NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator


molly the blind tech lover
 

Well my parents had a computer back in early 2000. It probably ran windows xp. It had something called AOL. I don’t know what that is.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2019 11:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

 

I don’t think Narrator was on XP to be honest.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: 08 February 2019 23:12
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

 

all windows from xp had narator.

But to be honest, narator on anything before 10 wasn't much good, aparently windows 2000 had narator and aparently it was usable then but who knows.

 

On 9/02/2019 9:06 AM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

Do you guys know if Windows 7 had Narrator? I had a windows 7 machine but I can’t recall if it had Narrator.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 2:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

 

The “Wayback Machine”, eh?  Love it.


- Brad -


 

On Feb 8, 2019, at 12:25, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

 

I am running Win10, Version 1809, Home, 64-bit and just tested with Word 2010 and Word 2016.

Narrator will not read document text in Word 2010, but will read it in Word 2016.  This is really not surprising, as Microsoft is not going to try to reach into the wayback machine to ensure infinite backward compatibility between Narrator, which came on the scene with Windows 8, and versions of Office that far predate that OS.

If someone has Word 2013 it would be interesting to know whether Narrator works with it.  This was the first version of Word that has a "look and feel" that's very similar to that in use today.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 

 


Steve Nutt
 

Don’t know, I’m not seeing that here.  On my SSD on my desktop, JAWS takes about 15 seconds from boot.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover
Sent: 09 February 2019 10:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

 

I’ve noticed something about Jaws lately. When I turn it on it takes like a minute to load. I’ve also been getting a lot of error reports lately. What’s up with that?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2019 1:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

 

To be honest, jaws is a screen reader.

Nvda is what narator should have been a basic screen reader with extra features.

Narator is well, people call it a screen reader.

Thats true if its an ms app, but it doesn't do everything, even nvda does more than that.

But this poster is right, narator carries such a stigma with it that when it finally gets good, its name carries a crappy past.

I would rely on narator for some stuff but its more limited than nvda.

The only reason nvda is better than jaws and others in most respects is because it uses the os for most of its access and not some interseptor.

I am unsure why the rest don't inovate but neither jaws or dolphin seem to be moving fast, or in the case of jaws like microsoft seem to be trying to reinvent themselves all the time with stuff that makes you shake your head.

For nvda what I can see as advantage is mainly the speed of development, and the fact if say I want a feature, I put it out there and see.

Sometimes it pays off, sometimes not, and if a user wants to experiment they can go here is this thing, does it work or is it crap.

And then its a hit, no strings.

Look at toolbars explorer.

I remember when it was an idea.

It caught on so quick.

Firstly it was an idea.

By the end of the day an item, 2 days, something that could be something.

A week later it was something, and a month or so later its a really good thing that is making a mark.

There is no high pricetag to get that extra module for no reason or extra licence to access another windows addition without any new features.

There is no lagging behind with things.

Everyone has advantages for and against but still.

 

 

On 9/02/2019 6:29 PM, Kwork wrote:

Narrator in Windows 7 was a joke. Not even worth talking about in my opinion. It could read its own introduction screen and not much more. LOL! Microsoft Anna was a decent enough text to speech voice, but she worked better in NVDA as a SAPI 5 voice rather than windows' joke of a screenreader they called Narrator.

Brian V is correct. The name of the Windows native screenreader should probably be changed. Otherwise we'll be educating people for years who remember the joke that first debuted, to the best of my knowledge, in Windows xp.

Travis

On 2/8/2019 1:42 PM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

I’m assuming Narrator in windows 7 was in the settings app? I don’t think my machine even had a settings app.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of bob jutzi
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 3:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

 

Yes.  Windows 7 had Narrator.

 

On 2/8/2019 3:29 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 03:06 PM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

Do you guys know if Windows 7 had Narrator? I had a windows 7 machine but I can’t recall if it had Narrator.

There's been a version of Narrator around for a very long time.  Prior to Windows 10 it really was a joke.

