New and apparent lag with NVDA in File Explorer, and an Introducion


cisco
 

Hello everyone,

 

My name’s Francisco, I’m a highschool student who has been using NVDA since circa 2014.

I use NVDA daily for an array of things, from homework, to entertainment and so on.

Enough about me, here is the problem I am facing:

Both in Windows 10 and 11, which I’m currently using, NvDA lags behind when navigating folders and files in File Explorer.

Half a second to a second passes from when I press up or down arrow, to when NVDA announces the item under the cursor.

As you can probably imagine, it can get quite annoying at times, particulary when I’m trying to be quick about opening a file.

First letter navigation helps, but having a lot of files starting with the same letters doesn’t help as much, just to balance out things.

My question is, has anyone experienced this kind of behavior when using NvDA? If so, how did you fix it?

If you don’t use file explorer and use an alternative, what would you recommend?

Thank you for any answer.

Have a good day.

Best regards.

Francisco.


Shawn
 

Hi Francisco, I’ve had this problem various times with various computers intermittently going back to at least Windows 7. Sometimes defragging the harddrives helps. Does it happen on all drives? Does it happen on thumb drives? Does it only happen on a USB-connected external drive? It could mean your drive is on it’s way out and needs chkdsk run on it desperately as well, and you may need to clean the dust out of your machine physically, dust causes it to overheat. Does this happen with narrator or JFW if you have it?

Shawn Klein

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: cisco
Sent: Saturday, October 9, 2021 10:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] New and apparent lag with NVDA in File Explorer, and an Introducion

 

Hello everyone,

 

My name’s Francisco, I’m a highschool student who has been using NVDA since circa 2014.

I use NVDA daily for an array of things, from homework, to entertainment and so on.

Enough about me, here is the problem I am facing:

Both in Windows 10 and 11, which I’m currently using, NvDA lags behind when navigating folders and files in File Explorer.

Half a second to a second passes from when I press up or down arrow, to when NVDA announces the item under the cursor.

As you can probably imagine, it can get quite annoying at times, particulary when I’m trying to be quick about opening a file.

First letter navigation helps, but having a lot of files starting with the same letters doesn’t help as much, just to balance out things.

My question is, has anyone experienced this kind of behavior when using NvDA? If so, how did you fix it?

If you don’t use file explorer and use an alternative, what would you recommend?

Thank you for any answer.

Have a good day.

Best regards.

Francisco.

 


cisco
 

Hello there,

 

This happens to me on every drive, regardless of what kind of drive it is.

I’m running on a SSD now, and I optimize and trim it every week.

All my things work fine, it’s just the lag.

Best regards.

Francisco.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shawn via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, October 9, 2021 5:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New and apparent lag with NVDA in File Explorer, and an Introducion

 

Hi Francisco, I’ve had this problem various times with various computers intermittently going back to at least Windows 7. Sometimes defragging the harddrives helps. Does it happen on all drives? Does it happen on thumb drives? Does it only happen on a USB-connected external drive? It could mean your drive is on it’s way out and needs chkdsk run on it desperately as well, and you may need to clean the dust out of your machine physically, dust causes it to overheat. Does this happen with narrator or JFW if you have it?

Shawn Klein

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: cisco
Sent: Saturday, October 9, 2021 10:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] New and apparent lag with NVDA in File Explorer, and an Introducion

 

Hello everyone,

 

My name’s Francisco, I’m a highschool student who has been using NVDA since circa 2014.

I use NVDA daily for an array of things, from homework, to entertainment and so on.

Enough about me, here is the problem I am facing:

Both in Windows 10 and 11, which I’m currently using, NvDA lags behind when navigating folders and files in File Explorer.

Half a second to a second passes from when I press up or down arrow, to when NVDA announces the item under the cursor.

As you can probably imagine, it can get quite annoying at times, particulary when I’m trying to be quick about opening a file.

First letter navigation helps, but having a lot of files starting with the same letters doesn’t help as much, just to balance out things.

My question is, has anyone experienced this kind of behavior when using NvDA? If so, how did you fix it?

If you don’t use file explorer and use an alternative, what would you recommend?

Thank you for any answer.

Have a good day.

Best regards.

Francisco.

 


cisco
 

Hello again, and I’m sorry for the dubblepost.

