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David Russell <david.sonofhashem@...>
Hello NVDA,
I want to broaden something stated by a member, Darkmad88, in his recent post concerning WatsApp. Unfortunately, WhatsApp web/desktop now is less comfortable to use with screenreaders because of lost ability to select text and other issues. Me. This issue exists with two specific groups to which membership is ongoing: Critique Circle and to a lesser extent, Jericho Writers. It occurs especially when wanting to submit a story in Critique Circle. Fields are not clearly distinguished to the screen reader user or are misleading in sequence. This resulted when the interface underwent change some months ago. I brought this to the attention of admin, and they are slow to 'add hints' as they put it to better aid screen reader users. One has to be a registered member of Critique Circle in order to fully participate. Other features such as blog, forums, etc., have remained fairly accessible. Another group, Jericho Writers, asks one to make sure 'the auto-fill feature' is turned off in Google when logging in to that site as a member. The pattern: sites are changing ways of doing business that put screen reader users in a sort of mad scramble. What's with all this shouting about leveling the accessibility playing field? -- David C. Russell, Author david.sonofhashem@... Forgiveness is the final form of love. Reinhold Niebuhr |
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You need to advocate. There is an acronym which spells advocate that can help you. I need to look up the article as it is well written by a friend of mine, if you do not, or fail to do so, they cannot, will not, might not even help you.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Russell Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2022 6:15 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Pattern Hello NVDA, I want to broaden something stated by a member, Darkmad88, in his recent post concerning WatsApp. Unfortunately, WhatsApp web/desktop now is less comfortable to use with screenreaders because of lost ability to select text and other issues. Me. This issue exists with two specific groups to which membership is ongoing: Critique Circle and to a lesser extent, Jericho Writers. It occurs especially when wanting to submit a story in Critique Circle. Fields are not clearly distinguished to the screen reader user or are misleading in sequence. This resulted when the interface underwent change some months ago. I brought this to the attention of admin, and they are slow to 'add hints' as they put it to better aid screen reader users. One has to be a registered member of Critique Circle in order to fully participate. Other features such as blog, forums, etc., have remained fairly accessible. Another group, Jericho Writers, asks one to make sure 'the auto-fill feature' is turned off in Google when logging in to that site as a member. The pattern: sites are changing ways of doing business that put screen reader users in a sort of mad scramble. What's with all this shouting about leveling the accessibility playing field? -- David C. Russell, Author david.sonofhashem@... Forgiveness is the final form of love. Reinhold Niebuhr |
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On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 10:52 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
You need to advocate.- Amen, Sarah! Brian Gaff said essentially the same thing on the topic that spawned this one, "[you] have a duty to report accessibility changes." Changes can and do make it "out to the wild" that are of the "one or more steps back" variety. There are also just badly designed things that need to be rectified. Even companies that have a strong commitment to accessibility do not have cadres of hundreds of testers using screen readers and those that they do have are not doing comprehensive human-monitored regression testing for each and every change. It's not cost effective. So when an accessibility problem exists, it's almost certain to continue to exist without actual users in the field reporting those issues. And that is a form of direct advocacy. -- It used to be understood that if you published and profited from a mass media platform you should also be responsible for its content. That idea is nowadays considered quaintly archaic. There is no real accountability, and almost limitless ability to post any kind of ridiculous and scurrilous nonsense. God help us. ~ Ross Goldbaum, Letter to the New York Times, Regulating Media: It’s Now Seen as a Quaint Idea, November 13, 2022 |
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Brian's Mail list account
Yes but the advice about reading what is online with a strong pinch of salt, really is conditional that the web site lets you actually get to the rubbish in the first place. I've found a new, well new to me breed of web display of a paper magazine apparently looks wonderful, but in the process it seems to be completely inaccessible, a bit like the way Flash content used to be. I have to then find the magazine publisher and ask for an accessible copy, which usually comes as an untagged pdf on a cloud somewhere, which often is still a nightmare due to the variable columns. I often find that I spend more time explaining why stuff does not work, than reading the magazine, and eventually you simply get so exasperated you push off and never darken their doorstep again. Is that what they really want?
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Brian -- bglists@... Sent via blueyonder.(Virgin media) Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2022 4:00 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Pattern On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 10:52 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote: - Amen, Sarah! Brian Gaff said essentially the same thing on the topic that spawned this one, "[you] have a duty to report accessibility changes. " Changes can and do make it "out to the wild" that are of the "one or more steps back" variety. There are also just badly designed things that need to be rectified. Even companies that have a strong commitment to accessibility do not have cadres of hundreds of testers using screen readers and those that they do have are not doing comprehensive human-monitored regression testing for each and every change. It's not cost effective. So when an accessibility problem exists, it's almost certain to continue to exist without actual users in the field reporting those issues. And that is a form of direct advocacy. -- It used to be understood that if you published and profited from a mass media platform you should also be responsible for its content. That idea is nowadays considered quaintly archaic. There is no real accountability, and almost limitless ability to post any kind of ridiculous and scurrilous nonsense. God help us. ~ Ross Goldbaum, Letter to the New York Times , *Regulating Media* : It’s Now Seen as a Quaint Idea ( https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/13/opinion/letters/lgbt-gay-queer.html?unlocked_article_code=Cl2WWm1HQ_zCiKdsJsYVPe7BCcvGmpAR4XYhXOT65_klpe4W5ZE5yKLwxjjj5FOKbJvCqJRyAkEe4CyWWBKaPbA8VD56UGKLnRTzuR2OMPQNRAG48gD9LEWkg70cspvjFJTxkmAQwp0LD5oGQy1QAuaclTYVJQg8lbv0oFv67C5YQe-Xu2OEExFOsgMn262oX4rGs3e9a0qcNAXXDOGe7yCfqduZpjuGX5SvdUcsdzbvl0ywgXPDNtu7-kLwGhfXM62S_dC5i4IcdI79tVQADle0d4bV1XR4O75HB-knCzhBZt7-VnT2bDGpjvbNqiaGla9kEdBPpWoe0jmJE0kF&smid=share-url ) , November 13, 2022 |
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