nvda@nvda.groups.io | navigation bar frame preview

Monte Single

#102785

Hi List,

I have a local grocery store website I visit each week to see the current flyer.

Like all commercial web sites, there is a truckload of stuff before you get to the actual flyer.

Using the heading or list keys do not get me to the items for sale.

After a lot lot of tabbing I hear;

“navigation bar frame preview”

Is there a keystroke that will get me to this point?

It is very close to the items for sale.

Thanks,

Mont

Luke Davis

#102787

On Jan 19, Monte Single wrote:

After a lot lot of tabbing I hear;
“navigation bar frame preview”
Is there a keystroke that will get me to this point?Have you tried searching for any of those words in the Commands Quick Reference? (NVDA+N, H, Q)

Were you to do so, you would likely find the Single Letter Navigation heading, and under it:

M: frame

So, try pressing M, and there is a probability that it will jump you directly to the frame containing the navigation bar / preview.

Luke

Brian's Mail list account

#102792

You need to be careful with some pages that use landmarks etc, like Amazon for instance as cursoring or tabbing can appear to trap you in the search system Many sites now have links to page content and page navigation.
Most work quite well but some appear to change nothing. Brian

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Monte Single" <mrsingle@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2023 3:28 AM
Subject: [nvda] navigation bar frame preview

Hi List,

I have a local grocery store   website I visit each week to see the current
flyer.

Like all commercial web sites, there is a truckload of stuff  before you get
to the actual flyer.

Using the heading or list keys do not get me to the  items for sale.

After a lot lot of tabbing I hear;

"navigation bar frame preview"

Is there a keystroke that will get me to this point?

It is very close to the items for sale.

Thanks,

Mont

Gene

#102796

Use the screen-reader's search the page function to find it. Search is one of the most powerful and most un or underused ways to navigate web pages.

I don't know what screen-reader you use so I won't discuss how to search and you likely already know how. Ask if you have questions.

Start at the top of the page and search for preview. In such cases as this, where means you usually use to move efficiently to something don't work, find what you are looking for by looking through the page, then up arrow to look for something that is always immediately above or close to, above, what you are looking for. Tabbing may not move you to the most efficient repeated text. It may be somewhat or considerably farther up the screen.
Then, when you find something you thing is present every time on that page, use search from the top of the page to find the item you are looking for in an efficient way.

Gene

On 1/19/2023 9:28 PM, Monte Single wrote:

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Hi List,

I have a local grocery store website I visit each week to see the current flyer.

Like all commercial web sites, there is a truckload of stuff before you get to the actual flyer.

Using the heading or list keys do not get me to the items for sale.

After a lot lot of tabbing I hear;

“navigation bar frame preview”

Is there a keystroke that will get me to this point?

It is very close to the items for sale.

Thanks,

Mont

Gene

#102798

In my last message, I said that I didn't know what screen-reader you were using. I didn't notice that the message came from the NVDA list.

Luke's suggestion may work, I don't work with frames. But my discussion is useful where this won't work. Also, it is very useful at times when you want to repeatedly move to near the beginning of new material repeatedly on some web pages.

If you are reading a forum discussion, if you look for something above each message, such as the word posted, which may occur in some forums above each message, you can repeat the search when you finish one entry to move to the next one.

Gene

On 1/20/2023 8:43 AM, Gene wrote:

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Use the screen-reader's search the page function to find it. Search is one of the most powerful and most un or underused ways to navigate web pages.

        I don't know what screen-reader you use so I won't discuss how to search and you likely already know how. Ask if you have questions.

Start at the top of the page and search for preview. In such cases as this, where means you usually use to move efficiently to something don't work, find what you are looking for by looking through the page, then up arrow to look for something that is always immediately above or close to, above, what you are looking for. Tabbing may not move you to the most efficient repeated text. It may be somewhat or considerably farther up the screen.
Then, when you find something you thing is present every time on that page, use search from the top of the page to find the item you are looking for in an efficient way.

Gene

On 1/19/2023 9:28 PM, Monte Single wrote:

Hi List,

I have a local grocery store   website I visit each week to see the current flyer.

Like all commercial web sites, there is a truckload of stuff before you get to the actual flyer.

