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NVDA reading names of selected files in a file list


 

On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 06:52 PM, Janet Brandly wrote:
Window-Eyes used to do this.
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Interesting.  While I did play with Window-Eyes, it was very, very briefly.  And once it was acquired by Freedom Scientific and deprecated I never touched it again.
 
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Quentin Christensen
 

Thanks Rui, that's handy!

And yes, all of these are workarounds for the original issue, which btw we do have an issue for: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/5005


On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 8:20 PM Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@...> wrote:

Hello Quentin!


Ther is a add-on, develloped by me, that allows the reading of status bar in Windows 10 File explorer...

You can get it at:

https://www.tiflotecnia.net/ZExplorer.nvda-addon


The option that I think Janet wants does not exist in NVDA, meaning that NVDA have no way to read the name of selected files...


Rui Fontes

NVDA portuguese team



Às 09:16 de 17/09/2020, Quentin Christensen escreveu:
Normally, as Gene noted, you should be able to use NVDA+end / NVDA+shift+end to read the status bar, however there is a bug preventing that from Working in File Explorer in Windows 10 - https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6769

One thing you can do, is use NVDA's next and previous object commands (NVDA+numpad 4 / NVDA+shift+left arrow for previous, NVDA+numpad 6 / NVDA+shift+right arrow for next).  That will move object navigation through the items in the list.  One quirk is it won't announce "selected" for items which are selected, but will announce "not selected" for items which are not selected.  (It's not so much a bug as, 99% of the time people are moving through the list one item at a time and don't want to hear every item as selected).

Quentin.

On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 12:39 PM Aravind R <aravind.andhrabank@...> wrote:
use tab and shift+tab to ensure you are in list view for selecting files.

On 17/09/2020, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> I don't know what Windows 10 does, Windows 7 displays a status line you  can
>
> read that tells you the number of files selected.
>
> As I recall, the NVDA command to read what is selected only applies to
> text.
> Gene
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Janet Brandly
> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 9:27 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] Reading names of selected files
>
>
>
> Hello all,
>
> I’m using the latest NVDA (not the beta) with windows 10 I’m trying to move
>
> some files from my downloads folder into my documents folder and using the
> shift + down-arrow keys to select them, but NVDA isn’t confirming that
> they’re
> selected when I use the “read selected text” command. Is there a better
> command to use to confirm that files are selected for moving, copying, ect?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Janet
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


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Rui Fontes
 

Very strange!

Maybe some problem in manifest.ini...


Try this one:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/1icqocjs6xztdh7/ZExplorer_1.0_Gen.nvda-addon?dl=1


Rui Fontes

NVDA portuguese team


Às 18:43 de 17/09/2020, Janet Brandly escreveu:

Hello Rui,

I just had a look at your addon and it doesn’t seem to be compatible with the latest stable version of NVDA. That’s unfortunate.

Janet

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rui Fontes
Sent: September 17, 2020 4:20 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading names of selected files

 

Hello Quentin!

 

Ther is a add-on, develloped by me, that allows the reading of status bar in Windows 10 File explorer...

You can get it at:

https://www.tiflotecnia.net/ZExplorer.nvda-addon

 

The option that I think Janet wants does not exist in NVDA, meaning that NVDA have no way to read the name of selected files...

 

Rui Fontes

NVDA portuguese team

 

 

Às 09:16 de 17/09/2020, Quentin Christensen escreveu:

Normally, as Gene noted, you should be able to use NVDA+end / NVDA+shift+end to read the status bar, however there is a bug preventing that from Working in File Explorer in Windows 10 - https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6769

 

One thing you can do, is use NVDA's next and previous object commands (NVDA+numpad 4 / NVDA+shift+left arrow for previous, NVDA+numpad 6 / NVDA+shift+right arrow for next).  That will move object navigation through the items in the list.  One quirk is it won't announce "selected" for items which are selected, but will announce "not selected" for items which are not selected.  (It's not so much a bug as, 99% of the time people are moving through the list one item at a time and don't want to hear every item as selected).

 

Quentin.

 

On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 12:39 PM Aravind R <aravind.andhrabank@...> wrote:

use tab and shift+tab to ensure you are in list view for selecting files.

On 17/09/2020, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> I don't know what Windows 10 does, Windows 7 displays a status line you  can
>
> read that tells you the number of files selected.
>
> As I recall, the NVDA command to read what is selected only applies to
> text.
> Gene
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Janet Brandly
> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 9:27 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] Reading names of selected files
>
>
>
> Hello all,
>
> I’m using the latest NVDA (not the beta) with windows 10 I’m trying to move
>
> some files from my downloads folder into my documents folder and using the
> shift + down-arrow keys to select them, but NVDA isn’t confirming that
> they’re
> selected when I use the “read selected text” command. Is there a better
> command to use to confirm that files are selected for moving, copying, ect?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Janet
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


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mobile no: +91 9940369593,
email id : aravind_069@..., aravind.andhrabank@....
aravind.rajendran@....




