NVDA 2020.4 Beta 1 now available
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Quentin Christensen
Hi everyone, Lazily copying my tweet - so you get everything in one sentence: NVDA 2020.4Beta1 is now available for testing, including new Chinese Input methods, an update to Liblouis, the elements list now works in focus mode, context sensitive help pressing F1 in NVDA dialogs & heaps more! Read more and download from: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2020-4beta1/ As usual, please do report any issues on GitHub. Kind regards Quentin. Quentin Christensen Training and Support Manager Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/ Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/ User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess Twitter: @NVAccess
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Rosemarie Chavarria
Hi, Quentin,
I just downloaded this new version of NVDA and it's working great so-far.
Rosemarie
On 12/16/2020 2:13 PM, Quentin
Christensen wrote:
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molly the blind tech lover
I just downloaded the beta. Works great. I love that new f1 help feature.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2020 5:14 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2020.4 Beta 1 now available
Hi everyone,
Lazily copying my tweet - so you get everything in one sentence: NVDA 2020.4Beta1 is now available for testing, including new Chinese Input methods, an update to Liblouis, the elements list now works in focus mode, context sensitive help pressing F1 in NVDA dialogs & heaps more!
Read more and download from: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2020-4beta1/
As usual, please do report any issues on GitHub.
Kind regards
Quentin.
-- Quentin Christensen
Web: www.nvaccess.org Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/ Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/ User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
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Christo de Klerk
Hi Quentin
Some months ago I raised the matter of
the LibLouis Afrikaans grade 2 table not being included in NVDA.
The response was that LibLouis developers should notify NVDA
developers that the table is available for inclusion. I then
raised it on the LibLouis list and as the developer of the table
assured everybody that the table was fine for both forward and
back translation and should be included in other products which it
currently is, except for NVDA. Joseph took part in that
discussion. The LibLouis developers seemed unaware that they
officially had to let NVDA developers know about the table.
I honestly don't know what to do any
more to get the table included. We need it here in our country and
it has been included with every version of LibLouis since
September last year. Please can you assist.
Kind regards
Christo
On 2020/12/17 12:13 am, Quentin
Christensen wrote:
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Hi, Supersonic jet is on its way – expect something from me within the next 30 minutes (i.e. I’m going to submit a pull request that will make your dream into a reality before I sleep tonight, although I don’t know if I might sleep given I drank too much coffee this morning in preparation for a final exam…). Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christo de Klerk
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2020 11:34 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2020.4 Beta 1 now available
Hi Quentin
Some months ago I raised the matter of the LibLouis Afrikaans grade 2 table not being included in NVDA. The response was that LibLouis developers should notify NVDA developers that the table is available for inclusion. I then raised it on the LibLouis list and as the developer of the table assured everybody that the table was fine for both forward and back translation and should be included in other products which it currently is, except for NVDA. Joseph took part in that discussion. The LibLouis developers seemed unaware that they officially had to let NVDA developers know about the table.
I honestly don't know what to do any more to get the table included. We need it here in our country and it has been included with every version of LibLouis since September last year. Please can you assist.
Kind regards
Christo
On 2020/12/17 12:13 am, Quentin Christensen wrote:
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Hi, The supersonic jet has landed:
I asked NV Access and other reviewers to take care of this before final 2020.4 localization data is sent to translators. Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christo de Klerk
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2020 11:34 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2020.4 Beta 1 now available
Hi Quentin
Some months ago I raised the matter of the LibLouis Afrikaans grade 2 table not being included in NVDA. The response was that LibLouis developers should notify NVDA developers that the table is available for inclusion. I then raised it on the LibLouis list and as the developer of the table assured everybody that the table was fine for both forward and back translation and should be included in other products which it currently is, except for NVDA. Joseph took part in that discussion. The LibLouis developers seemed unaware that they officially had to let NVDA developers know about the table.
I honestly don't know what to do any more to get the table included. We need it here in our country and it has been included with every version of LibLouis since September last year. Please can you assist.
Kind regards
Christo
On 2020/12/17 12:13 am, Quentin Christensen wrote:
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Christo de Klerk
Many thanks, Joseph, much appreciated.
Kind regards
Christo
On 2020/12/17 10:10 am, Joseph Lee
wrote:
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Christo de Klerk
And I wish you everything of the very
best for your exams, but I know you will pass it with flying
colours in your supersonic jet.
Kind regards
Christo
On 2020/12/17 09:42am, Joseph Lee
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Jim Pipczak
Hi all,
I believe that the beta should be installed into its own directory and not overwrite the existing full version. Your thoughts would be appreciated.
Thanks, Jim
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, 17 December 2020 9:14 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2020.4 Beta 1 now available
Hi everyone,
Lazily copying my tweet - so you get everything in one sentence: NVDA 2020.4Beta1 is now available for testing, including new Chinese Input methods, an update to Liblouis, the elements list now works in focus mode, context sensitive help pressing F1 in NVDA dialogs & heaps more!
Read more and download from: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2020-4beta1/
As usual, please do report any issues on GitHub.
Kind regards
Quentin.