Using the heading or list keys do not get me to the items for sale.

After a lot lot of tabbing I hear;

“navigation bar frame preview”

Is there a keystroke that will get me to this point?

It is very close to the items for sale.

Thanks,

Mont

Monte Single

#102811

Gene, my bad.

I am using current versions ov win10 with latest nvda and google chrome.

When you say to use the search function, is that the same as find?

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: January 20, 2023 8:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] navigation bar frame preview

Use the screen-reader's search the page function to find it. Search is one of the most powerful and most un or underused ways to navigate web pages.

I don't know what screen-reader you use so I won't discuss how to search and you likely already know how. Ask if you have questions.

Start at the top of the page and search for preview. In such cases as this, where means you usually use to move efficiently to something don't work, find what you are looking for by looking through the page, then up arrow to look for something that is always immediately above or close to, above, what you are looking for. Tabbing may not move you to the most efficient repeated text. It may be somewhat or considerably farther up the screen.
Then, when you find something you thing is present every time on that page, use search from the top of the page to find the item you are looking for in an efficient way.

Gene

On 1/19/2023 9:28 PM, Monte Single wrote:

Hi List,

I have a local grocery store website I visit each week to see the current flyer.
Like all commercial web sites, there is a truckload of stuff before you get to the actual flyer.
Using the heading or list keys do not get me to the items for sale.
After a lot lot of tabbing I hear;

“navigation bar frame preview”

Is there a keystroke that will get me to this point?
It is very close to the items for sale.

Thanks,

Mont

Gene

#102812

Yes. I think of it as search but NVDA calls it find.

I wonder if Luke's suggestion will work in this case.

Gene

On 1/20/2023 7:23 PM, Monte Single wrote:

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Gene, my bad.

I am using current versions ov win10 with latest nvda and google chrome.

When you say to use the search function, is that the same as find?

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: January 20, 2023 8:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] navigation bar frame preview

Use the screen-reader's search the page function to find it. Search is one of the most powerful and most un or underused ways to navigate web pages.

        I don't know what screen-reader you use so I won't discuss how to search and you likely already know how. Ask if you have questions.

Start at the top of the page and search for preview. In such cases as this, where means you usually use to move efficiently to something don't work, find what you are looking for by looking through the page, then up arrow to look for something that is always immediately above or close to, above, what you are looking for. Tabbing may not move you to the most efficient repeated text. It may be somewhat or considerably farther up the screen.
Then, when you find something you thing is present every time on that page, use search from the top of the page to find the item you are looking for in an efficient way.

Gene

On 1/19/2023 9:28 PM, Monte Single wrote:

Hi List,

I have a local grocery store   website I visit each week to see the current flyer.

Like all commercial web sites, there is a truckload of stuff before you get to the actual flyer.

Using the heading or list keys do not get me to the items for sale.

After a lot lot of tabbing I hear;

“navigation bar frame preview”

Is there a keystroke that will get me to this point?

It is very close to the items for sale.

Thanks,

Mont

Monte Single

#102813

Gene wrote;

:I wonder if Luke’s suggestion will work”

Gene, I did not . see a message from luke on this subject.

Thanks,

Mont

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: January 20, 2023 7:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] navigation bar frame preview

Yes. I think of it as search but NVDA calls it find.

I wonder if Luke's suggestion will work in this case.

Gene

On 1/20/2023 7:23 PM, Monte Single wrote:

Gene, my bad.

I am using current versions ov win10 with latest nvda and google chrome.

When you say to use the search function, is that the same as find?

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: January 20, 2023 8:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] navigation bar frame preview

Use the screen-reader's search the page function to find it. Search is one of the most powerful and most un or underused ways to navigate web pages.

        I don't know what screen-reader you use so I won't discuss how to search and you likely already know how. Ask if you have questions.

Start at the top of the page and search for preview. In such cases as this, where means you usually use to move efficiently to something don't work, find what you are looking for by looking through the page, then up arrow to look for something that is always immediately above or close to, above, what you are looking for. Tabbing may not move you to the most efficient repeated text. It may be somewhat or considerably farther up the screen.
Then, when you find something you thing is present every time on that page, use search from the top of the page to find the item you are looking for in an efficient way.