Microsoft started taking accessibility much more seriously starting with Windows 8, with lots of refining occurring after that (and still ongoing).  Even Narrator in Windows 10 prior to Version 1809 is not the same animal as Narrator now (with now being Version 1809).

Hence my reaction earlier about talking about things that have the same name, under different versions of Windows, being senseless.  Even talking pre-1809 and post-1809 Narrator in Windows 10 is, if not apples and oranges, is kumquats and oranges.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 

 


 

i wish to test them, but how can i install these great voices which
you mention on windows xp?

On 2/9/19, molly the blind tech lover <brainardmolly@gmail.com> wrote:
You might like to try the new Microsoft voices. They're pretty good.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2019 6:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

microsoft sam!
its the worst and most terrible voice that i heard in my life!
i really hate it and never can tolerate it.

On 2/9/19, molly the blind tech lover <brainardmolly@gmail.com> wrote:
Didn’t Microsoft sam sound kind of garbled? Like he was hard to
understand.




From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k
Alawami
Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2019 12:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator



Windows 2000 had sam. I remember using it on someone's very old
computer in 2004. I think it was baught in 98? I wouldn't know as I
was not around then at this person's house.



On 8 Feb 2019, at 18:09, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

What voice did windows 2000 have for narrator? I jumped from XP to
windows 7 and that system had Microsoft Anna.







From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 3:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator



all windows from xp had narator.

But to be honest, narator on anything before 10 wasn't much good,
aparently windows 2000 had narator and aparently it was usable then but
who knows.



On 9/02/2019 9:06 AM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

Do you guys know if Windows 7 had Narrator? I had a windows 7 machine
but I can’t recall if it had Narrator.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brad
Snyder
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 2:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator



The “Wayback Machine”, eh? Love it.


- Brad -






On Feb 8, 2019, at 12:25, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com
<mailto:britechguy@gmail.com> > wrote:



I am running Win10, Version 1809, Home, 64-bit and just tested with
Word
2010 and Word 2016.

Narrator will not read document text in Word 2010, but will read it in
Word 2016. This is really not surprising, as Microsoft is not going
to try to reach into the wayback machine to ensure infinite backward
compatibility between Narrator, which came on the scene with Windows
8, and versions of Office that far predate that OS.

If someone has Word 2013 it would be interesting to know whether
Narrator works with it. This was the first version of Word that has a
"look and feel" that's very similar to that in use today.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the
need for illusion is deep.

~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back













--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali







--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I don't think the new voices will work on XP.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2019 9:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

i wish to test them, but how can i install these great voices which you mention on windows xp?

On 2/9/19, molly the blind tech lover <brainardmolly@gmail.com> wrote:
You might like to try the new Microsoft voices. They're pretty good.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2019 6:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

microsoft sam!
its the worst and most terrible voice that i heard in my life!
i really hate it and never can tolerate it.

On 2/9/19, molly the blind tech lover <brainardmolly@gmail.com> wrote:
Didn’t Microsoft sam sound kind of garbled? Like he was hard to
understand.




From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k
Alawami
Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2019 12:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator



Windows 2000 had sam. I remember using it on someone's very old
computer in 2004. I think it was baught in 98? I wouldn't know as I
was not around then at this person's house.



On 8 Feb 2019, at 18:09, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

What voice did windows 2000 have for narrator? I jumped from XP to
windows 7 and that system had Microsoft Anna.







From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 3:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator



all windows from xp had narator.

But to be honest, narator on anything before 10 wasn't much good,
aparently windows 2000 had narator and aparently it was usable then
but who knows.



On 9/02/2019 9:06 AM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

Do you guys know if Windows 7 had Narrator? I had a windows 7 machine
but I can’t recall if it had Narrator.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brad
Snyder
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 2:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator



The “Wayback Machine”, eh? Love it.


- Brad -






On Feb 8, 2019, at 12:25, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com
<mailto:britechguy@gmail.com> > wrote:



I am running Win10, Version 1809, Home, 64-bit and just tested with
Word
2010 and Word 2016.