 

This behavior does not happen with JFW, for the few minutes I had it, I tested it, however, it happens with Narrator.

Sorry again and best regards.

Francisco.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shawn via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, October 9, 2021 5:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New and apparent lag with NVDA in File Explorer, and an Introducion

 

Hi Francisco, I’ve had this problem various times with various computers intermittently going back to at least Windows 7. Sometimes defragging the harddrives helps. Does it happen on all drives? Does it happen on thumb drives? Does it only happen on a USB-connected external drive? It could mean your drive is on it’s way out and needs chkdsk run on it desperately as well, and you may need to clean the dust out of your machine physically, dust causes it to overheat. Does this happen with narrator or JFW if you have it?

Shawn Klein

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: cisco
Sent: Saturday, October 9, 2021 10:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] New and apparent lag with NVDA in File Explorer, and an Introducion

 

Hello everyone,

 

My name’s Francisco, I’m a highschool student who has been using NVDA since circa 2014.

I use NVDA daily for an array of things, from homework, to entertainment and so on.

Enough about me, here is the problem I am facing:

Both in Windows 10 and 11, which I’m currently using, NvDA lags behind when navigating folders and files in File Explorer.

Half a second to a second passes from when I press up or down arrow, to when NVDA announces the item under the cursor.

As you can probably imagine, it can get quite annoying at times, particulary when I’m trying to be quick about opening a file.

First letter navigation helps, but having a lot of files starting with the same letters doesn’t help as much, just to balance out things.

My question is, has anyone experienced this kind of behavior when using NvDA? If so, how did you fix it?

If you don’t use file explorer and use an alternative, what would you recommend?

Thank you for any answer.

Have a good day.

Best regards.

Francisco.

 


Gene
 

I use Windows 7 and my problem isn’t quite the same but my solution may work.  Without going into detail about my problem, there are conditions when responsiveness when moving through a list of folders and files is slow on my machine.  One thing I do and you can try is to hold control as you move.  If I do that, speed returns to normal. 
 
Try the following:
Hold control and move through the list.  When you get to the thing you want to select, release control and up and down arrow to leave and return to the item.  It is now selected and you can press enter on it or do whatever you want.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: cisco
Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2021 9:05 AM
Subject: [nvda] New and apparent lag with NVDA in File Explorer, and an Introducion
 

Hello everyone,

 

My name’s Francisco, I’m a highschool student who has been using NVDA since circa 2014.

I use NVDA daily for an array of things, from homework, to entertainment and so on.

Enough about me, here is the problem I am facing:

Both in Windows 10 and 11, which I’m currently using, NvDA lags behind when navigating folders and files in File Explorer.

Half a second to a second passes from when I press up or down arrow, to when NVDA announces the item under the cursor.

As you can probably imagine, it can get quite annoying at times, particulary when I’m trying to be quick about opening a file.

First letter navigation helps, but having a lot of files starting with the same letters doesn’t help as much, just to balance out things.

My question is, has anyone experienced this kind of behavior when using NvDA? If so, how did you fix it?

If you don’t use file explorer and use an alternative, what would you recommend?

Thank you for any answer.

Have a good day.

Best regards.

Francisco.


 

On Sat, Oct 9, 2021 at 11:52 AM, cisco wrote:
and I optimize and trim it every week.
-
As an aside.  That's too frequent and can lead to issues, too.  Windows does a perfectly fine job of managing SSDs all on its own.  The only thing I recommend doing in that arena is getting the manufacturer specific management software for your actual drive, which gives you access to more information, and sometimes a couple of non-standard features, but once you've set what you want set let everything as far as TRIM be done by Windows and/or your drive management software.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.

         ~ John F. Kennedy

 


Gene
 

This isn’t a hard drive problem and defragging won’t help.  the problem is slow responsiveness in telling you what you have moved to in a list of files and folders.  The hard drive isn’t being used to provide the information as you move.  You are already in the list.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2021 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New and apparent lag with NVDA in File Explorer, and an Introducion
 

Hi Francisco, I’ve had this problem various times with various computers intermittently going back to at least Windows 7. Sometimes defragging the harddrives helps. Does it happen on all drives? Does it happen on thumb drives? Does it only happen on a USB-connected external drive? It could mean your drive is on it’s way out and needs chkdsk run on it desperately as well, and you may need to clean the dust out of your machine physically, dust causes it to overheat. Does this happen with narrator or JFW if you have it?

