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Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

 

Same here. Actually I do use Firefox way more than the other one, but I still have it, as from what I've seen some websites just seem to behave better using one and not the other.

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Marcio
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Em 09/02/2019 07:56, molly the blind tech lover escreveu:

Well internet explorer was great while it lasted. I've been using Chrome and Firefox for two years now. 

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kwork
Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2019 12:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

Actually mine launched Edge by default. Not sure why it launched IE for others.

Travis

On 2/8/2019 6:23 PM, Clarissa Mitchell wrote:
I hadn't thought of that.


On 2/8/19, Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...> wrote:
This is interesting.  So why does the Cortana voice inquiry launch 
Internet Explorer by default after a Windows install? Now I changed 
it since then, but how many people take the time to do so?


On 2/8/2019 6:50 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Article that came out today in /The Telegraph/ newspaper in the UK:

/Stop using Internet Explorer, warns Microsoft's own security chief 
<https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2019/02/08/stop-using-intern
et-explorer-warns-microsofts-security-chief/>/

If that doesn't convince people that the shelf life of IE is now 
expired, nothing will.
--

Brian *-*Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

*/A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the 
need for illusion is deep./*

           ~ Saul Bellow, /To Jerusalem and Back/


--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"






.









molly the blind tech lover
 

That's why I never open emails that look suspicious.

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Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2019 5:07 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

Indeed the pesky launching of Edge is a little annoying in windows 10.
However, I had to laugh the other day when a dodgy email came in to a lot of us at the tn. most people are sighted and either used webmail or Tbird.
Many of them got infected by some kind of pop up windows were advertising code. I did not. I am using the old Outlook Express. I thought this a little amusing. Certainly Superantispyware removed the thing for them but it just goes to show that its being careful more than outdated programs that is often the key for keeping the computer clean.

Brian

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From: "Brian Vogel" <@britechguy>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2019 1:45 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer


On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 08:16 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:


So why does the Cortana voice inquiry launch Internet Explorer by
default after a Windows install?
It hasn't in my observation since Microsoft did the forced plural marriage between Cortana, Edge, & Bing in 2016.

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molly the blind tech lover
 

I find this article very interesting. It says Microsoft does not support new development of internet explorer. No surprise there.

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Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2019 4:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

One interesting oddity I discovered lately on windows 7 was no matter when you opened the email some links in emails particularly from the British government seem to be hard wired to open the page in IE. I know this as they keep on prompting to make IE the default browser. I tend now to go to the address bar , grab the url from IE as its sluggish anyway, and launch waterfox and paste the address in there.

That seems to work very well.
Weird.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Clarissa Mitchell" <@musicgirl>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2019 1:09 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer


I hardly use IE anymore at all. For me, it's either Chrome or Firefox.
There were one or two site-specific functions I still had to use IE
for because of one thing or another, but I'm going to find a way to
access those sites with Chrome, which is my main browser. I'm still
working on that. I haven't used IE as my main browser in ages. I don't
understand why people are even still using that browser; it's outdated
and, at least on my more recent computers, slow as a snail! To me,
there's really not that much difference in using one of the other
browsers, from a screen reader standpoint anyway. You can still use a
lot of the same navigation commands. I don't know about Edge; I
haven't used it much, but as far as I can tell, Chrome and Firefox
work great with NVDA.

On 2/8/19, Brian Vogel <@britechguy> wrote:
Article that came out today in The Telegraph newspaper in the UK:

Stop using Internet Explorer, warns Microsoft's own
security chief (
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2019/02/08/stop-using-internet
-explorer-warns-microsofts-security-chief/
)

If that doesn't convince people that the shelf life of IE is now
expired, nothing will.
--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

*A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the
need for illusion is deep.*

~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back




molly the blind tech lover
 

I use firefox to access my school’s website among other things. I’m pretty sure my school still uses internet explorer in some cases.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2019 5:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

 

Same here. Actually I do use Firefox way more than the other one, but I still have it, as from what I've seen some websites just seem to behave better using one and not the other.


Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 09/02/2019 07:56, molly the blind tech lover escreveu:

Well internet explorer was great while it lasted. I've been using Chrome and Firefox for two years now. 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kwork
Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2019 12:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer
 
Actually mine launched Edge by default. Not sure why it launched IE for others.
 
Travis
 
On 2/8/2019 6:23 PM, Clarissa Mitchell wrote:
I hadn't thought of that.
 
 
On 2/8/19, Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...> wrote:
This is interesting.  So why does the Cortana voice inquiry launch 
Internet Explorer by default after a Windows install? Now I changed 
it since then, but how many people take the time to do so?
 
 
On 2/8/2019 6:50 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Article that came out today in /The Telegraph/ newspaper in the UK:
 
/Stop using Internet Explorer, warns Microsoft's own security chief 
<https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2019/02/08/stop-using-intern
et-explorer-warns-microsofts-security-chief/>/
 
If that doesn't convince people that the shelf life of IE is now 
expired, nothing will.
--
 
Brian *-*Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763
 
*/A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the 
need for illusion is deep./*
 
           ~ Saul Bellow, /To Jerusalem and Back/
 
 
--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 

Clare Page <clare.page@...>
 

Hi!
Firefox certainly works well with NVDA, I've used it 99.9% of the time for several years now: I switched to it when I had a faulty version of Internet Explorer, and haven't looked back. I haven't even opened IE for years: I have Google Chrome as a backup web browser, although I don't use it very much, but it's worked well with NVDA on the rare occasions I've used it. Good to still have a choice, even on Windows 7 which I still have, now that IE is dying!
Bye for now!
From Clare

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Clarissa Mitchell
Sent: samedi 9 février 2019 02:10
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

I hardly use IE anymore at all. For me, it's either Chrome or Firefox.
There were one or two site-specific functions I still had to use IE
for because of one thing or another, but I'm going to find a way to
access those sites with Chrome, which is my main browser. I'm still
working on that. I haven't used IE as my main browser in ages. I don't
understand why people are even still using that browser; it's outdated
and, at least on my more recent computers, slow as a snail! To me,
there's really not that much difference in using one of the other
browsers, from a screen reader standpoint anyway. You can still use a
lot of the same navigation commands. I don't know about Edge; I
haven't used it much, but as far as I can tell, Chrome and Firefox
work great with NVDA.