Gene
On 1/19/2023 9:28 PM, Monte Single wrote:
Hi List,

I have a local grocery store   website I visit each week to see the current flyer.
Like all commercial web sites, there is a truckload of stuff before you get to the actual flyer.
Using the heading or list keys do not get me to the items for sale.
After a lot lot of tabbing I hear;

“navigation bar frame preview”

Is there a keystroke that will get me to this point?
It is very close to the items for sale.

Thanks,

Mont

Gene

#102814

I think it was Luke. I'll check.

Gene

On 1/20/2023 8:09 PM, Monte Single wrote:

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Gene wrote;

:I wonder if Luke’s suggestion will work”

Gene, I did not . see a message from luke on this subject.

Thanks,

Mont

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: January 20, 2023 7:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] navigation bar frame preview

Yes. I think of it as search but NVDA calls it find.

I wonder if Luke's suggestion will work in this case.

Gene

On 1/20/2023 7:23 PM, Monte Single wrote:

Gene, my bad.

I am using current versions ov win10 with latest nvda and google chrome.

When you say to use the search function, is that the same as find?

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: January 20, 2023 8:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] navigation bar frame preview

Use the screen-reader's search the page function to find it. Search is one of the most powerful and most un or underused ways to navigate web pages.

        I don't know what screen-reader you use so I won't discuss how to search and you likely already know how. Ask if you have questions.

Start at the top of the page and search for preview. In such cases as this, where means you usually use to move efficiently to something don't work, find what you are looking for by looking through the page, then up arrow to look for something that is always immediately above or close to, above, what you are looking for. Tabbing may not move you to the most efficient repeated text. It may be somewhat or considerably farther up the screen.
Then, when you find something you thing is present every time on that page, use search from the top of the page to find the item you are looking for in an efficient way.

Gene

On 1/19/2023 9:28 PM, Monte Single wrote:

Hi List,

I have a local grocery store   website I visit each week to see the current flyer.

Like all commercial web sites, there is a truckload of stuff before you get to the actual flyer.

Using the heading or list keys do not get me to the items for sale.

After a lot lot of tabbing I hear;

“navigation bar frame preview”

Is there a keystroke that will get me to this point?

It is very close to the items for sale.

Thanks,

Mont

Gene

#102815

I don't know if you received it, but Luke wrote the following, which I'll place under my signature.

Gene

Have you tried searching for any of those words in the Commands Quick Reference? (NVDA+N, H, Q)

Were you to do so, you would likely find the Single Letter Navigation heading, and under it:

M: frame

So, try pressing M, and there is a probability that it will jump you directly to the frame containing the navigation bar / preview.

Luke

Luke Davis

#102816

Monte Single wrote:

Gene wrote;
:I wonder if Luke’s suggestion will work”
Gene, I did not .  see a message from luke on this subject.Written within 10 minutes or so of your question, I suggested that you search for some of the words in the line in question in NVDA's command quick reference (NVDA+N, H, Q). I said that if you did, you would find the "m" command, which jumps you to the previous/next frame.

Of course, if you didn't get that one, you may not get this one.

Luke

Howard Traxler

#102823

Perhaps my imagination; but, in these cases, can one confuse the terms screen and page? It seems that the NVDA command: NVDA plus control plus f, will search the entire page, which may not fit on the screen. As opposed to a browser or windows search command: control plus f will search the visible screen? This is a bit confusing to me. But, in my case, if one don't work, I try the other one.

Howard

On 1/20/2023 8:16 PM, Gene wrote:

I think it was Luke. I'll check.

Gene

On 1/20/2023 8:09 PM, Monte Single wrote:

Gene wrote;

:I wonder if Luke’s suggestion will work”

Gene, I did not . see a message from luke on this subject.

Thanks,

Mont

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: January 20, 2023 7:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] navigation bar frame preview

Yes. I think of it as search but NVDA calls it find.

I wonder if Luke's suggestion will work in this case.

Gene

On 1/20/2023 7:23 PM, Monte Single wrote:

Gene, my bad.

I am using current versions ov win10 with latest nvda and google chrome.

When you say to use the search function, is that the same as find?

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: January 20, 2023 8:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] navigation bar frame preview

Use the screen-reader's search the page function to find it. Search is one of the most powerful and most un or underused ways to navigate web pages.

