix this?
Best regards and thank you for your work!


darkmad88@...
 

Hello!
1.  Problem exists in any app i tried: Firefox(different versions), Chromium and some other Chromium-based browsers, Akelpad, Notepad, any edit field in Windows explorer, Total Commander.
2.I have no special profile for "Say all". Even a creation of clean user config for NVDA without any other addons does not help. Also there is no difference if i use installed or portable copy of NVDA.
Thank you for so quick answer.


Rui Fontes
 

Hello!


Please, note that our automatic language switching system only works between languages belonging to different groups of characters used, by instance from hebrew to english, english to chinese and so on...

To other changes, by instance from english to portuguese, it relies on the NVDA automatic language switcing method, and this one relies in the app information... Some apps that inform the screen reader to change language are Word, browsers, Acrobate and some others...




Those apps only can request a language change if the text author have correctly marked that...


If you can send us some examples where the automatic language switching does not work...


Rui Fontes

Tiflotecnia, Lda.



Às 17:32 de 23/12/2020, darkmad88@... escreveu:

Hello!
1.  Problem exists in any app i tried: Firefox(different versions), Chromium and some other Chromium-based browsers, Akelpad, Notepad, any edit field in Windows explorer, Total Commander.
2.I have no special profile for "Say all". Even a creation of clean user config for NVDA without any other addons does not help. Also there is no difference if i use installed or portable copy of NVDA.
Thank you for so quick answer.


darkmad88@...
 

Hello!
Yes, i use russian+english language pair, so they have different character sets, latin and cyrillic.For example, you can try to read any russian site, 3dnews.ru, yandex.ru and so on. Or you can  set some of russian voices as default, correctly configure auto lang switching, and then type some english text in notepad. Then, if you will move between strings of entered text using arrows, NVDA will use english voice, previously selected for english language in auto lang switching configuration dialog, but if you'll use "say all", it will read this text with russian default voice. I also need to say, that in older versions of driver(3.0.x), there was no same issue and auto lang switching works fine everywhere, including "Say all".
I have very beginner's skills in programming, but tried to investigate what happens when i use "Say all". I found patchedSpeak function in _init.py file, located in Vocalizer driver folder and added "tones.beep(100, 100)" in it, and also "import tones" at the beginning of this file. I found that in version 3.1.2 there is no call to this function when using "Say all" (no beep occurs), and in version 3.0.8, when i use "say all", a beep occurs indicating that function patchedSpeak is called. Maybe, this information will be useful for you.


mohammad suliman
 

Hello,
I have experienced a similar bug with the latest driver. Note also that previous versions doesn't havthis issue as has been stated.
Thanks

On Wed, 23 Dec 2020 at 21:17 <darkmad88@...> wrote:
Hello!
Yes, i use russian+english language pair, so they have different character sets, latin and cyrillic.For example, you can try to read any russian site, 3dnews.ru, yandex.ru and so on. Or you can  set some of russian voices as default, correctly configure auto lang switching, and then type some english text in notepad. Then, if you will move between strings of entered text using arrows, NVDA will use english voice, previously selected for english language in auto lang switching configuration dialog, but if you'll use "say all", it will read this text with russian default voice. I also need to say, that in older versions of driver(3.0.x), there was no same issue and auto lang switching works fine everywhere, including "Say all".
I have very beginner's skills in programming, but tried to investigate what happens when i use "Say all". I found patchedSpeak function in _init.py file, located in Vocalizer driver folder and added "tones.beep(100, 100)" in it, and also "import tones" at the beginning of this file. I found that in version 3.1.2 there is no call to this function when using "Say all" (no beep occurs), and in version 3.0.8, when i use "say all", a beep occurs indicating that function patchedSpeak is called. Maybe, this information will be useful for you.


Socheat
 

@Rui, is the driver being updated? Saw 3.1.2 has been out for a long time now.