On 2/8/19, Brian Vogel <@britechguy> wrote:
Article that came out today in The Telegraph newspaper in the UK:

Stop using Internet Explorer, warns Microsoft's own security chief
(
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2019/02/08/stop-using-internet-explorer-warns-microsofts-security-chief/
)

If that doesn't convince people that the shelf life of IE is now expired,
nothing will.
--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

*A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for
illusion is deep.*

~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back



molly the blind tech lover
 

I only use chrome on my phone. But on my laptop and tablet I use firefox 100% of the time.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Clare Page
Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2019 5:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

Hi!
Firefox certainly works well with NVDA, I've used it 99.9% of the time for several years now: I switched to it when I had a faulty version of Internet Explorer, and haven't looked back. I haven't even opened IE for years: I have Google Chrome as a backup web browser, although I don't use it very much, but it's worked well with NVDA on the rare occasions I've used it. Good to still have a choice, even on Windows 7 which I still have, now that IE is dying!
Bye for now!
From Clare

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Clarissa Mitchell
Sent: samedi 9 février 2019 02:10
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

I hardly use IE anymore at all. For me, it's either Chrome or Firefox.
There were one or two site-specific functions I still had to use IE for because of one thing or another, but I'm going to find a way to access those sites with Chrome, which is my main browser. I'm still working on that. I haven't used IE as my main browser in ages. I don't understand why people are even still using that browser; it's outdated and, at least on my more recent computers, slow as a snail! To me, there's really not that much difference in using one of the other browsers, from a screen reader standpoint anyway. You can still use a lot of the same navigation commands. I don't know about Edge; I haven't used it much, but as far as I can tell, Chrome and Firefox work great with NVDA.

On 2/8/19, Brian Vogel <@britechguy> wrote:
Article that came out today in The Telegraph newspaper in the UK:

Stop using Internet Explorer, warns Microsoft's own security
chief (
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2019/02/08/stop-using-internet-
explorer-warns-microsofts-security-chief/
)

If that doesn't convince people that the shelf life of IE is now
expired, nothing will.
--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

*A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the
need for illusion is deep.*

~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back



Gene
 

I don't know if Outlook Express was the issue.  We don't know how other people had their e-mail programs set.  Or I sahould say I don't; I don't know if you know.  When you say they got infected, did they just open an e-mail or open an attachment?  Do you read mail as plain text or HTML? 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2019 4:06 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

Indeed the pesky launching of Edge is a little annoying in windows 10.
 However, I had to laugh the other day when a dodgy email  came in to a lot
of us at the tn. most people are sighted and either used webmail or Tbird.
Many of them got infected by some kind of  pop up windows were advertising
code. I did not. I am using the old Outlook Express. I thought this a little
amusing. Certainly Superantispyware removed the  thing for them but it just
goes to show that  its being careful more than outdated programs that is
often the key for keeping the computer clean.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2019 1:45 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet
Explorer


On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 08:16 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:

>
> So why does the Cortana voice inquiry launch Internet Explorer by default
> after a Windows install?

It hasn't in my observation since Microsoft did the forced plural marriage
between Cortana, Edge, & Bing in 2016.

--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

*A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for
illusion is deep.*

~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back






JM Casey
 

I haven’t played with Chrome’s much, but Firefox has pretty great bookmark management. What is it that you can do with iE that you can’t with Firefox regarding bookmarks, or favourites, as I believe they were called in IE?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of MAX
Sent: February 8, 2019 11:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

 

The management of favorites in chrome and Firefox is almost nonexistent.  I use explorer to update and manage my favorites file.   Why can’t programmers leave things alone. Especially things that work.

 

 

73 (Regards).

 

Max K 4 O D S.

 

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

 

Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2019 8:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

 

You may not find ways that work as well to use those sites.  You may continue using Internet Explorer with them.  It’s the browser you use as the main browser that is the issue, not the browser you use for occasional accessibility purposes with this or that site. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Rosemarie ChavarrFrom: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Clarissa Mitchell
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 5:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

I hardly use IE anymore at all. For me, it's either Chrome or Firefox.
There were one or two site-specific functions I still had to use IE for because of one thing or another, but I'm going to find a way to access those sites with Chrome, which is my main browser. I'm still working on that. I haven't used IE as my main browser in ages. I don't understand why people are even still using that browser; it's outdated and, at least on my more recent computers, slow as a snail! To me, there's really not that much difference in using one of the other browsers, from a screen reader standpoint anyway. You can still use a lot of the same navigation commands. I don't know about Edge; I haven't used it much, but as far as I can tell, Chrome and Firefox work great with NVDA.

On 2/8/19, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
> Article that came out today in The Telegraph newspaper in the UK:
>
>           Stop using Internet Explorer, warns Microsoft's own security
> chief (
> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2019/02/08/stop-using-internet-
> explorer-warns-microsofts-security-chief/
> )
>
> If that doesn't convince people that the shelf life of IE is now
> expired, nothing will.
> --
>
> Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763
>
> *A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the
> need for illusion is deep.*
>
>           ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back
>
>
>
>




MAX <max@...>
 

Hi Gene.

 

You have been mostly helpful to me in the past so I’ll be civil to you.  If you understand how I work with a computer and screen reader maybe you’ll be a little more understanding. 

 

I have some vision and a magnifying glass mounted in glasses frames so I can use it hands free.  It helped me get through the university of Florida E E program, 35 years of employment, and it still serves me in retirement.   Using this magnifier I can see the contents of a circle about ½ inch in diameter.  I can see icons and the contents of menus.  If I have more than 3 or 4 words to read I turn the job over to a screen reader.  Most makers of screen readers assume that people are totally sighted or totally blind with nobody between.  I think the statistics of blind and visually impaired say just the opposite.  I am aware that nvda developers have acknowledged this through the mouse tracking feature.  I have it turned on and use it all the time.  The play audio coordinates when mouse moves would be useful to me if the tones were not so loud.  I couldn’t find a volume control that would effect only the tones.  Sorry for the digression. 

 

Now to the current problem.  I have spent a lot of time visually looking through the menu in fire fox and have never seen the one that is invoked by alt B.  How do the fully sighted know about this Easter egg?  Now that I know this secret I will use it regularly to manage my bookmarks.  Furthermore When I have the bookmarks open nvda reads each line of the menu but makes no distinction between direct links and folders.  A fully sighted person can see the menus that pop up on the right side of the list of bookmarks but nvda makes no announcement of folder.

 

You wrote of a search bookmarks feature.  I haven’t visually seen  that one in the menu either.  How does it work? 

 

 

73 (Regards).

 

Max K 4 O D S.

 

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

 

Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2019 11:21 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

 

What do you mean by the management is almost nonexistent?  You can move bookmarks around in Firefox.  I assume you can in Chrome as well.  Instead of assuming something isn't available or doesn't exist, ask here or get some sort of documentation or tutorial.  You'll save yourself a lot of trouble.

 

Open the bookmarks menu with alt b.

Move to a bookmark in Firefox.  Open the context menu.  Down arrow to cut.  Press enter.

Then move to where you want the bookmark to be.  Open the context menu and find paste.  Press enter.

The bookmark has been moved.

However, I almost never move or organize bookmarks in Firefox because of the very good search for bookmarks feature.  If you are interested, I'll describe it.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: MAX

Sent: Friday, February 08, 2019 10:01 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

 

The management of favorites in chrome and Firefox is almost nonexistent.  I use explorer to update and manage my favorites file.   Why can’t programmers leave things alone. Especially things that work.

