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John Isige #33346 Really? Do we have a full list anywhere? I called the Microsoft disability thingy and asked about documentation for the new skype, and they never got back to me. That suggests it either doesn't exist, or they're super lazy. Nice folks though. I stopped using it because, like another poster, I couldn't figure out how to answer calls and such, plus it seems like it needed to be open to really do anything with it, and it wouldn't minimize to the system tray or such. It was also slow, e.g. at bringing up conversations, and it didn't seem to read them very well. It tended to read multiple messages when you arrowed around. I freely admit part of this might be my inability to use it, which is why I asked for documentation from Microsoft. But all the documentation I can find seems to be for the old skype. I got tired of messing with it and went back to old skype. toggle quoted message Show quoted text On 1/6/2018 21:12, Joseph Lee wrote: Hi, Skype universal app does have shortcut keys, such as Alt+1 to go to conversations, Alt+2 for contacts, Alt+3 for bots and so on). Cheers, Joseph -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 6:56 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! That's such a slugish and obnoxious way to navigate a programme, really. Come on Microsoft. -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Isige Sent: January 6, 2018 9:52 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! In the new Windows app thing? Sure. In fact I think it's the only way to use it really. On 1/6/2018 20:28, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote: Can you still tab around Skype like normal, though? I'm curious, because I've never really used keyboard shortcuts. Just menus and tabbing between options. On 7/01/2018 1:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: Awesome. It's gone. Thanks. I'll go install the classic version here in a bit. On 1/6/2018 9:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: OK, I didn't think it worked that way for universal apps. I'll give it a try. On 1/6/2018 8:58 PM, Rich De Steno wrote: The same way you uninstall any program: Press your Windows key and type remove Arrow down to "Add and Remove Programs and press Enter Arrow down to Skype in the list of programs Press your applications key and arrow down to remove and press Enter On 1/6/2018 7:38 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: So then, I guess my next question would be how to uninstall the universal version within Windows 10. I guess Google's to the rescue. LOL! On 1/6/2018 6:49 PM, iván Novegil wrote: Yes, installer downloaded from both links works with windows10. Skype forces to use Universal app only in 8.x. I could install 7.x (version downloadable from the two links sent) in Win10 without problems some weeks ago. Regards. Iván Novegil Cancelas Editor ivan.novegil@... Comunidad hispanohablante de NVDA \| Proyecto NVDA.es -www.NVDA.es Usuario do NVDA en galego *Note que a anterior mensaxe e/ou os seus adxuntos pode conter información privada ou confidencial. O emprego da información desta mensaxe e/ou dos seus adxuntos está reservado ao ámbito privado do destinatario agás autorización do remitente. Se recibiu esta mensaxe por erro comuníqueo por esta mesma vía e destrúa a mensaxe.* O 06/01/2018 á(s) 23:54, Christopher-Mark Gilland escribiu: Wow! Thank you for this link. Will this work with Windows 10 as well? I'm not much a fan of the Universal app version of Skype. Don't get me wrong. It's O... Kayyyy, but, I definitely don't prefer it. I don't have all the issue with Skype that a lot of people seem to have, in fact, I personally enjoy using it, so if I can get that Universal version uninstalled in Windows 10, and get rid of the classic version, that would be fantastic! On 1/6/2018 11:39 AM, Marten Post Uiterweer wrote: Rich, Remove your current skype installation and install the skype classic version from this link: If you do not remove the old installation, you will get two skype versions after installation of the classic version. http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-full Regards, Marten On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 16:32:53 -0000 "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io"<bglists@...> wrote: I've never had it force an update on windows 7. it always asks to which I say politely no thanks. I'm not sure how one gets the old version. However there does seem to have been a long history with Skype mucking it up on every update they do. I hardly ever use it these days personally, but for many years the tendency to hi jack the audio settings and not put them back afterwards seemed rather draconian to me. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich De Steno"<ironrock@...> To:<nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2018 5:42 AM Subject: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! I have used NVDA successfully with Skype for many years. Suddenly, tonight, on my Windows 7 laptop, when I entered Skype, a new version was forcibly installed, something like Version 8.1.2, and it presented me with an interface that I could not comprehend with NVDA. None of the shortcut keys that I previously used would work. I received a call from a friend right after this forced installation and could not answer it, because the usual alt-PageUp key combo for answering a call was useless, as were all other previous shortcut keys. What is the solution to this problem. I totally uninstalled Skype for now. Do we give up on Skype as NVDA users, or install a different version or perhaps some other chat program? -- Rich De Steno -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 -- Rich De Steno -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401
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Joseph Lee #33347 Hi, To answer calls via Skype universal app, once a call arrives, press Windows+V, then press Enter to answer. The list of shortcut keys for Skype universal app can be found at: https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA12025/what-are-hotkeys-and-how-do-i-use-them-in-skype?q=How+do+i+set+my+hotkeys+on+Skype+Windows+10%3F Cheers, Joseph toggle quoted message Show quoted text -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Isige Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 8:32 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Really? Do we have a full list anywhere? I called the Microsoft disability thingy and asked about documentation for the new skype, and they never got back to me. That suggests it either doesn't exist, or they're super lazy. Nice folks though. I stopped using it because, like another poster, I couldn't figure out how to answer calls and such, plus it seems like it needed to be open to really do anything with it, and it wouldn't minimize to the system tray or such. It was also slow, e.g. at bringing up conversations, and it didn't seem to read them very well. It tended to read multiple messages when you arrowed around. I freely admit part of this might be my inability to use it, which is why I asked for documentation from Microsoft. But all the documentation I can find seems to be for the old skype. I got tired of messing with it and went back to old skype. On 1/6/2018 21:12, Joseph Lee wrote: Hi, Skype universal app does have shortcut keys, such as Alt+1 to go to conversations, Alt+2 for contacts, Alt+3 for bots and so on). Cheers, Joseph -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 6:56 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! That's such a slugish and obnoxious way to navigate a programme, really. Come on Microsoft. -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Isige Sent: January 6, 2018 9:52 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! In the new Windows app thing? Sure. In fact I think it's the only way to use it really. On 1/6/2018 20:28, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote: Can you still tab around Skype like normal, though? I'm curious, because I've never really used keyboard shortcuts. Just menus and tabbing between options. On 7/01/2018 1:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: Awesome. It's gone. Thanks. I'll go install the classic version here in a bit. On 1/6/2018 9:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: OK, I didn't think it worked that way for universal apps. I'll give it a try. On 1/6/2018 8:58 PM, Rich De Steno wrote: The same way you uninstall any program: Press your Windows key and type remove Arrow down to "Add and Remove Programs and press Enter Arrow down to Skype in the list of programs Press your applications key and arrow down to remove and press Enter On 1/6/2018 7:38 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: So then, I guess my next question would be how to uninstall the universal version within Windows 10. I guess Google's to the rescue. LOL! On 1/6/2018 6:49 PM, iván Novegil wrote: Yes, installer downloaded from both links works with windows10. Skype forces to use Universal app only in 8.x. I could install 7.x (version downloadable from the two links sent) in Win10 without problems some weeks ago. Regards. Iván Novegil Cancelas Editor ivan.novegil@... Comunidad hispanohablante de NVDA \| Proyecto NVDA.es -www.NVDA.es Usuario do NVDA en galego *Note que a anterior mensaxe e/ou os seus adxuntos pode conter información privada ou confidencial. O emprego da información desta mensaxe e/ou dos seus adxuntos está reservado ao ámbito privado do destinatario agás autorización do remitente. Se recibiu esta mensaxe por erro comuníqueo por esta mesma vía e destrúa a mensaxe.* O 06/01/2018 á(s) 23:54, Christopher-Mark Gilland escribiu: Wow! Thank you for this link. Will this work with Windows 10 as well? I'm not much a fan of the Universal app version of Skype. Don't get me wrong. It's O... Kayyyy, but, I definitely don't prefer it. I don't have all the issue with Skype that a lot of people seem to have, in fact, I personally enjoy using it, so if I can get that Universal version uninstalled in Windows 10, and get rid of the classic version, that would be fantastic! On 1/6/2018 11:39 AM, Marten Post Uiterweer wrote: Rich, Remove your current skype installation and install the skype classic version from this link: If you do not remove the old installation, you will get two skype versions after installation of the classic version. http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-full Regards, Marten On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 16:32:53 -0000 "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io"<bglists@...> wrote: I've never had it force an update on windows 7. it always asks to which I say politely no thanks. I'm not sure how one gets the old version. However there does seem to have been a long history with Skype mucking it up on every update they do. I hardly ever use it these days personally, but for many years the tendency to hi jack the audio settings and not put them back afterwards seemed rather draconian to me. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich De Steno"<ironrock@...> To:<nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2018 5:42 AM Subject: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! I have used NVDA successfully with Skype for many years. Suddenly, tonight, on my Windows 7 laptop, when I entered Skype, a new version was forcibly installed, something like Version 8.1.2, and it presented me with an interface that I could not comprehend with NVDA. None of the shortcut keys that I previously used would work. I received a call from a friend right after this forced installation and could not answer it, because the usual alt-PageUp key combo for answering a call was useless, as were all other previous shortcut keys. What is the solution to this problem. I totally uninstalled Skype for now. Do we give up on Skype as NVDA users, or install a different version or perhaps some other chat program? -- Rich De Steno -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 -- Rich De Steno -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401
