Microsoft store version of NVDA a bit out-of-date - 2019.3?


Jacob Kruger
 

I only noticed this since a sighted person was trying to set up a formm of test machine for some specific software, and when he brought it to me for testing, or bit of auditing, I noticed it had NVDA 2019.3 on it, although they'd only just installed NVDA on it in last two weeks, and, this specific person had never even known about NVDA before until I told them about it.


Anyway, ended up having to uninstall it via windows 11 apps start sub-menu, which is why then double-checked the MS store instance of NVDA, and, in it's description, etc. it even mentions 2019.3, so, not sure who's possibly responsible for publishing/posting it there, which is why am posting this here:

https://apps.microsoft.com/store/detail/nvda-nonvisual-desktop-access/9NVL6Z0TM57D?hl=en-us&gl=us


And, this is since it might, possibly cause hassles for any other users who have it installed via that channel.


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Skype: BlindZA
"...resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."


 

That same page also states that the release year is 2017, which is not even accurate for NVDA 2019.3.
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Brian Virginia, USA Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 19045; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit

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Hi, Ah, another trip down the memory lane...

The idea of publishing NVDA as a Windows Store application stems from Project Centennial, better known as Desktop App Converter (DAC). The idea is to package a classic desktop application such as NVDA and distribute it on Microsoft Store so any Windows 10 PC can download it. What I mean by "any Windows 10 PC" is very broad - not only it includes what we could call the traditional PC's, but individuals and organizations using the S variant of Windows 10 editions.

The project behind store version of NVDA (or what is technically known as "immersive/packaged app) began in 2017 when Microsoft announced Windows 10 S, a version of Windows 10 Pro that restricted users to downloading apps from Microsoft Store (later Windows 10 S became S edition of Windows 10)). Compared to the regular NVDA install, the Microsoft Store edition of NVDA did not run add-ons and had limited web browsing support. But with the unpopularity of Windows 10 S, the Store version of NVDA did not really take off (the last version, as pointed out earlier, is 2019.

Then came 2021, and Microsoft made an announcement that made the limited Store version of NVDA almost obsolete: Microsoft Store will accept classic desktop apps in unpackaged form. This means if NV Access wants to, they can submit the NVDA installer everyone downloads from the Internet to Microsoft Store for ease of discoverability. But something else came along the scene: Windows Package Manager (Winget), a command-line tool to install and update apps. In fact, you can grab an NVDA release via Winget if you want to.

P.S. I did contribute somewhat to the Store version of NVDA (I wrote the code that allows NVDA to detect whether or not it is running as a proper Store application or not).

Cheers,

Joseph


 

On Tue, Jan 3, 2023 at 11:31 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Windows Package Manager (Winget), a command-line tool to install and update apps. In fact, you can grab an NVDA release via Winget if you want to.
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Interesting.  I have been playing with the winget command recently and it is pretty amazing.  Since my NVDA was up to date at that time, and is again now since I've just installed 2022.4, NVDA was not identified in the list of things to update.

For those who may wish to play with winget, and who want to update all programs & Windows packages that may be out of date, the following command issued in Command Prompt or PowerShell will do just that:  winget upgrade --all --include-unknown --accept-source-agreements
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Brian Virginia, USA Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 19045; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit

"Be Yourself" is the worst advice you can give to some people.

       ~ Tom Masson


 

On Tue, Jan 3, 2023 at 11:31 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
The idea of publishing NVDA as a Windows Store application
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Since it seems like this is pretty much an aborted idea, at this point, would a GitHub ticket be appropriate to ask that it be taken down and not be updated via the Store at all?
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Brian Virginia, USA Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 19045; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit

"Be Yourself" is the worst advice you can give to some people.

       ~ Tom Masson


 

Hi,

Perhaps. It might be advisable to ask NV Access to perhaps distribute the NVDA installer on Microsoft Store for ease of discoverability rather than taking down the Store version of NVDA (Windows 11 Home can run in S mode).

Cheers,

Joseph


 

On Tue, Jan 3, 2023 at 11:54 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
It might be advisable to ask NV Access to perhaps distribute the NVDA installer on Microsoft Store for ease of discoverability rather than taking down the Store version of NVDA
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The choice is theirs.  I did just open an issue:  https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/14504 
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Brian Virginia, USA Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 19045; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit

"Be Yourself" is the worst advice you can give to some people.

       ~ Tom Masson