 

 

73 (Regards).

 

Max K 4 O D S.

 

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

 

Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2019 8:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

 

You may not find ways that work as well to use those sites.  You may continue using Internet Explorer with them.  It’s the browser you use as the main browser that is the issue, not the browser you use for occasional accessibility purposes with this or that site. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Rosemarie ChavarrFrom: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Clarissa Mitchell
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 5:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

I hardly use IE anymore at all. For me, it's either Chrome or Firefox.
There were one or two site-specific functions I still had to use IE for because of one thing or another, but I'm going to find a way to access those sites with Chrome, which is my main browser. I'm still working on that. I haven't used IE as my main browser in ages. I don't understand why people are even still using that browser; it's outdated and, at least on my more recent computers, slow as a snail! To me, there's really not that much difference in using one of the other browsers, from a screen reader standpoint anyway. You can still use a lot of the same navigation commands. I don't know about Edge; I haven't used it much, but as far as I can tell, Chrome and Firefox work great with NVDA.

On 2/8/19, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
> Article that came out today in The Telegraph newspaper in the UK:
>
>           Stop using Internet Explorer, warns Microsoft's own security
> chief (
> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2019/02/08/stop-using-internet-
> explorer-warns-microsofts-security-chief/
> )
>
> If that doesn't convince people that the shelf life of IE is now
> expired, nothing will.
> --
>
> Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763
>
> *A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the
> need for illusion is deep.*
>
>           ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back
>
>
>
>




Gene
 

I'm sorry you misinterpreted my comment.  I'm saying that you assumed you couldn't manage book marks.  Instead of assuming, if you ask here or use some sort of documentation or instructional material, you will save yourself time and trouble, perhaps a lot.  I'm speaking in general, concerning programs and Windows.
 
It isn't an easter egg.  There is nothing hidden about this.  It is common to have context menus in various structures of a program.
 
I don't know how sighted people learn this.  I learned it because, whenever I want to see how to do something more easily or where there appears to be no way, if I am in a list or a menu, I look through the context menu. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: MAX
Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2019 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

Hi Gene.

 

You have been mostly helpful to me in the past so I’ll be civil to you.  If you understand how I work with a computer and screen reader maybe you’ll be a little more understanding. 

 

I have some vision and a magnifying glass mounted in glasses frames so I can use it hands free.  It helped me get through the university of Florida E E program, 35 years of employment, and it still serves me in retirement.   Using this magnifier I can see the contents of a circle about ½ inch in diameter.  I can see icons and the contents of menus.  If I have more than 3 or 4 words to read I turn the job over to a screen reader.  Most makers of screen readers assume that people are totally sighted or totally blind with nobody between.  I think the statistics of blind and visually impaired say just the opposite.  I am aware that nvda developers have acknowledged this through the mouse tracking feature.  I have it turned on and use it all the time.  The play audio coordinates when mouse moves would be useful to me if the tones were not so loud.  I couldn’t find a volume control that would effect only the tones.  Sorry for the digression. 

 

Now to the current problem.  I have spent a lot of time visually looking through the menu in fire fox and have never seen the one that is invoked by alt B.  How do the fully sighted know about this Easter egg?  Now that I know this secret I will use it regularly to manage my bookmarks.  Furthermore When I have the bookmarks open nvda reads each line of the menu but makes no distinction between direct links and folders.  A fully sighted person can see the menus that pop up on the right side of the list of bookmarks but nvda makes no announcement of folder.

 

You wrote of a search bookmarks feature.  I haven’t visually seen  that one in the menu either.  How does it work? 

 

 

73 (Regards).

 

Max K 4 O D S.

 

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

 

Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2019 11:21 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

 

What do you mean by the management is almost nonexistent?  You can move bookmarks around in Firefox.  I assume you can in Chrome as well.  Instead of assuming something isn't available or doesn't exist, ask here or get some sort of documentation or tutorial.  You'll save yourself a lot of trouble.

 

Open the bookmarks menu with alt b.

Move to a bookmark in Firefox.  Open the context menu.  Down arrow to cut.  Press enter.

Then move to where you want the bookmark to be.  Open the context menu and find paste.  Press enter.

The bookmark has been moved.

However, I almost never move or organize bookmarks in Firefox because of the very good search for bookmarks feature.  If you are interested, I'll describe it.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: MAX

Sent: Friday, February 08, 2019 10:01 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

 

The management of favorites in chrome and Firefox is almost nonexistent.  I use explorer to update and manage my favorites file.   Why can’t programmers leave things alone. Especially things that work.

 

 

73 (Regards).

 

Max K 4 O D S.

 

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

 

Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2019 8:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

 

You may not find ways that work as well to use those sites.  You may continue using Internet Explorer with them.  It’s the browser you use as the main browser that is the issue, not the browser you use for occasional accessibility purposes with this or that site. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Rosemarie ChavarrFrom: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Clarissa Mitchell
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 5:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

I hardly use IE anymore at all. For me, it's either Chrome or Firefox.
There were one or two site-specific functions I still had to use IE for because of one thing or another, but I'm going to find a way to access those sites with Chrome, which is my main browser. I'm still working on that. I haven't used IE as my main browser in ages. I don't understand why people are even still using that browser; it's outdated and, at least on my more recent computers, slow as a snail! To me, there's really not that much difference in using one of the other browsers, from a screen reader standpoint anyway. You can still use a lot of the same navigation commands. I don't know about Edge; I haven't used it much, but as far as I can tell, Chrome and Firefox work great with NVDA.

On 2/8/19, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
> Article that came out today in The Telegraph newspaper in the UK:
>
>           Stop using Internet Explorer, warns Microsoft's own security
> chief (
> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2019/02/08/stop-using-internet-
> explorer-warns-microsofts-security-chief/
> )
>
> If that doesn't convince people that the shelf life of IE is now
> expired, nothing will.
> --
>
> Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763
>
> *A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the
> need for illusion is deep.*
>
>           ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back
>
>
>
>




Gene
 

As far as folder, I don't know how you are opening book marks.  If you open them the way I described, I think it presents a structure like that in Internet Explorer.  But as I said, and I'll add a bit here, if you want to find a bookmark and you remember a word or phrase that won't be repeated at all or much in other bookmarks, you can use the search bookmarks feature.  You can type, for example, rk times or rk and the letters ti to find new york times bookmarks.  I'll explain the feature more if you want to know. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: MAX
Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2019 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

Hi Gene.

 

You have been mostly helpful to me in the past so I’ll be civil to you.  If you understand how I work with a computer and screen reader maybe you’ll be a little more understanding. 