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John Isige #33348 Thanks Joseph! Hopefully this will get some people to try it out. I still wish it would pop up a window for messages, because if I'm away from my computer when they come in, the way I tend to catch them is when I'm switching windows and see there's a skype window up. Also minimizing to the tray would be nice, because I don't like having windows open unless I'm using them. But I'll check out the list of keys and try giving the new skype a shot again I think. toggle quoted message Show quoted text On 1/6/2018 22:50, Joseph Lee wrote: Hi, To answer calls via Skype universal app, once a call arrives, press Windows+V, then press Enter to answer. The list of shortcut keys for Skype universal app can be found at: https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA12025/what-are-hotkeys-and-how-do-i-use-them-in-skype?q=How+do+i+set+my+hotkeys+on+Skype+Windows+10%3F Cheers, Joseph -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Isige Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 8:32 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Really? Do we have a full list anywhere? I called the Microsoft disability thingy and asked about documentation for the new skype, and they never got back to me. That suggests it either doesn't exist, or they're super lazy. Nice folks though. I stopped using it because, like another poster, I couldn't figure out how to answer calls and such, plus it seems like it needed to be open to really do anything with it, and it wouldn't minimize to the system tray or such. It was also slow, e.g. at bringing up conversations, and it didn't seem to read them very well. It tended to read multiple messages when you arrowed around. I freely admit part of this might be my inability to use it, which is why I asked for documentation from Microsoft. But all the documentation I can find seems to be for the old skype. I got tired of messing with it and went back to old skype. On 1/6/2018 21:12, Joseph Lee wrote: Hi, Skype universal app does have shortcut keys, such as Alt+1 to go to conversations, Alt+2 for contacts, Alt+3 for bots and so on). Cheers, Joseph -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 6:56 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! That's such a slugish and obnoxious way to navigate a programme, really. Come on Microsoft. -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Isige Sent: January 6, 2018 9:52 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! In the new Windows app thing? Sure. In fact I think it's the only way to use it really. On 1/6/2018 20:28, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote: Can you still tab around Skype like normal, though? I'm curious, because I've never really used keyboard shortcuts. Just menus and tabbing between options. On 7/01/2018 1:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: Awesome. It's gone. Thanks. I'll go install the classic version here in a bit. On 1/6/2018 9:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: OK, I didn't think it worked that way for universal apps. I'll give it a try. On 1/6/2018 8:58 PM, Rich De Steno wrote: The same way you uninstall any program: Press your Windows key and type remove Arrow down to "Add and Remove Programs and press Enter Arrow down to Skype in the list of programs Press your applications key and arrow down to remove and press Enter On 1/6/2018 7:38 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: So then, I guess my next question would be how to uninstall the universal version within Windows 10. I guess Google's to the rescue. LOL! On 1/6/2018 6:49 PM, iván Novegil wrote: Yes, installer downloaded from both links works with windows10. Skype forces to use Universal app only in 8.x. I could install 7.x (version downloadable from the two links sent) in Win10 without problems some weeks ago. Regards. Iván Novegil Cancelas Editor ivan.novegil@... Comunidad hispanohablante de NVDA \| Proyecto NVDA.es -www.NVDA.es Usuario do NVDA en galego *Note que a anterior mensaxe e/ou os seus adxuntos pode conter información privada ou confidencial. O emprego da información desta mensaxe e/ou dos seus adxuntos está reservado ao ámbito privado do destinatario agás autorización do remitente. Se recibiu esta mensaxe por erro comuníqueo por esta mesma vía e destrúa a mensaxe.* O 06/01/2018 á(s) 23:54, Christopher-Mark Gilland escribiu: Wow! Thank you for this link. Will this work with Windows 10 as well? I'm not much a fan of the Universal app version of Skype. Don't get me wrong. It's O... Kayyyy, but, I definitely don't prefer it. I don't have all the issue with Skype that a lot of people seem to have, in fact, I personally enjoy using it, so if I can get that Universal version uninstalled in Windows 10, and get rid of the classic version, that would be fantastic! On 1/6/2018 11:39 AM, Marten Post Uiterweer wrote: Rich, Remove your current skype installation and install the skype classic version from this link: If you do not remove the old installation, you will get two skype versions after installation of the classic version. http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-full Regards, Marten On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 16:32:53 -0000 "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io"<bglists@...> wrote: I've never had it force an update on windows 7. it always asks to which I say politely no thanks. I'm not sure how one gets the old version. However there does seem to have been a long history with Skype mucking it up on every update they do. I hardly ever use it these days personally, but for many years the tendency to hi jack the audio settings and not put them back afterwards seemed rather draconian to me. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich De Steno"<ironrock@...> To:<nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2018 5:42 AM Subject: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! I have used NVDA successfully with Skype for many years. Suddenly, tonight, on my Windows 7 laptop, when I entered Skype, a new version was forcibly installed, something like Version 8.1.2, and it presented me with an interface that I could not comprehend with NVDA. None of the shortcut keys that I previously used would work. I received a call from a friend right after this forced installation and could not answer it, because the usual alt-PageUp key combo for answering a call was useless, as were all other previous shortcut keys. What is the solution to this problem. I totally uninstalled Skype for now. Do we give up on Skype as NVDA users, or install a different version or perhaps some other chat program? -- Rich De Steno -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 -- Rich De Steno -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401
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Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...> #33349 Wasn't there supposed to be some JAWS scripts for the Universal version of Skype that recently were released? Does anyone know where to get them? Also, is there specifically an NVDA addon for the Universal version? On 1/7/2018 12:59 AM, John Isige wrote: Thanks Joseph! Hopefully this will get some people to try it out. I still wish it would pop up a window for messages, because if I'm away from my computer when they come in, the way I tend to catch them is when I'm switching windows and see there's a skype window up. Also minimizing to the tray would be nice, because I don't like having windows open unless I'm using them. But I'll check out the list of keys and try giving the new skype a shot again I think. On 1/6/2018 22:50, Joseph Lee wrote: Hi, To answer calls via Skype universal app, once a call arrives, press Windows+V, then press Enter to answer. The list of shortcut keys for Skype universal app can be found at: https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA12025/what-are-hotkeys-and-how-do-i-use-them-in-skype?q=How+do+i+set+my+hotkeys+on+Skype+Windows+10%3F Cheers, Joseph -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Isige Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 8:32 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Really? Do we have a full list anywhere? I called the Microsoft disability thingy and asked about documentation for the new skype, and they never got back to me. That suggests it either doesn't exist, or they're super lazy. Nice folks though. I stopped using it because, like another poster, I couldn't figure out how to answer calls and such, plus it seems like it needed to be open to really do anything with it, and it wouldn't minimize to the system tray or such. It was also slow, e.g. at bringing up conversations, and it didn't seem to read them very well. It tended to read multiple messages when you arrowed around. I freely admit part of this might be my inability to use it, which is why I asked for documentation from Microsoft. But all the documentation I can find seems to be for the old skype. I got tired of messing with it and went back to old skype. On 1/6/2018 21:12, Joseph Lee wrote: Hi, Skype universal app does have shortcut keys, such as Alt+1 to go to conversations, Alt+2 for contacts, Alt+3 for bots and so on). Cheers, Joseph -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 6:56 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! That's such a slugish and obnoxious way to navigate a programme, really. Come on Microsoft. -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Isige Sent: January 6, 2018 9:52 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! In the new Windows app thing? Sure. In fact I think it's the only way to use it really. On 1/6/2018 20:28, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote: Can you still tab around Skype like normal, though? I'm curious, because I've never really used keyboard shortcuts. Just menus and tabbing between options. On 7/01/2018 1:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: Awesome. It's gone. Thanks. I'll go install the classic version here in a bit. On 1/6/2018 9:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: OK, I didn't think it worked that way for universal apps. I'll give it a try. On 1/6/2018 8:58 PM, Rich De Steno wrote: The same way you uninstall any program: Press your Windows key and type remove Arrow down to "Add and Remove Programs and press Enter Arrow down to Skype in the list of programs Press your applications key and arrow down to remove and press Enter On 1/6/2018 7:38 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: So then, I guess my next question would be how to uninstall the universal version within Windows 10. I guess Google's to the rescue. LOL! On 1/6/2018 6:49 PM, iván Novegil wrote: Yes, installer downloaded from both links works with windows10. Skype forces to use Universal app only in 8.x. I could install 7.x (version downloadable from the two links sent) in Win10 without problems some weeks ago. Regards. Iván Novegil Cancelas Editor ivan.novegil@... Comunidad hispanohablante de NVDA \| Proyecto NVDA.es -www.NVDA.es Usuario do NVDA en galego *Note que a anterior mensaxe e/ou os seus adxuntos pode conter información privada ou confidencial. O emprego da información desta mensaxe e/ou dos seus adxuntos está reservado ao ámbito privado do destinatario agás autorización do remitente. Se recibiu esta mensaxe por erro comuníqueo por esta mesma vía e destrúa a mensaxe.* O 06/01/2018 á(s) 23:54, Christopher-Mark Gilland escribiu: Wow! Thank you for this link. Will this work with Windows 10 as well? I'm not much a fan of the Universal app version of Skype. Don't get me wrong. It's O... Kayyyy, but, I definitely don't prefer it. I don't have all the issue with Skype that a lot of people seem to have, in fact, I personally enjoy using it, so if I can get that Universal version uninstalled in Windows 10, and get rid of the classic version, that would be fantastic! On 1/6/2018 11:39 AM, Marten Post Uiterweer wrote: Rich, Remove your current skype installation and install the skype classic version from this link: If you do not remove the old installation, you will get two skype versions after installation of the classic version. http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-full Regards, Marten On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 16:32:53 -0000 "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io"<bglists@...> wrote: I've never had it force an update on windows 7. it always asks to which I say politely no thanks. I'm not sure how one gets the old version. However there does seem to have been a long history with Skype mucking it up on every update they do. I hardly ever use it these days personally, but for many years the tendency to hi jack the audio settings and not put them back afterwards seemed rather draconian to me. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich De Steno"<ironrock@...> To:<nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2018 5:42 AM Subject: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! I have used NVDA successfully with Skype for many years. Suddenly, tonight, on my Windows 7 laptop, when I entered Skype, a new version was forcibly installed, something like Version 8.1.2, and it presented me with an interface that I could not comprehend with NVDA. None of the shortcut keys that I previously used would work. I received a call from a friend right after this forced installation and could not answer it, because the usual alt-PageUp key combo for answering a call was useless, as were all other previous shortcut keys. What is the solution to this problem. I totally uninstalled Skype for now. Do we give up on Skype as NVDA users, or install a different version or perhaps some other chat program? -- Rich De Steno -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 -- Rich De Steno -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401
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Shaun Everiss #33351 Well, I have not had it do this either. Good thing is if you go to download skype and select tablets classic skype aparently still runs on those. There is no update but yeah, I tried to use the new universal app and skype classic is still a lot more accessible. toggle quoted message Show quoted text On 7/01/2018 5:32 a.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote: I've never had it force an update on windows 7. it always asks to which I say politely no thanks. I'm not sure how one gets the old version. However there does seem to have been a long history with Skype mucking it up on every update they do. I hardly ever use it these days personally, but for many years the tendency to hi jack the audio settings and not put them back afterwards seemed rather draconian to me. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich De Steno" <ironrock@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2018 5:42 AM Subject: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! I have used NVDA successfully with Skype for many years. Suddenly, tonight, on my Windows 7 laptop, when I entered Skype, a new version was forcibly installed, something like Version 8.1.2, and it presented me with an interface that I could not comprehend with NVDA. None of the shortcut keys that I previously used would work. I received a call from a friend right after this forced installation and could not answer it, because the usual alt-PageUp key combo for answering a call was useless, as were all other previous shortcut keys. What is the solution to this problem. I totally uninstalled Skype for now. Do we give up on Skype as NVDA users, or install a different version or perhaps some other chat program?