Narrator will not read document text in Word 2010, but will read it
in Word 2016. This is really not surprising, as Microsoft is not
going to try to reach into the wayback machine to ensure infinite
backward compatibility between Narrator, which came on the scene with
Windows 8, and versions of Office that far predate that OS.

If someone has Word 2013 it would be interesting to know whether
Narrator works with it. This was the first version of Word that has
a "look and feel" that's very similar to that in use today.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the
need for illusion is deep.

~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back













--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali








--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


JM Casey
 

They absolutely will not work on XP.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: February 9, 2019 12:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

I don't think the new voices will work on XP.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2019 9:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

i wish to test them, but how can i install these great voices which you mention on windows xp?

On 2/9/19, molly the blind tech lover <brainardmolly@gmail.com> wrote:
You might like to try the new Microsoft voices. They're pretty good.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2019 6:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

microsoft sam!
its the worst and most terrible voice that i heard in my life!
i really hate it and never can tolerate it.

On 2/9/19, molly the blind tech lover <brainardmolly@gmail.com> wrote:
Didn’t Microsoft sam sound kind of garbled? Like he was hard to
understand.




From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k
Alawami
Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2019 12:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator



Windows 2000 had sam. I remember using it on someone's very old
computer in 2004. I think it was baught in 98? I wouldn't know as I
was not around then at this person's house.



On 8 Feb 2019, at 18:09, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

What voice did windows 2000 have for narrator? I jumped from XP to
windows 7 and that system had Microsoft Anna.







From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 3:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator



all windows from xp had narator.

But to be honest, narator on anything before 10 wasn't much good,
aparently windows 2000 had narator and aparently it was usable then
but who knows.



On 9/02/2019 9:06 AM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

Do you guys know if Windows 7 had Narrator? I had a windows 7 machine
but I can’t recall if it had Narrator.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brad
Snyder
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 2:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator



The “Wayback Machine”, eh? Love it.


- Brad -






On Feb 8, 2019, at 12:25, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com
<mailto:britechguy@gmail.com> > wrote:



I am running Win10, Version 1809, Home, 64-bit and just tested with
Word
2010 and Word 2016.

Narrator will not read document text in Word 2010, but will read it
in Word 2016. This is really not surprising, as Microsoft is not
going to try to reach into the wayback machine to ensure infinite
backward compatibility between Narrator, which came on the scene with
Windows 8, and versions of Office that far predate that OS.

If someone has Word 2013 it would be interesting to know whether
Narrator works with it. This was the first version of Word that has
a "look and feel" that's very similar to that in use today.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the
need for illusion is deep.

~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back













--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali








--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Rosemarie Chavarria
 

AOL stands for America Online. It's an internet service provider like verizon or AT&T.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover
Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2019 8:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

 

Well my parents had a computer back in early 2000. It probably ran windows xp. It had something called AOL. I don’t know what that is.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2019 11:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

 

I don’t think Narrator was on XP to be honest.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: 08 February 2019 23:12
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

 

all windows from xp had narator.

But to be honest, narator on anything before 10 wasn't much good, aparently windows 2000 had narator and aparently it was usable then but who knows.

 

On 9/02/2019 9:06 AM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

Do you guys know if Windows 7 had Narrator? I had a windows 7 machine but I can’t recall if it had Narrator.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 2:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

 

The “Wayback Machine”, eh?  Love it.


- Brad -

 

On Feb 8, 2019, at 12:25, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

 

I am running Win10, Version 1809, Home, 64-bit and just tested with Word 2010 and Word 2016.

Narrator will not read document text in Word 2010, but will read it in Word 2016.  This is really not surprising, as Microsoft is not going to try to reach into the wayback machine to ensure infinite backward compatibility between Narrator, which came on the scene with Windows 8, and versions of Office that far predate that OS.

