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NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

Hi,
How is windows narrator compared to JAWS and NVDA?
I realize I'm opening up a can of worms, but I need the information for a presentation.
Chris

特種兵
 

I think that's bring war

thank you for much
Logo Kuo from Taiwan

Chris Shook 於 2019/2/8 上午 11:04 寫道:

Hi,
How is windows narrator compared to JAWS and NVDA?
I realize I'm opening up a can of worms, but I need the information for a presentation.
Chris

David Moore
 

Hi!

This is a great question, and I can give you some good information!

I use Narrator more than I do JAWS, and 60 percent as much as NVDA.

Of course, this is using Windows 10 1809 build, and Narrator is even a little better in the insider builds relating to the next build, 1903.

Here is just a little of what I use Narrator for.

One:

I do everything on the Internet with Narrator using Chrome and MS Edge browsers.

Two:

I use Narrator to do everything with my emails in the Windows 10 Mail app!

Three:

I use Narrator with the following Windows 10 apps:

The News app, Twitter app, The weather app, the Skype app, Mail, Calendar, and People apps.

I write tutorials with Narrator using Notepad and Google docs using Waterfox.

Narrator also works well with Waterfox browser.

I use Narrator to navigate all of Windows 10 including the settings app, start menu, control panel, and much more.

I use Narrator a lot, to get NVDA and JAWS to start again.

Sometimes, JAWS and NVDA lock up, and Narrator gets me out of a lot of jams.

I have used Narrator twice, to reset both of my laptops to factory defaults.

Narrator is a pretty good screen reader, now, I believe.

I would put NVDA first, then Narrator, then unbelievably, JAWS third.

I only use JAWS for a couple of tasks. JAWS does not work with hardly any of the Windows 10 apps, but Narrator does.

I hope that helps you do your presentation.

Email me off list if you need anymore help!

David Moore

 

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From: 特種兵
Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 10:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

 

 

  I think that's bring war

 

thank you for much

Logo Kuo from Taiwan

 

Chris Shook 2019/2/8 上午 11:04 寫道:

> Hi,

> How is windows narrator compared to JAWS and NVDA?

> I realize I'm opening up a can of worms, but I need the information

> for a presentation.

> Chris

>

 

 

 

 

Steve Nutt
 

What version of JAWS do you have and what Windows 10 apps doesn’t it work with?

 

I find JAWS works with Windows 10 apps better than NVDA.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: 08 February 2019 06:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

 

Hi!

This is a great question, and I can give you some good information!

I use Narrator more than I do JAWS, and 60 percent as much as NVDA.

Of course, this is using Windows 10 1809 build, and Narrator is even a little better in the insider builds relating to the next build, 1903.

Here is just a little of what I use Narrator for.

One:

I do everything on the Internet with Narrator using Chrome and MS Edge browsers.

Two:

I use Narrator to do everything with my emails in the Windows 10 Mail app!

Three:

I use Narrator with the following Windows 10 apps:

The News app, Twitter app, The weather app, the Skype app, Mail, Calendar, and People apps.

I write tutorials with Narrator using Notepad and Google docs using Waterfox.

Narrator also works well with Waterfox browser.

I use Narrator to navigate all of Windows 10 including the settings app, start menu, control panel, and much more.

I use Narrator a lot, to get NVDA and JAWS to start again.

Sometimes, JAWS and NVDA lock up, and Narrator gets me out of a lot of jams.

I have used Narrator twice, to reset both of my laptops to factory defaults.

Narrator is a pretty good screen reader, now, I believe.

I would put NVDA first, then Narrator, then unbelievably, JAWS third.

I only use JAWS for a couple of tasks. JAWS does not work with hardly any of the Windows 10 apps, but Narrator does.

I hope that helps you do your presentation.

Email me off list if you need anymore help!

David Moore

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: 特種兵
Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 10:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

 

 

  I think that's bring war

 

thank you for much

Logo Kuo from Taiwan

 

Chris Shook 2019/2/8 上午 11:04 寫道:

> Hi,

> How is windows narrator compared to JAWS and NVDA?

> I realize I'm opening up a can of worms, but I need the information

> for a presentation.

> Chris

>

 

 

 

 

Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

THank you for the information.
I'm trying narrator now to get a better feel for it, but I'm having trouble navigating word documents. It doesn't want to read the text in the document. Is there something special you have to do with Microsoft word to make it read the documents?
Thanks Chris

Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

Actually, it's narrator. I'm having trouble reading a Microsoft word document. I can see the title bar and the items around it, but I'm having trouble interacting with the text. b

molly the blind tech lover
 

Hi.
To read a Microsoft word document with Narrator I think you have to press
caps lock plus R. That will start reading from the Narrator cursor.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Shook
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 9:18 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

Actually, it's narrator. I'm having trouble reading a Microsoft word
document. I can see the title bar and the items around it, but I'm having
trouble interacting with the text. b

Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

Narrator key plus R. didn't help.
Thanks for trying Molly. I appreciate the effort.
Chris

molly the blind tech lover
 

No problem. I'll play around with Narrator in a Microsoft word document and
see if I can't figure this thing out. I'll get a better idea on how to go
about helping you.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Shook
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 10:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

Narrator key plus R. didn't help.
Thanks for trying Molly. I appreciate the effort.
Chris

Gene
 

What version of Windows are you using?  and not just a version like Windows 10, but the subversion, if there is such a word.  Narrator has changed dramatically over time in Windows 10. 
 
