New Thunderbird Version 102.0 Issues


Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,

The new Thunderbird version 102.0 has some issues. the address book is configured and different. It is similar to but not exactly like a web page. for best results in navigating it, turn off virtual cursor and then use tab key to get to the list of your addresses.  first letter navigation does not work as it did in the past in the address book, so you will have to use the search field which now appears in the tab order of the items in the address book. Type the first few letters of an address you want to highlight and then tab to the list and you will land on or near the proper address. Use up and down arrow keys if you don't land exactly on the desired address. This isn't to dissimilar to the way preferences were changed to be more like a web page a few years ago in Thunderbird. it takes some getting used to but is quite usable once you understand what is happening.

In addition, the Mozilla apps enhancement feature for Thunderbird is broken.  I hope the developers will be able to fix this add-on so it works as it did in the previous versions.  We should all send them e-mails to make them aware of the issues and desirability for a fix.

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Gene
 

Good reasons not to update.  I really don't see the need to keep the program current if you are just using e-mail and don't care about possible new features.

I'll be curious to see the new setup.  I have a copy of Thunderbird Portable I keep current to keep up with any problems or changes I find in the program but for general use, I don't use the current version.

I keep one copy current out of curiosity and so I might be of help if people ask about problems.

Gene

On 7/2/2022 4:36 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Group,

The new Thunderbird version 102.0 has some issues. the address book is configured and different. It is similar to but not exactly like a web page. for best results in navigating it, turn off virtual cursor and then use tab key to get to the list of your addresses.  first letter navigation does not work as it did in the past in the address book, so you will have to use the search field which now appears in the tab order of the items in the address book. Type the first few letters of an address you want to highlight and then tab to the list and you will land on or near the proper address. Use up and down arrow keys if you don't land exactly on the desired address. This isn't to dissimilar to the way preferences were changed to be more like a web page a few years ago in Thunderbird. it takes some getting used to but is quite usable once you understand what is happening.

In addition, the Mozilla apps enhancement feature for Thunderbird is broken.  I hope the developers will be able to fix this add-on so it works as it did in the previous versions.  We should all send them e-mails to make them aware of the issues and desirability for a fix.



Gene
 

Here, below my signature, is the page that comes up in Thunderbird the first time it runs after the update.  As you will see, the header layout has been changed, which assumedly, accounts for the NVDA Mozilla enhancements no longer working.

If people aren't aware of this, you can set Thunderbird not to update automatically and to inform you when updates are available.

Gene

New in Thunderbird 102
This article describes some of the major changes visible to users in Thunderbird version 102. Full details of all the changes can be found in the Thunderbird release notes from 102.0 and up.
Thunderbird is both free and freedom respecting, but we’re also completely funded by donations! Help us sustain the project and continue to improve.
Screenshot of Thunderbird's new system dark mode.
Screenshot of Thunderbird's new message header.
MESSAGE HEADER REDESIGN
Thunderbird 102 helps you be more productive with less effort. When reading your email, the redesigned message header allows you to focus on what matters as it highlights important information. It’s also more responsive and easier to navigate. Plus, you can star important messages from the message header itself, and easily convert them into a calendar event or a task.
NEW ADDRESS BOOK
Thunderbird 102 gives your contacts a serious upgrade! The refreshed design makes it easier to navigate and interact with your contacts, and helps you better understand who you’re communicating with. The new Address Book has compatibility with vCard specs, meaning if your app can export your existing contacts into vCard format, Thunderbird can import them. Each contact card also acts as a launchpad for messaging, email, and event creation.
Screenshot of Thunderbird's new addressbook.
Screenshot of the new import and export wizards in Thunderbird.
NEW IMPORT/EXPORT WIZARD
Thunderbird 102 makes it quick and simple to move your accounts and data around. The new step-by-step wizard provides a guided experience for importing all that data that’s important to you. We’ve also taken extra precautions to ensure that no data is accidentally duplicated in your profile after an import. Moving from Outlook, SeaMonkey, or another Thunderbird installation is easier than ever. No add-ons required!
NEW SPACES TOOLBAR
Thunderbird 102 makes navigating the application more intuitive thanks to the the new Spaces Toolbar. Move between all of your activities with ease, whether it’s managing email, working with contacts through the awesome new address book, using the calendar and tasks functionality, chat, and even add-ons! If you want to save screen real estate, the Spaces Toolbar can be dismissed, and you can instead navigate the different activities Thunderbird offers with the new Pinned Spaces tab.
Screenshot showing the new matrix chat in Thunderbird.
Screenshot of the new spaces toolbar in Thunderbird.
NEW MATRIX CHAT SUPPORT
Thunderbird 102 offers a new way to chat privately and securely with your colleagues, friends, and family. We’ve added support for the open-source, decentralized chat protocol Matrix, and it’s usable right out of the box! (As always, we welcome your feedback since it’s an evolving service.)
OTHER NOTABLE CHANGES
There are many other big changes that make Thunderbird 102 a very large release including:
• New Icons and Default Folder Colors
• Use Thunderbird without an email account (for example, as an RSS reader)
• Numerous OpenPGP improvements
• CalendarLocal parser converted to javascript
• Today Pane calendar UI refresh
• POP3 implemented in javascript
• Account settings moved to macOS application menu
• Plus: Application-wide font size control, Theme fixes, FileLink fixes, Accessibility fixes, improved vCard integration, improved calendar startup performance, Calendar fixes including correct order of week view headers and days for right to left locales.
You can see details of all our changes in the release notes for Thunderbird 102.0 and up.
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Gene
 

If you want to look down the list of addresses, if you turn browse mode off in the address book and tab to the list, you can up and down arrow in it and it will appear as a standard list.  There is no first letter navigation.

Autocomplete works as before in e-mail messages.  I haven't played with the search address book feature to any extent and I'm not sure I understand it yet.

Gene

On 7/2/2022 6:50 PM, Gene via groups.io wrote:
Here, below my signature, is the page that comes up in Thunderbird the first time it runs after the update.  As you will see, the header layout has been changed, which assumedly, accounts for the NVDA Mozilla enhancements no longer working.

If people aren't aware of this, you can set Thunderbird not to update automatically and to inform you when updates are available.

Gene

New in Thunderbird 102
This article describes some of the major changes visible to users in Thunderbird version 102. Full details of all the changes can be found in the Thunderbird release notes from 102.0 and up.
Thunderbird is both free and freedom respecting, but we’re also completely funded by donations! Help us sustain the project and continue to improve.
Screenshot of Thunderbird's new system dark mode.
Screenshot of Thunderbird's new message header.
MESSAGE HEADER REDESIGN
Thunderbird 102 helps you be more productive with less effort. When reading your email, the redesigned message header allows you to focus on what matters as it highlights important information. It’s also more responsive and easier to navigate. Plus, you can star important messages from the message header itself, and easily convert them into a calendar event or a task.
NEW ADDRESS BOOK
Thunderbird 102 gives your contacts a serious upgrade! The refreshed design makes it easier to navigate and interact with your contacts, and helps you better understand who you’re communicating with. The new Address Book has compatibility with vCard specs, meaning if your app can export your existing contacts into vCard format, Thunderbird can import them. Each contact card also acts as a launchpad for messaging, email, and event creation.
Screenshot of Thunderbird's new addressbook.
Screenshot of the new import and export wizards in Thunderbird.
NEW IMPORT/EXPORT WIZARD
Thunderbird 102 makes it quick and simple to move your accounts and data around. The new step-by-step wizard provides a guided experience for importing all that data that’s important to you. We’ve also taken extra precautions to ensure that no data is accidentally duplicated in your profile after an import. Moving from Outlook, SeaMonkey, or another Thunderbird installation is easier than ever. No add-ons required!
NEW SPACES TOOLBAR
Thunderbird 102 makes navigating the application more intuitive thanks to the the new Spaces Toolbar. Move between all of your activities with ease, whether it’s managing email, working with contacts through the awesome new address book, using the calendar and tasks functionality, chat, and even add-ons! If you want to save screen real estate, the Spaces Toolbar can be dismissed, and you can instead navigate the different activities Thunderbird offers with the new Pinned Spaces tab.
Screenshot showing the new matrix chat in Thunderbird.
Screenshot of the new spaces toolbar in Thunderbird.
NEW MATRIX CHAT SUPPORT
Thunderbird 102 offers a new way to chat privately and securely with your colleagues, friends, and family. We’ve added support for the open-source, decentralized chat protocol Matrix, and it’s usable right out of the box! (As always, we welcome your feedback since it’s an evolving service.)
OTHER NOTABLE CHANGES
There are many other big changes that make Thunderbird 102 a very large release including:
• New Icons and Default Folder Colors
• Use Thunderbird without an email account (for example, as an RSS reader)
• Numerous OpenPGP improvements
• CalendarLocal parser converted to javascript
• Today Pane calendar UI refresh
• POP3 implemented in javascript
• Account settings moved to macOS application menu
• Plus: Application-wide font size control, Theme fixes, FileLink fixes, Accessibility fixes, improved vCard integration, improved calendar startup performance, Calendar fixes including correct order of week view headers and days for right to left locales.
You can see details of all our changes in the release notes for Thunderbird 102.0 and up.
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Gene
 