On 12/24/2020 9:22 PM, mohammad suliman wrote:
Hello,
I have experienced a similar bug with the latest driver. Note also that previous versions doesn't havthis issue as has been stated.
Thanks

On Wed, 23 Dec 2020 at 21:17 <darkmad88@...> wrote:
Hello!
Yes, i use russian+english language pair, so they have different character sets, latin and cyrillic.For example, you can try to read any russian site, 3dnews.ru, yandex.ru and so on. Or you can  set some of russian voices as default, correctly configure auto lang switching, and then type some english text in notepad. Then, if you will move between strings of entered text using arrows, NVDA will use english voice, previously selected for english language in auto lang switching configuration dialog, but if you'll use "say all", it will read this text with russian default voice. I also need to say, that in older versions of driver(3.0.x), there was no same issue and auto lang switching works fine everywhere, including "Say all".
I have very beginner's skills in programming, but tried to investigate what happens when i use "Say all". I found patchedSpeak function in _init.py file, located in Vocalizer driver folder and added "tones.beep(100, 100)" in it, and also "import tones" at the beginning of this file. I found that in version 3.1.2 there is no call to this function when using "Say all" (no beep occurs), and in version 3.0.8, when i use "say all", a beep occurs indicating that function patchedSpeak is called. Maybe, this information will be useful for you.


Rui Fontes
 

No, that is still the last version...


I have already performed some tests and it seems the problem is with the language used in NVDA interface...


Going to investigate further, since sayAll and sayLine are not treated in exactly the same way...


Rui Fontes

Tiflotecnia, Lda.





Às 14:30 de 24/12/2020, Socheat Muth escreveu:

@Rui, is the driver being updated? Saw 3.1.2 has been out for a long time now.

On 12/24/2020 9:22 PM, mohammad suliman wrote:
Hello,
I have experienced a similar bug with the latest driver. Note also that previous versions doesn't havthis issue as has been stated.
Thanks

On Wed, 23 Dec 2020 at 21:17 <darkmad88@...> wrote:
Hello!
Yes, i use russian+english language pair, so they have different character sets, latin and cyrillic.For example, you can try to read any russian site, 3dnews.ru, yandex.ru and so on. Or you can  set some of russian voices as default, correctly configure auto lang switching, and then type some english text in notepad. Then, if you will move between strings of entered text using arrows, NVDA will use english voice, previously selected for english language in auto lang switching configuration dialog, but if you'll use "say all", it will read this text with russian default voice. I also need to say, that in older versions of driver(3.0.x), there was no same issue and auto lang switching works fine everywhere, including "Say all".
I have very beginner's skills in programming, but tried to investigate what happens when i use "Say all". I found patchedSpeak function in _init.py file, located in Vocalizer driver folder and added "tones.beep(100, 100)" in it, and also "import tones" at the beginning of this file. I found that in version 3.1.2 there is no call to this function when using "Say all" (no beep occurs), and in version 3.0.8, when i use "say all", a beep occurs indicating that function patchedSpeak is called. Maybe, this information will be useful for you.


cédric Paulet
 

Good morning,

What are the links for the drivers of vocalizer expressive and vocalizer 2 compatibles with nvda 2021.1?
And what are the links for the latest voices for vocalizer expressive?
Thank you
Best regards
Cedric

-----Message d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> De la part de Rui Fontes
Envoyé : samedi 29 août 2020 12:53
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : Re: [nvda] Looking for newest vocalizer driver

Hi!


The latest one is at:

https://www.tiflotecnia.net/Instal/vocalizer_expressive_driver-3.1.2.nvda-addon


But, your problem do not appear to be caused by our driver...

Can you specify better your problem with the Mozilla apps?


Best regards,


Customer support

Tiflotecnia, Lda.