 

I have some vision and a magnifying glass mounted in glasses frames so I can use it hands free.  It helped me get through the university of Florida E E program, 35 years of employment, and it still serves me in retirement.   Using this magnifier I can see the contents of a circle about ½ inch in diameter.  I can see icons and the contents of menus.  If I have more than 3 or 4 words to read I turn the job over to a screen reader.  Most makers of screen readers assume that people are totally sighted or totally blind with nobody between.  I think the statistics of blind and visually impaired say just the opposite.  I am aware that nvda developers have acknowledged this through the mouse tracking feature.  I have it turned on and use it all the time.  The play audio coordinates when mouse moves would be useful to me if the tones were not so loud.  I couldn’t find a volume control that would effect only the tones.  Sorry for the digression. 

 

Now to the current problem.  I have spent a lot of time visually looking through the menu in fire fox and have never seen the one that is invoked by alt B.  How do the fully sighted know about this Easter egg?  Now that I know this secret I will use it regularly to manage my bookmarks.  Furthermore When I have the bookmarks open nvda reads each line of the menu but makes no distinction between direct links and folders.  A fully sighted person can see the menus that pop up on the right side of the list of bookmarks but nvda makes no announcement of folder.

 

You wrote of a search bookmarks feature.  I haven’t visually seen  that one in the menu either.  How does it work? 

 

 

73 (Regards).

 

Max K 4 O D S.

 

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

 

Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2019 11:21 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

 

What do you mean by the management is almost nonexistent?  You can move bookmarks around in Firefox.  I assume you can in Chrome as well.  Instead of assuming something isn't available or doesn't exist, ask here or get some sort of documentation or tutorial.  You'll save yourself a lot of trouble.

 

Open the bookmarks menu with alt b.

Move to a bookmark in Firefox.  Open the context menu.  Down arrow to cut.  Press enter.

Then move to where you want the bookmark to be.  Open the context menu and find paste.  Press enter.

The bookmark has been moved.

However, I almost never move or organize bookmarks in Firefox because of the very good search for bookmarks feature.  If you are interested, I'll describe it.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: MAX

Sent: Friday, February 08, 2019 10:01 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

 

The management of favorites in chrome and Firefox is almost nonexistent.  I use explorer to update and manage my favorites file.   Why can’t programmers leave things alone. Especially things that work.

 

 

73 (Regards).

 

Max K 4 O D S.

 

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

 

Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2019 8:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

 

You may not find ways that work as well to use those sites.  You may continue using Internet Explorer with them.  It’s the browser you use as the main browser that is the issue, not the browser you use for occasional accessibility purposes with this or that site. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Rosemarie ChavarrFrom: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Clarissa Mitchell
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 5:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

I hardly use IE anymore at all. For me, it's either Chrome or Firefox.
There were one or two site-specific functions I still had to use IE for because of one thing or another, but I'm going to find a way to access those sites with Chrome, which is my main browser. I'm still working on that. I haven't used IE as my main browser in ages. I don't understand why people are even still using that browser; it's outdated and, at least on my more recent computers, slow as a snail! To me, there's really not that much difference in using one of the other browsers, from a screen reader standpoint anyway. You can still use a lot of the same navigation commands. I don't know about Edge; I haven't used it much, but as far as I can tell, Chrome and Firefox work great with NVDA.

On 2/8/19, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
> Article that came out today in The Telegraph newspaper in the UK:
>
>           Stop using Internet Explorer, warns Microsoft's own security
> chief (
> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2019/02/08/stop-using-internet-
> explorer-warns-microsofts-security-chief/
> )
>
> If that doesn't convince people that the shelf life of IE is now
> expired, nothing will.
> --
>
> Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763
>
> *A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the
> need for illusion is deep.*
>
>           ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back
>
>
>
>




Gene
 

I gave some information about how to use the search bookmarks feature in my last message.  Here is a little more information.
 
To open the search bookmarks feature, use the command control I.  When the search field comes up, type what you want to type and then tab once.  You will be in a list of results.  Press enter on the one you want.  When the page comes up, close the search feature with control I.  It’s a toggle.
 
I don't remember how I learned about it.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: MAX
Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2019 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

Hi Gene.

 

You have been mostly helpful to me in the past so I’ll be civil to you.  If you understand how I work with a computer and screen reader maybe you’ll be a little more understanding. 

 

I have some vision and a magnifying glass mounted in glasses frames so I can use it hands free.  It helped me get through the university of Florida E E program, 35 years of employment, and it still serves me in retirement.   Using this magnifier I can see the contents of a circle about ½ inch in diameter.  I can see icons and the contents of menus.  If I have more than 3 or 4 words to read I turn the job over to a screen reader.  Most makers of screen readers assume that people are totally sighted or totally blind with nobody between.  I think the statistics of blind and visually impaired say just the opposite.  I am aware that nvda developers have acknowledged this through the mouse tracking feature.  I have it turned on and use it all the time.  The play audio coordinates when mouse moves would be useful to me if the tones were not so loud.  I couldn’t find a volume control that would effect only the tones.  Sorry for the digression. 

 

Now to the current problem.  I have spent a lot of time visually looking through the menu in fire fox and have never seen the one that is invoked by alt B.  How do the fully sighted know about this Easter egg?  Now that I know this secret I will use it regularly to manage my bookmarks.  Furthermore When I have the bookmarks open nvda reads each line of the menu but makes no distinction between direct links and folders.  A fully sighted person can see the menus that pop up on the right side of the list of bookmarks but nvda makes no announcement of folder.

 

You wrote of a search bookmarks feature.  I haven’t visually seen  that one in the menu either.  How does it work? 

 

 

73 (Regards).

 

Max K 4 O D S.

 

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

 

Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2019 11:21 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

 

What do you mean by the management is almost nonexistent?  You can move bookmarks around in Firefox.  I assume you can in Chrome as well.  Instead of assuming something isn't available or doesn't exist, ask here or get some sort of documentation or tutorial.  You'll save yourself a lot of trouble.

 

Open the bookmarks menu with alt b.

Move to a bookmark in Firefox.  Open the context menu.  Down arrow to cut.  Press enter.

Then move to where you want the bookmark to be.  Open the context menu and find paste.  Press enter.

The bookmark has been moved.

However, I almost never move or organize bookmarks in Firefox because of the very good search for bookmarks feature.  If you are interested, I'll describe it.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: MAX

Sent: Friday, February 08, 2019 10:01 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

 

The management of favorites in chrome and Firefox is almost nonexistent.  I use explorer to update and manage my favorites file.   Why can’t programmers leave things alone. Especially things that work.

 

 

73 (Regards).

 

Max K 4 O D S.

 

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

 

Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2019 8:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

 

You may not find ways that work as well to use those sites.  You may continue using Internet Explorer with them.  It’s the browser you use as the main browser that is the issue, not the browser you use for occasional accessibility purposes with this or that site. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Rosemarie ChavarrFrom: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Clarissa Mitchell
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 5:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

I hardly use IE anymore at all. For me, it's either Chrome or Firefox.
There were one or two site-specific functions I still had to use IE for because of one thing or another, but I'm going to find a way to access those sites with Chrome, which is my main browser. I'm still working on that. I haven't used IE as my main browser in ages. I don't understand why people are even still using that browser; it's outdated and, at least on my more recent computers, slow as a snail! To me, there's really not that much difference in using one of the other browsers, from a screen reader standpoint anyway. You can still use a lot of the same navigation commands. I don't know about Edge; I haven't used it much, but as far as I can tell, Chrome and Firefox work great with NVDA.

