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NVDA read-to-end


Hettie
 

Hi all

Sorry, I didn't pay attention when this topic was discussed in earlier posts as I haven't come accross that problem then.

Now however I do experience nvda reading to the end of the paragraph when pressing the nvda + down-arrow keys. Unfortunately I haven't seen a post with the solution. Can you please help ?

Thanks.


Hettie



On 2020/08/21 2:25 pm, Ralf Kefferpuetz wrote:

Hello,

Go to the NVDA icon in the systray by pressing Windows-B (on your Mac keyboard Option-B), hit the letter N until you come to NVDA and press Enter

 

Cheers,

  Ralf

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Hicks Steven (CORNWALL IT SERVICES) via groups.io
Sent: Freitag, 21. August 2020 13:54
To: NVDA@NVDA.Groups.IO
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Menu

 

Hi friends,

 

I Have installed NVDA on a machine which has a bluetooth keyboard and I can’t find the insert key, not sure if it has one, it is the Apple style layout.

I Need to bring up the NVDA menu to go in to the options and change the keyboard layout to be laptop but I can’t perform an instert+n, does anyone know of another way to bring up the NVDA menu please?

 



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Quentin Christensen
 

Are you using NVDA in desktop keyboard layout or laptop keyboard layout?  NVDA+down arrow is the Desktop layout keystroke to read to end.  NVDA+a is the laptop keyboard layout shortcut.

To make it a bit more confusing, NVDA+down arrow, in laptop keyboard layout, moves the review cursor to the next line, so if you are in laptop layout and press that keystroke, it will seem like you've entered the read to end command and NVDA is simply reading the next line down and then stopping.

If you are definitely in desktop keyboard layout and NVDA is stopping partway through a paragraph, could you please give a bit more information about the exact program you are in or where it does and does not work?

Kind regards

Quentin.
Quentin.

On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 4:27 AM Hettie <woehler.hettie@...> wrote:

Hi all

Sorry, I didn't pay attention when this topic was discussed in earlier posts as I haven't come accross that problem then.

Now however I do experience nvda reading to the end of the paragraph when pressing the nvda + down-arrow keys. Unfortunately I haven't seen a post with the solution. Can you please help ?

Thanks.


Hettie



On 2020/08/21 2:25 pm, Ralf Kefferpuetz wrote:

Hello,

Go to the NVDA icon in the systray by pressing Windows-B (on your Mac keyboard Option-B), hit the letter N until you come to NVDA and press Enter

 

Cheers,

  Ralf

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Hicks Steven (CORNWALL IT SERVICES) via groups.io
Sent: Freitag, 21. August 2020 13:54
To: NVDA@NVDA.Groups.IO
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Menu

 

Hi friends,

 

I Have installed NVDA on a machine which has a bluetooth keyboard and I can’t find the insert key, not sure if it has one, it is the Apple style layout.

I Need to bring up the NVDA menu to go in to the options and change the keyboard layout to be laptop but I can’t perform an instert+n, does anyone know of another way to bring up the NVDA menu please?

 



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Hettie
 

Hi Quintin

After trying the read-to-end in thunderbird and wordpad it seems to be a problem with LibreOffice. I can't upgrade to Microsoft Office 10 and tried LibreOffice  as an alternative as it has a word processor as well as a spread sheet unction. Wordpad can perform all I need but I need another program that can read and work with Excel, anyone has ideas of what other accessible software I can use?


Thanks


Hettie

 

On 2020/08/25 6:54 am, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Are you using NVDA in desktop keyboard layout or laptop keyboard layout?  NVDA+down arrow is the Desktop layout keystroke to read to end.  NVDA+a is the laptop keyboard layout shortcut.

To make it a bit more confusing, NVDA+down arrow, in laptop keyboard layout, moves the review cursor to the next line, so if you are in laptop layout and press that keystroke, it will seem like you've entered the read to end command and NVDA is simply reading the next line down and then stopping.