If someone has Word 2013 it would be interesting to know whether Narrator works with it.  This was the first version of Word that has a "look and feel" that's very similar to that in use today.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 

 


molly the blind tech lover
 

I understand.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2019 12:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

 

AOL stands for America Online. It's an internet service provider like verizon or AT&T.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover
Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2019 8:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

 

Well my parents had a computer back in early 2000. It probably ran windows xp. It had something called AOL. I don’t know what that is.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2019 11:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

 

I don’t think Narrator was on XP to be honest.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: 08 February 2019 23:12
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

 

all windows from xp had narator.

But to be honest, narator on anything before 10 wasn't much good, aparently windows 2000 had narator and aparently it was usable then but who knows.

 

On 9/02/2019 9:06 AM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

Do you guys know if Windows 7 had Narrator? I had a windows 7 machine but I can’t recall if it had Narrator.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 2:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

 

The “Wayback Machine”, eh?  Love it.


- Brad -

 

On Feb 8, 2019, at 12:25, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

 

I am running Win10, Version 1809, Home, 64-bit and just tested with Word 2010 and Word 2016.

Narrator will not read document text in Word 2010, but will read it in Word 2016.  This is really not surprising, as Microsoft is not going to try to reach into the wayback machine to ensure infinite backward compatibility between Narrator, which came on the scene with Windows 8, and versions of Office that far predate that OS.

If someone has Word 2013 it would be interesting to know whether Narrator works with it.  This was the first version of Word that has a "look and feel" that's very similar to that in use today.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 

 


molly the blind tech lover
 

Well first I think you have to install a language pack. But Windows xp is really old and I think these voice are only for Windows 10.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2019 12:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

i wish to test them, but how can i install these great voices which you mention on windows xp?

On 2/9/19, molly the blind tech lover <brainardmolly@gmail.com> wrote:
You might like to try the new Microsoft voices. They're pretty good.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2019 6:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

microsoft sam!
its the worst and most terrible voice that i heard in my life!
i really hate it and never can tolerate it.

On 2/9/19, molly the blind tech lover <brainardmolly@gmail.com> wrote:
Didn’t Microsoft sam sound kind of garbled? Like he was hard to
understand.




From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k
Alawami
Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2019 12:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator



Windows 2000 had sam. I remember using it on someone's very old
computer in 2004. I think it was baught in 98? I wouldn't know as I
was not around then at this person's house.



On 8 Feb 2019, at 18:09, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

What voice did windows 2000 have for narrator? I jumped from XP to
windows 7 and that system had Microsoft Anna.







From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 3:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator



all windows from xp had narator.

But to be honest, narator on anything before 10 wasn't much good,
aparently windows 2000 had narator and aparently it was usable then
but who knows.



On 9/02/2019 9:06 AM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

Do you guys know if Windows 7 had Narrator? I had a windows 7 machine
but I can’t recall if it had Narrator.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brad
Snyder
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 2:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator



The “Wayback Machine”, eh? Love it.


- Brad -






On Feb 8, 2019, at 12:25, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com
<mailto:britechguy@gmail.com> > wrote:



I am running Win10, Version 1809, Home, 64-bit and just tested with
Word
2010 and Word 2016.

Narrator will not read document text in Word 2010, but will read it
in Word 2016. This is really not surprising, as Microsoft is not
going to try to reach into the wayback machine to ensure infinite
backward compatibility between Narrator, which came on the scene with
Windows 8, and versions of Office that far predate that OS.

If someone has Word 2013 it would be interesting to know whether
Narrator works with it. This was the first version of Word that has
a "look and feel" that's very similar to that in use today.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the
need for illusion is deep.

~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back













--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali








--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


 

On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 01:57 PM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:
Well first I think you have to install a language pack. But Windows xp is really old and I think these voice are only for Windows 10.
As has already been said, OneCore voices will absolutely not function under Windows XP.   They (and the technology they use) did not come into use until a long while after Windows XP had been out of support and completely abandoned.