        I don't know what screen-reader you use so I won't discuss how to search and you likely already know how. Ask if you have questions.

Start at the top of the page and search for preview. In such cases as this, where means you usually use to move efficiently to something don't work, find what you are looking for by looking through the page, then up arrow to look for something that is always immediately above or close to, above, what you are looking for. Tabbing may not move you to the most efficient repeated text. It may be somewhat or considerably farther up the screen.
Then, when you find something you thing is present every time on that page, use search from the top of the page to find the item you are looking for in an efficient way.

Gene

On 1/19/2023 9:28 PM, Monte Single wrote:

Hi List,

I have a local grocery store   website I visit each week to see the current flyer.

Like all commercial web sites, there is a truckload of stuff before you get to the actual flyer.

Using the heading or list keys do not get me to the items for sale.

After a lot lot of tabbing I hear;

“navigation bar frame preview”

Is there a keystroke that will get me to this point?

It is very close to the items for sale.

Thanks,

Mont

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Joseph Lee

#102824

Hi,

Control+F (browser find) and Control+NVDA+F (NVDA browse mode find) will search the entire page (tried with a long Wikipedia article which doesn't fit a single screen; this is Edge 109).

Cheers,

Joseph

Gene

#102826

First, I am talking about when in browse mode. When not in browse mode, use whatever command the application itself uses for search, usually control f. In applications when not in browse mode, the application's search command generally searches the entire document.

You aren't supposed to use control f when searching in browse mode. The correct command is the NVDA command control NVDA key f. That searches the entire page but it stops at the first place it encounters what is being searched for, thus, while it may search the entire page if it doesn't find what it is looking for, if it does, it only searches until it finds it.

Control f searches the entire page as well but it doesn't search the copy of the page that is in the virtual buffer and used by the virtual cursor. Therefore, it doesn't coordinate with the virtual cursor and is not intended to be used when in browse mode.

Gene

On 1/21/2023 8:10 AM, Howard Traxler wrote:

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Perhaps my imagination; but, in these cases, can one confuse the terms screen and page? It seems that the NVDA command: NVDA plus control plus f, will search the entire page, which may not fit on the screen. As opposed to a browser or windows search command: control plus f will search the visible screen? This is a bit confusing to me. But, in my case, if one don't work, I try the other one.

Howard

On 1/20/2023 8:16 PM, Gene wrote:

I think it was Luke. I'll check.

Gene

On 1/20/2023 8:09 PM, Monte Single wrote:

Gene wrote;

:I wonder if Luke’s suggestion will work”

Gene, I did not . see a message from luke on this subject.

Thanks,

Mont

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: January 20, 2023 7:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] navigation bar frame preview

Yes. I think of it as search but NVDA calls it find.

I wonder if Luke's suggestion will work in this case.

Gene

On 1/20/2023 7:23 PM, Monte Single wrote:

Gene, my bad.

I am using current versions ov win10 with latest nvda and google chrome.

When you say to use the search function, is that the same as find?

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: January 20, 2023 8:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] navigation bar frame preview

Use the screen-reader's search the page function to find it. Search is one of the most powerful and most un or underused ways to navigate web pages.

        I don't know what screen-reader you use so I won't discuss how to search and you likely already know how. Ask if you have questions.

Start at the top of the page and search for preview. In such cases as this, where means you usually use to move efficiently to something don't work, find what you are looking for by looking through the page, then up arrow to look for something that is always immediately above or close to, above, what you are looking for. Tabbing may not move you to the most efficient repeated text. It may be somewhat or considerably farther up the screen.
Then, when you find something you thing is present every time on that page, use search from the top of the page to find the item you are looking for in an efficient way.

Gene

On 1/19/2023 9:28 PM, Monte Single wrote:

Hi List,

I have a local grocery store   website I visit each week to see the current flyer.

Like all commercial web sites, there is a truckload of stuff before you get to the actual flyer.

Using the heading or list keys do not get me to the items for sale.

After a lot lot of tabbing I hear;

“navigation bar frame preview”

Is there a keystroke that will get me to this point?

It is very close to the items for sale.

Thanks,

Mont
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