 

 

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Rui,

           FYI, that version of the Add-On is allowing it to be installed.  The original would not install for me, either.
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Rui Fontes
 

Yes, it is a manifest.ini problem with some final versions of NVDA...

Without any change in the manifest.ini was working alright in the last Alpha...


Rui Fontes


Às 16:27 de 18/09/2020, Brian Vogel escreveu:

Rui,

           FYI, that version of the Add-On is allowing it to be installed.  The original would not install for me, either.
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Rui,

        Now the question is, "How does one use the add-on?"

        I've got it installed, and I've gone to the NVDA Help Menu, Running Add-Ons Documentation, Add Status Bar Reading and the only thing that's displayed in the browser for help is, "Addon ZExplorer, Allows the correct obtaining of the status bar content."   It would be useful to have this documentation give the keystroke or keystrokes and change the title from "Addon ZExplorer" to "Add Status Bar Reading" so that it matches what shows up in the menu structure.

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A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

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Chris Mullins
 

Hi Brian

You use the standard NVDA command for “read status bar”, NVDA+End

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: 18 September 2020 16:50
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading names of selected files

 

Rui,

        Now the question is, "How does one use the add-on?"

        I've got it installed, and I've gone to the NVDA Help Menu, Running Add-Ons Documentation, Add Status Bar Reading and the only thing that's displayed in the browser for help is, "Addon ZExplorer, Allows the correct obtaining of the status bar content."   It would be useful to have this documentation give the keystroke or keystrokes and change the title from "Addon ZExplorer" to "Add Status Bar Reading" so that it matches what shows up in the menu structure.

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A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

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Rui Fontes
 

Exato!


Rui


Às 16:50 de 18/09/2020, Brian Vogel escreveu:

Rui,

        Now the question is, "How does one use the add-on?"

        I've got it installed, and I've gone to the NVDA Help Menu, Running Add-Ons Documentation, Add Status Bar Reading and the only thing that's displayed in the browser for help is, "Addon ZExplorer, Allows the correct obtaining of the status bar content."   It would be useful to have this documentation give the keystroke or keystrokes and change the title from "Addon ZExplorer" to "Add Status Bar Reading" so that it matches what shows up in the menu structure.

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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 


 

Chris,

           Thanks very much.

           The documentation still needs to be updated to reflect this since Add-Ons very often don't use the native shortcuts.

           The relatively new feature of having add-ons documentation available within NVDA itself makes it really important that all of them have something substantive that tells you about how to use them.  Very often, that may be a line or two, maybe a couple of paragraphs, but having it there for reference is critical.

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A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 


Gene
 

But since so many add-ons use their own commands, it would be good to include that information somewhere.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Mullins
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 11:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading names of selected files



Hi Brian

You use the standard NVDA command for “read status bar”, NVDA+End



Cheers

Chris





From: Brian Vogel
Sent: 18 September 2020 16:50
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading names of selected files





Rui,

Now the question is, "How does one use the add-on?"

I've got it installed, and I've gone to the NVDA Help Menu, Running Add-Ons Documentation, Add Status Bar Reading and the only thing that's displayed in the browser for help is, "Addon ZExplorer, Allows the correct obtaining of the status bar content." It would be useful to have this documentation give the keystroke or keystrokes and change the title from "Addon ZExplorer" to "Add Status Bar Reading" so that it matches what shows up in the menu structure.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

~ Oscar Wilde


Janet Brandly
 

Hello all,

I was a loyal Window-Eyes user for more than 20 years, but when it was bought out, I didn’t want anything to do with it. That’s when I switched to NVDA. So far I have been very pleased. However, I am disappointed that NVDA cannot perform this basic function. As for the add-on, as others have said, there needs to be some up-to-date supporting documentation. And, when I went to install it yesterday, I got a message indicating that it is not compatible with the newest version of NVDA. For philosophical and financial reasons, I will not use JAWS. Fortunately, at this time, selecting and manipulating files from a list is not something I have to do regularly. I will try some of the work-arounds some have mentioned; perhaps Narrator can do this?

Thanks for the comments and suggestions,

Janet


 

Hi,

Narrator might not be able to do this either.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Janet Brandly
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 10:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA reading names of selected files in a file list

 

Hello all,

I was a loyal Window-Eyes user for more than 20 years, but when it was bought out, I didn’t want anything to do with it. That’s when I switched to NVDA. So far I have been very pleased. However, I am disappointed that NVDA cannot perform this basic function. As for the add-on, as others have said, there needs to be some up-to-date supporting documentation. And, when I went to install it yesterday, I got a message indicating that it is not compatible with the newest version of NVDA. For philosophical and financial reasons, I will not use JAWS. Fortunately, at this time, selecting and manipulating files from a list is not something I have to do regularly. I will try some of the work-arounds some have mentioned; perhaps Narrator can do this?

Thanks for the comments and suggestions,

Janet