Virtually anything even "newish" is not going to work under Windows XP, and was never intended or designed to do so.  It's like trying to run a GUI web browser under DOS - it just isn't gonna happen.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


molly the blind tech lover
 

I have no idea either. My machine works fine otherwise. I’ll reinstall Jaws and see if it fixes things.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2019 11:59 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

 

Don’t know, I’m not seeing that here.  On my SSD on my desktop, JAWS takes about 15 seconds from boot.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover
Sent: 09 February 2019 10:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

 

I’ve noticed something about Jaws lately. When I turn it on it takes like a minute to load. I’ve also been getting a lot of error reports lately. What’s up with that?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2019 1:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

 

To be honest, jaws is a screen reader.

Nvda is what narator should have been a basic screen reader with extra features.

Narator is well, people call it a screen reader.

Thats true if its an ms app, but it doesn't do everything, even nvda does more than that.

But this poster is right, narator carries such a stigma with it that when it finally gets good, its name carries a crappy past.

I would rely on narator for some stuff but its more limited than nvda.

The only reason nvda is better than jaws and others in most respects is because it uses the os for most of its access and not some interseptor.

I am unsure why the rest don't inovate but neither jaws or dolphin seem to be moving fast, or in the case of jaws like microsoft seem to be trying to reinvent themselves all the time with stuff that makes you shake your head.

For nvda what I can see as advantage is mainly the speed of development, and the fact if say I want a feature, I put it out there and see.

Sometimes it pays off, sometimes not, and if a user wants to experiment they can go here is this thing, does it work or is it crap.

And then its a hit, no strings.

Look at toolbars explorer.

I remember when it was an idea.

It caught on so quick.

Firstly it was an idea.

By the end of the day an item, 2 days, something that could be something.

A week later it was something, and a month or so later its a really good thing that is making a mark.

There is no high pricetag to get that extra module for no reason or extra licence to access another windows addition without any new features.

There is no lagging behind with things.

Everyone has advantages for and against but still.

 

 

On 9/02/2019 6:29 PM, Kwork wrote:

Narrator in Windows 7 was a joke. Not even worth talking about in my opinion. It could read its own introduction screen and not much more. LOL! Microsoft Anna was a decent enough text to speech voice, but she worked better in NVDA as a SAPI 5 voice rather than windows' joke of a screenreader they called Narrator.

Brian V is correct. The name of the Windows native screenreader should probably be changed. Otherwise we'll be educating people for years who remember the joke that first debuted, to the best of my knowledge, in Windows xp.

Travis

On 2/8/2019 1:42 PM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

I’m assuming Narrator in windows 7 was in the settings app? I don’t think my machine even had a settings app.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of bob jutzi
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 3:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

 

Yes.  Windows 7 had Narrator.

 

On 2/8/2019 3:29 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 03:06 PM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

Do you guys know if Windows 7 had Narrator? I had a windows 7 machine but I can’t recall if it had Narrator.

There's been a version of Narrator around for a very long time.  Prior to Windows 10 it really was a joke.

Microsoft started taking accessibility much more seriously starting with Windows 8, with lots of refining occurring after that (and still ongoing).  Even Narrator in Windows 10 prior to Version 1809 is not the same animal as Narrator now (with now being Version 1809).

Hence my reaction earlier about talking about things that have the same name, under different versions of Windows, being senseless.  Even talking pre-1809 and post-1809 Narrator in Windows 10 is, if not apples and oranges, is kumquats and oranges.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 

 


Gene
 

How often do you boot or reboot?  I've seen this problem before and I don't think I ever saw a solution.  But you can almost completely eliminate the problem by not rebooting often or not shutting down the machine and booting often.  I believe you have Windows 10 and I don't know what happens if you use quick boot.  But you can use sleep or stand by and only do a full reboot perhaps once every three or four days or perhaps as little as a five or seven day week apart, maybe more.  You would have to experiment.  How long can you run Windows without it becoming unstable? 
 