-- Quentin Christensen
Web: www.nvaccess.org Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/ Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/ User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess Jim Pipczak
Access Technology Service Development Lead Client Services Vision Australia 14 & 17 Barrett Street Kensington VIC 3031 M: +614 3375 7598 T: +613 8378 1243 (I: 344243) E: Jim.Pipczak@... www.visionaustralia.org Vision Australia is committed to supporting the blind and low vision community through COVID-19. Find out about our response and free support resources online at www.visionaustralia.org/COVID19.
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Quentin Christensen
Jim, Interesting point. The way it works currently is that: - We regularly release Alpha snapshots every few days or sometimes several times a day, regardless of where else we are in the release cycle - Three or four weeks before a release, we release a beta version. If any bugs are found, we release a second (or third etc) beta. This time around, the beta will have a little longer so we didn't either rush things to push a release before Christmas, or leave it entirely until next year. - A week or so before the release, we put out a "Release Candidate" (RC) build. Again, if any issues are found, we go to RC2, RC3 etc. - Once all the big bugs have been ironed out (or pulled), we put out the final version. The Beta and RC versions are set by default to prompt to update as new beta or RC builds, or the final stable version comes out. If we were to have the beta install in a separate place, then it would make that sequence more complex. And it would also be one more thing to change at some point (when we move to the RC? Or only when we move to the stable version?) - and of course, any change is an opportunity to break something. That's my thoughts off the top of my head, but it's an idea I'm happy to take more thoughts on. Quentin.
On Tue, Dec 22, 2020 at 10:20 AM Jim Pipczak <jim.pipczak@...> wrote:
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Dan Miner
I’m on the side of parallel install for the beta line. I’ve done it both ways over my career as software a developer and yes there is a bit more complexity with the release management side of it… but it is safer for users and potentially easier to switch back and forth if provisioned for in the project. Saying that, I see the complexity of that with the logon screen support and roaming settings stuff.
I've not participated in trying a beta as I thought this was the case and I just don't want to crater my box. *grin*
Dan
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2020 2:45 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2020.4 Beta 1 now available
Jim,
Interesting point. The way it works currently is that: - We regularly release Alpha snapshots every few days or sometimes several times a day, regardless of where else we are in the release cycle - Three or four weeks before a release, we release a beta version. If any bugs are found, we release a second (or third etc) beta. This time around, the beta will have a little longer so we didn't either rush things to push a release before Christmas, or leave it entirely until next year. - A week or so before the release, we put out a "Release Candidate" (RC) build. Again, if any issues are found, we go to RC2, RC3 etc. - Once all the big bugs have been ironed out (or pulled), we put out the final version.
The Beta and RC versions are set by default to prompt to update as new beta or RC builds, or the final stable version comes out. If we were to have the beta install in a separate place, then it would make that sequence more complex. And it would also be one more thing to change at some point (when we move to the RC? Or only when we move to the stable version?) - and of course, any change is an opportunity to break something.
That's my thoughts off the top of my head, but it's an idea I'm happy to take more thoughts on.
Quentin.
On Tue, Dec 22, 2020 at 10:20 AM Jim Pipczak <jim.pipczak@...> wrote: Hi all,
I believe that the beta should be installed into its own directory and not overwrite the existing full version. Your thoughts would be appreciated.
Thanks, Jim
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen Sent: Thursday, 17 December 2020 9:14 AM Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2020.4 Beta 1 now available
Hi everyone,
Lazily copying my tweet - so you get everything in one sentence: NVDA 2020.4Beta1 is now available for testing, including new Chinese Input methods, an update to Liblouis, the elements list now works in focus mode, context sensitive help pressing F1 in NVDA dialogs & heaps more!
Read more and download from: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2020-4beta1/
As usual, please do report any issues on GitHub.
Kind regards
Quentin.
-- Quentin Christensen Training and Support Manager
Web: www.nvaccess.org Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/ Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/ User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess Twitter: @NVAccess
Jim Pipczak Access Technology Service Development Lead Client Services Vision Australia 14 & 17 Barrett Street Kensington VIC 3031
M: +614 3375 7598 T: +613 8378 1243 (I: 344243)
Vision Australia is committed to supporting the blind and low vision community through COVID-19. Find out about our response and free support resources online at www.visionaustralia.org/COVID19.
Vision Australia acknowledges Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people as the traditional custodians of the land on which we operate. We have an inclusive culture and value diversity and all abilities.
-- Quentin Christensen Training and Support Manager
Web: www.nvaccess.org Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/ Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/ User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess Twitter: @NVAccess
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Hi, This is one of the reasons for using betas as portable copies. Although you won’t be able to test everything, it should give you a feel as to what’s new and changed (and a few months from now, add-ons that must be updated). Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Miner via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2020 9:52 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2020.4 Beta 1 now available
I’m on the side of parallel install for the beta line. I’ve done it both ways over my career as software a developer and yes there is a bit more complexity with the release management side of it… but it is safer for users and potentially easier to switch back and forth if provisioned for in the project. Saying that, I see the complexity of that with the logon screen support and roaming settings stuff.