Here is an odd thing.  The NVDA Mozilla apps enhancements didn't work when I first tried it in the new version.  I tried it again a little later and now it does.  I was playing with the address book search, and I have no idea if that changed anything regarding the layout but it works for now, at least for now, I don't know if it will continue to work.

Gene

On 7/2/2022 6:58 PM, Gene wrote:
If you want to look down the list of addresses, if you turn browse mode off in the address book and tab to the list, you can up and down arrow in it and it will appear as a standard list.  There is no first letter navigation.

Autocomplete works as before in e-mail messages.  I haven't played with the search address book feature to any extent and I'm not sure I understand it yet.

Gene

On 7/2/2022 6:50 PM, Gene via groups.io wrote:
Here, below my signature, is the page that comes up in Thunderbird the first time it runs after the update.  As you will see, the header layout has been changed, which assumedly, accounts for the NVDA Mozilla enhancements no longer working.

If people aren't aware of this, you can set Thunderbird not to update automatically and to inform you when updates are available.

Gene

New in Thunderbird 102
This article describes some of the major changes visible to users in Thunderbird version 102. Full details of all the changes can be found in the Thunderbird release notes from 102.0 and up.
Thunderbird is both free and freedom respecting, but we’re also completely funded by donations! Help us sustain the project and continue to improve.
Screenshot of Thunderbird's new system dark mode.
Screenshot of Thunderbird's new message header.
MESSAGE HEADER REDESIGN
Thunderbird 102 helps you be more productive with less effort. When reading your email, the redesigned message header allows you to focus on what matters as it highlights important information. It’s also more responsive and easier to navigate. Plus, you can star important messages from the message header itself, and easily convert them into a calendar event or a task.
NEW ADDRESS BOOK
Thunderbird 102 gives your contacts a serious upgrade! The refreshed design makes it easier to navigate and interact with your contacts, and helps you better understand who you’re communicating with. The new Address Book has compatibility with vCard specs, meaning if your app can export your existing contacts into vCard format, Thunderbird can import them. Each contact card also acts as a launchpad for messaging, email, and event creation.
Screenshot of Thunderbird's new addressbook.
Screenshot of the new import and export wizards in Thunderbird.
NEW IMPORT/EXPORT WIZARD
Thunderbird 102 makes it quick and simple to move your accounts and data around. The new step-by-step wizard provides a guided experience for importing all that data that’s important to you. We’ve also taken extra precautions to ensure that no data is accidentally duplicated in your profile after an import. Moving from Outlook, SeaMonkey, or another Thunderbird installation is easier than ever. No add-ons required!
NEW SPACES TOOLBAR
Thunderbird 102 makes navigating the application more intuitive thanks to the the new Spaces Toolbar. Move between all of your activities with ease, whether it’s managing email, working with contacts through the awesome new address book, using the calendar and tasks functionality, chat, and even add-ons! If you want to save screen real estate, the Spaces Toolbar can be dismissed, and you can instead navigate the different activities Thunderbird offers with the new Pinned Spaces tab.
Screenshot showing the new matrix chat in Thunderbird.
Screenshot of the new spaces toolbar in Thunderbird.
NEW MATRIX CHAT SUPPORT
Thunderbird 102 offers a new way to chat privately and securely with your colleagues, friends, and family. We’ve added support for the open-source, decentralized chat protocol Matrix, and it’s usable right out of the box! (As always, we welcome your feedback since it’s an evolving service.)
OTHER NOTABLE CHANGES
There are many other big changes that make Thunderbird 102 a very large release including:
• New Icons and Default Folder Colors
• Use Thunderbird without an email account (for example, as an RSS reader)
• Numerous OpenPGP improvements
• CalendarLocal parser converted to javascript
• Today Pane calendar UI refresh
• POP3 implemented in javascript
• Account settings moved to macOS application menu
• Plus: Application-wide font size control, Theme fixes, FileLink fixes, Accessibility fixes, improved vCard integration, improved calendar startup performance, Calendar fixes including correct order of week view headers and days for right to left locales.
You can see details of all our changes in the release notes for Thunderbird 102.0 and up.
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Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Gene,

I still can't get it to work. I even restarted the system and still no go.

What did you change in the settings in address book or program that seemed to get it to work?

On 7/2/2022 8:10 PM, Gene wrote:
Here is an odd thing.  The NVDA Mozilla apps enhancements didn't work when I first tried it in the new version.  I tried it again a little later and now it does.  I was playing with the address book search, and I have no idea if that changed anything regarding the layout but it works for now, at least for now, I don't know if it will continue to work.

Gene

On 7/2/2022 6:58 PM, Gene wrote:
If you want to look down the list of addresses, if you turn browse mode off in the address book and tab to the list, you can up and down arrow in it and it will appear as a standard list.  There is no first letter navigation.

Autocomplete works as before in e-mail messages.  I haven't played with the search address book feature to any extent and I'm not sure I understand it yet.

Gene

On 7/2/2022 6:50 PM, Gene via groups.io wrote:
Here, below my signature, is the page that comes up in Thunderbird the first time it runs after the update.  As you will see, the header layout has been changed, which assumedly, accounts for the NVDA Mozilla enhancements no longer working.

If people aren't aware of this, you can set Thunderbird not to update automatically and to inform you when updates are available.