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Marcio #33352 Hi,, This problem came to me, too. So, I'm really thankful for this link! Hope it works here. Em 06/01/2018 14:39, Marten Post Uiterweer escreveu: toggle quoted message Show quoted text Rich, Remove your current skype installation and install the skype classic version from this link: If you do not remove the old installation, you will get two skype versions after installation of the classic version. http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-full Regards, Marten On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 16:32:53 -0000 "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io" <bglists@...> wrote: I've never had it force an update on windows 7. it always asks to which I say politely no thanks. I'm not sure how one gets the old version. However there does seem to have been a long history with Skype mucking it up on every update they do. I hardly ever use it these days personally, but for many years the tendency to hi jack the audio settings and not put them back afterwards seemed rather draconian to me. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich De Steno" <ironrock@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2018 5:42 AM Subject: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! I have used NVDA successfully with Skype for many years. Suddenly, tonight, on my Windows 7 laptop, when I entered Skype, a new version was forcibly installed, something like Version 8.1.2, and it presented me with an interface that I could not comprehend with NVDA. None of the shortcut keys that I previously used would work. I received a call from a friend right after this forced installation and could not answer it, because the usual alt-PageUp key combo for answering a call was useless, as were all other previous shortcut keys. What is the solution to this problem. I totally uninstalled Skype for now. Do we give up on Skype as NVDA users, or install a different version or perhaps some other chat program? -- Rich De Steno
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Brian's Mail list account #33354 I think from what I've been reading, the problem is that Msoft keep on altering the so called universal app, so mobody ever catches up with scripts. This is why the classic is the best approach. I'd imagine while there still are loads of users of Windows 7 out there, they won't abandon the older version. In fact in my windows 7 updates I see any update to Skype is flagged as optional, which suits me fine in fact as I just deleted the bloomin thing. I don't use it enough to need its iternal meddling with sound settings ehen its run. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. toggle quoted message Show quoted text ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher-Mark Gilland" <clgilland07@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2018 6:02 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Wasn't there supposed to be some JAWS scripts for the Universal version of Skype that recently were released? Does anyone know where to get them? Also, is there specifically an NVDA addon for the Universal version? On 1/7/2018 12:59 AM, John Isige wrote: Thanks Joseph! Hopefully this will get some people to try it out. I still wish it would pop up a window for messages, because if I'm away from my computer when they come in, the way I tend to catch them is when I'm switching windows and see there's a skype window up. Also minimizing to the tray would be nice, because I don't like having windows open unless I'm using them. But I'll check out the list of keys and try giving the new skype a shot again I think. On 1/6/2018 22:50, Joseph Lee wrote: Hi, To answer calls via Skype universal app, once a call arrives, press Windows+V, then press Enter to answer. The list of shortcut keys for Skype universal app can be found at: https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA12025/what-are-hotkeys-and-how-do-i-use-them-in-skype?q=How+do+i+set+my+hotkeys+on+Skype+Windows+10%3F Cheers, Joseph -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Isige Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 8:32 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Really? Do we have a full list anywhere? I called the Microsoft disability thingy and asked about documentation for the new skype, and they never got back to me. That suggests it either doesn't exist, or they're super lazy. Nice folks though. I stopped using it because, like another poster, I couldn't figure out how to answer calls and such, plus it seems like it needed to be open to really do anything with it, and it wouldn't minimize to the system tray or such. It was also slow, e.g. at bringing up conversations, and it didn't seem to read them very well. It tended to read multiple messages when you arrowed around. I freely admit part of this might be my inability to use it, which is why I asked for documentation from Microsoft. But all the documentation I can find seems to be for the old skype. I got tired of messing with it and went back to old skype. On 1/6/2018 21:12, Joseph Lee wrote: Hi, Skype universal app does have shortcut keys, such as Alt+1 to go to conversations, Alt+2 for contacts, Alt+3 for bots and so on). Cheers, Joseph -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 6:56 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! That's such a slugish and obnoxious way to navigate a programme, really. Come on Microsoft. -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Isige Sent: January 6, 2018 9:52 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! In the new Windows app thing? Sure. In fact I think it's the only way to use it really. On 1/6/2018 20:28, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote: Can you still tab around Skype like normal, though? I'm curious, because I've never really used keyboard shortcuts. Just menus and tabbing between options. On 7/01/2018 1:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: Awesome. It's gone. Thanks. I'll go install the classic version here in a bit. On 1/6/2018 9:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: OK, I didn't think it worked that way for universal apps. I'll give it a try. On 1/6/2018 8:58 PM, Rich De Steno wrote: The same way you uninstall any program: Press your Windows key and type remove Arrow down to "Add and Remove Programs and press Enter Arrow down to Skype in the list of programs Press your applications key and arrow down to remove and press Enter On 1/6/2018 7:38 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: So then, I guess my next question would be how to uninstall the universal version within Windows 10. I guess Google's to the rescue. LOL! On 1/6/2018 6:49 PM, iván Novegil wrote: Yes, installer downloaded from both links works with windows10. Skype forces to use Universal app only in 8.x. I could install 7.x (version downloadable from the two links sent) in Win10 without problems some weeks ago. Regards. Iván Novegil Cancelas Editor ivan.novegil@... Comunidad hispanohablante de NVDA \| Proyecto NVDA.es -www.NVDA.es Usuario do NVDA en galego *Note que a anterior mensaxe e/ou os seus adxuntos pode conter información privada ou confidencial. O emprego da información desta mensaxe e/ou dos seus adxuntos está reservado ao ámbito privado do destinatario agás autorización do remitente. Se recibiu esta mensaxe por erro comuníqueo por esta mesma vía e destrúa a mensaxe.* O 06/01/2018 á(s) 23:54, Christopher-Mark Gilland escribiu: Wow! Thank you for this link. Will this work with Windows 10 as well? I'm not much a fan of the Universal app version of Skype. Don't get me wrong. It's O... Kayyyy, but, I definitely don't prefer it. I don't have all the issue with Skype that a lot of people seem to have, in fact, I personally enjoy using it, so if I can get that Universal version uninstalled in Windows 10, and get rid of the classic version, that would be fantastic! On 1/6/2018 11:39 AM, Marten Post Uiterweer wrote: Rich, Remove your current skype installation and install the skype classic version from this link: If you do not remove the old installation, you will get two skype versions after installation of the classic version. http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-full Regards, Marten On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 16:32:53 -0000 "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io"<bglists@...> wrote: I've never had it force an update on windows 7. it always asks to which I say politely no thanks. I'm not sure how one gets the old version. However there does seem to have been a long history with Skype mucking it up on every update they do. I hardly ever use it these days personally, but for many years the tendency to hi jack the audio settings and not put them back afterwards seemed rather draconian to me. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich De Steno"<ironrock@...> To:<nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2018 5:42 AM Subject: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! I have used NVDA successfully with Skype for many years. Suddenly, tonight, on my Windows 7 laptop, when I entered Skype, a new version was forcibly installed, something like Version 8.1.2, and it presented me with an interface that I could not comprehend with NVDA. None of the shortcut keys that I previously used would work. I received a call from a friend right after this forced installation and could not answer it, because the usual alt-PageUp key combo for answering a call was useless, as were all other previous shortcut keys. What is the solution to this problem. I totally uninstalled Skype for now. Do we give up on Skype as NVDA users, or install a different version or perhaps some other chat program? -- Rich De Steno -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 -- Rich De Steno -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401
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Brian's Mail list account #33355 As a bystander on this, it seems to me that Somebody at Microsoft is wasting loads of peoples time making changes to software that already works. Does anyone have any idea why they would want to keep changing the software? I can only think of a couple and the last time I mentioned it here I was jumped on. grin. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. toggle quoted message Show quoted text ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2018 4:50 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Hi, To answer calls via Skype universal app, once a call arrives, press Windows+V, then press Enter to answer. The list of shortcut keys for Skype universal app can be found at: https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA12025/what-are-hotkeys-and-how-do-i-use-them-in-skype?q=How+do+i+set+my+hotkeys+on+Skype+Windows+10%3F Cheers, Joseph -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Isige Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 8:32 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Really? Do we have a full list anywhere? I called the Microsoft disability thingy and asked about documentation for the new skype, and they never got back to me. That suggests it either doesn't exist, or they're super lazy. Nice folks though. I stopped using it because, like another poster, I couldn't figure out how to answer calls and such, plus it seems like it needed to be open to really do anything with it, and it wouldn't minimize to the system tray or such. It was also slow, e.g. at bringing up conversations, and it didn't seem to read them very well. It tended to read multiple messages when you arrowed around. I freely admit part of this might be my inability to use it, which is why I asked for documentation from Microsoft. But all the documentation I can find seems to be for the old skype. I got tired of messing with it and went back to old skype. On 1/6/2018 21:12, Joseph Lee wrote: Hi, Skype universal app does have shortcut keys, such as Alt+1 to go to conversations, Alt+2 for contacts, Alt+3 for bots and so on). Cheers, Joseph -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 6:56 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! That's such a slugish and obnoxious way to navigate a programme, really. Come on Microsoft. -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Isige Sent: January 6, 2018 9:52 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! In the new Windows app thing? Sure. In fact I think it's the only way to use it really. On 1/6/2018 20:28, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote: Can you still tab around Skype like normal, though? I'm curious, because I've never really used keyboard shortcuts. Just menus and tabbing between options. On 7/01/2018 1:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: Awesome. It's gone. Thanks. I'll go install the classic version here in a bit. On 1/6/2018 9:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: OK, I didn't think it worked that way for universal apps. I'll give it a try. On 1/6/2018 8:58 PM, Rich De Steno wrote: The same way you uninstall any program: Press your Windows key and type remove Arrow down to "Add and Remove Programs and press Enter Arrow down to Skype in the list of programs Press your applications key and arrow down to remove and press Enter On 1/6/2018 7:38 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: So then, I guess my next question would be how to uninstall the universal version within Windows 10. I guess Google's to the rescue. LOL! On 1/6/2018 6:49 PM, iván Novegil wrote: Yes, installer downloaded from both links works with windows10. Skype forces to use Universal app only in 8.x. I could install 7.x (version downloadable from the two links sent) in Win10 without problems some weeks ago. Regards. Iván Novegil Cancelas Editor ivan.novegil@... Comunidad hispanohablante de NVDA \| Proyecto NVDA.es -www.NVDA.es Usuario do NVDA en galego *Note que a anterior mensaxe e/ou os seus adxuntos pode conter información privada ou confidencial. O emprego da información desta mensaxe e/ou dos seus adxuntos está reservado ao ámbito privado do destinatario agás autorización do remitente. Se recibiu esta mensaxe por erro comuníqueo por esta mesma vía e destrúa a mensaxe.* O 06/01/2018 á(s) 23:54, Christopher-Mark Gilland escribiu: Wow! Thank you for this link. Will this work with Windows 10 as well? I'm not much a fan of the Universal app version of Skype. Don't get me wrong. It's O... Kayyyy, but, I definitely don't prefer it. I don't have all the issue with Skype that a lot of people seem to have, in fact, I personally enjoy using it, so if I can get that Universal version uninstalled in Windows 10, and get rid of the classic version, that would be fantastic! On 1/6/2018 11:39 AM, Marten Post Uiterweer wrote: Rich, Remove your current skype installation and install the skype classic version from this link: If you do not remove the old installation, you will get two skype versions after installation of the classic version. http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-full Regards, Marten On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 16:32:53 -0000 "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io"<bglists@...> wrote: I've never had it force an update on windows 7. it always asks to which I say politely no thanks. I'm not sure how one gets the old version. However there does seem to have been a long history with Skype mucking it up on every update they do. I hardly ever use it these days personally, but for many years the tendency to hi jack the audio settings and not put them back afterwards seemed rather draconian to me. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich De Steno"<ironrock@...> To:<nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2018 5:42 AM Subject: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! I have used NVDA successfully with Skype for many years. Suddenly, tonight, on my Windows 7 laptop, when I entered Skype, a new version was forcibly installed, something like Version 8.1.2, and it presented me with an interface that I could not comprehend with NVDA. None of the shortcut keys that I previously used would work. I received a call from a friend right after this forced installation and could not answer it, because the usual alt-PageUp key combo for answering a call was useless, as were all other previous shortcut keys. What is the solution to this problem. I totally uninstalled Skype for now. Do we give up on Skype as NVDA users, or install a different version or perhaps some other chat program? -- Rich De Steno -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 -- Rich De Steno -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401