Gene

Sent: Friday, February 08, 2019 9:26 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

Narrator key plus R. didn't help.
Thanks for trying Molly. I appreciate the effort.
Chris


Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

Thanks Molly,
What I'm trying to do is read the body of the document, but all I seem to be able to do is access the menus and ribbons.
Chris

Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

Windows 10 version 1809.

Gene
 

If you can't up and down arrow in Word and read, then no other commands will allow you to read.  In an article I found about Narrator, dated sometime in the summer of 2018, Word is used as an example when reading documents is discussed.  What version of Word are you using?
 
Gene

Sent: Friday, February 08, 2019 10:51 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

Windows 10 version 1809.


Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

It's an old version. Microsoft office 2010.

 

I am running Win10, Version 1809, Home, 64-bit and just tested with Word 2010 and Word 2016.

Narrator will not read document text in Word 2010, but will read it in Word 2016.  This is really not surprising, as Microsoft is not going to try to reach into the wayback machine to ensure infinite backward compatibility between Narrator, which came on the scene with Windows 8, and versions of Office that far predate that OS.

If someone has Word 2013 it would be interesting to know whether Narrator works with it.  This was the first version of Word that has a "look and feel" that's very similar to that in use today.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 

 

As an interesting aside I find the Guide to Narrator that comes up when you use it the first time (and will come up again unless you check the checkbox on the first screen telling it not to) quite useful.  The Narrator Key is either CAPS LOCK or INSERT, so very familiar to JAWS or NVDA users (probably Window Eyes, too, but I haven't touched it in too long to remember).

The Narrator+F1 sequence brings up a searchable list of all Narrator commands and Narrator+1 does a learning mode.

I really need to start working with Narrator more intensively.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 

Gene
 

That might be why.  Whenever discussing questions of this type, it is important to give the versions of what is being used.
 
Gene

Sent: Friday, February 08, 2019 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

It's an old version. Microsoft office 2010.


Brad Snyder
 

The “Wayback Machine”, eh?  Love it.

- Brad -




On Feb 8, 2019, at 12:25, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

I am running Win10, Version 1809, Home, 64-bit and just tested with Word 2010 and Word 2016.

Narrator will not read document text in Word 2010, but will read it in Word 2016.  This is really not surprising, as Microsoft is not going to try to reach into the wayback machine to ensure infinite backward compatibility between Narrator, which came on the scene with Windows 8, and versions of Office that far predate that OS.

If someone has Word 2013 it would be interesting to know whether Narrator works with it.  This was the first version of Word that has a "look and feel" that's very similar to that in use today.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 
 

molly the blind tech lover
 

Do you guys know if Windows 7 had Narrator? I had a windows 7 machine but I can’t recall if it had Narrator.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 2:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

 

The “Wayback Machine”, eh?  Love it.


- Brad -


 

On Feb 8, 2019, at 12:25, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

 

I am running Win10, Version 1809, Home, 64-bit and just tested with Word 2010 and Word 2016.

Narrator will not read document text in Word 2010, but will read it in Word 2016.  This is really not surprising, as Microsoft is not going to try to reach into the wayback machine to ensure infinite backward compatibility between Narrator, which came on the scene with Windows 8, and versions of Office that far predate that OS.

If someone has Word 2013 it would be interesting to know whether Narrator works with it.  This was the first version of Word that has a "look and feel" that's very similar to that in use today.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 

 

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Molly,

 

Yes, windows 7 has narrator. The voice on it is called Anna.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 12:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

 

Do you guys know if Windows 7 had Narrator? I had a windows 7 machine but I can’t recall if it had Narrator.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 2:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

 

The “Wayback Machine”, eh?  Love it.


- Brad -

 

On Feb 8, 2019, at 12:25, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

 

I am running Win10, Version 1809, Home, 64-bit and just tested with Word 2010 and Word 2016.

Narrator will not read document text in Word 2010, but will read it in Word 2016.  This is really not surprising, as Microsoft is not going to try to reach into the wayback machine to ensure infinite backward compatibility between Narrator, which came on the scene with Windows 8, and versions of Office that far predate that OS.

If someone has Word 2013 it would be interesting to know whether Narrator works with it.  This was the first version of Word that has a "look and feel" that's very similar to that in use today.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back