Gene

New in Thunderbird 102
This article describes some of the major changes visible to users in Thunderbird version 102. Full details of all the changes can be found in the Thunderbird release notes from 102.0 and up.
Thunderbird is both free and freedom respecting, but we’re also completely funded by donations! Help us sustain the project and continue to improve.
Screenshot of Thunderbird's new system dark mode.
Screenshot of Thunderbird's new message header.
MESSAGE HEADER REDESIGN
Thunderbird 102 helps you be more productive with less effort. When reading your email, the redesigned message header allows you to focus on what matters as it highlights important information. It’s also more responsive and easier to navigate. Plus, you can star important messages from the message header itself, and easily convert them into a calendar event or a task.
NEW ADDRESS BOOK
Thunderbird 102 gives your contacts a serious upgrade! The refreshed design makes it easier to navigate and interact with your contacts, and helps you better understand who you’re communicating with. The new Address Book has compatibility with vCard specs, meaning if your app can export your existing contacts into vCard format, Thunderbird can import them. Each contact card also acts as a launchpad for messaging, email, and event creation.
Screenshot of Thunderbird's new addressbook.
Screenshot of the new import and export wizards in Thunderbird.
NEW IMPORT/EXPORT WIZARD
Thunderbird 102 makes it quick and simple to move your accounts and data around. The new step-by-step wizard provides a guided experience for importing all that data that’s important to you. We’ve also taken extra precautions to ensure that no data is accidentally duplicated in your profile after an import. Moving from Outlook, SeaMonkey, or another Thunderbird installation is easier than ever. No add-ons required!
NEW SPACES TOOLBAR
Thunderbird 102 makes navigating the application more intuitive thanks to the the new Spaces Toolbar. Move between all of your activities with ease, whether it’s managing email, working with contacts through the awesome new address book, using the calendar and tasks functionality, chat, and even add-ons! If you want to save screen real estate, the Spaces Toolbar can be dismissed, and you can instead navigate the different activities Thunderbird offers with the new Pinned Spaces tab.
Screenshot showing the new matrix chat in Thunderbird.
Screenshot of the new spaces toolbar in Thunderbird.
NEW MATRIX CHAT SUPPORT
Thunderbird 102 offers a new way to chat privately and securely with your colleagues, friends, and family. We’ve added support for the open-source, decentralized chat protocol Matrix, and it’s usable right out of the box! (As always, we welcome your feedback since it’s an evolving service.)
OTHER NOTABLE CHANGES
There are many other big changes that make Thunderbird 102 a very large release including:
• New Icons and Default Folder Colors
• Use Thunderbird without an email account (for example, as an RSS reader)
• Numerous OpenPGP improvements
• CalendarLocal parser converted to javascript
• Today Pane calendar UI refresh
• POP3 implemented in javascript
• Account settings moved to macOS application menu
• Plus: Application-wide font size control, Theme fixes, FileLink fixes, Accessibility fixes, improved vCard integration, improved calendar startup performance, Calendar fixes including correct order of week view headers and days for right to left locales.
You can see details of all our changes in the release notes for Thunderbird 102.0 and up.
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Gene
 

I just wrote different things in the search dialog, tabbed to the list, and down arrowed through the results.  I don't see why playing with the address book would cause any change and I don't know if it did.

You could try maximizing the window or normalizing it, whatever is the opposite of what it is now, but I didn't do that.

Gene

On 7/2/2022 9:52 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Gene,

I still can't get it to work. I even restarted the system and still no go.

What did you change in the settings in address book or program that seemed to get it to work?



On 7/2/2022 8:10 PM, Gene wrote:
Here is an odd thing.  The NVDA Mozilla apps enhancements didn't work when I first tried it in the new version.  I tried it again a little later and now it does.  I was playing with the address book search, and I have no idea if that changed anything regarding the layout but it works for now, at least for now, I don't know if it will continue to work.

Gene

On 7/2/2022 6:58 PM, Gene wrote:
If you want to look down the list of addresses, if you turn browse mode off in the address book and tab to the list, you can up and down arrow in it and it will appear as a standard list.  There is no first letter navigation.

Autocomplete works as before in e-mail messages.  I haven't played with the search address book feature to any extent and I'm not sure I understand it yet.

Gene

On 7/2/2022 6:50 PM, Gene via groups.io wrote:
Here, below my signature, is the page that comes up in Thunderbird the first time it runs after the update.  As you will see, the header layout has been changed, which assumedly, accounts for the NVDA Mozilla enhancements no longer working.

If people aren't aware of this, you can set Thunderbird not to update automatically and to inform you when updates are available.

Gene

New in Thunderbird 102
This article describes some of the major changes visible to users in Thunderbird version 102. Full details of all the changes can be found in the Thunderbird release notes from 102.0 and up.
Thunderbird is both free and freedom respecting, but we’re also completely funded by donations! Help us sustain the project and continue to improve.
Screenshot of Thunderbird's new system dark mode.
Screenshot of Thunderbird's new message header.
MESSAGE HEADER REDESIGN
Thunderbird 102 helps you be more productive with less effort. When reading your email, the redesigned message header allows you to focus on what matters as it highlights important information. It’s also more responsive and easier to navigate. Plus, you can star important messages from the message header itself, and easily convert them into a calendar event or a task.
NEW ADDRESS BOOK
Thunderbird 102 gives your contacts a serious upgrade! The refreshed design makes it easier to navigate and interact with your contacts, and helps you better understand who you’re communicating with. The new Address Book has compatibility with vCard specs, meaning if your app can export your existing contacts into vCard format, Thunderbird can import them. Each contact card also acts as a launchpad for messaging, email, and event creation.
Screenshot of Thunderbird's new addressbook.
Screenshot of the new import and export wizards in Thunderbird.
NEW IMPORT/EXPORT WIZARD
Thunderbird 102 makes it quick and simple to move your accounts and data around. The new step-by-step wizard provides a guided experience for importing all that data that’s important to you. We’ve also taken extra precautions to ensure that no data is accidentally duplicated in your profile after an import. Moving from Outlook, SeaMonkey, or another Thunderbird installation is easier than ever. No add-ons required!
NEW SPACES TOOLBAR
Thunderbird 102 makes navigating the application more intuitive thanks to the the new Spaces Toolbar. Move between all of your activities with ease, whether it’s managing email, working with contacts through the awesome new address book, using the calendar and tasks functionality, chat, and even add-ons! If you want to save screen real estate, the Spaces Toolbar can be dismissed, and you can instead navigate the different activities Thunderbird offers with the new Pinned Spaces tab.
Screenshot showing the new matrix chat in Thunderbird.
Screenshot of the new spaces toolbar in Thunderbird.
NEW MATRIX CHAT SUPPORT
Thunderbird 102 offers a new way to chat privately and securely with your colleagues, friends, and family. We’ve added support for the open-source, decentralized chat protocol Matrix, and it’s usable right out of the box! (As always, we welcome your feedback since it’s an evolving service.)
OTHER NOTABLE CHANGES
There are many other big changes that make Thunderbird 102 a very large release including:
• New Icons and Default Folder Colors
• Use Thunderbird without an email account (for example, as an RSS reader)
• Numerous OpenPGP improvements
• CalendarLocal parser converted to javascript
• Today Pane calendar UI refresh
• POP3 implemented in javascript
• Account settings moved to macOS application menu
• Plus: Application-wide font size control, Theme fixes, FileLink fixes, Accessibility fixes, improved vCard integration, improved calendar startup performance, Calendar fixes including correct order of week view headers and days for right to left locales.
You can see details of all our changes in the release notes for Thunderbird 102.0 and up.
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Gene
 

Here is more information:
It appears what I did working with the address book had no bearing on the add-on working.

I'm running Thunderbird Portable so I updated an old version and tried working with the add-on in the newly updated version.  The add-on worked, even though I hadn't done what I did in the address book in the version I updated earlier.

I hope others discuss whether the add-on works if they update.  I don't know if the add-on generally works or not and if people are going to ask that it be modified to work with the new version, we need to know if the modification is necessary.

Gene

On 7/2/2022 7:10 PM, Gene wrote:
Here is an odd thing.  The NVDA Mozilla apps enhancements didn't work when I first tried it in the new version.  I tried it again a little later and now it does.  I was playing with the address book search, and I have no idea if that changed anything regarding the layout but it works for now, at least for now, I don't know if it will continue to work.

Gene

On 7/2/2022 6:58 PM, Gene wrote:
If you want to look down the list of addresses, if you turn browse mode off in the address book and tab to the list, you can up and down arrow in it and it will appear as a standard list.  There is no first letter navigation.

Autocomplete works as before in e-mail messages.  I haven't played with the search address book feature to any extent and I'm not sure I understand it yet.