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Rich De Steno <ironrock@...> #33356 Because the world is comprised primarily of sighted people who crave visual stimulation. Accessibility of programs and devices to those without eyesight is a distant second consideration. That is primarily why Skype was dramatically changed to its current incarnation. It is a visual gold mine! Rich De Steno toggle quoted message Show quoted text On 1/7/2018 5:47 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote: As a bystander on this, it seems to me that Somebody at Microsoft is wasting loads of peoples time making changes to software that already works. Does anyone have any idea why they would want to keep changing the software? I can only think of a couple and the last time I mentioned it here I was jumped on. grin. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2018 4:50 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Hi, To answer calls via Skype universal app, once a call arrives, press Windows+V, then press Enter to answer. The list of shortcut keys for Skype universal app can be found at: https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA12025/what-are-hotkeys-and-how-do-i-use-them-in-skype?q=How+do+i+set+my+hotkeys+on+Skype+Windows+10%3F Cheers, Joseph -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Isige Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 8:32 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Really? Do we have a full list anywhere? I called the Microsoft disability thingy and asked about documentation for the new skype, and they never got back to me. That suggests it either doesn't exist, or they're super lazy. Nice folks though. I stopped using it because, like another poster, I couldn't figure out how to answer calls and such, plus it seems like it needed to be open to really do anything with it, and it wouldn't minimize to the system tray or such. It was also slow, e.g. at bringing up conversations, and it didn't seem to read them very well. It tended to read multiple messages when you arrowed around. I freely admit part of this might be my inability to use it, which is why I asked for documentation from Microsoft. But all the documentation I can find seems to be for the old skype. I got tired of messing with it and went back to old skype. On 1/6/2018 21:12, Joseph Lee wrote: Hi, Skype universal app does have shortcut keys, such as Alt+1 to go to conversations, Alt+2 for contacts, Alt+3 for bots and so on). Cheers, Joseph -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 6:56 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! That's such a slugish and obnoxious way to navigate a programme, really. Come on Microsoft. -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Isige Sent: January 6, 2018 9:52 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! In the new Windows app thing? Sure. In fact I think it's the only way to use it really. On 1/6/2018 20:28, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote: Can you still tab around Skype like normal, though? I'm curious, because I've never really used keyboard shortcuts. Just menus and tabbing between options. On 7/01/2018 1:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: Awesome. It's gone. Thanks. I'll go install the classic version here in a bit. On 1/6/2018 9:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: OK, I didn't think it worked that way for universal apps. I'll give it a try. On 1/6/2018 8:58 PM, Rich De Steno wrote: The same way you uninstall any program: Press your Windows key and type remove Arrow down to "Add and Remove Programs and press Enter Arrow down to Skype in the list of programs Press your applications key and arrow down to remove and press Enter On 1/6/2018 7:38 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: So then, I guess my next question would be how to uninstall the universal version within Windows 10. I guess Google's to the rescue. LOL! On 1/6/2018 6:49 PM, iván Novegil wrote: Yes, installer downloaded from both links works with windows10. Skype forces to use Universal app only in 8.x. I could install 7.x (version downloadable from the two links sent) in Win10 without problems some weeks ago. Regards. Iván Novegil Cancelas Editor ivan.novegil@... Comunidad hispanohablante de NVDA \| Proyecto NVDA.es -www.NVDA.es Usuario do NVDA en galego *Note que a anterior mensaxe e/ou os seus adxuntos pode conter información privada ou confidencial. O emprego da información desta mensaxe e/ou dos seus adxuntos está reservado ao ámbito privado do destinatario agás autorización do remitente. Se recibiu esta mensaxe por erro comuníqueo por esta mesma vía e destrúa a mensaxe.* O 06/01/2018 á(s) 23:54, Christopher-Mark Gilland escribiu: Wow! Thank you for this link. Will this work with Windows 10 as well? I'm not much a fan of the Universal app version of Skype. Don't get me wrong. It's O... Kayyyy, but, I definitely don't prefer it. I don't have all the issue with Skype that a lot of people seem to have, in fact, I personally enjoy using it, so if I can get that Universal version uninstalled in Windows 10, and get rid of the classic version, that would be fantastic! On 1/6/2018 11:39 AM, Marten Post Uiterweer wrote: Rich, Remove your current skype installation and install the skype classic version from this link: If you do not remove the old installation, you will get two skype versions after installation of the classic version. http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-full Regards, Marten On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 16:32:53 -0000 "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io"<bglists@...> wrote: I've never had it force an update on windows 7. it always asks to which I say politely no thanks. I'm not sure how one gets the old version. However there does seem to have been a long history with Skype mucking it up on every update they do. I hardly ever use it these days personally, but for many years the tendency to hi jack the audio settings and not put them back afterwards seemed rather draconian to me. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich De Steno"<ironrock@...> To:<nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2018 5:42 AM Subject: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! I have used NVDA successfully with Skype for many years. Suddenly, tonight, on my Windows 7 laptop, when I entered Skype, a new version was forcibly installed, something like Version 8.1.2, and it presented me with an interface that I could not comprehend with NVDA. None of the shortcut keys that I previously used would work. I received a call from a friend right after this forced installation and could not answer it, because the usual alt-PageUp key combo for answering a call was useless, as were all other previous shortcut keys. What is the solution to this problem. I totally uninstalled Skype for now. Do we give up on Skype as NVDA users, or install a different version or perhaps some other chat program? -- Rich De Steno -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 -- Rich De Steno -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401
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The Gamages #33357 Hello Brian, It's the new law, if it works, change it, [smile]. Best Regards, Jim. toggle quoted message Show quoted text -----Original Message----- From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2018 10:47 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! As a bystander on this, it seems to me that Somebody at Microsoft is wasting loads of peoples time making changes to software that already works. Does anyone have any idea why they would want to keep changing the software? I can only think of a couple and the last time I mentioned it here I was jumped on. grin. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2018 4:50 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Hi, To answer calls via Skype universal app, once a call arrives, press Windows+V, then press Enter to answer. The list of shortcut keys for Skype universal app can be found at: https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA12025/what-are-hotkeys-and-how-do-i-use-them-in-skype?q=How+do+i+set+my+hotkeys+on+Skype+Windows+10%3F Cheers, Joseph -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Isige Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 8:32 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Really? Do we have a full list anywhere? I called the Microsoft disability thingy and asked about documentation for the new skype, and they never got back to me. That suggests it either doesn't exist, or they're super lazy. Nice folks though. I stopped using it because, like another poster, I couldn't figure out how to answer calls and such, plus it seems like it needed to be open to really do anything with it, and it wouldn't minimize to the system tray or such. It was also slow, e.g. at bringing up conversations, and it didn't seem to read them very well. It tended to read multiple messages when you arrowed around. I freely admit part of this might be my inability to use it, which is why I asked for documentation from Microsoft. But all the documentation I can find seems to be for the old skype. I got tired of messing with it and went back to old skype. On 1/6/2018 21:12, Joseph Lee wrote: Hi, Skype universal app does have shortcut keys, such as Alt+1 to go to conversations, Alt+2 for contacts, Alt+3 for bots and so on). Cheers, Joseph -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 6:56 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! That's such a slugish and obnoxious way to navigate a programme, really. Come on Microsoft. -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Isige Sent: January 6, 2018 9:52 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! In the new Windows app thing? Sure. In fact I think it's the only way to use it really. On 1/6/2018 20:28, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote: Can you still tab around Skype like normal, though? I'm curious, because I've never really used keyboard shortcuts. Just menus and tabbing between options. On 7/01/2018 1:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: Awesome. It's gone. Thanks. I'll go install the classic version here in a bit. On 1/6/2018 9:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: OK, I didn't think it worked that way for universal apps. I'll give it a try. On 1/6/2018 8:58 PM, Rich De Steno wrote: The same way you uninstall any program: Press your Windows key and type remove Arrow down to "Add and Remove Programs and press Enter Arrow down to Skype in the list of programs Press your applications key and arrow down to remove and press Enter On 1/6/2018 7:38 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: So then, I guess my next question would be how to uninstall the universal version within Windows 10. I guess Google's to the rescue. LOL! On 1/6/2018 6:49 PM, iván Novegil wrote: Yes, installer downloaded from both links works with windows10. Skype forces to use Universal app only in 8.x. I could install 7.x (version downloadable from the two links sent) in Win10 without problems some weeks ago. Regards. Iván Novegil Cancelas Editor ivan.novegil@... Comunidad hispanohablante de NVDA \| Proyecto NVDA.es -www.NVDA.es Usuario do NVDA en galego *Note que a anterior mensaxe e/ou os seus adxuntos pode conter información privada ou confidencial. O emprego da información desta mensaxe e/ou dos seus adxuntos está reservado ao ámbito privado do destinatario agás autorización do remitente. Se recibiu esta mensaxe por erro comuníqueo por esta mesma vía e destrúa a mensaxe.* O 06/01/2018 á(s) 23:54, Christopher-Mark Gilland escribiu: Wow! Thank you for this link. Will this work with Windows 10 as well? I'm not much a fan of the Universal app version of Skype. Don't get me wrong. It's O... Kayyyy, but, I definitely don't prefer it. I don't have all the issue with Skype that a lot of people seem to have, in fact, I personally enjoy using it, so if I can get that Universal version uninstalled in Windows 10, and get rid of the classic version, that would be fantastic! On 1/6/2018 11:39 AM, Marten Post Uiterweer wrote: Rich, Remove your current skype installation and install the skype classic version from this link: If you do not remove the old installation, you will get two skype versions after installation of the classic version. http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-full Regards, Marten On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 16:32:53 -0000 "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io"<bglists@...> wrote: I've never had it force an update on windows 7. it always asks to which I say politely no thanks. I'm not sure how one gets the old version. However there does seem to have been a long history with Skype mucking it up on every update they do. I hardly ever use it these days personally, but for many years the tendency to hi jack the audio settings and not put them back afterwards seemed rather draconian to me. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich De Steno"<ironrock@...> To:<nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2018 5:42 AM Subject: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! I have used NVDA successfully with Skype for many years. Suddenly, tonight, on my Windows 7 laptop, when I entered Skype, a new version was forcibly installed, something like Version 8.1.2, and it presented me with an interface that I could not comprehend with NVDA. None of the shortcut keys that I previously used would work. I received a call from a friend right after this forced installation and could not answer it, because the usual alt-PageUp key combo for answering a call was useless, as were all other previous shortcut keys. What is the solution to this problem. I totally uninstalled Skype for now. Do we give up on Skype as NVDA users, or install a different version or perhaps some other chat program? -- Rich De Steno -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 -- Rich De Steno -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401