If you don't know about these options, I'll find a web site that describes them.  But really, the quick boot feature in Windows 10 isn't a benefit if you know about sleep or hibernate.  I argue that if people generally knew about those options, quick boot would never have been implemented since it is, in essence, a way to solve a problem caused by users not knowing about other options, long available.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2019 1:04 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

I have no idea either. My machine works fine otherwise. I’ll reinstall Jaws and see if it fixes things.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2019 11:59 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

 

Don’t know, I’m not seeing that here.  On my SSD on my desktop, JAWS takes about 15 seconds from boot.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover
Sent: 09 February 2019 10:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

 

I’ve noticed something about Jaws lately. When I turn it on it takes like a minute to load. I’ve also been getting a lot of error reports lately. What’s up with that?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2019 1:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

 

To be honest, jaws is a screen reader.

Nvda is what narator should have been a basic screen reader with extra features.

Narator is well, people call it a screen reader.

Thats true if its an ms app, but it doesn't do everything, even nvda does more than that.

But this poster is right, narator carries such a stigma with it that when it finally gets good, its name carries a crappy past.

I would rely on narator for some stuff but its more limited than nvda.

The only reason nvda is better than jaws and others in most respects is because it uses the os for most of its access and not some interseptor.

I am unsure why the rest don't inovate but neither jaws or dolphin seem to be moving fast, or in the case of jaws like microsoft seem to be trying to reinvent themselves all the time with stuff that makes you shake your head.

For nvda what I can see as advantage is mainly the speed of development, and the fact if say I want a feature, I put it out there and see.

Sometimes it pays off, sometimes not, and if a user wants to experiment they can go here is this thing, does it work or is it crap.

And then its a hit, no strings.

Look at toolbars explorer.

I remember when it was an idea.

It caught on so quick.

Firstly it was an idea.

By the end of the day an item, 2 days, something that could be something.

A week later it was something, and a month or so later its a really good thing that is making a mark.

There is no high pricetag to get that extra module for no reason or extra licence to access another windows addition without any new features.

There is no lagging behind with things.

Everyone has advantages for and against but still.

 

 

On 9/02/2019 6:29 PM, Kwork wrote:

Narrator in Windows 7 was a joke. Not even worth talking about in my opinion. It could read its own introduction screen and not much more. LOL! Microsoft Anna was a decent enough text to speech voice, but she worked better in NVDA as a SAPI 5 voice rather than windows' joke of a screenreader they called Narrator.

Brian V is correct. The name of the Windows native screenreader should probably be changed. Otherwise we'll be educating people for years who remember the joke that first debuted, to the best of my knowledge, in Windows xp.

Travis

On 2/8/2019 1:42 PM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

I’m assuming Narrator in windows 7 was in the settings app? I don’t think my machine even had a settings app.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of bob jutzi
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 3:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

 

Yes.  Windows 7 had Narrator.

 

On 2/8/2019 3:29 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 03:06 PM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

Do you guys know if Windows 7 had Narrator? I had a windows 7 machine but I can’t recall if it had Narrator.

There's been a version of Narrator around for a very long time.  Prior to Windows 10 it really was a joke.

Microsoft started taking accessibility much more seriously starting with Windows 8, with lots of refining occurring after that (and still ongoing).  Even Narrator in Windows 10 prior to Version 1809 is not the same animal as Narrator now (with now being Version 1809).

Hence my reaction earlier about talking about things that have the same name, under different versions of Windows, being senseless.  Even talking pre-1809 and post-1809 Narrator in Windows 10 is, if not apples and oranges, is kumquats and oranges.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 

 


Annette Moore
 

I really like OneCore Zira, but I like her best using NVDA. She reads differently--more slowly or something--in Narrator. I mean, when you do the read-to-end command in NVDA, she reads normally, but no matter how fast you have her going in Narrator, reading to end has her reading more--I don't know, monotone maybe?--than she does in NVDA. I've had to add some extra pronunciations in the voice dictionary, but other than that, I really like that voice! It's very clear and I like that.