Gene

On 7/2/2022 6:50 PM, Gene via groups.io wrote:
Here, below my signature, is the page that comes up in Thunderbird the first time it runs after the update.  As you will see, the header layout has been changed, which assumedly, accounts for the NVDA Mozilla enhancements no longer working.

If people aren't aware of this, you can set Thunderbird not to update automatically and to inform you when updates are available.

Gene

New in Thunderbird 102
This article describes some of the major changes visible to users in Thunderbird version 102. Full details of all the changes can be found in the Thunderbird release notes from 102.0 and up.
Thunderbird is both free and freedom respecting, but we’re also completely funded by donations! Help us sustain the project and continue to improve.
Screenshot of Thunderbird's new system dark mode.
Screenshot of Thunderbird's new message header.
MESSAGE HEADER REDESIGN
Thunderbird 102 helps you be more productive with less effort. When reading your email, the redesigned message header allows you to focus on what matters as it highlights important information. It’s also more responsive and easier to navigate. Plus, you can star important messages from the message header itself, and easily convert them into a calendar event or a task.
NEW ADDRESS BOOK
Thunderbird 102 gives your contacts a serious upgrade! The refreshed design makes it easier to navigate and interact with your contacts, and helps you better understand who you’re communicating with. The new Address Book has compatibility with vCard specs, meaning if your app can export your existing contacts into vCard format, Thunderbird can import them. Each contact card also acts as a launchpad for messaging, email, and event creation.
Screenshot of Thunderbird's new addressbook.
Screenshot of the new import and export wizards in Thunderbird.
NEW IMPORT/EXPORT WIZARD
Thunderbird 102 makes it quick and simple to move your accounts and data around. The new step-by-step wizard provides a guided experience for importing all that data that’s important to you. We’ve also taken extra precautions to ensure that no data is accidentally duplicated in your profile after an import. Moving from Outlook, SeaMonkey, or another Thunderbird installation is easier than ever. No add-ons required!
NEW SPACES TOOLBAR
Thunderbird 102 makes navigating the application more intuitive thanks to the the new Spaces Toolbar. Move between all of your activities with ease, whether it’s managing email, working with contacts through the awesome new address book, using the calendar and tasks functionality, chat, and even add-ons! If you want to save screen real estate, the Spaces Toolbar can be dismissed, and you can instead navigate the different activities Thunderbird offers with the new Pinned Spaces tab.
Screenshot showing the new matrix chat in Thunderbird.
Screenshot of the new spaces toolbar in Thunderbird.
NEW MATRIX CHAT SUPPORT
Thunderbird 102 offers a new way to chat privately and securely with your colleagues, friends, and family. We’ve added support for the open-source, decentralized chat protocol Matrix, and it’s usable right out of the box! (As always, we welcome your feedback since it’s an evolving service.)
OTHER NOTABLE CHANGES
There are many other big changes that make Thunderbird 102 a very large release including:
• New Icons and Default Folder Colors
• Use Thunderbird without an email account (for example, as an RSS reader)
• Numerous OpenPGP improvements
• CalendarLocal parser converted to javascript
• Today Pane calendar UI refresh
• POP3 implemented in javascript
• Account settings moved to macOS application menu
• Plus: Application-wide font size control, Theme fixes, FileLink fixes, Accessibility fixes, improved vCard integration, improved calendar startup performance, Calendar fixes including correct order of week view headers and days for right to left locales.
You can see details of all our changes in the release notes for Thunderbird 102.0 and up.
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William
 

Gene  and all,

I am using nvda 2022.1, thunderbird 102, Mozilla Apps Enhancements 1.16


If I open the addressbook, say pressing ctrl shift b,

nvda immediately focus onto the search field.

If I type something like nvda, then I press two taps I can browse all the match search results by moving up or down arrow.


<fjavids@...>


Gene 於 3/7/2022 13:47 寫道:

Here is more information:
It appears what I did working with the address book had no bearing on the add-on working.

I'm running Thunderbird Portable so I updated an old version and tried working with the add-on in the newly updated version.  The add-on worked, even though I hadn't done what I did in the address book in the version I updated earlier.

I hope others discuss whether the add-on works if they update.  I don't know if the add-on generally works or not and if people are going to ask that it be modified to work with the new version, we need to know if the modification is necessary.

Gene

On 7/2/2022 7:10 PM, Gene wrote:
Here is an odd thing.  The NVDA Mozilla apps enhancements didn't work when I first tried it in the new version.  I tried it again a little later and now it does.  I was playing with the address book search, and I have no idea if that changed anything regarding the layout but it works for now, at least for now, I don't know if it will continue to work.

Gene

On 7/2/2022 6:58 PM, Gene wrote:
If you want to look down the list of addresses, if you turn browse mode off in the address book and tab to the list, you can up and down arrow in it and it will appear as a standard list.  There is no first letter navigation.

Autocomplete works as before in e-mail messages.  I haven't played with the search address book feature to any extent and I'm not sure I understand it yet.

Gene

On 7/2/2022 6:50 PM, Gene via groups.io wrote:
Here, below my signature, is the page that comes up in Thunderbird the first time it runs after the update.  As you will see, the header layout has been changed, which assumedly, accounts for the NVDA Mozilla enhancements no longer working.

If people aren't aware of this, you can set Thunderbird not to update automatically and to inform you when updates are available.

Gene

New in Thunderbird 102
This article describes some of the major changes visible to users in Thunderbird version 102. Full details of all the changes can be found in the Thunderbird release notes from 102.0 and up.
Thunderbird is both free and freedom respecting, but we’re also completely funded by donations! Help us sustain the project and continue to improve.
Screenshot of Thunderbird's new system dark mode.
Screenshot of Thunderbird's new message header.
MESSAGE HEADER REDESIGN
Thunderbird 102 helps you be more productive with less effort. When reading your email, the redesigned message header allows you to focus on what matters as it highlights important information. It’s also more responsive and easier to navigate. Plus, you can star important messages from the message header itself, and easily convert them into a calendar event or a task.
NEW ADDRESS BOOK
Thunderbird 102 gives your contacts a serious upgrade! The refreshed design makes it easier to navigate and interact with your contacts, and helps you better understand who you’re communicating with. The new Address Book has compatibility with vCard specs, meaning if your app can export your existing contacts into vCard format, Thunderbird can import them. Each contact card also acts as a launchpad for messaging, email, and event creation.
Screenshot of Thunderbird's new addressbook.
Screenshot of the new import and export wizards in Thunderbird.
NEW IMPORT/EXPORT WIZARD
Thunderbird 102 makes it quick and simple to move your accounts and data around. The new step-by-step wizard provides a guided experience for importing all that data that’s important to you. We’ve also taken extra precautions to ensure that no data is accidentally duplicated in your profile after an import. Moving from Outlook, SeaMonkey, or another Thunderbird installation is easier than ever. No add-ons required!
NEW SPACES TOOLBAR
Thunderbird 102 makes navigating the application more intuitive thanks to the the new Spaces Toolbar. Move between all of your activities with ease, whether it’s managing email, working with contacts through the awesome new address book, using the calendar and tasks functionality, chat, and even add-ons! If you want to save screen real estate, the Spaces Toolbar can be dismissed, and you can instead navigate the different activities Thunderbird offers with the new Pinned Spaces tab.
Screenshot showing the new matrix chat in Thunderbird.
Screenshot of the new spaces toolbar in Thunderbird.
NEW MATRIX CHAT SUPPORT
Thunderbird 102 offers a new way to chat privately and securely with your colleagues, friends, and family. We’ve added support for the open-source, decentralized chat protocol Matrix, and it’s usable right out of the box! (As always, we welcome your feedback since it’s an evolving service.)
OTHER NOTABLE CHANGES
There are many other big changes that make Thunderbird 102 a very large release including:
• New Icons and Default Folder Colors
• Use Thunderbird without an email account (for example, as an RSS reader)
• Numerous OpenPGP improvements
• CalendarLocal parser converted to javascript
• Today Pane calendar UI refresh
• POP3 implemented in javascript
• Account settings moved to macOS application menu
• Plus: Application-wide font size control, Theme fixes, FileLink fixes, Accessibility fixes, improved vCard integration, improved calendar startup performance, Calendar fixes including correct order of week view headers and days for right to left locales.
You can see details of all our changes in the release notes for Thunderbird 102.0 and up.
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It seems peculiar to me that we have people in Mozillas Firefox teem falling over themselves to fix inaccessible issues, yet Tbird seems to go through these strange change stuff cos we can periods every so often. If there is a link to an old copy of the known to work portable version it needs to be on a web site somewhere. I will have to abandon OE soon, but Outlook does not do Newsgroups, but Tbird still does.
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From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
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Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2022 6:47 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Thunderbird Version 102.0 Issues