If you are definitely in desktop keyboard layout and NVDA is stopping partway through a paragraph, could you please give a bit more information about the exact program you are in or where it does and does not work?

Kind regards

Quentin.
Quentin.

On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 4:27 AM Hettie <woehler.hettie@...> wrote:

Hi all

Sorry, I didn't pay attention when this topic was discussed in earlier posts as I haven't come accross that problem then.

Now however I do experience nvda reading to the end of the paragraph when pressing the nvda + down-arrow keys. Unfortunately I haven't seen a post with the solution. Can you please help ?

Thanks.


Hettie



On 2020/08/21 2:25 pm, Ralf Kefferpuetz wrote:

Hello,

Go to the NVDA icon in the systray by pressing Windows-B (on your Mac keyboard Option-B), hit the letter N until you come to NVDA and press Enter

 

Cheers,

  Ralf

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Hicks Steven (CORNWALL IT SERVICES) via groups.io
Sent: Freitag, 21. August 2020 13:54
To: NVDA@NVDA.Groups.IO
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Menu

 

Hi friends,

 

I Have installed NVDA on a machine which has a bluetooth keyboard and I can’t find the insert key, not sure if it has one, it is the Apple style layout.

I Need to bring up the NVDA menu to go in to the options and change the keyboard layout to be laptop but I can’t perform an instert+n, does anyone know of another way to bring up the NVDA menu please?

 



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David Goldfield
 

Hettie,

First, I do recall encountering this issue with LibreOffice but this was many years ago. I'll give it a try with NVDA 2020.2 with LibreOffice 7.0, which was recently released. Also, which synthesizer are you using? I ask because Acapela recently released a new version of its NVDA driver which they report corrects a read all issue although they did not go into specifics as to what the problem actually was.


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On 8/25/2020 2:23 PM, Hettie wrote:

Hi Quintin

After trying the read-to-end in thunderbird and wordpad it seems to be a problem with LibreOffice. I can't upgrade to Microsoft Office 10 and tried LibreOffice  as an alternative as it has a word processor as well as a spread sheet unction. Wordpad can perform all I need but I need another program that can read and work with Excel, anyone has ideas of what other accessible software I can use?


Thanks


Hettie

 

On 2020/08/25 6:54 am, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Are you using NVDA in desktop keyboard layout or laptop keyboard layout?  NVDA+down arrow is the Desktop layout keystroke to read to end.  NVDA+a is the laptop keyboard layout shortcut.

To make it a bit more confusing, NVDA+down arrow, in laptop keyboard layout, moves the review cursor to the next line, so if you are in laptop layout and press that keystroke, it will seem like you've entered the read to end command and NVDA is simply reading the next line down and then stopping.

If you are definitely in desktop keyboard layout and NVDA is stopping partway through a paragraph, could you please give a bit more information about the exact program you are in or where it does and does not work?

Kind regards

Quentin.
Quentin.

On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 4:27 AM Hettie <woehler.hettie@...> wrote:

Hi all

Sorry, I didn't pay attention when this topic was discussed in earlier posts as I haven't come accross that problem then.

Now however I do experience nvda reading to the end of the paragraph when pressing the nvda + down-arrow keys. Unfortunately I haven't seen a post with the solution. Can you please help ?

Thanks.


Hettie



On 2020/08/21 2:25 pm, Ralf Kefferpuetz wrote:

Hello,

Go to the NVDA icon in the systray by pressing Windows-B (on your Mac keyboard Option-B), hit the letter N until you come to NVDA and press Enter

 

Cheers,

  Ralf

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Hicks Steven (CORNWALL IT SERVICES) via groups.io
Sent: Freitag, 21. August 2020 13:54
To: NVDA@NVDA.Groups.IO
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Menu

 

Hi friends,

 

I Have installed NVDA on a machine which has a bluetooth keyboard and I can’t find the insert key, not sure if it has one, it is the Apple style layout.

I Need to bring up the NVDA menu to go in to the options and change the keyboard layout to be laptop but I can’t perform an instert+n, does anyone know of another way to bring up the NVDA menu please?