Às 10:37 de 29/08/2020, Anne Günther escreveu:
Hi
I finally updated my nvda. While "Vocalizer" works in general Nvda
freezes completely in firefox as well as Thunderbird. I got the link
to the driver from a message in this list from Febrauary. So I'm
hoping there's a newer version where things work once more fine.
regards, Guenni




Rui Fontes
 

Hello!

For Vocalizer 5.5:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/rk1d1pbffvzp9gk/vocalizer-driver_2.1.2.nvda-addon?dl=1

For Vocalizer Expressive 1.1:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/65nyehmf785d2r1/vocalizer_expressive_driver_3.1.5_Gen.nvda-addon?dl=1


The voices add-ons are not affected by changes on Python or NVDA code since they only have data for the voices and no code...


Best regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.

Às 15:15 de 15/06/2021, cédric Paulet via groups.io escreveu:

Good morning,

What are the links for the drivers of vocalizer expressive and vocalizer 2 compatibles with nvda 2021.1?
And what are the links for the latest voices for vocalizer expressive?
Thank you
Best regards
Cedric

-----Message d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> De la part de Rui Fontes
Envoyé : samedi 29 août 2020 12:53
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : Re: [nvda] Looking for newest vocalizer driver

Hi!


The latest one is at:

https://www.tiflotecnia.net/Instal/vocalizer_expressive_driver-3.1.2.nvda-addon


But, your problem do not appear to be caused by our driver...

Can you specify better your problem with the Mozilla apps?


Best regards,


Customer support

Tiflotecnia, Lda.




Às 10:37 de 29/08/2020, Anne Günther escreveu:
Hi
I finally updated my nvda. While "Vocalizer" works in general Nvda
freezes completely in firefox as well as Thunderbird. I got the link
to the driver from a message in this list from Febrauary. So I'm
hoping there's a newer version where things work once more fine.
regards, Guenni








Socheat
 

Rui,

Have you consider updating the driver download to the latest on the website when NVDA 2021.1 is released? Many people try to find it all the time, especially people who aren't subscribing to this list.

On 6/16/2021 7:05 PM, Rui Fontes wrote:
Hello!

For Vocalizer 5.5:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/rk1d1pbffvzp9gk/vocalizer-driver_2.1.2.nvda-addon?dl=1

For Vocalizer Expressive 1.1:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/65nyehmf785d2r1/vocalizer_expressive_driver_3.1.5_Gen.nvda-addon?dl=1


The voices add-ons are not affected by changes on Python or NVDA code since they only have data for the voices and no code...


Best regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.

Às 15:15 de 15/06/2021, cédric Paulet via groups.io escreveu:
Good morning,

What are the links for the drivers of vocalizer expressive and vocalizer 2 compatibles with nvda 2021.1?
And what are the links for the latest voices for vocalizer expressive?
Thank you
Best regards
Cedric

-----Message d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> De la part de Rui Fontes
Envoyé : samedi 29 août 2020 12:53
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : Re: [nvda] Looking for newest vocalizer driver

Hi!


The latest one is at:

https://www.tiflotecnia.net/Instal/vocalizer_expressive_driver-3.1.2.nvda-addon


But, your problem do not appear to be caused by our driver...

Can you specify better your problem with the Mozilla apps?


Best regards,


Customer support

Tiflotecnia, Lda.




Às 10:37 de 29/08/2020, Anne Günther escreveu:
Hi
I finally updated my nvda. While "Vocalizer" works in general Nvda
freezes completely in firefox as well as Thunderbird. I got the link
to the driver from a message in this list from Febrauary. So I'm
hoping there's a newer version where things work once more fine.
regards, Guenni











Afik Souffir <afik.souffir@...>
 

Hi
What are the deffrences between the vocalizer's versions?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rui Fontes
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 3:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Looking for newest vocalizer driver

Hello!