Shawn Klein

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: cisco
Sent: Saturday, October 9, 2021 10:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] New and apparent lag with NVDA in File Explorer, and an Introducion

 

Hello everyone,

 

My name’s Francisco, I’m a highschool student who has been using NVDA since circa 2014.

I use NVDA daily for an array of things, from homework, to entertainment and so on.

Enough about me, here is the problem I am facing:

Both in Windows 10 and 11, which I’m currently using, NvDA lags behind when navigating folders and files in File Explorer.

Half a second to a second passes from when I press up or down arrow, to when NVDA announces the item under the cursor.

As you can probably imagine, it can get quite annoying at times, particulary when I’m trying to be quick about opening a file.

First letter navigation helps, but having a lot of files starting with the same letters doesn’t help as much, just to balance out things.

My question is, has anyone experienced this kind of behavior when using NvDA? If so, how did you fix it?

If you don’t use file explorer and use an alternative, what would you recommend?

Thank you for any answer.

Have a good day.

Best regards.

Francisco.

 


cisco
 

Hello there,

 

Jene,

Thanks for your solution, it works wonderfully!

Also, thanks for the titbit of info about the SSD  not being responsible for giving me the info about the list I’m in.

 

Bryan,

I’ll try to restore the defaults on trimming and such, it’s good to know it might affect the disk’s lifespan.

Best regards.

Francisco

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, October 9, 2021 6:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New and apparent lag with NVDA in File Explorer, and an Introducion

 

I use Windows 7 and my problem isn’t quite the same but my solution may work.  Without going into detail about my problem, there are conditions when responsiveness when moving through a list of folders and files is slow on my machine.  One thing I do and you can try is to hold control as you move.  If I do that, speed returns to normal. 

 

Try the following:

Hold control and move through the list.  When you get to the thing you want to select, release control and up and down arrow to leave and return to the item.  It is now selected and you can press enter on it or do whatever you want.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: cisco

Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2021 9:05 AM

Subject: [nvda] New and apparent lag with NVDA in File Explorer, and an Introducion

 

Hello everyone,

 

My name’s Francisco, I’m a highschool student who has been using NVDA since circa 2014.

I use NVDA daily for an array of things, from homework, to entertainment and so on.

Enough about me, here is the problem I am facing:

Both in Windows 10 and 11, which I’m currently using, NvDA lags behind when navigating folders and files in File Explorer.

Half a second to a second passes from when I press up or down arrow, to when NVDA announces the item under the cursor.

As you can probably imagine, it can get quite annoying at times, particulary when I’m trying to be quick about opening a file.

First letter navigation helps, but having a lot of files starting with the same letters doesn’t help as much, just to balance out things.

My question is, has anyone experienced this kind of behavior when using NvDA? If so, how did you fix it?

If you don’t use file explorer and use an alternative, what would you recommend?

Thank you for any answer.

Have a good day.

Best regards.

Francisco.


David Goldfield
 

Cisco, have you checked to see if the preview pane in File Explorer is enabled?

Press alt-V to go to the View tab on the ribbon. Navigate by pressing the tab key until you move to the Preview Pane button and if it says that the button is pressed then press the space bar to disable it. Let us know if that makes a difference.

 

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

JAWS Certified, 2019

Subscribe to the Tech-VI announcement list to receive emails regarding news and events in the blindness assistive technology field.

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www.DavidGoldfield.org

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of cisco
Sent: Saturday, October 9, 2021 12:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New and apparent lag with NVDA in File Explorer, and an Introducion

 

Hello there,

 

Jene,

Thanks for your solution, it works wonderfully!

Also, thanks for the titbit of info about the SSD  not being responsible for giving me the info about the list I’m in.

 

Bryan,

I’ll try to restore the defaults on trimming and such, it’s good to know it might affect the disk’s lifespan.

Best regards.

Francisco

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, October 9, 2021 6:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New and apparent lag with NVDA in File Explorer, and an Introducion

 

I use Windows 7 and my problem isn’t quite the same but my solution may work.  Without going into detail about my problem, there are conditions when responsiveness when moving through a list of folders and files is slow on my machine.  One thing I do and you can try is to hold control as you move.  If I do that, speed returns to normal. 