Annette

On 2/9/2019 10:00 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 06:09 AM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:
You might like to try the new Microsoft voices. They're pretty good.
Agreed.  I particularly like the OneCore voices you get if you install additional languages (all English dialects, in my case).  They sound virtually human.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


molly the blind tech lover
 

I like the Austtralian female voice I’m using. Can’t think of her name though. Anyway, she’s really responsive. I use her with NVDA. For Narrator I use a male voice coalled Microsoft David.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annette Moore
Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2019 2:51 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

 

I really like OneCore Zira, but I like her best using NVDA. She reads differently--more slowly or something--in Narrator. I mean, when you do the read-to-end command in NVDA, she reads normally, but no matter how fast you have her going in Narrator, reading to end has her reading more--I don't know, monotone maybe?--than she does in NVDA. I've had to add some extra pronunciations in the voice dictionary, but other than that, I really like that voice! It's very clear and I like that.

Annette

On 2/9/2019 10:00 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 06:09 AM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

You might like to try the new Microsoft voices. They're pretty good.

Agreed.  I particularly like the OneCore voices you get if you install additional languages (all English dialects, in my case).  They sound virtually human.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Annette Moore
 

yeah, David's not bad, but he sounds like he's breathing. Kind of creepy. LOL!

Annette

On 2/9/2019 1:55 PM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

I like the Austtralian female voice I’m using. Can’t think of her name though. Anyway, she’s really responsive. I use her with NVDA. For Narrator I use a male voice coalled Microsoft David.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annette Moore
Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2019 2:51 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

 

I really like OneCore Zira, but I like her best using NVDA. She reads differently--more slowly or something--in Narrator. I mean, when you do the read-to-end command in NVDA, she reads normally, but no matter how fast you have her going in Narrator, reading to end has her reading more--I don't know, monotone maybe?--than she does in NVDA. I've had to add some extra pronunciations in the voice dictionary, but other than that, I really like that voice! It's very clear and I like that.

Annette

On 2/9/2019 10:00 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 06:09 AM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

You might like to try the new Microsoft voices. They're pretty good.

Agreed.  I particularly like the OneCore voices you get if you install additional languages (all English dialects, in my case).  They sound virtually human.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


David Moore
 

Yes!

I like Microsoft 1 cor Mark much better.

Mark is great!

I don’t like David that well either.

If it was my David Voice you would love it LOL!

David Moore

 

                                                                Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Annette Moore
Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2019 3:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

 

yeah, David's not bad, but he sounds like he's breathing. Kind of creepy. LOL!

Annette

On 2/9/2019 1:55 PM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

I like the Austtralian female voice I’m using. Can’t think of her name though. Anyway, she’s really responsive. I use her with NVDA. For Narrator I use a male voice coalled Microsoft David.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annette Moore
Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2019 2:51 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

 

I really like OneCore Zira, but I like her best using NVDA. She reads differently--more slowly or something--in Narrator. I mean, when you do the read-to-end command in NVDA, she reads normally, but no matter how fast you have her going in Narrator, reading to end has her reading more--I don't know, monotone maybe?--than she does in NVDA. I've had to add some extra pronunciations in the voice dictionary, but other than that, I really like that voice! It's very clear and I like that.

Annette

On 2/9/2019 10:00 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 06:09 AM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

You might like to try the new Microsoft voices. They're pretty good.

Agreed.  I particularly like the OneCore voices you get if you install additional languages (all English dialects, in my case).  They sound virtually human.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 

 


Lino Morales
 

K voice sounds ahem gay. Not as bad as say Siri male on IOS. I love David. Use that voice for 99.9 percent of my stuff on the PC using both NVDA and JAWS 2019.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of David Moore <jesusloves1966@...>
Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2019 3:21:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator
 

Yes!

I like Microsoft 1 cor Mark much better.

Mark is great!

I don’t like David that well either.

If it was my David Voice you would love it LOL!

David Moore

 

                                                                Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Annette Moore
Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2019 3:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

 

yeah, David's not bad, but he sounds like he's breathing. Kind of creepy. LOL!