 



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George McCoy
 

It happens to me with Notetab++ and the 1-core synthesizers. Trouble is, it's intermitent. I can't determine what causes it to start and stop happening. It's the worst kind of bug because it's hard to duplicate.


George

On 8/24/2020 11:54 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Are you using NVDA in desktop keyboard layout or laptop keyboard layout?  NVDA+down arrow is the Desktop layout keystroke to read to end.  NVDA+a is the laptop keyboard layout shortcut.

To make it a bit more confusing, NVDA+down arrow, in laptop keyboard layout, moves the review cursor to the next line, so if you are in laptop layout and press that keystroke, it will seem like you've entered the read to end command and NVDA is simply reading the next line down and then stopping.

If you are definitely in desktop keyboard layout and NVDA is stopping partway through a paragraph, could you please give a bit more information about the exact program you are in or where it does and does not work?

Kind regards

Quentin.
Quentin.

On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 4:27 AM Hettie <woehler.hettie@...> wrote:

Hi all

Sorry, I didn't pay attention when this topic was discussed in earlier posts as I haven't come accross that problem then.

Now however I do experience nvda reading to the end of the paragraph when pressing the nvda + down-arrow keys. Unfortunately I haven't seen a post with the solution. Can you please help ?

Thanks.


Hettie



On 2020/08/21 2:25 pm, Ralf Kefferpuetz wrote:

Hello,

Go to the NVDA icon in the systray by pressing Windows-B (on your Mac keyboard Option-B), hit the letter N until you come to NVDA and press Enter

 

Cheers,

  Ralf

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Hicks Steven (CORNWALL IT SERVICES) via groups.io
Sent: Freitag, 21. August 2020 13:54
To: NVDA@NVDA.Groups.IO
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Menu

 

Hi friends,

 

I Have installed NVDA on a machine which has a bluetooth keyboard and I can’t find the insert key, not sure if it has one, it is the Apple style layout.

I Need to bring up the NVDA menu to go in to the options and change the keyboard layout to be laptop but I can’t perform an instert+n, does anyone know of another way to bring up the NVDA menu please?

 



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Gene
 

I've seen something like three posts complaining about read to end stopping before it should. I don't recall how you want logs sent, but maybe a log from when this happens would show something. On some web pages, read to end stops two or three times when I'm reading an article. That is one reason why I use an old, very old version, since I'm using Windows 7 and this old version meets almost all my needs, and it doesn't happen with that version.

Since I've only seen something like three messages saying that a user has this happen, it may not be a common bug, but maybe this discussion will help us know.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: George McCoy
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2020 7:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA read-to-end



It happens to me with Notetab++ and the 1-core synthesizers. Trouble is, it's intermitent. I can't determine what causes it to start and stop happening. It's the worst kind of bug because it's hard to duplicate.




George


On 8/24/2020 11:54 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

Are you using NVDA in desktop keyboard layout or laptop keyboard layout? NVDA+down arrow is the Desktop layout keystroke to read to end. NVDA+a is the laptop keyboard layout shortcut.

To make it a bit more confusing, NVDA+down arrow, in laptop keyboard layout, moves the review cursor to the next line, so if you are in laptop layout and press that keystroke, it will seem like you've entered the read to end command and NVDA is simply reading the next line down and then stopping.

If you are definitely in desktop keyboard layout and NVDA is stopping partway through a paragraph, could you please give a bit more information about the exact program you are in or where it does and does not work?

Kind regards

Quentin.
Quentin.


On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 4:27 AM Hettie <woehler.hettie@...> wrote:


Hi all

Sorry, I didn't pay attention when this topic was discussed in earlier posts as I haven't come accross that problem then.

Now however I do experience nvda reading to the end of the paragraph when pressing the nvda + down-arrow keys. Unfortunately I haven't seen a post with the solution. Can you please help ?

Thanks.