 

Try the following:

Hold control and move through the list.  When you get to the thing you want to select, release control and up and down arrow to leave and return to the item.  It is now selected and you can press enter on it or do whatever you want.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: cisco

Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2021 9:05 AM

Subject: [nvda] New and apparent lag with NVDA in File Explorer, and an Introducion

 

Hello everyone,

 

My name’s Francisco, I’m a highschool student who has been using NVDA since circa 2014.

I use NVDA daily for an array of things, from homework, to entertainment and so on.

Enough about me, here is the problem I am facing:

Both in Windows 10 and 11, which I’m currently using, NvDA lags behind when navigating folders and files in File Explorer.

Half a second to a second passes from when I press up or down arrow, to when NVDA announces the item under the cursor.

As you can probably imagine, it can get quite annoying at times, particulary when I’m trying to be quick about opening a file.

First letter navigation helps, but having a lot of files starting with the same letters doesn’t help as much, just to balance out things.

My question is, has anyone experienced this kind of behavior when using NvDA? If so, how did you fix it?

If you don’t use file explorer and use an alternative, what would you recommend?

Thank you for any answer.

Have a good day.

Best regards.

Francisco.


cisco
 

Hello there,

 

The preview pane was already unchecked, from what I saw.

For now I’ll use Gene’s suggestion to press and hold cTRL while moving between itmes, until either you guys or I find another solution.

Thanks for the suggestion.

Best regards.

Francisco.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Saturday, October 9, 2021 8:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New and apparent lag with NVDA in File Explorer, and an Introducion

 

Cisco, have you checked to see if the preview pane in File Explorer is enabled?

Press alt-V to go to the View tab on the ribbon. Navigate by pressing the tab key until you move to the Preview Pane button and if it says that the button is pressed then press the space bar to disable it. Let us know if that makes a difference.

 

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

JAWS Certified, 2019

Subscribe to the Tech-VI announcement list to receive emails regarding news and events in the blindness assistive technology field.

Email: tech-vi+subscribe@groups.io

 

www.DavidGoldfield.org

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of cisco
Sent: Saturday, October 9, 2021 12:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New and apparent lag with NVDA in File Explorer, and an Introducion

 

Hello there,

 

Jene,

Thanks for your solution, it works wonderfully!

Also, thanks for the titbit of info about the SSD  not being responsible for giving me the info about the list I’m in.

 

Bryan,

I’ll try to restore the defaults on trimming and such, it’s good to know it might affect the disk’s lifespan.

Best regards.

Francisco

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, October 9, 2021 6:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New and apparent lag with NVDA in File Explorer, and an Introducion

 

I use Windows 7 and my problem isn’t quite the same but my solution may work.  Without going into detail about my problem, there are conditions when responsiveness when moving through a list of folders and files is slow on my machine.  One thing I do and you can try is to hold control as you move.  If I do that, speed returns to normal. 

 

Try the following:

Hold control and move through the list.  When you get to the thing you want to select, release control and up and down arrow to leave and return to the item.  It is now selected and you can press enter on it or do whatever you want.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: cisco

Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2021 9:05 AM

Subject: [nvda] New and apparent lag with NVDA in File Explorer, and an Introducion

 

Hello everyone,

 

My name’s Francisco, I’m a highschool student who has been using NVDA since circa 2014.

I use NVDA daily for an array of things, from homework, to entertainment and so on.

Enough about me, here is the problem I am facing:

Both in Windows 10 and 11, which I’m currently using, NvDA lags behind when navigating folders and files in File Explorer.

Half a second to a second passes from when I press up or down arrow, to when NVDA announces the item under the cursor.

As you can probably imagine, it can get quite annoying at times, particulary when I’m trying to be quick about opening a file.

First letter navigation helps, but having a lot of files starting with the same letters doesn’t help as much, just to balance out things.

My question is, has anyone experienced this kind of behavior when using NvDA? If so, how did you fix it?

If you don’t use file explorer and use an alternative, what would you recommend?

Thank you for any answer.

Have a good day.

Best regards.

Francisco.