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Sharni-Lee Ward #33360 I'm so glad there's an option for me, but I'm also really sad. I usually save the conversations I have with my friend via text chat, and now I've lost the last couple months worth of conversations because of this change, as they will not be in the classic version when I reinstall. But Skype is unuseable to me like this and that's just as bad. toggle quoted message Show quoted text On 7/01/2018 3:39 AM, Marten Post Uiterweer wrote: Rich, Remove your current skype installation and install the skype classic version from this link: If you do not remove the old installation, you will get two skype versions after installation of the classic version. http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-full Regards, Marten On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 16:32:53 -0000 "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io" <bglists@...> wrote: I've never had it force an update on windows 7. it always asks to which I say politely no thanks. I'm not sure how one gets the old version. However there does seem to have been a long history with Skype mucking it up on every update they do. I hardly ever use it these days personally, but for many years the tendency to hi jack the audio settings and not put them back afterwards seemed rather draconian to me. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich De Steno" <ironrock@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2018 5:42 AM Subject: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! I have used NVDA successfully with Skype for many years. Suddenly, tonight, on my Windows 7 laptop, when I entered Skype, a new version was forcibly installed, something like Version 8.1.2, and it presented me with an interface that I could not comprehend with NVDA. None of the shortcut keys that I previously used would work. I received a call from a friend right after this forced installation and could not answer it, because the usual alt-PageUp key combo for answering a call was useless, as were all other previous shortcut keys. What is the solution to this problem. I totally uninstalled Skype for now. Do we give up on Skype as NVDA users, or install a different version or perhaps some other chat program? -- Rich De Steno
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Sharni-Lee Ward #33361 I just tried installing the classic file, and all I got was the new thing! I don't know what I did wrong! toggle quoted message Show quoted text On 8/01/2018 3:09 AM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote: I'm so glad there's an option for me, but I'm also really sad. I usually save the conversations I have with my friend via text chat, and now I've lost the last couple months worth of conversations because of this change, as they will not be in the classic version when I reinstall. But Skype is unuseable to me like this and that's just as bad. On 7/01/2018 3:39 AM, Marten Post Uiterweer wrote: Rich, Remove your current skype installation and install the skype classic version from this link: If you do not remove the old installation, you will get two skype versions after installation of the classic version. http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-full Regards, Marten On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 16:32:53 -0000 "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io" <bglists@...> wrote: I've never had it force an update on windows 7. it always asks to which I say politely no thanks. I'm not sure how one gets the old version. However there does seem to have been a long history with Skype mucking it up on every update they do. I hardly ever use it these days personally, but for many years the tendency to hi jack the audio settings and not put them back afterwards seemed rather draconian to me. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich De Steno" <ironrock@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2018 5:42 AM Subject: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! I have used NVDA successfully with Skype for many years. Suddenly, tonight, on my Windows 7 laptop, when I entered Skype, a new version was forcibly installed, something like Version 8.1.2, and it presented me with an interface that I could not comprehend with NVDA. None of the shortcut keys that I previously used would work. I received a call from a friend right after this forced installation and could not answer it, because the usual alt-PageUp key combo for answering a call was useless, as were all other previous shortcut keys. What is the solution to this problem. I totally uninstalled Skype for now. Do we give up on Skype as NVDA users, or install a different version or perhaps some other chat program? -- Rich De Steno
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Ann Byrne <annakb@...> #33362 Is Skype Classic called Skype Classic, or something else? Where do I find it? thx toggle quoted message Show quoted text At 10:09 AM 1/7/2018, you wrote: I'm so glad there's an option for me, but I'm also really sad. I usually save the conversations I have with my friend via text chat, and now I've lost the last couple months worth of conversations because of this change, as they will not be in the classic version when I reinstall. But Skype is unuseable to me like this and that's just as bad. On 7/01/2018 3:39 AM, Marten Post Uiterweer wrote: Rich, Remove your current skype installation and install the skype classic version from this link: If you do not remove the old installation, you will get two skype versions after installation of the classic version. http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-full Regards, Marten On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 16:32:53 -0000 "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io" <bglists@...> wrote: I've never had it force an update on windows 7. it always asks to which I say politely no thanks. I'm not sure how one gets the old version. However there does seem to have been a long history with Skype mucking it up on every update they do. I hardly ever use it these days personally, but for many years the tendency to hi jack the audio settings and not put them back afterwards seemed rather draconian to me. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich De Steno" <ironrock@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2018 5:42 AM Subject: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! I have used NVDA successfully with Skype for many years. Suddenly, tonight, on my Windows 7 laptop, when I entered Skype, a new version was forcibly installed, something like Version 8.1.2, and it presented me with an interface that I could not comprehend with NVDA. None of the shortcut keys that I previously used would work. I received a call from a friend right after this forced installation and could not answer it, because the usual alt-PageUp key combo for answering a call was useless, as were all other previous shortcut keys. What is the solution to this problem. I totally uninstalled Skype for now. Do we give up on Skype as NVDA users, or install a different version or perhaps some other chat program? -- Rich De Steno
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Jason White #33364 I understand that Skype have moved to new protocols. There may be architectural reasons why Microsoft decided to redesign it, and they decided to update/modernize the user interface along the way. I found a forum post, apparently from Microsoft, stating that the "classic" version will be deprecated soon. If you're encountering accessibility issues with the Windows 10 version, I would suggest notifying Microsoft, since the older version may at some point soon no longer be updated or supported. toggle quoted message Show quoted text -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rich De Steno Sent: Sunday, January 7, 2018 6:28 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Because the world is comprised primarily of sighted people who crave visual stimulation. Accessibility of programs and devices to those without eyesight is a distant second consideration. That is primarily why Skype was dramatically changed to its current incarnation. It is a visual gold mine! Rich De Steno On 1/7/2018 5:47 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote: As a bystander on this, it seems to me that Somebody at Microsoft is wasting loads of peoples time making changes to software that already works. Does anyone have any idea why they would want to keep changing the software? I can only think of a couple and the last time I mentioned it here I was jumped on. grin. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2018 4:50 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Hi, To answer calls via Skype universal app, once a call arrives, press Windows+V, then press Enter to answer. The list of shortcut keys for Skype universal app can be found at: https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA12025/what-are-hotkeys-and-how-do-i -use-them-in-skype?q=How+do+i+set+my+hotkeys+on+Skype+Windows+10%3F Cheers, Joseph -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Isige Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 8:32 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Really? Do we have a full list anywhere? I called the Microsoft disability thingy and asked about documentation for the new skype, and they never got back to me. That suggests it either doesn't exist, or they're super lazy. Nice folks though. I stopped using it because, like another poster, I couldn't figure out how to answer calls and such, plus it seems like it needed to be open to really do anything with it, and it wouldn't minimize to the system tray or such. It was also slow, e.g. at bringing up conversations, and it didn't seem to read them very well. It tended to read multiple messages when you arrowed around. I freely admit part of this might be my inability to use it, which is why I asked for documentation from Microsoft. But all the documentation I can find seems to be for the old skype. I got tired of messing with it and went back to old skype. On 1/6/2018 21:12, Joseph Lee wrote: Hi, Skype universal app does have shortcut keys, such as Alt+1 to go to conversations, Alt+2 for contacts, Alt+3 for bots and so on). Cheers, Joseph -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 6:56 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! That's such a slugish and obnoxious way to navigate a programme, really. Come on Microsoft. -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Isige Sent: January 6, 2018 9:52 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! In the new Windows app thing? Sure. In fact I think it's the only way to use it really. On 1/6/2018 20:28, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote: Can you still tab around Skype like normal, though? I'm curious, because I've never really used keyboard shortcuts. Just menus and tabbing between options. On 7/01/2018 1:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: Awesome. It's gone. Thanks. I'll go install the classic version here in a bit. On 1/6/2018 9:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: OK, I didn't think it worked that way for universal apps. I'll give it a try. On 1/6/2018 8:58 PM, Rich De Steno wrote: The same way you uninstall any program: Press your Windows key and type remove Arrow down to "Add and Remove Programs and press Enter Arrow down to Skype in the list of programs Press your applications key and arrow down to remove and press Enter On 1/6/2018 7:38 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: So then, I guess my next question would be how to uninstall the universal version within Windows 10. I guess Google's to the rescue. LOL! On 1/6/2018 6:49 PM, iván Novegil wrote: Yes, installer downloaded from both links works with windows10. Skype forces to use Universal app only in 8.x. I could install 7.x (version downloadable from the two links sent) in Win10 without problems some weeks ago. Regards. Iván Novegil Cancelas Editor ivan.novegil@... Comunidad hispanohablante de NVDA \| Proyecto NVDA.es -www.NVDA.es Usuario do NVDA en galego *Note que a anterior mensaxe e/ou os seus adxuntos pode conter información privada ou confidencial. O emprego da información desta mensaxe e/ou dos seus adxuntos está reservado ao ámbito privado do destinatario agás autorización do remitente. Se recibiu esta mensaxe por erro comuníqueo por esta mesma vía e destrúa a mensaxe.* O 06/01/2018 á(s) 23:54, Christopher-Mark Gilland escribiu: Wow! Thank you for this link. Will this work with Windows 10 as well? I'm not much a fan of the Universal app version of Skype. Don't get me wrong. It's O... Kayyyy, but, I definitely don't prefer it. I don't have all the issue with Skype that a lot of people seem to have, in fact, I personally enjoy using it, so if I can get that Universal version uninstalled in Windows 10, and get rid of the classic version, that would be fantastic! On 1/6/2018 11:39 AM, Marten Post Uiterweer wrote: Rich, Remove your current skype installation and install the skype classic version from this link: If you do not remove the old installation, you will get two skype versions after installation of the classic version. http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-full Regards, Marten On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 16:32:53 -0000 "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io"<bglists@...> wrote: I've never had it force an update on windows 7. it always asks to which I say politely no thanks. I'm not sure how one gets the old version. However there does seem to have been a long history with Skype mucking it up on every update they do. I hardly ever use it these days personally, but for many years the tendency to hi jack the audio settings and not put them back afterwards seemed rather draconian to me. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich De Steno"<ironrock@...> To:<nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2018 5:42 AM Subject: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! I have used NVDA successfully with Skype for many years. Suddenly, tonight, on my Windows 7 laptop, when I entered Skype, a new version was forcibly installed, something like Version 8.1.2, and it presented me with an interface that I could not comprehend with NVDA. None of the shortcut keys that I previously used would work. I received a call from a friend right after this forced installation and could not answer it, because the usual alt-PageUp key combo for answering a call was useless, as were all other previous shortcut keys. What is the solution to this problem. I totally uninstalled Skype for now. Do we give up on Skype as NVDA users, or install a different version or perhaps some other chat program? -- Rich De Steno -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 -- Rich De Steno -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401