Here is more information:
It appears what I did working with the address book had no bearing on the add-on working.

I'm running Thunderbird Portable so I updated an old version and tried working with the add-on in the newly updated version. The add-on worked, even though I hadn't done what I did in the address book in the version I updated earlier.

I hope others discuss whether the add-on works if they update. I don't know if the add-on generally works or not and if people are going to ask that it be modified to work with the new version, we need to know if the modification is necessary.

Gene

On 7/2/2022 7:10 PM, Gene wrote:
Here is an odd thing. The NVDA Mozilla apps enhancements didn't work when I first tried it in the new version. I tried it again a little later and now it does. I was playing with the address book search, and I have no idea if that changed anything regarding the layout but it works for now, at least for now, I don't know if it will continue to work.

Gene

On 7/2/2022 6:58 PM, Gene wrote:
If you want to look down the list of addresses, if you turn browse mode off in the address book and tab to the list, you can up and down arrow in it and it will appear as a standard list. There is no first letter navigation.

Autocomplete works as before in e-mail messages. I haven't played with the search address book feature to any extent and I'm not sure I understand it yet.

Gene

On 7/2/2022 6:50 PM, Gene via groups.io wrote:
Here, below my signature, is the page that comes up in Thunderbird the first time it runs after the update. As you will see, the header layout has been changed, which assumedly, accounts for the NVDA Mozilla enhancements no longer working.

If people aren't aware of this, you can set Thunderbird not to update automatically and to inform you when updates are available.

Gene

New in Thunderbird 102
This article describes some of the major changes visible to users in Thunderbird version 102. Full details of all the changes can be found in the Thunderbird release notes from 102.0 and up.
Thunderbird is both free and freedom respecting, but we’re also completely funded by donations! Help us sustain the project and continue to improve.
Screenshot of Thunderbird's new system dark mode.
Screenshot of Thunderbird's new message header.
MESSAGE HEADER REDESIGN
Thunderbird 102 helps you be more productive with less effort. When reading your email, the redesigned message header allows you to focus on what matters as it highlights important information. It’s also more responsive and easier to navigate. Plus, you can star important messages from the message header itself, and easily convert them into a calendar event or a task.
NEW ADDRESS BOOK
Thunderbird 102 gives your contacts a serious upgrade! The refreshed design makes it easier to navigate and interact with your contacts, and helps you better understand who you’re communicating with. The new Address Book has compatibility with vCard specs, meaning if your app can export your existing contacts into vCard format, Thunderbird can import them. Each contact card also acts as a launchpad for messaging, email, and event creation.
Screenshot of Thunderbird's new addressbook.
Screenshot of the new import and export wizards in Thunderbird.
NEW IMPORT/EXPORT WIZARD
Thunderbird 102 makes it quick and simple to move your accounts and data around. The new step-by-step wizard provides a guided experience for importing all that data that’s important to you. We’ve also taken extra precautions to ensure that no data is accidentally duplicated in your profile after an import. Moving from Outlook, SeaMonkey, or another Thunderbird installation is easier than ever. No add-ons required!
NEW SPACES TOOLBAR
Thunderbird 102 makes navigating the application more intuitive thanks to the the new Spaces Toolbar. Move between all of your activities with ease, whether it’s managing email, working with contacts through the awesome new address book, using the calendar and tasks functionality, chat, and even add-ons! If you want to save screen real estate, the Spaces Toolbar can be dismissed, and you can instead navigate the different activities Thunderbird offers with the new Pinned Spaces tab.
Screenshot showing the new matrix chat in Thunderbird.
Screenshot of the new spaces toolbar in Thunderbird.
NEW MATRIX CHAT SUPPORT
Thunderbird 102 offers a new way to chat privately and securely with your colleagues, friends, and family. We’ve added support for the open-source, decentralized chat protocol Matrix, and it’s usable right out of the box! (As always, we welcome your feedback since it’s an evolving service.)
OTHER NOTABLE CHANGES
There are many other big changes that make Thunderbird 102 a very large release including:
• New Icons and Default Folder Colors
• Use Thunderbird without an email account (for example, as an RSS reader)
• Numerous OpenPGP improvements
• CalendarLocal parser converted to javascript
• Today Pane calendar UI refresh
• POP3 implemented in javascript
• Account settings moved to macOS application menu
• Plus: Application-wide font size control, Theme fixes, FileLink fixes, Accessibility fixes, improved vCard integration, improved calendar startup performance, Calendar fixes including correct order of week view headers and days for right to left locales.
You can see details of all our changes in the release notes for Thunderbird 102.0 and up.
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Gene
 

I don't have NVDA set to automatically go into focus mode but if you do, from what you say, it automatically does when you open the address book and are on the search all address book field.  Your description is correct if you have NVDA set to work that way. 

If you tab around, you will find a search button and pressing it evidently only searches one address book.  I was originally playing with that option but the search you are discussing is faster to use.

If someone wants to move through the actual list of addresses, however, you may have to go into focus mode because NVDA may go into browse mode when you tab out of the search field you are discussing. 

I think it is faster and easier to use autocomplete and not take time to go into the address book at all and to move from a search field to a list of results. 

Gene

On 7/3/2022 1:22 AM, William wrote:
Gene  and all,

I am using nvda 2022.1, thunderbird 102, Mozilla Apps Enhancements 1.16


If I open the addressbook, say pressing ctrl shift b,

nvda immediately focus onto the search field.

If I type something like nvda, then I press two taps I can browse all the match search results by moving up or down arrow.


<fjavids@...>


Gene 於 3/7/2022 13:47 寫道:
Here is more information:
It appears what I did working with the address book had no bearing on the add-on working.

I'm running Thunderbird Portable so I updated an old version and tried working with the add-on in the newly updated version.  The add-on worked, even though I hadn't done what I did in the address book in the version I updated earlier.

I hope others discuss whether the add-on works if they update.  I don't know if the add-on generally works or not and if people are going to ask that it be modified to work with the new version, we need to know if the modification is necessary.

Gene

On 7/2/2022 7:10 PM, Gene wrote:
Here is an odd thing.  The NVDA Mozilla apps enhancements didn't work when I first tried it in the new version.  I tried it again a little later and now it does.  I was playing with the address book search, and I have no idea if that changed anything regarding the layout but it works for now, at least for now, I don't know if it will continue to work.

Gene

On 7/2/2022 6:58 PM, Gene wrote:
If you want to look down the list of addresses, if you turn browse mode off in the address book and tab to the list, you can up and down arrow in it and it will appear as a standard list.  There is no first letter navigation.

Autocomplete works as before in e-mail messages.  I haven't played with the search address book feature to any extent and I'm not sure I understand it yet.