Annette

On 2/9/2019 1:55 PM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

I like the Austtralian female voice I’m using. Can’t think of her name though. Anyway, she’s really responsive. I use her with NVDA. For Narrator I use a male voice coalled Microsoft David.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annette Moore
Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2019 2:51 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

 

I really like OneCore Zira, but I like her best using NVDA. She reads differently--more slowly or something--in Narrator. I mean, when you do the read-to-end command in NVDA, she reads normally, but no matter how fast you have her going in Narrator, reading to end has her reading more--I don't know, monotone maybe?--than she does in NVDA. I've had to add some extra pronunciations in the voice dictionary, but other than that, I really like that voice! It's very clear and I like that.

Annette

On 2/9/2019 10:00 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 06:09 AM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

You might like to try the new Microsoft voices. They're pretty good.

Agreed.  I particularly like the OneCore voices you get if you install additional languages (all English dialects, in my case).  They sound virtually human.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 

 


molly the blind tech lover
 

Hahaha. My brother the other day said Microsoft David  sounded like the terminator, calling it the most monotone boring voice on the planet, even imitating it. It was hilarious.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annette Moore
Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2019 3:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

 

yeah, David's not bad, but he sounds like he's breathing. Kind of creepy. LOL!

Annette

On 2/9/2019 1:55 PM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

I like the Austtralian female voice I’m using. Can’t think of her name though. Anyway, she’s really responsive. I use her with NVDA. For Narrator I use a male voice coalled Microsoft David.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annette Moore
Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2019 2:51 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

 

I really like OneCore Zira, but I like her best using NVDA. She reads differently--more slowly or something--in Narrator. I mean, when you do the read-to-end command in NVDA, she reads normally, but no matter how fast you have her going in Narrator, reading to end has her reading more--I don't know, monotone maybe?--than she does in NVDA. I've had to add some extra pronunciations in the voice dictionary, but other than that, I really like that voice! It's very clear and I like that.

Annette

On 2/9/2019 10:00 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 06:09 AM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

You might like to try the new Microsoft voices. They're pretty good.

Agreed.  I particularly like the OneCore voices you get if you install additional languages (all English dialects, in my case).  They sound virtually human.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


 

On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 02:51 PM, Annette Moore wrote:
OneCore Zira
I thought Zira was a SAPI5 voice?   If there's another version of her under OneCore I'd be curious to hear it.

I've been using Microsoft James, OneCore - the British accented male voice (or one of them, anyway).  I also liked David and Richard, though I think they both are SAPI5 voices.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Annette Moore
 

LOL, David! Actually, to me, Mark sounds kind of like a smart alec. I probably need to change his pitch. You know, take him down a few notches? LOL! 😀 He is clear, though.

Annette

On 2/9/2019 2:21 PM, David Moore wrote:

Yes!

I like Microsoft 1 cor Mark much better.

Mark is great!

I don’t like David that well either.

If it was my David Voice you would love it LOL!

David Moore

 

                                                                Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Annette Moore
Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2019 3:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

 

yeah, David's not bad, but he sounds like he's breathing. Kind of creepy. LOL!

Annette

On 2/9/2019 1:55 PM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

I like the Austtralian female voice I’m using. Can’t think of her name though. Anyway, she’s really responsive. I use her with NVDA. For Narrator I use a male voice coalled Microsoft David.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annette Moore
Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2019 2:51 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

 

I really like OneCore Zira, but I like her best using NVDA. She reads differently--more slowly or something--in Narrator. I mean, when you do the read-to-end command in NVDA, she reads normally, but no matter how fast you have her going in Narrator, reading to end has her reading more--I don't know, monotone maybe?--than she does in NVDA. I've had to add some extra pronunciations in the voice dictionary, but other than that, I really like that voice! It's very clear and I like that.

Annette

On 2/9/2019 10:00 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 06:09 AM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

You might like to try the new Microsoft voices. They're pretty good.

Agreed.  I particularly like the OneCore voices you get if you install additional languages (all English dialects, in my case).  They sound virtually human.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 

 


 

Em 09/02/2019 17:03, Brian Vogel escreveu:
It's like trying to run a GUI web browser under DOS - it just isn't gonna happen.
Wondering whether I was the only one trying to really imagine this situation. It'd really... odd. LOL

Cheers,