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Sharni-Lee Ward #33365 I uninstalled again and restarted the computer, but there's still a Skype folder in appdata roaming. Should I delete that before attempting to reinstall? toggle quoted message Show quoted text On 8/01/2018 3:30 AM, Jason White via Groups.Io wrote: I understand that Skype have moved to new protocols. There may be architectural reasons why Microsoft decided to redesign it, and they decided to update/modernize the user interface along the way. I found a forum post, apparently from Microsoft, stating that the "classic" version will be deprecated soon. If you're encountering accessibility issues with the Windows 10 version, I would suggest notifying Microsoft, since the older version may at some point soon no longer be updated or supported. -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rich De Steno Sent: Sunday, January 7, 2018 6:28 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Because the world is comprised primarily of sighted people who crave visual stimulation. Accessibility of programs and devices to those without eyesight is a distant second consideration. That is primarily why Skype was dramatically changed to its current incarnation. It is a visual gold mine! Rich De Steno On 1/7/2018 5:47 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote: As a bystander on this, it seems to me that Somebody at Microsoft is wasting loads of peoples time making changes to software that already works. Does anyone have any idea why they would want to keep changing the software? I can only think of a couple and the last time I mentioned it here I was jumped on. grin. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2018 4:50 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Hi, To answer calls via Skype universal app, once a call arrives, press Windows+V, then press Enter to answer. The list of shortcut keys for Skype universal app can be found at: https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA12025/what-are-hotkeys-and-how-do-i -use-them-in-skype?q=How+do+i+set+my+hotkeys+on+Skype+Windows+10%3F Cheers, Joseph -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Isige Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 8:32 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Really? Do we have a full list anywhere? I called the Microsoft disability thingy and asked about documentation for the new skype, and they never got back to me. That suggests it either doesn't exist, or they're super lazy. Nice folks though. I stopped using it because, like another poster, I couldn't figure out how to answer calls and such, plus it seems like it needed to be open to really do anything with it, and it wouldn't minimize to the system tray or such. It was also slow, e.g. at bringing up conversations, and it didn't seem to read them very well. It tended to read multiple messages when you arrowed around. I freely admit part of this might be my inability to use it, which is why I asked for documentation from Microsoft. But all the documentation I can find seems to be for the old skype. I got tired of messing with it and went back to old skype. On 1/6/2018 21:12, Joseph Lee wrote: Hi, Skype universal app does have shortcut keys, such as Alt+1 to go to conversations, Alt+2 for contacts, Alt+3 for bots and so on). Cheers, Joseph -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 6:56 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! That's such a slugish and obnoxious way to navigate a programme, really. Come on Microsoft. -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Isige Sent: January 6, 2018 9:52 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! In the new Windows app thing? Sure. In fact I think it's the only way to use it really. On 1/6/2018 20:28, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote: Can you still tab around Skype like normal, though? I'm curious, because I've never really used keyboard shortcuts. Just menus and tabbing between options. On 7/01/2018 1:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: Awesome. It's gone. Thanks. I'll go install the classic version here in a bit. On 1/6/2018 9:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: OK, I didn't think it worked that way for universal apps. I'll give it a try. On 1/6/2018 8:58 PM, Rich De Steno wrote: The same way you uninstall any program: Press your Windows key and type remove Arrow down to "Add and Remove Programs and press Enter Arrow down to Skype in the list of programs Press your applications key and arrow down to remove and press Enter On 1/6/2018 7:38 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: So then, I guess my next question would be how to uninstall the universal version within Windows 10. I guess Google's to the rescue. LOL! On 1/6/2018 6:49 PM, iván Novegil wrote: Yes, installer downloaded from both links works with windows10. Skype forces to use Universal app only in 8.x. I could install 7.x (version downloadable from the two links sent) in Win10 without problems some weeks ago. Regards. Iván Novegil Cancelas Editor ivan.novegil@... Comunidad hispanohablante de NVDA \| Proyecto NVDA.es -www.NVDA.es Usuario do NVDA en galego *Note que a anterior mensaxe e/ou os seus adxuntos pode conter información privada ou confidencial. O emprego da información desta mensaxe e/ou dos seus adxuntos está reservado ao ámbito privado do destinatario agás autorización do remitente. Se recibiu esta mensaxe por erro comuníqueo por esta mesma vía e destrúa a mensaxe.* O 06/01/2018 á(s) 23:54, Christopher-Mark Gilland escribiu: Wow! Thank you for this link. Will this work with Windows 10 as well? I'm not much a fan of the Universal app version of Skype. Don't get me wrong. It's O... Kayyyy, but, I definitely don't prefer it. I don't have all the issue with Skype that a lot of people seem to have, in fact, I personally enjoy using it, so if I can get that Universal version uninstalled in Windows 10, and get rid of the classic version, that would be fantastic! On 1/6/2018 11:39 AM, Marten Post Uiterweer wrote: Rich, Remove your current skype installation and install the skype classic version from this link: If you do not remove the old installation, you will get two skype versions after installation of the classic version. http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-full Regards, Marten On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 16:32:53 -0000 "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io"<bglists@...> wrote: I've never had it force an update on windows 7. it always asks to which I say politely no thanks. I'm not sure how one gets the old version. However there does seem to have been a long history with Skype mucking it up on every update they do. I hardly ever use it these days personally, but for many years the tendency to hi jack the audio settings and not put them back afterwards seemed rather draconian to me. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich De Steno"<ironrock@...> To:<nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2018 5:42 AM Subject: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! I have used NVDA successfully with Skype for many years. Suddenly, tonight, on my Windows 7 laptop, when I entered Skype, a new version was forcibly installed, something like Version 8.1.2, and it presented me with an interface that I could not comprehend with NVDA. None of the shortcut keys that I previously used would work. I received a call from a friend right after this forced installation and could not answer it, because the usual alt-PageUp key combo for answering a call was useless, as were all other previous shortcut keys. What is the solution to this problem. I totally uninstalled Skype for now. Do we give up on Skype as NVDA users, or install a different version or perhaps some other chat program? -- Rich De Steno -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 -- Rich De Steno -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401
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Joseph Lee #33366 Hi, As far as NVDA side goes, send me feedback as soon as possible. To whoever asked about NVDA add-on for Skype universal app, this is part of Windows 10 App Essentials add-on (mine, way before JAWS scripts came along). I do know the person who wrote the JAWS scripts and plan to ask him for collaboration. Also, for those watching GitHub, expect to see a pull request regarding Skype universal app in a few days. Cheers, Joseph toggle quoted message Show quoted text -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jason White via Groups.Io Sent: Sunday, January 7, 2018 8:31 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! I understand that Skype have moved to new protocols. There may be architectural reasons why Microsoft decided to redesign it, and they decided to update/modernize the user interface along the way. I found a forum post, apparently from Microsoft, stating that the "classic" version will be deprecated soon. If you're encountering accessibility issues with the Windows 10 version, I would suggest notifying Microsoft, since the older version may at some point soon no longer be updated or supported. -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rich De Steno Sent: Sunday, January 7, 2018 6:28 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Because the world is comprised primarily of sighted people who crave visual stimulation. Accessibility of programs and devices to those without eyesight is a distant second consideration. That is primarily why Skype was dramatically changed to its current incarnation. It is a visual gold mine! Rich De Steno On 1/7/2018 5:47 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote: As a bystander on this, it seems to me that Somebody at Microsoft is wasting loads of peoples time making changes to software that already works. Does anyone have any idea why they would want to keep changing the software? I can only think of a couple and the last time I mentioned it here I was jumped on. grin. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2018 4:50 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Hi, To answer calls via Skype universal app, once a call arrives, press Windows+V, then press Enter to answer. The list of shortcut keys for Skype universal app can be found at: https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA12025/what-are-hotkeys-and-how-do-i -use-them-in-skype?q=How+do+i+set+my+hotkeys+on+Skype+Windows+10%3F Cheers, Joseph -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Isige Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 8:32 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Really? Do we have a full list anywhere? I called the Microsoft disability thingy and asked about documentation for the new skype, and they never got back to me. That suggests it either doesn't exist, or they're super lazy. Nice folks though. I stopped using it because, like another poster, I couldn't figure out how to answer calls and such, plus it seems like it needed to be open to really do anything with it, and it wouldn't minimize to the system tray or such. It was also slow, e.g. at bringing up conversations, and it didn't seem to read them very well. It tended to read multiple messages when you arrowed around. I freely admit part of this might be my inability to use it, which is why I asked for documentation from Microsoft. But all the documentation I can find seems to be for the old skype. I got tired of messing with it and went back to old skype. On 1/6/2018 21:12, Joseph Lee wrote: Hi, Skype universal app does have shortcut keys, such as Alt+1 to go to conversations, Alt+2 for contacts, Alt+3 for bots and so on). Cheers, Joseph -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 6:56 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! That's such a slugish and obnoxious way to navigate a programme, really. Come on Microsoft. -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Isige Sent: January 6, 2018 9:52 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! In the new Windows app thing? Sure. In fact I think it's the only way to use it really. On 1/6/2018 20:28, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote: Can you still tab around Skype like normal, though? I'm curious, because I've never really used keyboard shortcuts. Just menus and tabbing between options. On 7/01/2018 1:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: Awesome. It's gone. Thanks. I'll go install the classic version here in a bit. On 1/6/2018 9:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: OK, I didn't think it worked that way for universal apps. I'll give it a try. On 1/6/2018 8:58 PM, Rich De Steno wrote: The same way you uninstall any program: Press your Windows key and type remove Arrow down to "Add and Remove Programs and press Enter Arrow down to Skype in the list of programs Press your applications key and arrow down to remove and press Enter On 1/6/2018 7:38 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: So then, I guess my next question would be how to uninstall the universal version within Windows 10. I guess Google's to the rescue. LOL! On 1/6/2018 6:49 PM, iván Novegil wrote: Yes, installer downloaded from both links works with windows10. Skype forces to use Universal app only in 8.x. I could install 7.x (version downloadable from the two links sent) in Win10 without problems some weeks ago. Regards. Iván Novegil Cancelas Editor ivan.novegil@... Comunidad hispanohablante de NVDA \| Proyecto NVDA.es -www.NVDA.es Usuario do NVDA en galego *Note que a anterior mensaxe e/ou os seus adxuntos pode conter información privada ou confidencial. O emprego da información desta mensaxe e/ou dos seus adxuntos está reservado ao ámbito privado do destinatario agás autorización do remitente. Se recibiu esta mensaxe por erro comuníqueo por esta mesma vía e destrúa a mensaxe.* O 06/01/2018 á(s) 23:54, Christopher-Mark Gilland escribiu: Wow! Thank you for this link. Will this work with Windows 10 as well? I'm not much a fan of the Universal app version of Skype. Don't get me wrong. It's O... Kayyyy, but, I definitely don't prefer it. I don't have all the issue with Skype that a lot of people seem to have, in fact, I personally enjoy using it, so if I can get that Universal version uninstalled in Windows 10, and get rid of the classic version, that would be fantastic! On 1/6/2018 11:39 AM, Marten Post Uiterweer wrote: Rich, Remove your current skype installation and install the skype classic version from this link: If you do not remove the old installation, you will get two skype versions after installation of the classic version. http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-full Regards, Marten On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 16:32:53 -0000 "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io"<bglists@...> wrote: I've never had it force an update on windows 7. it always asks to which I say politely no thanks. I'm not sure how one gets the old version. However there does seem to have been a long history with Skype mucking it up on every update they do. I hardly ever use it these days personally, but for many years the tendency to hi jack the audio settings and not put them back afterwards seemed rather draconian to me. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich De Steno"<ironrock@...> To:<nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2018 5:42 AM Subject: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! I have used NVDA successfully with Skype for many years. Suddenly, tonight, on my Windows 7 laptop, when I entered Skype, a new version was forcibly installed, something like Version 8.1.2, and it presented me with an interface that I could not comprehend with NVDA. None of the shortcut keys that I previously used would work. I received a call from a friend right after this forced installation and could not answer it, because the usual alt-PageUp key combo for answering a call was useless, as were all other previous shortcut keys. What is the solution to this problem. I totally uninstalled Skype for now. Do we give up on Skype as NVDA users, or install a different version or perhaps some other chat program? -- Rich De Steno -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 -- Rich De Steno -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401