For Vocalizer 5.5:
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dropbox.com%2Fs%2Frk1d1pbffvzp9gk%2Fvocalizer-driver_2.1.2.nvda-addon%3Fdl%3D1&;data=04%7C01%7C%7C86ecd58ec3444aee359a08d930bf1082%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637594419431870460%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=Ll1o1HuiEJA6MiZrcScMZEVtwz0L9a6cU6G9BZz%2BK%2BA%3D&amp;reserved=0

For Vocalizer Expressive 1.1:
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dropbox.com%2Fs%2F65nyehmf785d2r1%2Fvocalizer_expressive_driver_3.1.5_Gen.nvda-addon%3Fdl%3D1&;data=04%7C01%7C%7C86ecd58ec3444aee359a08d930bf1082%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637594419431870460%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=0%2BghZnl6F%2BS8m63371c3Wy9GrKNo2rB%2BAkLIRuCsXoE%3D&amp;reserved=0


The voices add-ons are not affected by changes on Python or NVDA code since they only have data for the voices and no code...


Best regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.

Às 15:15 de 15/06/2021, cédric Paulet via groups.io escreveu:
Good morning,

What are the links for the drivers of vocalizer expressive and vocalizer 2 compatibles with nvda 2021.1?
And what are the links for the latest voices for vocalizer expressive?
Thank you
Best regards
Cedric

-----Message d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> De la part de Rui Fontes
Envoyé : samedi 29 août 2020 12:53
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : Re: [nvda] Looking for newest vocalizer driver

Hi!


The latest one is at:

https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.tiflotecnia.net%2FInstal%2Fvocalizer_expressive_driver-3.1.2.nvda-addon&;data=04%7C01%7C%7C86ecd58ec3444aee359a08d930bf1082%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637594419431870460%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=kTnQ0yd1ZhQ7iA8XU5tsxh3IEOJxfMUHWWCQaSSXRV4%3D&amp;reserved=0


But, your problem do not appear to be caused by our driver...

Can you specify better your problem with the Mozilla apps?


Best regards,


Customer support

Tiflotecnia, Lda.




Às 10:37 de 29/08/2020, Anne Günther escreveu:
Hi
I finally updated my nvda. While "Vocalizer" works in general Nvda
freezes completely in firefox as well as Thunderbird. I got the link
to the driver from a message in this list from Febrauary. So I'm
hoping there's a newer version where things work once more fine.
regards, Guenni









Rui Fontes
 

From Vocalizer to Vocalizer Expressive were added new languages and voices, including the hebrew language...


Rui Fontes

Tiflotecnia, Lda.

Às 17:33 de 16/06/2021, Afik Souffir escreveu:

Hi
What are the deffrences between the vocalizer's versions?


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rui Fontes
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 3:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Looking for newest vocalizer driver

Hello!

For Vocalizer 5.5:
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dropbox.com%2Fs%2Frk1d1pbffvzp9gk%2Fvocalizer-driver_2.1.2.nvda-addon%3Fdl%3D1&;data=04%7C01%7C%7C86ecd58ec3444aee359a08d930bf1082%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637594419431870460%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=Ll1o1HuiEJA6MiZrcScMZEVtwz0L9a6cU6G9BZz%2BK%2BA%3D&amp;reserved=0

For Vocalizer Expressive 1.1:
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dropbox.com%2Fs%2F65nyehmf785d2r1%2Fvocalizer_expressive_driver_3.1.5_Gen.nvda-addon%3Fdl%3D1&;data=04%7C01%7C%7C86ecd58ec3444aee359a08d930bf1082%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637594419431870460%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=0%2BghZnl6F%2BS8m63371c3Wy9GrKNo2rB%2BAkLIRuCsXoE%3D&amp;reserved=0


The voices add-ons are not affected by changes on Python or NVDA code since they only have data for the voices and no code...


Best regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.