On 2/8/19, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
> Article that came out today in The Telegraph newspaper in the UK:
>
>           Stop using Internet Explorer, warns Microsoft's own security
> chief (
> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2019/02/08/stop-using-internet-
> explorer-warns-microsofts-security-chief/
> )
>
> If that doesn't convince people that the shelf life of IE is now
> expired, nothing will.
> --
>
> Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763
>
> *A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the
> need for illusion is deep.*
>
>           ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back
>
>
>
>




JM Casey
 

Not only is it not an “easter egg”, but it’s one of the choices right there in the menu bar that’s at the top of the screen in every version of the programme.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: February 9, 2019 1:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

 

I'm sorry you misinterpreted my comment.  I'm saying that you assumed you couldn't manage book marks.  Instead of assuming, if you ask here or use some sort of documentation or instructional material, you will save yourself time and trouble, perhaps a lot.  I'm speaking in general, concerning programs and Windows.

 

It isn't an easter egg.  There is nothing hidden about this.  It is common to have context menus in various structures of a program.

 

I don't know how sighted people learn this.  I learned it because, whenever I want to see how to do something more easily or where there appears to be no way, if I am in a list or a menu, I look through the context menu. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: MAX

Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2019 11:46 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

 

Hi Gene.

 

You have been mostly helpful to me in the past so I’ll be civil to you.  If you understand how I work with a computer and screen reader maybe you’ll be a little more understanding. 

 

I have some vision and a magnifying glass mounted in glasses frames so I can use it hands free.  It helped me get through the university of Florida E E program, 35 years of employment, and it still serves me in retirement.   Using this magnifier I can see the contents of a circle about ½ inch in diameter.  I can see icons and the contents of menus.  If I have more than 3 or 4 words to read I turn the job over to a screen reader.  Most makers of screen readers assume that people are totally sighted or totally blind with nobody between.  I think the statistics of blind and visually impaired say just the opposite.  I am aware that nvda developers have acknowledged this through the mouse tracking feature.  I have it turned on and use it all the time.  The play audio coordinates when mouse moves would be useful to me if the tones were not so loud.  I couldn’t find a volume control that would effect only the tones.  Sorry for the digression. 

 

Now to the current problem.  I have spent a lot of time visually looking through the menu in fire fox and have never seen the one that is invoked by alt B.  How do the fully sighted know about this Easter egg?  Now that I know this secret I will use it regularly to manage my bookmarks.  Furthermore When I have the bookmarks open nvda reads each line of the menu but makes no distinction between direct links and folders.  A fully sighted person can see the menus that pop up on the right side of the list of bookmarks but nvda makes no announcement of folder.

 

You wrote of a search bookmarks feature.  I haven’t visually seen  that one in the menu either.  How does it work? 

 

 

73 (Regards).

 

Max K 4 O D S.

 

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

 

Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2019 11:21 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

 

What do you mean by the management is almost nonexistent?  You can move bookmarks around in Firefox.  I assume you can in Chrome as well.  Instead of assuming something isn't available or doesn't exist, ask here or get some sort of documentation or tutorial.  You'll save yourself a lot of trouble.

 

Open the bookmarks menu with alt b.

Move to a bookmark in Firefox.  Open the context menu.  Down arrow to cut.  Press enter.

Then move to where you want the bookmark to be.  Open the context menu and find paste.  Press enter.

The bookmark has been moved.

However, I almost never move or organize bookmarks in Firefox because of the very good search for bookmarks feature.  If you are interested, I'll describe it.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: MAX

Sent: Friday, February 08, 2019 10:01 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

 

The management of favorites in chrome and Firefox is almost nonexistent.  I use explorer to update and manage my favorites file.   Why can’t programmers leave things alone. Especially things that work.

 

 

73 (Regards).

 

Max K 4 O D S.

 

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

 

Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2019 8:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

 

You may not find ways that work as well to use those sites.  You may continue using Internet Explorer with them.  It’s the browser you use as the main browser that is the issue, not the browser you use for occasional accessibility purposes with this or that site. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Rosemarie ChavarrFrom: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Clarissa Mitchell
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 5:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

I hardly use IE anymore at all. For me, it's either Chrome or Firefox.
There were one or two site-specific functions I still had to use IE for because of one thing or another, but I'm going to find a way to access those sites with Chrome, which is my main browser. I'm still working on that. I haven't used IE as my main browser in ages. I don't understand why people are even still using that browser; it's outdated and, at least on my more recent computers, slow as a snail! To me, there's really not that much difference in using one of the other browsers, from a screen reader standpoint anyway. You can still use a lot of the same navigation commands. I don't know about Edge; I haven't used it much, but as far as I can tell, Chrome and Firefox work great with NVDA.

On 2/8/19, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
> Article that came out today in The Telegraph newspaper in the UK:
>
>           Stop using Internet Explorer, warns Microsoft's own security
> chief (
> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2019/02/08/stop-using-internet-
> explorer-warns-microsofts-security-chief/
> )
>
> If that doesn't convince people that the shelf life of IE is now
> expired, nothing will.
> --
>
> Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763
>
> *A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the
> need for illusion is deep.*
>
>           ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back
>
>
>
>



 

On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 01:55 PM, JM Casey wrote:
Not only is it not an “easter egg”, but it’s one of the choices right there in the menu bar that’s at the top of the screen in every version of the programme.
I may have turned it off, but I no longer have the Bookmarks toolbar on either Firefox or Chrome because I find them a waste of space.

It is, however, a given that any web browser has a bookmarking mechanism, and with the exception of IE (and maybe Edge) every one of them uses the terminology, bookmarks.

I am sighted, and I've been using web browsers since they first came into existence, and I have no recollection about how I came to know about favorites/bookmarks at this juncture.  But once I knew they were a standard feature of any web browser, a quick web search on the browser name and the word "bookmarks" returns more documentation on how to use them for that browser than you will ever be able to plow through (or would want to).  For example:

                    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=chrome+bookmarks

                    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=firefox+bookmarks

                    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=opera+bookmarks

                    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=waterfox+bookmarks 

and so on and so on and so on.

I'm sorry, but anyone who has been using the internet for decades, regardless of whether they can see or not, should know how to do a simple web search for information this basic (and significantly less basic).   This is an essential skill that I cannot fathom anyone who browses the web not having learned how to do, and early.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 

 

By the way, he same search results for bookmarks in all browsers are being returned if I use the search term "favorites" instead of bookmarks.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Gene,

 

I tried that in chrome and it didn't work but it does work in waterfoc.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2019 10:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

 

I gave some information about how to use the search bookmarks feature in my last message.  Here is a little more information.