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Sharni-Lee Ward #33367 NVM, got it sorted, finally. It still gave me an update popup but I told it "Not Now" and then turned off automatic updates in the options. I was worried I'd never get my comfortable Skype space back... toggle quoted message Show quoted text On 8/01/2018 3:38 AM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote: I uninstalled again and restarted the computer, but there's still a Skype folder in appdata roaming. Should I delete that before attempting to reinstall? On 8/01/2018 3:30 AM, Jason White via Groups.Io wrote: I understand that Skype have moved to new protocols. There may be architectural reasons why Microsoft decided to redesign it, and they decided to update/modernize the user interface along the way. I found a forum post, apparently from Microsoft, stating that the "classic" version will be deprecated soon. If you're encountering accessibility issues with the Windows 10 version, I would suggest notifying Microsoft, since the older version may at some point soon no longer be updated or supported. -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rich De Steno Sent: Sunday, January 7, 2018 6:28 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Because the world is comprised primarily of sighted people who crave visual stimulation. Accessibility of programs and devices to those without eyesight is a distant second consideration. That is primarily why Skype was dramatically changed to its current incarnation. It is a visual gold mine! Rich De Steno On 1/7/2018 5:47 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote: As a bystander on this, it seems to me that Somebody at Microsoft is wasting loads of peoples time making changes to software that already works. Does anyone have any idea why they would want to keep changing the software? I can only think of a couple and the last time I mentioned it here I was jumped on. grin. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2018 4:50 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Hi, To answer calls via Skype universal app, once a call arrives, press Windows+V, then press Enter to answer. The list of shortcut keys for Skype universal app can be found at: https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA12025/what-are-hotkeys-and-how-do-i -use-them-in-skype?q=How+do+i+set+my+hotkeys+on+Skype+Windows+10%3F Cheers, Joseph -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Isige Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 8:32 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Really? Do we have a full list anywhere? I called the Microsoft disability thingy and asked about documentation for the new skype, and they never got back to me. That suggests it either doesn't exist, or they're super lazy. Nice folks though. I stopped using it because, like another poster, I couldn't figure out how to answer calls and such, plus it seems like it needed to be open to really do anything with it, and it wouldn't minimize to the system tray or such. It was also slow, e.g. at bringing up conversations, and it didn't seem to read them very well. It tended to read multiple messages when you arrowed around. I freely admit part of this might be my inability to use it, which is why I asked for documentation from Microsoft. But all the documentation I can find seems to be for the old skype. I got tired of messing with it and went back to old skype. On 1/6/2018 21:12, Joseph Lee wrote: Hi, Skype universal app does have shortcut keys, such as Alt+1 to go to conversations, Alt+2 for contacts, Alt+3 for bots and so on). Cheers, Joseph -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 6:56 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! That's such a slugish and obnoxious way to navigate a programme, really. Come on Microsoft. -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Isige Sent: January 6, 2018 9:52 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! In the new Windows app thing? Sure. In fact I think it's the only way to use it really. On 1/6/2018 20:28, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote: Can you still tab around Skype like normal, though? I'm curious, because I've never really used keyboard shortcuts. Just menus and tabbing between options. On 7/01/2018 1:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: Awesome. It's gone. Thanks. I'll go install the classic version here in a bit. On 1/6/2018 9:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: OK, I didn't think it worked that way for universal apps. I'll give it a try. On 1/6/2018 8:58 PM, Rich De Steno wrote: The same way you uninstall any program: Press your Windows key and type remove Arrow down to "Add and Remove Programs and press Enter Arrow down to Skype in the list of programs Press your applications key and arrow down to remove and press Enter On 1/6/2018 7:38 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: So then, I guess my next question would be how to uninstall the universal version within Windows 10. I guess Google's to the rescue. LOL! On 1/6/2018 6:49 PM, iván Novegil wrote: Yes, installer downloaded from both links works with windows10. Skype forces to use Universal app only in 8.x. I could install 7.x (version downloadable from the two links sent) in Win10 without problems some weeks ago. Regards. Iván Novegil Cancelas Editor ivan.novegil@... Comunidad hispanohablante de NVDA \| Proyecto NVDA.es -www.NVDA.es Usuario do NVDA en galego *Note que a anterior mensaxe e/ou os seus adxuntos pode conter información privada ou confidencial. O emprego da información desta mensaxe e/ou dos seus adxuntos está reservado ao ámbito privado do destinatario agás autorización do remitente. Se recibiu esta mensaxe por erro comuníqueo por esta mesma vía e destrúa a mensaxe.* O 06/01/2018 á(s) 23:54, Christopher-Mark Gilland escribiu: Wow! Thank you for this link. Will this work with Windows 10 as well? I'm not much a fan of the Universal app version of Skype. Don't get me wrong. It's O... Kayyyy, but, I definitely don't prefer it. I don't have all the issue with Skype that a lot of people seem to have, in fact, I personally enjoy using it, so if I can get that Universal version uninstalled in Windows 10, and get rid of the classic version, that would be fantastic! On 1/6/2018 11:39 AM, Marten Post Uiterweer wrote: Rich, Remove your current skype installation and install the skype classic version from this link: If you do not remove the old installation, you will get two skype versions after installation of the classic version. http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-full Regards, Marten On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 16:32:53 -0000 "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io"<bglists@...> wrote: I've never had it force an update on windows 7. it always asks to which I say politely no thanks. I'm not sure how one gets the old version. However there does seem to have been a long history with Skype mucking it up on every update they do. I hardly ever use it these days personally, but for many years the tendency to hi jack the audio settings and not put them back afterwards seemed rather draconian to me. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich De Steno"<ironrock@...> To:<nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2018 5:42 AM Subject: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! I have used NVDA successfully with Skype for many years. Suddenly, tonight, on my Windows 7 laptop, when I entered Skype, a new version was forcibly installed, something like Version 8.1.2, and it presented me with an interface that I could not comprehend with NVDA. None of the shortcut keys that I previously used would work. I received a call from a friend right after this forced installation and could not answer it, because the usual alt-PageUp key combo for answering a call was useless, as were all other previous shortcut keys. What is the solution to this problem. I totally uninstalled Skype for now. Do we give up on Skype as NVDA users, or install a different version or perhaps some other chat program? -- Rich De Steno -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 -- Rich De Steno -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401
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Karim Lakhani <karim.lakhani@...> #33368 That is awesome that MS. tells they are making software accessible, this has been going on for a long time. Only some departments are able to create what ever they want, but skype is a visual APP.? The scare was always as soon as MS. bought out skype we the blind were in a big fight as usual. I'm glad we have people on lists that keep reporting these issues. I don't have the energy to continue to tell people they are breaking the law, but when there is no enforcement of rules it's useless! EMAIL:karim.lakhani@... $$$$ SKYPE: goldenace4 $$$$ Your reputation is in the hands of others. That's what a reputation is. You can't control that. The only thing you can control is your character. - Wayne Walter Dyer (1940-) toggle quoted message Show quoted text -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rich De Steno Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2018 4:28 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Because the world is comprised primarily of sighted people who crave visual stimulation. Accessibility of programs and devices to those without eyesight is a distant second consideration. That is primarily why Skype was dramatically changed to its current incarnation. It is a visual gold mine! Rich De Steno On 1/7/2018 5:47 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote: As a bystander on this, it seems to me that Somebody at Microsoft is wasting loads of peoples time making changes to software that already works. Does anyone have any idea why they would want to keep changing the software? I can only think of a couple and the last time I mentioned it here I was jumped on. grin. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2018 4:50 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Hi, To answer calls via Skype universal app, once a call arrives, press Windows+V, then press Enter to answer. The list of shortcut keys for Skype universal app can be found at: https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA12025/what-are-hotkeys-and-how-do-i -use-them-in-skype?q=How+do+i+set+my+hotkeys+on+Skype+Windows+10%3F Cheers, Joseph -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Isige Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 8:32 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Really? Do we have a full list anywhere? I called the Microsoft disability thingy and asked about documentation for the new skype, and they never got back to me. That suggests it either doesn't exist, or they're super lazy. Nice folks though. I stopped using it because, like another poster, I couldn't figure out how to answer calls and such, plus it seems like it needed to be open to really do anything with it, and it wouldn't minimize to the system tray or such. It was also slow, e.g. at bringing up conversations, and it didn't seem to read them very well. It tended to read multiple messages when you arrowed around. I freely admit part of this might be my inability to use it, which is why I asked for documentation from Microsoft. But all the documentation I can find seems to be for the old skype. I got tired of messing with it and went back to old skype. On 1/6/2018 21:12, Joseph Lee wrote: Hi, Skype universal app does have shortcut keys, such as Alt+1 to go to conversations, Alt+2 for contacts, Alt+3 for bots and so on). Cheers, Joseph -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 6:56 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! That's such a slugish and obnoxious way to navigate a programme, really. Come on Microsoft. -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Isige Sent: January 6, 2018 9:52 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! In the new Windows app thing? Sure. In fact I think it's the only way to use it really. On 1/6/2018 20:28, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote: Can you still tab around Skype like normal, though? I'm curious, because I've never really used keyboard shortcuts. Just menus and tabbing between options. On 7/01/2018 1:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: Awesome. It's gone. Thanks. I'll go install the classic version here in a bit. On 1/6/2018 9:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: OK, I didn't think it worked that way for universal apps. I'll give it a try. On 1/6/2018 8:58 PM, Rich De Steno wrote: The same way you uninstall any program: Press your Windows key and type remove Arrow down to "Add and Remove Programs and press Enter Arrow down to Skype in the list of programs Press your applications key and arrow down to remove and press Enter On 1/6/2018 7:38 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: So then, I guess my next question would be how to uninstall the universal version within Windows 10. I guess Google's to the rescue. LOL! On 1/6/2018 6:49 PM, iván Novegil wrote: Yes, installer downloaded from both links works with windows10. Skype forces to use Universal app only in 8.x. I could install 7.x (version downloadable from the two links sent) in Win10 without problems some weeks ago. Regards. Iván Novegil Cancelas Editor ivan.novegil@... Comunidad hispanohablante de NVDA \| Proyecto NVDA.es -www.NVDA.es Usuario do NVDA en galego *Note que a anterior mensaxe e/ou os seus adxuntos pode conter información privada ou confidencial. O emprego da información desta mensaxe e/ou dos seus adxuntos está reservado ao ámbito privado do destinatario agás autorización do remitente. Se recibiu esta mensaxe por erro comuníqueo por esta mesma vía e destrúa a mensaxe.* O 06/01/2018 á(s) 23:54, Christopher-Mark Gilland escribiu: Wow! Thank you for this link. Will this work with Windows 10 as well? I'm not much a fan of the Universal app version of Skype. Don't get me wrong. It's O... Kayyyy, but, I definitely don't prefer it. I don't have all the issue with Skype that a lot of people seem to have, in fact, I personally enjoy using it, so if I can get that Universal version uninstalled in Windows 10, and get rid of the classic version, that would be fantastic! On 1/6/2018 11:39 AM, Marten Post Uiterweer wrote: Rich, Remove your current skype installation and install the skype classic version from this link: If you do not remove the old installation, you will get two skype versions after installation of the classic version. http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-full Regards, Marten On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 16:32:53 -0000 "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io"<bglists@...> wrote: I've never had it force an update on windows 7. it always asks to which I say politely no thanks. I'm not sure how one gets the old version. However there does seem to have been a long history with Skype mucking it up on every update they do. I hardly ever use it these days personally, but for many years the tendency to hi jack the audio settings and not put them back afterwards seemed rather draconian to me. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich De Steno"<ironrock@...> To:<nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2018 5:42 AM Subject: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! I have used NVDA successfully with Skype for many years. Suddenly, tonight, on my Windows 7 laptop, when I entered Skype, a new version was forcibly installed, something like Version 8.1.2, and it presented me with an interface that I could not comprehend with NVDA. None of the shortcut keys that I previously used would work. I received a call from a friend right after this forced installation and could not answer it, because the usual alt-PageUp key combo for answering a call was useless, as were all other previous shortcut keys. What is the solution to this problem. I totally uninstalled Skype for now. Do we give up on Skype as NVDA users, or install a different version or perhaps some other chat program? -- Rich De Steno -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 -- Rich De Steno -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401