Dzhovani
 

Gene,
Instead of pressing up and down arrows, you can press the space bar while holding the control key. This will select the item under the cursor. Seems a tat more convenient.
HTH,
Dzhovani


Gene
 

I didn’t mention using space, not control space, to select the item you are on.  I should have mentioned it.  I didn’t because I think it is a more natural movement to keep your hand on the arrow keys and just up and down arrow than to move to the space bar and press it.  But people may do whatever they wish.
 
However, space should be used in this case, not control space.  Control space is how you would select an item if you want to select more than one item and not select items that are all next to each other.  Space by  itself will select the item you are on and will unselect any other item or items you might have selected earlier.  And space only selects an item.  If it is already selected for some reason, you won’t accidentaly unselect it.  Control space selects an unselected item and unselects a selected item.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Dzhovani
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 12:05 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New and apparent lag with NVDA in File Explorer, and an Introducion
 
Gene,
Instead of pressing up and down arrows, you can press the space bar while holding the control key. This will select the item under the cursor. Seems a tat more convenient.
HTH,
Dzhovani


Dzhovani
 

Gene,
even if you have multiple items selected, pressing enter will activate only the last selected item.
Regards,
Dzhovani


Gene
 

That isn’t the case.  What happens depends on the kinds of items.  Select four mp3 files in a list and press enter.  They will all play in the default player, one after the other.  Select multiple text files.  They will open in separate copies of Notepad and they will all be opened at the same time.
 
if you are copying and pasting files or deleting a group of files, it is essential that you select only those you wish to work with. 
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Dzhovani
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2021 8:27 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New and apparent lag with NVDA in File Explorer, and an Introducion
 
Gene,
even if you have multiple items selected, pressing enter will activate only the last selected item.
Regards,
Dzhovani


tim
 

Well not sure what OS your running. But if you select more than one file no mater what type it will open all selected.

I selected 3 txt and 3 mp3's and 3 exicutables and got 9 extra windows open up.

That is windows default action.


On 10/11/2021 9:27 AM, Dzhovani wrote:
Gene,
even if you have multiple items selected, pressing enter will activate only the last selected item.
Regards,
Dzhovani


Bruno Aníbal Prieto González
 

I have the same problem with Windows 11 and it is very annoying. I
just reported an issue on github, for those who want to support.

https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/12956

Regards

2021-10-11 19:22 GMT-03:00, tim <z2004a1@gmail.com>:

Well not sure what OS your running. But if you select more than one file
no mater what type it will open all selected.

I selected 3 txt and 3 mp3's and 3 exicutables and got 9 extra windows
open up.

That is windows default action.


On 10/11/2021 9:27 AM, Dzhovani wrote:
Gene,
even if you have multiple items selected, pressing enter will activate
only the last selected item.
Regards,
Dzhovani





 

Hi,

Just commented on the GitHub issue you raised - keep an eye out for build 22000.28x as this issue is supposedly mitigated somewhat.

Cheers,

Joseph


Bruno Aníbal Prieto González
 

thanks a lot Joseph

2021-10-18 22:09 GMT-03:00, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>:

Hi,

Just commented on the GitHub issue you raised - keep an eye out for build
22000.28x as this issue is supposedly mitigated somewhat.

Cheers,

Joseph






cisco
 

Hello there,

But what if we donàt have insider previews enabled?
Best regards.
Francisco

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bruno Aníbal Prieto González
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2021 3:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New and apparent lag with NVDA in File Explorer, and an Introducion

thanks a lot Joseph

2021-10-18 22:09 GMT-03:00, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>:
Hi,

Just commented on the GitHub issue you raised - keep an eye out for
build 22000.28x as this issue is supposedly mitigated somewhat.

Cheers,

Joseph






 

Hi,

These improvements will show up to non-Insiders soon. Typically Insiders on different channels will test latest code from:

  • Dev channel: latest code that passed tests inside Microsoft
  • Beta and release preview channels: latest code for the current Windows release

Build 22000.28x is the build being tested by Windows Insiders on beta and release preview channels, and it includes fixes for File Explorer. People on dev channel have already moved onto build 22400 series.

As for a possibly related question about NVDA supporting Windows Insider Preview builds: without going into details, yes, NVDA does support Insider Preview builds to some extent.

Cheers,

Joseph