 

To open the search bookmarks feature, use the command control I.  When the search field comes up, type what you want to type and then tab once.  You will be in a list of results.  Press enter on the one you want.  When the page comes up, close the search feature with control I.  It’s a toggle.

 

I don't remember how I learned about it.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: MAX

Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2019 11:46 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

 

Hi Gene.

 

You have been mostly helpful to me in the past so I’ll be civil to you.  If you understand how I work with a computer and screen reader maybe you’ll be a little more understanding. 

 

I have some vision and a magnifying glass mounted in glasses frames so I can use it hands free.  It helped me get through the university of Florida E E program, 35 years of employment, and it still serves me in retirement.   Using this magnifier I can see the contents of a circle about ½ inch in diameter.  I can see icons and the contents of menus.  If I have more than 3 or 4 words to read I turn the job over to a screen reader.  Most makers of screen readers assume that people are totally sighted or totally blind with nobody between.  I think the statistics of blind and visually impaired say just the opposite.  I am aware that nvda developers have acknowledged this through the mouse tracking feature.  I have it turned on and use it all the time.  The play audio coordinates when mouse moves would be useful to me if the tones were not so loud.  I couldn’t find a volume control that would effect only the tones.  Sorry for the digression. 

 

Now to the current problem.  I have spent a lot of time visually looking through the menu in fire fox and have never seen the one that is invoked by alt B.  How do the fully sighted know about this Easter egg?  Now that I know this secret I will use it regularly to manage my bookmarks.  Furthermore When I have the bookmarks open nvda reads each line of the menu but makes no distinction between direct links and folders.  A fully sighted person can see the menus that pop up on the right side of the list of bookmarks but nvda makes no announcement of folder.

 

You wrote of a search bookmarks feature.  I haven’t visually seen  that one in the menu either.  How does it work? 

 

 

73 (Regards).

 

Max K 4 O D S.

 

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

 

Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2019 11:21 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

 

What do you mean by the management is almost nonexistent?  You can move bookmarks around in Firefox.  I assume you can in Chrome as well.  Instead of assuming something isn't available or doesn't exist, ask here or get some sort of documentation or tutorial.  You'll save yourself a lot of trouble.

 

Open the bookmarks menu with alt b.

Move to a bookmark in Firefox.  Open the context menu.  Down arrow to cut.  Press enter.

Then move to where you want the bookmark to be.  Open the context menu and find paste.  Press enter.

The bookmark has been moved.

However, I almost never move or organize bookmarks in Firefox because of the very good search for bookmarks feature.  If you are interested, I'll describe it.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: MAX

Sent: Friday, February 08, 2019 10:01 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

 

The management of favorites in chrome and Firefox is almost nonexistent.  I use explorer to update and manage my favorites file.   Why can’t programmers leave things alone. Especially things that work.

 

 

73 (Regards).

 

Max K 4 O D S.

 

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

 

Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2019 8:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

 

You may not find ways that work as well to use those sites.  You may continue using Internet Explorer with them.  It’s the browser you use as the main browser that is the issue, not the browser you use for occasional accessibility purposes with this or that site. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Rosemarie ChavarrFrom: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Clarissa Mitchell
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 5:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

I hardly use IE anymore at all. For me, it's either Chrome or Firefox.
There were one or two site-specific functions I still had to use IE for because of one thing or another, but I'm going to find a way to access those sites with Chrome, which is my main browser. I'm still working on that. I haven't used IE as my main browser in ages. I don't understand why people are even still using that browser; it's outdated and, at least on my more recent computers, slow as a snail! To me, there's really not that much difference in using one of the other browsers, from a screen reader standpoint anyway. You can still use a lot of the same navigation commands. I don't know about Edge; I haven't used it much, but as far as I can tell, Chrome and Firefox work great with NVDA.

On 2/8/19, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
> Article that came out today in The Telegraph newspaper in the UK:
>
>           Stop using Internet Explorer, warns Microsoft's own security
> chief (
> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2019/02/08/stop-using-internet-
> explorer-warns-microsofts-security-chief/
> )
>
> If that doesn't convince people that the shelf life of IE is now
> expired, nothing will.
> --
>
> Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763
>
> *A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the
> need for illusion is deep.*
>
>           ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back
>
>
>
>



MAX <max@...>
 

Hi Gene.

 

I called it up the way you told me.  Obviously the bookmarks aren’t secret but they must be called something else in the menu because there is nothing called bookmarks in the Firefox open menu.  I did find this time that if I down arrow through the list nvda does announce sub menu on items marked with a folder icon.  I tried to find out on my own how to search for something in the bookmarks.  I selected help and typed search in bookmarks.  The list of topics seemed only tangentially  related to my question.  That has been my experience with help files in general ever since I started using a PC.  It seems I don’t type the correct words to bring up the correct help file.  So please tell me how to search the bookmarks beginning at the beginning.

 

 

73 (Regards).

 

Max K 4 O D S.

 

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

 

Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2019 12:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

 

As far as folder, I don't know how you are opening book marks.  If you open them the way I described, I think it presents a structure like that in Internet Explorer.  But as I said, and I'll add a bit here, if you want to find a bookmark and you remember a word or phrase that won't be repeated at all or much in other bookmarks, you can use the search bookmarks feature.  You can type, for example, rk times or rk and the letters ti to find new york times bookmarks.  I'll explain the feature more if you want to know. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: MAX

Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2019 11:46 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

 

Hi Gene.

 

You have been mostly helpful to me in the past so I’ll be civil to you.  If you understand how I work with a computer and screen reader maybe you’ll be a little more understanding. 

 

I have some vision and a magnifying glass mounted in glasses frames so I can use it hands free.  It helped me get through the university of Florida E E program, 35 years of employment, and it still serves me in retirement.   Using this magnifier I can see the contents of a circle about ½ inch in diameter.  I can see icons and the contents of menus.  If I have more than 3 or 4 words to read I turn the job over to a screen reader.  Most makers of screen readers assume that people are totally sighted or totally blind with nobody between.  I think the statistics of blind and visually impaired say just the opposite.  I am aware that nvda developers have acknowledged this through the mouse tracking feature.  I have it turned on and use it all the time.  The play audio coordinates when mouse moves would be useful to me if the tones were not so loud.  I couldn’t find a volume control that would effect only the tones.  Sorry for the digression. 

 

Now to the current problem.  I have spent a lot of time visually looking through the menu in fire fox and have never seen the one that is invoked by alt B.  How do the fully sighted know about this Easter egg?  Now that I know this secret I will use it regularly to manage my bookmarks.  Furthermore When I have the bookmarks open nvda reads each line of the menu but makes no distinction between direct links and folders.  A fully sighted person can see the menus that pop up on the right side of the list of bookmarks but nvda makes no announcement of folder.

 

You wrote of a search bookmarks feature.  I haven’t visually seen  that one in the menu either.  How does it work? 