Hettie







On 2020/08/21 2:25 pm, Ralf Kefferpuetz wrote:


Hello,

Go to the NVDA icon in the systray by pressing Windows-B (on your Mac keyboard Option-B), hit the letter N until you come to NVDA and press Enter



Cheers,

Ralf





From: nvda@nvda.groups.io mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io On Behalf Of Hicks Steven (CORNWALL IT SERVICES) via groups.io
Sent: Freitag, 21. August 2020 13:54
To: NVDA@NVDA.Groups.IO
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Menu





Hi friends,



I Have installed NVDA on a machine which has a bluetooth keyboard and I can’t find the insert key, not sure if it has one, it is the Apple style layout.

I Need to bring up the NVDA menu to go in to the options and change the keyboard layout to be laptop but I can’t perform an instert+n, does anyone know of another way to bring up the NVDA menu please?





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Leslie
 

Unless I press NVDA plus A I can never read a full email.  This just started with the newest update.  If I want to skip down through a long message I need to press control plus down arrow.  If I don’t press those keys, I can’t keep moving through the email.  I thought something I did to my computer did this until someone else in the class I’m taking had the same problem and we both have NVDA.  Is this a bug or is this the way you want as a new NVDA. Thing?  I couldn’t find it in the commands.

 

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Quentin Christensen
 

FIrstly Leslie,

No, we haven't changed anything from our end, you should be able to press NVDA+A (Laptop keyboard layout) or NVDA+down arrow (desktop keyboard layout) to say all, in a document, a web page or an email.

Now as for what is happening, as Gene mentioned, a log would help, ideally at Debug level, and ideally with add-ons disabled (do you have any add-ons?)

Looking through our issues I found: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/10852 about say all in Firefox or Wordpad which was resolved by the user running the COM registration fixing tool.  To do that, press NVDA+N, then press T for tools, then down arrow to "Run COM registration fixing tool" and press ENTER.

There are a handful of other closed issues which were either from using broken add-ons, or illegal ones, or other things which have been fixed and merged in NVDA 2019.3 and earlier.

One which is still open is https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/4119 which is an issue in Libre Office at least.  Last time I looked at this issue, the workaround I found which resolved it, was when you open a document in Libre Office, press CONTROL+END to jump to the very bottom of the document, then CONTROL+HOME to come back to the top, then say all should work.

I just tested and it looks like that issue is still present in Libre Office 6.3.0.4 using the latest NVDA alpha.  That isn't isn't in WordPad to my knowledge however.  As far as I know, that is caused by a bug in Libre Office and has pretty much always been there.

I just update to Libre Office 7.0.0 and it still behaves the same.

Quentin.

On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 1:31 PM Leslie <soundsofmusic@...> wrote:

Unless I press NVDA plus A I can never read a full email.  This just started with the newest update.  If I want to skip down through a long message I need to press control plus down arrow.  If I don’t press those keys, I can’t keep moving through the email.  I thought something I did to my computer did this until someone else in the class I’m taking had the same problem and we both have NVDA.  Is this a bug or is this the way you want as a new NVDA. Thing?  I couldn’t find it in the commands.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10



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Training and Support Manager


Gene
 

Here is something you can try. I don't know if it will work in Libre Office but see if this is a good work around. It works in Word10 Starter. I don't know the laptop command. The desktop command is shift numpad insert numpad minus, the rightmost key on the top row of the numpad. In other words, hold shift and numpad insert and while doing so, press numpad minus. If you press it twice, it moves the carret to the focus of the object navigator. Be in object navigation mode. This won't work if you don't.

If you are inn object navigation, the entire document you open is seen by NVDA as one object. You can read from beginning to end with object navigation commands. To test whether this procedure works, do the following using laptop keyboard commands if you are using a laptop. I don't know them; I'll give the desktop commands.
Open a document. Start reading with read to end of navigator object, numpad plus. See if the document reads without interruption.
If you want to move to where you stop reading, the navigator will be there but if you want to work with the document and move the carret there, issue the command I gave earlier, shift num;pad insert numpad minus. Issue it twice quickly. You can keep holding the shift but when you issue it quickly, you must release all the other keys including numpad insert. that will move the cursor to where the navigator is, in other words, to where you stopped reading.