I've not participated in trying a beta as I thought this was the case and I just don't want to crater my box. *grin*
Dan
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2020 2:45 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2020.4 Beta 1 now available
Jim,
Interesting point. The way it works currently is that: - We regularly release Alpha snapshots every few days or sometimes several times a day, regardless of where else we are in the release cycle - Three or four weeks before a release, we release a beta version. If any bugs are found, we release a second (or third etc) beta. This time around, the beta will have a little longer so we didn't either rush things to push a release before Christmas, or leave it entirely until next year. - A week or so before the release, we put out a "Release Candidate" (RC) build. Again, if any issues are found, we go to RC2, RC3 etc. - Once all the big bugs have been ironed out (or pulled), we put out the final version.
The Beta and RC versions are set by default to prompt to update as new beta or RC builds, or the final stable version comes out. If we were to have the beta install in a separate place, then it would make that sequence more complex. And it would also be one more thing to change at some point (when we move to the RC? Or only when we move to the stable version?) - and of course, any change is an opportunity to break something.
That's my thoughts off the top of my head, but it's an idea I'm happy to take more thoughts on.
Quentin.
On Tue, Dec 22, 2020 at 10:20 AM Jim Pipczak <jim.pipczak@...> wrote: Hi all,
I believe that the beta should be installed into its own directory and not overwrite the existing full version. Your thoughts would be appreciated.
Thanks, Jim
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen Sent: Thursday, 17 December 2020 9:14 AM Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2020.4 Beta 1 now available
Hi everyone,
Lazily copying my tweet - so you get everything in one sentence: NVDA 2020.4Beta1 is now available for testing, including new Chinese Input methods, an update to Liblouis, the elements list now works in focus mode, context sensitive help pressing F1 in NVDA dialogs & heaps more!
Read more and download from: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2020-4beta1/
As usual, please do report any issues on GitHub.
Kind regards
Quentin.
-- Quentin Christensen Training and Support Manager
Web: www.nvaccess.org Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/ Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/ User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess Twitter: @NVAccess
Jim Pipczak Access Technology Service Development Lead Client Services Vision Australia 14 & 17 Barrett Street Kensington VIC 3031
M: +614 3375 7598 T: +613 8378 1243 (I: 344243)
Vision Australia is committed to supporting the blind and low vision community through COVID-19. Find out about our response and free support resources online at www.visionaustralia.org/COVID19.
Vision Australia acknowledges Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people as the traditional custodians of the land on which we operate. We have an inclusive culture and value diversity and all abilities.
-- Quentin Christensen Training and Support Manager
Web: www.nvaccess.org Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/ Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/ User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess Twitter: @NVAccess
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Peter Chin
Hello Moses,
Sorry for the delay in replying.
Using Window-Eyes screenreader on Windows8.1, I found very little
difference in the two versions you sent me. I have not tried using other
screenreaders as I am not very familiar with them. I did slightly prefer the OB
version as there seemed to be fewer strange punctuation.
Thanks for sending.
From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 6:13 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2020.4 Beta 1 now available Hi everyone,
Lazily copying my tweet - so you get everything in one sentence: NVDA
2020.4Beta1 is now available for testing, including new Chinese Input
methods, an update to Liblouis, the elements list now works in focus mode,
context sensitive help pressing F1 in NVDA dialogs & heaps more!
Read more and download from: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2020-4beta1/
As usual, please do report any issues on GitHub.
Kind regards
Quentin. Quentin
Christensen
Training and Support Manager Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess Twitter: @NVAccess
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Quentin Christensen
Peter, Did you intend to reply to this thread? Only this thread started life as being about a new NVDA beta (and you haven't commented in it before, nor has anyone called Moses). Quentin.
On Thu, Feb 4, 2021 at 4:16 PM Peter Chin <peter.chinpk@...> wrote:
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Afik Souffir
Hi,
When the official release should be?
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Quentin Christensen <quentin@...>
Sent: Thursday, February 4, 2021 7:37:34 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2020.4 Beta 1 now available Peter,
Did you intend to reply to this thread? Only this thread started life as being about a new NVDA beta (and you haven't commented in it before, nor has anyone called Moses).
Quentin.
On Thu, Feb 4, 2021 at 4:16 PM Peter Chin <peter.chinpk@...> wrote:
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess
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Bobby Vinton <vinton.bobby5277@...>
Well nvda 2020.4 baita 4 is out. Just correcting you and every
one posting to the list.
On 2/4/2021 12:47 AM, Afik Souffir
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Quentin Christensen
Indeed, thanks Bobby, yes 2020.4beta4 is out :) I didn't even get into that since it looked like Peter had simply posted to the wrong thread. Anyone who missed the more recent announcement about that can read the full info and download here: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2020-4beta4/ And we're about to put out a release candidate soon, so the final version will be out a week or so after that - unless we hit any bugs and go to RC2, in which case push that back by a week or so :) Quentin.
On Thu, Feb 4, 2021 at 4:56 PM Bobby Vinton <vinton.bobby5277@...> wrote:
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