 

 

73 (Regards).

 

Max K 4 O D S.

 

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

 

Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2019 11:21 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

 

What do you mean by the management is almost nonexistent?  You can move bookmarks around in Firefox.  I assume you can in Chrome as well.  Instead of assuming something isn't available or doesn't exist, ask here or get some sort of documentation or tutorial.  You'll save yourself a lot of trouble.

 

Open the bookmarks menu with alt b.

Move to a bookmark in Firefox.  Open the context menu.  Down arrow to cut.  Press enter.

Then move to where you want the bookmark to be.  Open the context menu and find paste.  Press enter.

The bookmark has been moved.

However, I almost never move or organize bookmarks in Firefox because of the very good search for bookmarks feature.  If you are interested, I'll describe it.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: MAX

Sent: Friday, February 08, 2019 10:01 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

 

The management of favorites in chrome and Firefox is almost nonexistent.  I use explorer to update and manage my favorites file.   Why can’t programmers leave things alone. Especially things that work.

 

 

73 (Regards).

 

Max K 4 O D S.

 

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

 

Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2019 8:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

 

You may not find ways that work as well to use those sites.  You may continue using Internet Explorer with them.  It’s the browser you use as the main browser that is the issue, not the browser you use for occasional accessibility purposes with this or that site. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Rosemarie ChavarrFrom: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Clarissa Mitchell
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 5:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

I hardly use IE anymore at all. For me, it's either Chrome or Firefox.
There were one or two site-specific functions I still had to use IE for because of one thing or another, but I'm going to find a way to access those sites with Chrome, which is my main browser. I'm still working on that. I haven't used IE as my main browser in ages. I don't understand why people are even still using that browser; it's outdated and, at least on my more recent computers, slow as a snail! To me, there's really not that much difference in using one of the other browsers, from a screen reader standpoint anyway. You can still use a lot of the same navigation commands. I don't know about Edge; I haven't used it much, but as far as I can tell, Chrome and Firefox work great with NVDA.

On 2/8/19, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
> Article that came out today in The Telegraph newspaper in the UK:
>
>           Stop using Internet Explorer, warns Microsoft's own security
> chief (
> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2019/02/08/stop-using-internet-
> explorer-warns-microsofts-security-chief/
> )
>
> If that doesn't convince people that the shelf life of IE is now
> expired, nothing will.
> --
>
> Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763
>
> *A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the
> need for illusion is deep.*
>
>           ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back
>
>
>
>



 

In Firefox, Bookmarks can be found under the Library category from the main menu button or via the Firefox conventional menu, which can be invoked by hitting ALT.  Bookmarks is one of the primary entries, and its shortcut is ALT+B.

CTRL+SHIFT+B shows all bookmarks in the Bookmark Manager (which has the dialog title, Library - this is my favorite access method, much like File Explorer)

CTRL+D bookmarks the page you're currently viewing.

CTRL+SHIFT+D bookmarks all open tabs
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 

MAX <max@...>
 

OK.  Here is a list of everything I see in the fire fox open menu.

 

              Sine into synk.

              Content blocking standard.

              New window.

              New private  window.

              Restore previous session.

              Zoom 100%

              Edit.

              Library

              Add-ons.

              Options.

              Customize.

              Open file.

              Save page as.

              Print.

              Find in this page.

              More.

              Web developer.

              Help.

              Exit exit fire fox.

 

I see nothing there that seems related to bookmarks. 

Find in this page seems to be on the right track for searching bookmarks but it searches the current page as you might expect.

 

73 (Regards).

 

Max K 4 O D S.

 

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

 

Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2019 12:55 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

 

Not only is it not an “easter egg”, but it’s one of the choices right there in the menu bar that’s at the top of the screen in every version of the programme.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: February 9, 2019 1:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

 

I'm sorry you misinterpreted my comment.  I'm saying that you assumed you couldn't manage book marks.  Instead of assuming, if you ask here or use some sort of documentation or instructional material, you will save yourself time and trouble, perhaps a lot.  I'm speaking in general, concerning programs and Windows.

 

It isn't an easter egg.  There is nothing hidden about this.  It is common to have context menus in various structures of a program.

 

I don't know how sighted people learn this.  I learned it because, whenever I want to see how to do something more easily or where there appears to be no way, if I am in a list or a menu, I look through the context menu. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: MAX

Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2019 11:46 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

 

Hi Gene.

 

You have been mostly helpful to me in the past so I’ll be civil to you.  If you understand how I work with a computer and screen reader maybe you’ll be a little more understanding. 

 

I have some vision and a magnifying glass mounted in glasses frames so I can use it hands free.  It helped me get through the university of Florida E E program, 35 years of employment, and it still serves me in retirement.   Using this magnifier I can see the contents of a circle about ½ inch in diameter.  I can see icons and the contents of menus.  If I have more than 3 or 4 words to read I turn the job over to a screen reader.  Most makers of screen readers assume that people are totally sighted or totally blind with nobody between.  I think the statistics of blind and visually impaired say just the opposite.  I am aware that nvda developers have acknowledged this through the mouse tracking feature.  I have it turned on and use it all the time.  The play audio coordinates when mouse moves would be useful to me if the tones were not so loud.  I couldn’t find a volume control that would effect only the tones.  Sorry for the digression. 

 

Now to the current problem.  I have spent a lot of time visually looking through the menu in fire fox and have never seen the one that is invoked by alt B.  How do the fully sighted know about this Easter egg?  Now that I know this secret I will use it regularly to manage my bookmarks.  Furthermore When I have the bookmarks open nvda reads each line of the menu but makes no distinction between direct links and folders.  A fully sighted person can see the menus that pop up on the right side of the list of bookmarks but nvda makes no announcement of folder.

 

You wrote of a search bookmarks feature.  I haven’t visually seen  that one in the menu either.  How does it work? 

 

 

73 (Regards).

 

Max K 4 O D S.

 

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

 

Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2019 11:21 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

 

What do you mean by the management is almost nonexistent?  You can move bookmarks around in Firefox.  I assume you can in Chrome as well.  Instead of assuming something isn't available or doesn't exist, ask here or get some sort of documentation or tutorial.  You'll save yourself a lot of trouble.

 

Open the bookmarks menu with alt b.

Move to a bookmark in Firefox.  Open the context menu.  Down arrow to cut.  Press enter.

Then move to where you want the bookmark to be.  Open the context menu and find paste.  Press enter.

The bookmark has been moved.

However, I almost never move or organize bookmarks in Firefox because of the very good search for bookmarks feature.  If you are interested, I'll describe it.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: MAX

Sent: Friday, February 08, 2019 10:01 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

 

The management of favorites in chrome and Firefox is almost nonexistent.  I use explorer to update and manage my favorites file.   Why can’t programmers leave things alone. Especially things that work.

 

 

73 (Regards).

 

Max K 4 O D S.