See if this work around works in Libre Office.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2020 11:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA read-to-end


FIrstly Leslie,

No, we haven't changed anything from our end, you should be able to press NVDA+A (Laptop keyboard layout) or NVDA+down arrow (desktop keyboard layout) to say all, in a document, a web page or an email.

Now as for what is happening, as Gene mentioned, a log would help, ideally at Debug level, and ideally with add-ons disabled (do you have any add-ons?)

Looking through our issues I found: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/10852 about say all in Firefox or Wordpad which was resolved by the user running the COM registration fixing tool. To do that, press NVDA+N, then press T for tools, then down arrow to "Run COM registration fixing tool" and press ENTER.

There are a handful of other closed issues which were either from using broken add-ons, or illegal ones, or other things which have been fixed and merged in NVDA 2019.3 and earlier.

One which is still open is https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/4119 which is an issue in Libre Office at least. Last time I looked at this issue, the workaround I found which resolved it, was when you open a document in Libre Office, press CONTROL+END to jump to the very bottom of the document, then CONTROL+HOME to come back to the top, then say all should work.

I just tested and it looks like that issue is still present in Libre Office 6.3.0.4 using the latest NVDA alpha. That isn't isn't in WordPad to my knowledge however. As far as I know, that is caused by a bug in Libre Office and has pretty much always been there.

I just update to Libre Office 7.0.0 and it still behaves the same.

Quentin.


On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 1:31 PM Leslie <soundsofmusic@...> wrote:


Unless I press NVDA plus A I can never read a full email. This just started with the newest update. If I want to skip down through a long message I need to press control plus down arrow. If I don’t press those keys, I can’t keep moving through the email. I thought something I did to my computer did this until someone else in the class I’m taking had the same problem and we both have NVDA. Is this a bug or is this the way you want as a new NVDA. Thing? I couldn’t find it in the commands.



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Hettie
 

David

Thanks for the reply. I use the synthesizer that comes with nvda, think it is Espeak.


Hettie


On 2020/08/25 11:25 pm, David Goldfield wrote:

Hettie,

First, I do recall encountering this issue with LibreOffice but this was many years ago. I'll give it a try with NVDA 2020.2 with LibreOffice 7.0, which was recently released. Also, which synthesizer are you using? I ask because Acapela recently released a new version of its NVDA driver which they report corrects a read all issue although they did not go into specifics as to what the problem actually was.


David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
www.DavidGoldfield.org
On 8/25/2020 2:23 PM, Hettie wrote:

Hi Quintin

After trying the read-to-end in thunderbird and wordpad it seems to be a problem with LibreOffice. I can't upgrade to Microsoft Office 10 and tried LibreOffice  as an alternative as it has a word processor as well as a spread sheet unction. Wordpad can perform all I need but I need another program that can read and work with Excel, anyone has ideas of what other accessible software I can use?


Thanks


Hettie

 

On 2020/08/25 6:54 am, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Are you using NVDA in desktop keyboard layout or laptop keyboard layout?  NVDA+down arrow is the Desktop layout keystroke to read to end.  NVDA+a is the laptop keyboard layout shortcut.

To make it a bit more confusing, NVDA+down arrow, in laptop keyboard layout, moves the review cursor to the next line, so if you are in laptop layout and press that keystroke, it will seem like you've entered the read to end command and NVDA is simply reading the next line down and then stopping.

If you are definitely in desktop keyboard layout and NVDA is stopping partway through a paragraph, could you please give a bit more information about the exact program you are in or where it does and does not work?

Kind regards

Quentin.
Quentin.

On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 4:27 AM Hettie <woehler.hettie@...> wrote:

Hi all

Sorry, I didn't pay attention when this topic was discussed in earlier posts as I haven't come accross that problem then.