Gene

On 7/2/2022 6:50 PM, Gene via groups.io wrote:
Here, below my signature, is the page that comes up in Thunderbird the first time it runs after the update.  As you will see, the header layout has been changed, which assumedly, accounts for the NVDA Mozilla enhancements no longer working.

If people aren't aware of this, you can set Thunderbird not to update automatically and to inform you when updates are available.

Gene

New in Thunderbird 102
This article describes some of the major changes visible to users in Thunderbird version 102. Full details of all the changes can be found in the Thunderbird release notes from 102.0 and up.
Thunderbird is both free and freedom respecting, but we’re also completely funded by donations! Help us sustain the project and continue to improve.
Screenshot of Thunderbird's new system dark mode.
Screenshot of Thunderbird's new message header.
MESSAGE HEADER REDESIGN
Thunderbird 102 helps you be more productive with less effort. When reading your email, the redesigned message header allows you to focus on what matters as it highlights important information. It’s also more responsive and easier to navigate. Plus, you can star important messages from the message header itself, and easily convert them into a calendar event or a task.
NEW ADDRESS BOOK
Thunderbird 102 gives your contacts a serious upgrade! The refreshed design makes it easier to navigate and interact with your contacts, and helps you better understand who you’re communicating with. The new Address Book has compatibility with vCard specs, meaning if your app can export your existing contacts into vCard format, Thunderbird can import them. Each contact card also acts as a launchpad for messaging, email, and event creation.
Screenshot of Thunderbird's new addressbook.
Screenshot of the new import and export wizards in Thunderbird.
NEW IMPORT/EXPORT WIZARD
Thunderbird 102 makes it quick and simple to move your accounts and data around. The new step-by-step wizard provides a guided experience for importing all that data that’s important to you. We’ve also taken extra precautions to ensure that no data is accidentally duplicated in your profile after an import. Moving from Outlook, SeaMonkey, or another Thunderbird installation is easier than ever. No add-ons required!
NEW SPACES TOOLBAR
Thunderbird 102 makes navigating the application more intuitive thanks to the the new Spaces Toolbar. Move between all of your activities with ease, whether it’s managing email, working with contacts through the awesome new address book, using the calendar and tasks functionality, chat, and even add-ons! If you want to save screen real estate, the Spaces Toolbar can be dismissed, and you can instead navigate the different activities Thunderbird offers with the new Pinned Spaces tab.
Screenshot showing the new matrix chat in Thunderbird.
Screenshot of the new spaces toolbar in Thunderbird.
NEW MATRIX CHAT SUPPORT
Thunderbird 102 offers a new way to chat privately and securely with your colleagues, friends, and family. We’ve added support for the open-source, decentralized chat protocol Matrix, and it’s usable right out of the box! (As always, we welcome your feedback since it’s an evolving service.)
OTHER NOTABLE CHANGES
There are many other big changes that make Thunderbird 102 a very large release including:
• New Icons and Default Folder Colors
• Use Thunderbird without an email account (for example, as an RSS reader)
• Numerous OpenPGP improvements
• CalendarLocal parser converted to javascript
• Today Pane calendar UI refresh
• POP3 implemented in javascript
• Account settings moved to macOS application menu
• Plus: Application-wide font size control, Theme fixes, FileLink fixes, Accessibility fixes, improved vCard integration, improved calendar startup performance, Calendar fixes including correct order of week view headers and days for right to left locales.
You can see details of all our changes in the release notes for Thunderbird 102.0 and up.
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Thunderbird is both free and freedom respecting, but we’re also completely funded by donations! Help us sustain the project and continue to improve.
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Gene
 

On considering this further, from what you say, NVDA doesn't go into browse mode automatically when you tab away from the search field.  But if anyone is either on the main list or in a list of search results and you can't move properly through the list, turn off browse mode and you will be able to do so.

Gene

On 7/3/2022 1:22 AM, William wrote:
Gene  and all,

I am using nvda 2022.1, thunderbird 102, Mozilla Apps Enhancements 1.16


If I open the addressbook, say pressing ctrl shift b,

nvda immediately focus onto the search field.

If I type something like nvda, then I press two taps I can browse all the match search results by moving up or down arrow.


<fjavids@...>


Gene 於 3/7/2022 13:47 寫道:
Here is more information:
It appears what I did working with the address book had no bearing on the add-on working.

I'm running Thunderbird Portable so I updated an old version and tried working with the add-on in the newly updated version.  The add-on worked, even though I hadn't done what I did in the address book in the version I updated earlier.

I hope others discuss whether the add-on works if they update.  I don't know if the add-on generally works or not and if people are going to ask that it be modified to work with the new version, we need to know if the modification is necessary.

Gene

On 7/2/2022 7:10 PM, Gene wrote:
Here is an odd thing.  The NVDA Mozilla apps enhancements didn't work when I first tried it in the new version.  I tried it again a little later and now it does.  I was playing with the address book search, and I have no idea if that changed anything regarding the layout but it works for now, at least for now, I don't know if it will continue to work.

Gene

On 7/2/2022 6:58 PM, Gene wrote:
If you want to look down the list of addresses, if you turn browse mode off in the address book and tab to the list, you can up and down arrow in it and it will appear as a standard list.  There is no first letter navigation.

Autocomplete works as before in e-mail messages.  I haven't played with the search address book feature to any extent and I'm not sure I understand it yet.

Gene

On 7/2/2022 6:50 PM, Gene via groups.io wrote:
Here, below my signature, is the page that comes up in Thunderbird the first time it runs after the update.  As you will see, the header layout has been changed, which assumedly, accounts for the NVDA Mozilla enhancements no longer working.

If people aren't aware of this, you can set Thunderbird not to update automatically and to inform you when updates are available.

Gene

New in Thunderbird 102
This article describes some of the major changes visible to users in Thunderbird version 102. Full details of all the changes can be found in the Thunderbird release notes from 102.0 and up.
Thunderbird is both free and freedom respecting, but we’re also completely funded by donations! Help us sustain the project and continue to improve.
Screenshot of Thunderbird's new system dark mode.
Screenshot of Thunderbird's new message header.
MESSAGE HEADER REDESIGN
Thunderbird 102 helps you be more productive with less effort. When reading your email, the redesigned message header allows you to focus on what matters as it highlights important information. It’s also more responsive and easier to navigate. Plus, you can star important messages from the message header itself, and easily convert them into a calendar event or a task.
NEW ADDRESS BOOK
Thunderbird 102 gives your contacts a serious upgrade! The refreshed design makes it easier to navigate and interact with your contacts, and helps you better understand who you’re communicating with. The new Address Book has compatibility with vCard specs, meaning if your app can export your existing contacts into vCard format, Thunderbird can import them. Each contact card also acts as a launchpad for messaging, email, and event creation.
Screenshot of Thunderbird's new addressbook.
Screenshot of the new import and export wizards in Thunderbird.
NEW IMPORT/EXPORT WIZARD
Thunderbird 102 makes it quick and simple to move your accounts and data around. The new step-by-step wizard provides a guided experience for importing all that data that’s important to you. We’ve also taken extra precautions to ensure that no data is accidentally duplicated in your profile after an import. Moving from Outlook, SeaMonkey, or another Thunderbird installation is easier than ever. No add-ons required!
NEW SPACES TOOLBAR
Thunderbird 102 makes navigating the application more intuitive thanks to the the new Spaces Toolbar. Move between all of your activities with ease, whether it’s managing email, working with contacts through the awesome new address book, using the calendar and tasks functionality, chat, and even add-ons! If you want to save screen real estate, the Spaces Toolbar can be dismissed, and you can instead navigate the different activities Thunderbird offers with the new Pinned Spaces tab.
Screenshot showing the new matrix chat in Thunderbird.
Screenshot of the new spaces toolbar in Thunderbird.
NEW MATRIX CHAT SUPPORT
Thunderbird 102 offers a new way to chat privately and securely with your colleagues, friends, and family. We’ve added support for the open-source, decentralized chat protocol Matrix, and it’s usable right out of the box! (As always, we welcome your feedback since it’s an evolving service.)
OTHER NOTABLE CHANGES
There are many other big changes that make Thunderbird 102 a very large release including:
• New Icons and Default Folder Colors
• Use Thunderbird without an email account (for example, as an RSS reader)
• Numerous OpenPGP improvements
• CalendarLocal parser converted to javascript
• Today Pane calendar UI refresh
• POP3 implemented in javascript
• Account settings moved to macOS application menu
• Plus: Application-wide font size control, Theme fixes, FileLink fixes, Accessibility fixes, improved vCard integration, improved calendar startup performance, Calendar fixes including correct order of week view headers and days for right to left locales.
You can see details of all our changes in the release notes for Thunderbird 102.0 and up.
THUNDERBIRD IS FUNDED BY USERS LIKE YOU
Thunderbird is both free and freedom respecting, but we’re also completely funded by donations! Help us sustain the project and continue to improve.
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Gene
 