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Lino Morales <linomorales001@...> #33371 I use Skype for WIN 10 also. Their is nothing wrong with it. Don't knock it till you try it guys. On 1/6/2018 10:50 PM, David Moore wrote: toggle quoted message Show quoted text I use the universal Skype app all the time. Tabbing three or four times, is not that bad, along with some key commands. I can find what I want quicker than I can with the desktop program. NVDA really works well with the Skype app. That is awesome. Have a great one, guys! Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Joseph Lee Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 10:12 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Hi, Skype universal app does have shortcut keys, such as Alt+1 to go to conversations, Alt+2 for contacts, Alt+3 for bots and so on). Cheers, Joseph -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 6:56 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! That's such a slugish and obnoxious way to navigate a programme, really. Come on Microsoft. -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Isige Sent: January 6, 2018 9:52 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! In the new Windows app thing? Sure. In fact I think it's the only way to use it really. On 1/6/2018 20:28, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote: > > Can you still tab around Skype like normal, though? I'm curious, > because I've never really used keyboard shortcuts. Just menus and > tabbing between options. > > > On 7/01/2018 1:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: >> >> Awesome. It's gone. Thanks. I'll go install the classic version here >> in a bit. >> >> >> On 1/6/2018 9:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: >>> >>> OK, I didn't think it worked that way for universal apps. >>> >>> >>> I'll give it a try. >>> >>> >>> On 1/6/2018 8:58 PM, Rich De Steno wrote: >>>> >>>> The same way you uninstall any program: >>>> >>>> Press your Windows key and type remove >>>> >>>> Arrow down to "Add and Remove Programs and press Enter >>>> >>>> Arrow down to Skype in the list of programs >>>> >>>> Press your applications key and arrow down to remove and press >>>> Enter >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 1/6/2018 7:38 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: >>>>> >>>>> So then, I guess my next question would be how to uninstall the >>>>> universal version within Windows 10. I guess Google's to the >>>>> rescue. LOL! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 1/6/2018 6:49 PM, iván Novegil wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes, installer downloaded from both links works with windows10. >>>>>> >>>>>> Skype forces to use Universal app only in 8.x. I could install >>>>>> 7.x (version downloadable from the two links sent) in Win10 >>>>>> without problems some weeks ago. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards. >>>>>> >>>>>> Iván Novegil Cancelas >>>>>> Editor >>>>>> ivan.novegil@... >>>>>> >>>>>> Comunidad hispanohablante de NVDA \| Proyecto NVDA.es -www.NVDA.es >>>>>> >>>>>> Usuario do NVDA en galego >>>>>> >>>>>> *Note que a anterior mensaxe e/ou os seus adxuntos pode conter >>>>>> información privada ou confidencial. O emprego da información desta mensaxe e/ou dos seus adxuntos está reservado ao ámbito privado do destinatario agás autorización do remitente. Se recibiu esta mensaxe por erro comuníqueo por esta mesma vía e destrúa a mensaxe.* O 06/01/2018 á(s) 23:54, Christopher-Mark Gilland escribiu: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Wow! Thank you for this link. Will this work with Windows 10 as >>>>>>> well? I'm not much a fan of the Universal app version of Skype. >>>>>>> Don't get me wrong. It's O... Kayyyy, but, I definitely don't >>>>>>> prefer it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't have all the issue with Skype that a lot of people seem >>>>>>> to have, in fact, I personally enjoy using it, so if I can get >>>>>>> that Universal version uninstalled in Windows 10, and get rid of >>>>>>> the classic version, that would be fantastic! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 1/6/2018 11:39 AM, Marten Post Uiterweer wrote: >>>>>>>> Rich, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Remove your current skype installation and install the skype >>>>>>>> classic version from this link: If you do not remove the old >>>>>>>> installation, you will get two skype versions after installation of the classic version. >>>>>>>> http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-full >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards, Marten >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 16:32:53 -0000 "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io"<bglists@...> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I've never had it force an update on windows 7. it always asks to which I say politely no thanks. >>>>>>>>> I'm not sure how one gets the old version. >>>>>>>>> However there does seem to have been a long history with Skype mucking it up on every update they do. I hardly ever use it these days personally, but for many years the tendency to hi jack the audio settings and not put them back afterwards seemed rather draconian to me. >>>>>>>>> Brian >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> bglists@... >>>>>>>>> Sent via blueyonder. >>>>>>>>> Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., >>>>>>>>> putting 'Brian Gaff' >>>>>>>>> in the display name field. >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich De >>>>>>>>> Steno"<ironrock@...> To:<nvda@nvda.groups.io> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2018 5:42 AM >>>>>>>>> Subject: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have used NVDA successfully with Skype for many years. >>>>>>>>> Suddenly, tonight, on my Windows 7 laptop, when I entered >>>>>>>>> Skype, a new version was forcibly installed, something like >>>>>>>>> Version 8.1.2, and it presented me with an interface that I >>>>>>>>> could not comprehend with NVDA. None of the shortcut keys that >>>>>>>>> I previously used would work. I received a call from a friend >>>>>>>>> right after this forced installation and could not answer it, >>>>>>>>> because the usual alt-PageUp key combo for answering a call >>>>>>>>> was useless, as were all other previous shortcut keys. What is >>>>>>>>> the solution to this problem. I totally uninstalled Skype for >>>>>>>>> now. Do we give up on Skype as NVDA users, or install a different version or perhaps some other chat program? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- Rich De Steno >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Christopher Gilland >>>>>>> Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries >>>>>>> http://www.gshministries.org >>>>>>> (980) 500-9575X401 >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Christopher Gilland >>>>> Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries >>>>> http://www.gshministries.org >>>>> (980) 500-9575X401 >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Rich De Steno >>> >>> -- >>> Christopher Gilland >>> Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries >>> http://www.gshministries.org >>> (980) 500-9575X401 >> >> -- >> Christopher Gilland >> Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries >> http://www.gshministries.org >> (980) 500-9575X401 > >
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Ann Byrne <annakb@...> #33375 What is the universal skype app??? toggle quoted message Show quoted text At 03:03 PM 1/7/2018, you wrote: I use Skype for WIN 10 also. Their is nothing wrong with it. Don't knock it till you try it guys. On 1/6/2018 10:50 PM, David Moore wrote: I use the universal Skype app all the time. Tabbing three or four times, is not that bad, along with some key commands. I can find what I want quicker than I can with the desktop program. NVDA really works well with the Skype app. That is awesome. Have a great one, guys! Sent from <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>Mail for Windows 10 From: <mailto:joseph.lee22590@...>Joseph Lee Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 10:12 PM To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Â Hi, Skype universal app does have shortcut keys, such as Alt+1 to go to conversations, Alt+2 for contacts, Alt+3 for bots and so on). Cheers, Joseph Â -----Original Message----- From: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 6:56 PM To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Â That's such a slugish and obnoxious way to navigate a programme, really. Come on Microsoft. Â Â Â -----Original Message----- From: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Isige Sent: January 6, 2018 9:52 PM To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Â In the new Windows app thing? Sure. In fact I think it's the only way to use it really. Â Â On 1/6/2018 20:28, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote: Â Can you still tab around Skype like normal, though? I'm curious, because I've never really used keyboard shortcuts. Just menus and tabbing between options. Â Â On 7/01/2018 1:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: Â Awesome. It's gone. Thanks. I'll go install the classic version here in a bit. Â Â On 1/6/2018 9:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: Â OK, I didn't think it worked that way for universal apps. Â Â I'll give it a try. Â Â On 1/6/2018 8:58 PM, Rich De Steno wrote: Â The same way you uninstall any program: Â Press your Windows key and type remove Â Arrow down to "Add and Remove Programs and press Enter Â Arrow down to Skype in the list of programs Â Press your applications key and arrow down to remove and press Enter Â Â Â On 1/6/2018 7:38 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: Â So then, I guess my next question would be how to uninstall the universal version within Windows 10. I guess Google's to the rescue. LOL! Â Â On 1/6/2018 6:49 PM, ivÃ¡n Novegil wrote: Â Yes, installer downloaded from both links works with windows10. Â Skype forces to use Universal app only in 8.x. I could install 7.x (version downloadable from the two links sent) in Win10 without problems some weeks ago. Â Â Regards. Â IvÃ¡n Novegil Cancelas Editor <mailto:ivan.novegil@...>ivan.novegil@... Â Comunidad hispanohablante de NVDA \| Proyecto NVDA.es -www.NVDA.es Â Usuario do NVDA en galego Â *Note que a anterior mensaxe e/ou os seus adxuntos pode conter informaciÃ³n privada ou confidencial. O emprego da informaciÃ³n desta mensaxe e/ou dos seus adxuntos estÃ¡ reservado ao Ã¡mbito privado do destinatario agÃ¡s autorizaciÃ³n do remitente. Se recibiu esta mensaxe por erro comunÃqueo por esta mesma vÃa e destrÃºa a mensaxe.* O 06/01/2018 Ã¡(s) 23:54, Christopher-Mark Gilland escribiu: Â Wow! Thank you for this link. Will this work with Windows 10 as well? I'm not much a fan of the Universal app version of Skype. Don't get me wrong. It's O... Kayyyy, but, I definitely don't prefer it. Â Â I don't have all the issue with Skype that a lot of people seem to have, in fact, I personally enjoy using it, so if I can get that Universal version uninstalled in Windows 10, and get rid of the classic version, that would be fantastic! Â Â On 1/6/2018 11:39 AM, Marten Post Uiterweer wrote: Rich, Â Remove your current skype installation and install the skype classic version from this link: If you do not remove the old installation, you will get two skype versions after installation of the classic version. <http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-full>http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-full Â Regards, Marten Â On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 16:32:53 -0000 "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io"<mailto:bglists@...><bglists@...>Â wrote: Â I've never had it force an update on windows 7. it always asks to which I say politely no thanks. Â Â I'm not sure how one gets the old version. However there does seem to have been a long history with Skype mucking it up on every update they do. I hardly ever use it these days personally, but for many years the tendency to hi jack the audio settings and not put them back afterwards seemed rather draconian to me. Â Â Brian Â <mailto:bglists@...>bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- <mailto:briang1@...>briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich De Steno"<mailto:ironrock@...><ironrock@...> To:<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io><nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2018 5:42 AM Subject: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Â Â I have used NVDA successfully with Skype for many years. Suddenly, tonight, on my Windows 7 laptop, when I entered Skype, a new version was forcibly installed, something like Version 8.1.2, and it presented me with an interface that I could not comprehend with NVDA. None of the shortcut keys that I previously used would work. I received a call from a friend right after this forced installation and could not answer it, because the usual alt-PageUp key combo for answering a call was useless, as were all other previous shortcut keys. What is the solution to this problem. I totally uninstalled Skype for now. Do we give up on Skype as NVDA users, or install a different version or perhaps some other chat program? Â -- Rich De Steno Â Â Â Â Â Â Â -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries <http://www.gshministries.org>http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 Â Â -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries <http://www.gshministries.org>http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 Â -- Rich De Steno Â -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries <http://www.gshministries.org>http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 Â -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries <http://www.gshministries.org>http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â
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