Now however I do experience nvda reading to the end of the paragraph when pressing the nvda + down-arrow keys. Unfortunately I haven't seen a post with the solution. Can you please help ?

Thanks.


Hettie



On 2020/08/21 2:25 pm, Ralf Kefferpuetz wrote:

Hello,

Go to the NVDA icon in the systray by pressing Windows-B (on your Mac keyboard Option-B), hit the letter N until you come to NVDA and press Enter

 

Cheers,

  Ralf

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Hicks Steven (CORNWALL IT SERVICES) via groups.io
Sent: Freitag, 21. August 2020 13:54
To: NVDA@NVDA.Groups.IO
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Menu

 

Hi friends,

 

I Have installed NVDA on a machine which has a bluetooth keyboard and I can’t find the insert key, not sure if it has one, it is the Apple style layout.

I Need to bring up the NVDA menu to go in to the options and change the keyboard layout to be laptop but I can’t perform an instert+n, does anyone know of another way to bring up the NVDA menu please?

 



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David Goldfield
 

Hi. While Espeak does ship with NVDA the default synthesizer is Windows Onecore from Microsoft. Are you actually using the Espeak voices or the Onecore voices?

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
On 8/26/2020 3:44 PM, Hettie wrote:

David

Thanks for the reply. I use the synthesizer that comes with nvda, think it is Espeak.


Hettie


On 2020/08/25 11:25 pm, David Goldfield wrote:

Hettie,

First, I do recall encountering this issue with LibreOffice but this was many years ago. I'll give it a try with NVDA 2020.2 with LibreOffice 7.0, which was recently released. Also, which synthesizer are you using? I ask because Acapela recently released a new version of its NVDA driver which they report corrects a read all issue although they did not go into specifics as to what the problem actually was.


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On 8/25/2020 2:23 PM, Hettie wrote:

Hi Quintin

After trying the read-to-end in thunderbird and wordpad it seems to be a problem with LibreOffice. I can't upgrade to Microsoft Office 10 and tried LibreOffice  as an alternative as it has a word processor as well as a spread sheet unction. Wordpad can perform all I need but I need another program that can read and work with Excel, anyone has ideas of what other accessible software I can use?


Thanks


Hettie

 

On 2020/08/25 6:54 am, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Are you using NVDA in desktop keyboard layout or laptop keyboard layout?  NVDA+down arrow is the Desktop layout keystroke to read to end.  NVDA+a is the laptop keyboard layout shortcut.

To make it a bit more confusing, NVDA+down arrow, in laptop keyboard layout, moves the review cursor to the next line, so if you are in laptop layout and press that keystroke, it will seem like you've entered the read to end command and NVDA is simply reading the next line down and then stopping.

If you are definitely in desktop keyboard layout and NVDA is stopping partway through a paragraph, could you please give a bit more information about the exact program you are in or where it does and does not work?

Kind regards

Quentin.
Quentin.

On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 4:27 AM Hettie <woehler.hettie@...> wrote:

Hi all

Sorry, I didn't pay attention when this topic was discussed in earlier posts as I haven't come accross that problem then.

Now however I do experience nvda reading to the end of the paragraph when pressing the nvda + down-arrow keys. Unfortunately I haven't seen a post with the solution. Can you please help ?

Thanks.


Hettie



On 2020/08/21 2:25 pm, Ralf Kefferpuetz wrote:

Hello,

Go to the NVDA icon in the systray by pressing Windows-B (on your Mac keyboard Option-B), hit the letter N until you come to NVDA and press Enter

 

Cheers,

  Ralf

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Hicks Steven (CORNWALL IT SERVICES) via groups.io
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Subject: [nvda] NVDA Menu

 

Hi friends,

 

I Have installed NVDA on a machine which has a bluetooth keyboard and I can’t find the insert key, not sure if it has one, it is the Apple style layout.

I Need to bring up the NVDA menu to go in to the options and change the keyboard layout to be laptop but I can’t perform an instert+n, does anyone know of another way to bring up the NVDA menu please?