I temporarily restored NVDA to use factory defaults.  I didn't think about that until now.  I found that NVDA does automatically leave forms mode when you tab out of the search field, but it goes back into forms mode automatically when you tab to the list.  Whether you have done a search and you are in the list of results, or you just tab to the list without doing a search, in which case you see all entries in the address book, you automatically go into forms mode in the list so you need do nothing.

In the old days, you could just use first letter navigation in the list so this is a little less convenient but its only a minor drawback.  Even before the change, I used autocomplete because it was faster and easier. 

Gene

On 7/3/2022 5:22 AM, Gene wrote:
On considering this further, from what you say, NVDA doesn't go into browse mode automatically when you tab away from the search field.  But if anyone is either on the main list or in a list of search results and you can't move properly through the list, turn off browse mode and you will be able to do so.

Gene
On 7/3/2022 1:22 AM, William wrote:
Gene  and all,

I am using nvda 2022.1, thunderbird 102, Mozilla Apps Enhancements 1.16


If I open the addressbook, say pressing ctrl shift b,

nvda immediately focus onto the search field.

If I type something like nvda, then I press two taps I can browse all the match search results by moving up or down arrow.


<fjavids@...>


Gene 於 3/7/2022 13:47 寫道:
Here is more information:
It appears what I did working with the address book had no bearing on the add-on working.

I'm running Thunderbird Portable so I updated an old version and tried working with the add-on in the newly updated version.  The add-on worked, even though I hadn't done what I did in the address book in the version I updated earlier.

I hope others discuss whether the add-on works if they update.  I don't know if the add-on generally works or not and if people are going to ask that it be modified to work with the new version, we need to know if the modification is necessary.

Gene

On 7/2/2022 7:10 PM, Gene wrote:
Here is an odd thing.  The NVDA Mozilla apps enhancements didn't work when I first tried it in the new version.  I tried it again a little later and now it does.  I was playing with the address book search, and I have no idea if that changed anything regarding the layout but it works for now, at least for now, I don't know if it will continue to work.

Gene

On 7/2/2022 6:58 PM, Gene wrote:
If you want to look down the list of addresses, if you turn browse mode off in the address book and tab to the list, you can up and down arrow in it and it will appear as a standard list.  There is no first letter navigation.

Autocomplete works as before in e-mail messages.  I haven't played with the search address book feature to any extent and I'm not sure I understand it yet.

Gene

On 7/2/2022 6:50 PM, Gene via groups.io wrote:
Here, below my signature, is the page that comes up in Thunderbird the first time it runs after the update.  As you will see, the header layout has been changed, which assumedly, accounts for the NVDA Mozilla enhancements no longer working.

If people aren't aware of this, you can set Thunderbird not to update automatically and to inform you when updates are available.

Gene

New in Thunderbird 102
This article describes some of the major changes visible to users in Thunderbird version 102. Full details of all the changes can be found in the Thunderbird release notes from 102.0 and up.
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Thunderbird 102 helps you be more productive with less effort. When reading your email, the redesigned message header allows you to focus on what matters as it highlights important information. It’s also more responsive and easier to navigate. Plus, you can star important messages from the message header itself, and easily convert them into a calendar event or a task.
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Thunderbird 102 gives your contacts a serious upgrade! The refreshed design makes it easier to navigate and interact with your contacts, and helps you better understand who you’re communicating with. The new Address Book has compatibility with vCard specs, meaning if your app can export your existing contacts into vCard format, Thunderbird can import them. Each contact card also acts as a launchpad for messaging, email, and event creation.
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Thunderbird 102 makes it quick and simple to move your accounts and data around. The new step-by-step wizard provides a guided experience for importing all that data that’s important to you. We’ve also taken extra precautions to ensure that no data is accidentally duplicated in your profile after an import. Moving from Outlook, SeaMonkey, or another Thunderbird installation is easier than ever. No add-ons required!
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hi gene.
what is the best and most accessible version of thunderbird with nvda?
also, how about new versions of firefox with nvda?

On 7/3/22, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Good reasons not to update. I really don't see the need to keep the
program current if you are just using e-mail and don't care about
possible new features.

I'll be curious to see the new setup. I have a copy of Thunderbird
Portable I keep current to keep up with any problems or changes I find
in the program but for general use, I don't use the current version.

I keep one copy current out of curiosity and so I might be of help if
people ask about problems.

Gene

On 7/2/2022 4:36 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Group,

The new Thunderbird version 102.0 has some issues. the address book is
configured and different. It is similar to but not exactly like a web
page. for best results in navigating it, turn off virtual cursor and
then use tab key to get to the list of your addresses. first letter
navigation does not work as it did in the past in the address book, so
you will have to use the search field which now appears in the tab
order of the items in the address book. Type the first few letters of
an address you want to highlight and then tab to the list and you will
land on or near the proper address. Use up and down arrow keys if you
don't land exactly on the desired address. This isn't to dissimilar to
the way preferences were changed to be more like a web page a few
years ago in Thunderbird. it takes some getting used to but is quite
usable once you understand what is happening.

In addition, the Mozilla apps enhancement feature for Thunderbird is
broken. I hope the developers will be able to fix this add-on so it
works as it did in the previous versions. We should all send them
e-mails to make them aware of the issues and desirability for a fix.





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By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Gene
 

It isn't a question of accessibility.  You should use the current version of Firefox for security reasons.  It is as accessible as previous versions.

In Thunderbird, my experience is that on slower machines, version 68x is faster at opening messages than later versions.  I don't know how fast your machine is but a number of people have said, when I raised the question on a list that messages open quickly in the later version they are using.  If you are dissatisfied with the speed messages open, you may want to try 68.x.  I'd have to upload a version of 68X to a file sharing site if you want to try it.  I made minor modifications to the program such as including the Mozilla add-on that allows for first letter navigation in the folders' list.

Gene

On 7/3/2022 2:04 PM, zahra wrote:
hi gene.
what is the best and most accessible version of thunderbird with nvda?
also, how about new versions of firefox with nvda?

On 7/3/22, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Good reasons not to update.  I really don't see the need to keep the
program current if you are just using e-mail and don't care about
possible new features.

I'll be curious to see the new setup.  I have a copy of Thunderbird
Portable I keep current to keep up with any problems or changes I find
in the program but for general use, I don't use the current version.

I keep one copy current out of curiosity and so I might be of help if
people ask about problems.