 

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

 

Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2019 8:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

 

You may not find ways that work as well to use those sites.  You may continue using Internet Explorer with them.  It’s the browser you use as the main browser that is the issue, not the browser you use for occasional accessibility purposes with this or that site. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Rosemarie ChavarrFrom: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Clarissa Mitchell
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 5:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

I hardly use IE anymore at all. For me, it's either Chrome or Firefox.
There were one or two site-specific functions I still had to use IE for because of one thing or another, but I'm going to find a way to access those sites with Chrome, which is my main browser. I'm still working on that. I haven't used IE as my main browser in ages. I don't understand why people are even still using that browser; it's outdated and, at least on my more recent computers, slow as a snail! To me, there's really not that much difference in using one of the other browsers, from a screen reader standpoint anyway. You can still use a lot of the same navigation commands. I don't know about Edge; I haven't used it much, but as far as I can tell, Chrome and Firefox work great with NVDA.

On 2/8/19, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
> Article that came out today in The Telegraph newspaper in the UK:
>
>           Stop using Internet Explorer, warns Microsoft's own security
> chief (
> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2019/02/08/stop-using-internet-
> explorer-warns-microsofts-security-chief/
> )
>
> If that doesn't convince people that the shelf life of IE is now
> expired, nothing will.
> --
>
> Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763
>
> *A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the
> need for illusion is deep.*
>
>           ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back
>
>
>
>


Tyler Wood
 

Hi,

Alt + b should get you to bookmarks in firefox. This has been around since the beginning, so far as I can tell. I've never seen it disappear.


On 2019-02-09 3:58 p.m., MAX wrote:

OK.  Here is a list of everything I see in the fire fox open menu.

 

              Sine into synk.

              Content blocking standard.

              New window.

              New private  window.

              Restore previous session.

              Zoom 100%

              Edit.

              Library

              Add-ons.

              Options.

              Customize.

              Open file.

              Save page as.

              Print.

              Find in this page.

              More.

              Web developer.

              Help.

              Exit exit fire fox.

 

I see nothing there that seems related to bookmarks. 

Find in this page seems to be on the right track for searching bookmarks but it searches the current page as you might expect.

 

73 (Regards).

 

Max K 4 O D S.

 

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

 

Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2019 12:55 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

 

Not only is it not an “easter egg”, but it’s one of the choices right there in the menu bar that’s at the top of the screen in every version of the programme.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: February 9, 2019 1:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

 

I'm sorry you misinterpreted my comment.  I'm saying that you assumed you couldn't manage book marks.  Instead of assuming, if you ask here or use some sort of documentation or instructional material, you will save yourself time and trouble, perhaps a lot.  I'm speaking in general, concerning programs and Windows.

 

It isn't an easter egg.  There is nothing hidden about this.  It is common to have context menus in various structures of a program.

 

I don't know how sighted people learn this.  I learned it because, whenever I want to see how to do something more easily or where there appears to be no way, if I am in a list or a menu, I look through the context menu. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: MAX

Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2019 11:46 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

 

Hi Gene.

 

You have been mostly helpful to me in the past so I’ll be civil to you.  If you understand how I work with a computer and screen reader maybe you’ll be a little more understanding. 

 

I have some vision and a magnifying glass mounted in glasses frames so I can use it hands free.  It helped me get through the university of Florida E E program, 35 years of employment, and it still serves me in retirement.   Using this magnifier I can see the contents of a circle about ½ inch in diameter.  I can see icons and the contents of menus.  If I have more than 3 or 4 words to read I turn the job over to a screen reader.  Most makers of screen readers assume that people are totally sighted or totally blind with nobody between.  I think the statistics of blind and visually impaired say just the opposite.  I am aware that nvda developers have acknowledged this through the mouse tracking feature.  I have it turned on and use it all the time.  The play audio coordinates when mouse moves would be useful to me if the tones were not so loud.  I couldn’t find a volume control that would effect only the tones.  Sorry for the digression. 

 

Now to the current problem.  I have spent a lot of time visually looking through the menu in fire fox and have never seen the one that is invoked by alt B.  How do the fully sighted know about this Easter egg?  Now that I know this secret I will use it regularly to manage my bookmarks.  Furthermore When I have the bookmarks open nvda reads each line of the menu but makes no distinction between direct links and folders.  A fully sighted person can see the menus that pop up on the right side of the list of bookmarks but nvda makes no announcement of folder.

 

You wrote of a search bookmarks feature.  I haven’t visually seen  that one in the menu either.  How does it work? 

 

 

73 (Regards).

 

Max K 4 O D S.

 

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

 

Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2019 11:21 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

 

What do you mean by the management is almost nonexistent?  You can move bookmarks around in Firefox.  I assume you can in Chrome as well.  Instead of assuming something isn't available or doesn't exist, ask here or get some sort of documentation or tutorial.  You'll save yourself a lot of trouble.

 

Open the bookmarks menu with alt b.

Move to a bookmark in Firefox.  Open the context menu.  Down arrow to cut.  Press enter.

Then move to where you want the bookmark to be.  Open the context menu and find paste.  Press enter.

The bookmark has been moved.

However, I almost never move or organize bookmarks in Firefox because of the very good search for bookmarks feature.  If you are interested, I'll describe it.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: MAX

Sent: Friday, February 08, 2019 10:01 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

 

The management of favorites in chrome and Firefox is almost nonexistent.  I use explorer to update and manage my favorites file.   Why can’t programmers leave things alone. Especially things that work.

 

 

73 (Regards).

 

Max K 4 O D S.

 

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

 

Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2019 8:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

 

You may not find ways that work as well to use those sites.  You may continue using Internet Explorer with them.  It’s the browser you use as the main browser that is the issue, not the browser you use for occasional accessibility purposes with this or that site. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Rosemarie ChavarrFrom: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Clarissa Mitchell
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 5:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

I hardly use IE anymore at all. For me, it's either Chrome or Firefox.
There were one or two site-specific functions I still had to use IE for because of one thing or another, but I'm going to find a way to access those sites with Chrome, which is my main browser. I'm still working on that. I haven't used IE as my main browser in ages. I don't understand why people are even still using that browser; it's outdated and, at least on my more recent computers, slow as a snail! To me, there's really not that much difference in using one of the other browsers, from a screen reader standpoint anyway. You can still use a lot of the same navigation commands. I don't know about Edge; I haven't used it much, but as far as I can tell, Chrome and Firefox work great with NVDA.

On 2/8/19, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
> Article that came out today in The Telegraph newspaper in the UK:
>
>           Stop using Internet Explorer, warns Microsoft's own security
> chief (
> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2019/02/08/stop-using-internet-
> explorer-warns-microsofts-security-chief/
> )
>
> If that doesn't convince people that the shelf life of IE is now
> expired, nothing will.
> --
>
> Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763
>
> *A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the
> need for illusion is deep.*
>
>           ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back
>
>
>
>