 



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George McCoy
 

Let me say at the outset, I usually hybernate my computer when I'm through with it for the day. When I have this issue, running with add-ons disabled does not help.  I even completely uninstalled NvDA. by 'completely' I mean I also removed appData\roaming\nvda and all its subdirectories. When I reinstalled NvDA, the issue was not resolved.  I shut down the computer and rebooted several times. No joy. I chose 'restart' several times. No joy.  Then, one morning when I brought the system out of hybernation, everything worked properly.

I had trouble with read to end with Notetab ++, Thunderbird v 68, Firefox and Brave browsers.

I'll save the log next time it happens.


George

On 8/25/2020 11:47 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
FIrstly Leslie,

No, we haven't changed anything from our end, you should be able to press NVDA+A (Laptop keyboard layout) or NVDA+down arrow (desktop keyboard layout) to say all, in a document, a web page or an email.

Now as for what is happening, as Gene mentioned, a log would help, ideally at Debug level, and ideally with add-ons disabled (do you have any add-ons?)

Looking through our issues I found: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/10852 about say all in Firefox or Wordpad which was resolved by the user running the COM registration fixing tool.  To do that, press NVDA+N, then press T for tools, then down arrow to "Run COM registration fixing tool" and press ENTER.

There are a handful of other closed issues which were either from using broken add-ons, or illegal ones, or other things which have been fixed and merged in NVDA 2019.3 and earlier.

One which is still open is https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/4119 which is an issue in Libre Office at least.  Last time I looked at this issue, the workaround I found which resolved it, was when you open a document in Libre Office, press CONTROL+END to jump to the very bottom of the document, then CONTROL+HOME to come back to the top, then say all should work.

I just tested and it looks like that issue is still present in Libre Office 6.3.0.4 using the latest NVDA alpha.  That isn't isn't in WordPad to my knowledge however.  As far as I know, that is caused by a bug in Libre Office and has pretty much always been there.

I just update to Libre Office 7.0.0 and it still behaves the same.

Quentin.

On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 1:31 PM Leslie <soundsofmusic@...> wrote:

Unless I press NVDA plus A I can never read a full email.  This just started with the newest update.  If I want to skip down through a long message I need to press control plus down arrow.  If I don’t press those keys, I can’t keep moving through the email.  I thought something I did to my computer did this until someone else in the class I’m taking had the same problem and we both have NVDA.  Is this a bug or is this the way you want as a new NVDA. Thing?  I couldn’t find it in the commands.

 

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Hettie
 

I'm using the Espeak voices.



On 2020/08/26 11:56 pm, David Goldfield wrote:

Hi. While Espeak does ship with NVDA the default synthesizer is Windows Onecore from Microsoft. Are you actually using the Espeak voices or the Onecore voices?

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On 8/26/2020 3:44 PM, Hettie wrote:

David

Thanks for the reply. I use the synthesizer that comes with nvda, think it is Espeak.


Hettie


On 2020/08/25 11:25 pm, David Goldfield wrote:

Hettie,

First, I do recall encountering this issue with LibreOffice but this was many years ago. I'll give it a try with NVDA 2020.2 with LibreOffice 7.0, which was recently released. Also, which synthesizer are you using? I ask because Acapela recently released a new version of its NVDA driver which they report corrects a read all issue although they did not go into specifics as to what the problem actually was.


David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
www.DavidGoldfield.org
On 8/25/2020 2:23 PM, Hettie wrote:

Hi Quintin

After trying the read-to-end in thunderbird and wordpad it seems to be a problem with LibreOffice. I can't upgrade to Microsoft Office 10 and tried LibreOffice  as an alternative as it has a word processor as well as a spread sheet unction. Wordpad can perform all I need but I need another program that can read and work with Excel, anyone has ideas of what other accessible software I can use?