Gene

On 7/2/2022 4:36 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Group,

The new Thunderbird version 102.0 has some issues. the address book is
configured and different. It is similar to but not exactly like a web
page. for best results in navigating it, turn off virtual cursor and
then use tab key to get to the list of your addresses.  first letter
navigation does not work as it did in the past in the address book, so
you will have to use the search field which now appears in the tab
order of the items in the address book. Type the first few letters of
an address you want to highlight and then tab to the list and you will
land on or near the proper address. Use up and down arrow keys if you
don't land exactly on the desired address. This isn't to dissimilar to
the way preferences were changed to be more like a web page a few
years ago in Thunderbird. it takes some getting used to but is quite
usable once you understand what is happening.

In addition, the Mozilla apps enhancement feature for Thunderbird is
broken.  I hope the developers will be able to fix this add-on so it
works as it did in the previous versions.  We should all send them
e-mails to make them aware of the issues and desirability for a fix.










Gene
 

I  should have said that I would upload a version of  68.x Portable, on which I made minor modifications.

On 7/3/2022 2:21 PM, Gene via groups.io wrote:
It isn't a question of accessibility.  You should use the current version of Firefox for security reasons.  It is as accessible as previous versions.

In Thunderbird, my experience is that on slower machines, version 68x is faster at opening messages than later versions.  I don't know how fast your machine is but a number of people have said, when I raised the question on a list that messages open quickly in the later version they are using.  If you are dissatisfied with the speed messages open, you may want to try 68.x.  I'd have to upload a version of 68X to a file sharing site if you want to try it.  I made minor modifications to the program such as including the Mozilla add-on that allows for first letter navigation in the folders' list.

Gene

On 7/3/2022 2:04 PM, zahra wrote:
hi gene.
what is the best and most accessible version of thunderbird with nvda?
also, how about new versions of firefox with nvda?

On 7/3/22, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Good reasons not to update.  I really don't see the need to keep the
program current if you are just using e-mail and don't care about
possible new features.

I'll be curious to see the new setup.  I have a copy of Thunderbird
Portable I keep current to keep up with any problems or changes I find
in the program but for general use, I don't use the current version.

I keep one copy current out of curiosity and so I might be of help if
people ask about problems.

Gene

On 7/2/2022 4:36 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Group,

The new Thunderbird version 102.0 has some issues. the address book is
configured and different. It is similar to but not exactly like a web
page. for best results in navigating it, turn off virtual cursor and
then use tab key to get to the list of your addresses.  first letter
navigation does not work as it did in the past in the address book, so
you will have to use the search field which now appears in the tab
order of the items in the address book. Type the first few letters of
an address you want to highlight and then tab to the list and you will
land on or near the proper address. Use up and down arrow keys if you
don't land exactly on the desired address. This isn't to dissimilar to
the way preferences were changed to be more like a web page a few
years ago in Thunderbird. it takes some getting used to but is quite
usable once you understand what is happening.

In addition, the Mozilla apps enhancement feature for Thunderbird is
broken.  I hope the developers will be able to fix this add-on so it
works as it did in the previous versions.  We should all send them
e-mails to make them aware of the issues and desirability for a fix.








 

The current maintainer of the Mozilla Apps Enhancements is aware of the issue(s) that have arisen with the 102.0 release of Thunderbird and is working on on a fix.

See this topic in the NVDA Add-Ons Developers group:  
Mozilla Apps Enhancements Urgent and Interim Update for Thunderbird 102.0 Users

There still remain issues as the interim update did not fix everything, and the developer knows that, too.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

        ~ Dorothy Nevill


Roger Stewart
 

I've just updated to Thunderbird 102.0.  It's working just fine here.  Only issue I have here is that progress bar showing download status is no longer read.  Hope this will be fixed in the next version of NVDA.

Roger

On 7/3/2022 2:04 PM, zahra wrote:
hi gene.
what is the best and most accessible version of thunderbird with nvda?
also, how about new versions of firefox with nvda?

On 7/3/22, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Good reasons not to update. I really don't see the need to keep the
program current if you are just using e-mail and don't care about
possible new features.

I'll be curious to see the new setup. I have a copy of Thunderbird
Portable I keep current to keep up with any problems or changes I find
in the program but for general use, I don't use the current version.

I keep one copy current out of curiosity and so I might be of help if
people ask about problems.

Gene

On 7/2/2022 4:36 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Group,

The new Thunderbird version 102.0 has some issues. the address book is
configured and different. It is similar to but not exactly like a web
page. for best results in navigating it, turn off virtual cursor and
then use tab key to get to the list of your addresses. first letter
navigation does not work as it did in the past in the address book, so
you will have to use the search field which now appears in the tab
order of the items in the address book. Type the first few letters of
an address you want to highlight and then tab to the list and you will
land on or near the proper address. Use up and down arrow keys if you
don't land exactly on the desired address. This isn't to dissimilar to
the way preferences were changed to be more like a web page a few
years ago in Thunderbird. it takes some getting used to but is quite
usable once you understand what is happening.

In addition, the Mozilla apps enhancement feature for Thunderbird is
broken. I hope the developers will be able to fix this add-on so it
works as it did in the previous versions. We should all send them
e-mails to make them aware of the issues and desirability for a fix.





 

AAh yeah same here.

Its the only thing thats not showing up.

Its fine for sending progress but not download.

On 4/07/2022 10:00 am, Roger Stewart wrote:
I've just updated to Thunderbird 102.0.  It's working just fine here. Only issue I have here is that progress bar showing download status is no longer read.  Hope this will be fixed in the next version of NVDA.

Roger







On 7/3/2022 2:04 PM, zahra wrote:
hi gene.
what is the best and most accessible version of thunderbird with nvda?
also, how about new versions of firefox with nvda?

On 7/3/22, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Good reasons not to update.  I really don't see the need to keep the
program current if you are just using e-mail and don't care about
possible new features.

I'll be curious to see the new setup.  I have a copy of Thunderbird
Portable I keep current to keep up with any problems or changes I find
in the program but for general use, I don't use the current version.

I keep one copy current out of curiosity and so I might be of help if
people ask about problems.

Gene

On 7/2/2022 4:36 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Group,

The new Thunderbird version 102.0 has some issues. the address book is
configured and different. It is similar to but not exactly like a web
page. for best results in navigating it, turn off virtual cursor and
then use tab key to get to the list of your addresses. first letter
navigation does not work as it did in the past in the address book, so
you will have to use the search field which now appears in the tab
order of the items in the address book. Type the first few letters of
an address you want to highlight and then tab to the list and you will
land on or near the proper address. Use up and down arrow keys if you
don't land exactly on the desired address. This isn't to dissimilar to
the way preferences were changed to be more like a web page a few
years ago in Thunderbird. it takes some getting used to but is quite
usable once you understand what is happening.

In addition, the Mozilla apps enhancement feature for Thunderbird is
broken.  I hope the developers will be able to fix this add-on so it
works as it did in the previous versions.  We should all send them
e-mails to make them aware of the issues and desirability for a fix.








Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Brian,

Great news!  i had sent the developers a private e-mail based on the info in the help/about add-on.  It's nice to know that they are that diligent.  Thunderbird is mostly accessible as is now--except for the add-on.  As mentioned in my previous post, the address book functions a bit differently and this tool bar business is a bit different, but once you get used to it, if they can fix the add-on, it will be fully accessible again.


On 7/3/2022 5:26 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
The current maintainer of the Mozilla Apps Enhancements is aware of the issue(s) that have arisen with the 102.0 release of Thunderbird and is working on on a fix.

See this topic in the NVDA Add-Ons Developers group:  
Mozilla Apps Enhancements Urgent and Interim Update for Thunderbird 102.0 Users

There still remain issues as the interim update did not fix everything, and the developer knows that, too.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

        ~ Dorothy Nevill


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