Às 15:15 de 15/06/2021, cédric Paulet via groups.io escreveu:
Good morning,

What are the links for the drivers of vocalizer expressive and vocalizer 2 compatibles with nvda 2021.1?
And what are the links for the latest voices for vocalizer expressive?
Thank you
Best regards
Cedric

-----Message d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> De la part de Rui Fontes
Envoyé : samedi 29 août 2020 12:53
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : Re: [nvda] Looking for newest vocalizer driver

Hi!


The latest one is at:

https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.tiflotecnia.net%2FInstal%2Fvocalizer_expressive_driver-3.1.2.nvda-addon&;data=04%7C01%7C%7C86ecd58ec3444aee359a08d930bf1082%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637594419431870460%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=kTnQ0yd1ZhQ7iA8XU5tsxh3IEOJxfMUHWWCQaSSXRV4%3D&amp;reserved=0


But, your problem do not appear to be caused by our driver...

Can you specify better your problem with the Mozilla apps?


Best regards,


Customer support

Tiflotecnia, Lda.




Às 10:37 de 29/08/2020, Anne Günther escreveu:
Hi
I finally updated my nvda. While "Vocalizer" works in general Nvda
freezes completely in firefox as well as Thunderbird. I got the link
to the driver from a message in this list from Febrauary. So I'm
hoping there's a newer version where things work once more fine.
regards, Guenni














Rui Fontes
 

Yes.


Rui Fontes

Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Às 13:42 de 16/06/2021, Socheat escreveu:

Rui,

Have you consider updating the driver download to the latest on the website when NVDA 2021.1 is released? Many people try to find it all the time, especially people who aren't subscribing to this list.

On 6/16/2021 7:05 PM, Rui Fontes wrote:
Hello!

For Vocalizer 5.5:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/rk1d1pbffvzp9gk/vocalizer-driver_2.1.2.nvda-addon?dl=1

For Vocalizer Expressive 1.1:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/65nyehmf785d2r1/vocalizer_expressive_driver_3.1.5_Gen.nvda-addon?dl=1


The voices add-ons are not affected by changes on Python or NVDA code since they only have data for the voices and no code...


Best regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.

Às 15:15 de 15/06/2021, cédric Paulet via groups.io escreveu:
Good morning,

What are the links for the drivers of vocalizer expressive and vocalizer 2 compatibles with nvda 2021.1?
And what are the links for the latest voices for vocalizer expressive?
Thank you
Best regards
Cedric

-----Message d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> De la part de Rui Fontes
Envoyé : samedi 29 août 2020 12:53
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : Re: [nvda] Looking for newest vocalizer driver

Hi!


The latest one is at:

https://www.tiflotecnia.net/Instal/vocalizer_expressive_driver-3.1.2.nvda-addon


But, your problem do not appear to be caused by our driver...

Can you specify better your problem with the Mozilla apps?


Best regards,


Customer support

Tiflotecnia, Lda.




Às 10:37 de 29/08/2020, Anne Günther escreveu:
Hi
I finally updated my nvda. While "Vocalizer" works in general Nvda
freezes completely in firefox as well as Thunderbird. I got the link
to the driver from a message in this list from Febrauary. So I'm
hoping there's a newer version where things work once more fine.
regards, Guenni














Don H
 

It doesn't appear that there are any drivers for the Vocalizer addon for NVDA from Code Factory that will work with NVDA 2021.1


Rui Fontes
 

From Tiflotecnia they are available...


Rui Fontes

Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Às 18:17 de 16/06/2021, Don H escreveu:

It doesn't appear that there are any drivers for the Vocalizer addon for NVDA from Code Factory that will work with NVDA 2021.1





 

On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 01:17 PM, Don H wrote:
It doesn't appear that there are any drivers for the Vocalizer addon for NVDA from Code Factory that will work with NVDA 2021.1

That is an unknown.  I have submitted a ticket via Code Factory's system asking them for a status about this.

Speculation is not helpful right now, but getting straight answers from the responsible parties is.  I will post again if/when I receive a reply, probably as a dedicated topic.
 
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