Thanks


Hettie

 

On 2020/08/25 6:54 am, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Are you using NVDA in desktop keyboard layout or laptop keyboard layout?  NVDA+down arrow is the Desktop layout keystroke to read to end.  NVDA+a is the laptop keyboard layout shortcut.

To make it a bit more confusing, NVDA+down arrow, in laptop keyboard layout, moves the review cursor to the next line, so if you are in laptop layout and press that keystroke, it will seem like you've entered the read to end command and NVDA is simply reading the next line down and then stopping.

If you are definitely in desktop keyboard layout and NVDA is stopping partway through a paragraph, could you please give a bit more information about the exact program you are in or where it does and does not work?

Kind regards

Quentin.
Quentin.

On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 4:27 AM Hettie <woehler.hettie@...> wrote:

Hi all

Sorry, I didn't pay attention when this topic was discussed in earlier posts as I haven't come accross that problem then.

Now however I do experience nvda reading to the end of the paragraph when pressing the nvda + down-arrow keys. Unfortunately I haven't seen a post with the solution. Can you please help ?

Thanks.


Hettie



On 2020/08/21 2:25 pm, Ralf Kefferpuetz wrote:

Hello,

Go to the NVDA icon in the systray by pressing Windows-B (on your Mac keyboard Option-B), hit the letter N until you come to NVDA and press Enter

 

Cheers,

  Ralf

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Hicks Steven (CORNWALL IT SERVICES) via groups.io
Sent: Freitag, 21. August 2020 13:54
To: NVDA@NVDA.Groups.IO
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Menu

 

Hi friends,

 

I Have installed NVDA on a machine which has a bluetooth keyboard and I can’t find the insert key, not sure if it has one, it is the Apple style layout.

I Need to bring up the NVDA menu to go in to the options and change the keyboard layout to be laptop but I can’t perform an instert+n, does anyone know of another way to bring up the NVDA menu please?

 



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Robert Logue
 

I've done just this so many times till I finally realized the difference in layouts.  I have a laptop and a desktop and keep switching and forgetting keystrokes.


I need to be careful using nvda plus a to read to end while in thunderbird as a alone archives a message. 


Bob


On 2020-08-24 10:54 p.m., Quentin Christensen wrote:
Are you using NVDA in desktop keyboard layout or laptop keyboard layout?  NVDA+down arrow is the Desktop layout keystroke to read to end.  NVDA+a is the laptop keyboard layout shortcut.

To make it a bit more confusing, NVDA+down arrow, in laptop keyboard layout, moves the review cursor to the next line, so if you are in laptop layout and press that keystroke, it will seem like you've entered the read to end command and NVDA is simply reading the next line down and then stopping.

If you are definitely in desktop keyboard layout and NVDA is stopping partway through a paragraph, could you please give a bit more information about the exact program you are in or where it does and does not work?

Kind regards

Quentin.
Quentin.

On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 4:27 AM Hettie <woehler.hettie@...> wrote:

Hi all

Sorry, I didn't pay attention when this topic was discussed in earlier posts as I haven't come accross that problem then.

Now however I do experience nvda reading to the end of the paragraph when pressing the nvda + down-arrow keys. Unfortunately I haven't seen a post with the solution. Can you please help ?

Thanks.


Hettie



On 2020/08/21 2:25 pm, Ralf Kefferpuetz wrote:

Hello,

Go to the NVDA icon in the systray by pressing Windows-B (on your Mac keyboard Option-B), hit the letter N until you come to NVDA and press Enter

 

Cheers,

  Ralf

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Hicks Steven (CORNWALL IT SERVICES) via groups.io
Sent: Freitag, 21. August 2020 13:54
To: NVDA@NVDA.Groups.IO
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Menu

 

Hi friends,

 

I Have installed NVDA on a machine which has a bluetooth keyboard and I can’t find the insert key, not sure if it has one, it is the Apple style layout.

I Need to bring up the NVDA menu to go in to the options and change the keyboard layout to be laptop but I can’t perform an instert+n, does anyone know of another way to bring up the NVDA menu please?

 



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