NVDA Responsiveness in Versions of Microsoft Office


Bhavya shah
 

Dear all,

I currently have Word for Microsoft 365 installed on my Windows 10
powered laptop. Since several NVDA versions, I have generally not been
satisfied with NVDA’s responsiveness in this version of Word, whether
it be in navigation through large documents on editing text in small
ones. Turning on experimental UIA support improves responsiveness but
introduces various other bugs. As such, I am considering switching to
another version of Microsoft Office. Which one would you say, say 2013
or 2019, is NVDA snappiest in?

I would appreciate any assistance and thoughts in this regard.

Best Regards,
Bhavya Shah
Stanford University | Class of 2024
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/


Quentin Christensen
 

I found a couple of articles on steps to improve responsiveness in Word:



Before things like reinstalling Word, I'd be inclined to look at things like what add-ins you are using, and disabling things like "live preview" etc.

Of course, if you can identify specific things which cause Word to slow down specifically with NVDA, then we'd be keen to investigate.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 6:18 AM Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@...> wrote:
Dear all,

I currently have Word for Microsoft 365 installed on my Windows 10
powered laptop. Since several NVDA versions, I have generally not been
satisfied with NVDA’s responsiveness in this version of Word, whether
it be in navigation through large documents on editing text in small
ones. Turning on experimental UIA support improves responsiveness but
introduces various other bugs. As such, I am considering switching to
another version of Microsoft Office. Which one would you say, say 2013
or 2019, is NVDA snappiest in?

I would appreciate any assistance and thoughts in this regard.

Best Regards,
Bhavya Shah
Stanford University | Class of 2024
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/







--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Fawaz Abdul rahman
 

< Turning on experimental UIA support improves responsiveness but
< introduces various other bugs.
What are the other bugs it introduces? Just to be alert since I don't remember facing any, but I haven't played with Word much lately.
thanks.


On Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 3:20 AM Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
I found a couple of articles on steps to improve responsiveness in Word:



Before things like reinstalling Word, I'd be inclined to look at things like what add-ins you are using, and disabling things like "live preview" etc.

Of course, if you can identify specific things which cause Word to slow down specifically with NVDA, then we'd be keen to investigate.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 6:18 AM Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@...> wrote:
Dear all,

I currently have Word for Microsoft 365 installed on my Windows 10
powered laptop. Since several NVDA versions, I have generally not been
satisfied with NVDA’s responsiveness in this version of Word, whether
it be in navigation through large documents on editing text in small
ones. Turning on experimental UIA support improves responsiveness but
introduces various other bugs. As such, I am considering switching to
another version of Microsoft Office. Which one would you say, say 2013
or 2019, is NVDA snappiest in?

I would appreciate any assistance and thoughts in this regard.

Best Regards,
Bhavya Shah
Stanford University | Class of 2024
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/







--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Jujube
 

I have a feeling that UIA support is still kind of janky at best and is still under development, and yes, typing is much snappier in word with UIA turned on, and this computer has rather limited system resources btw. I know this isn't quite on topic, but I'll also mention a few things I noticed in Excel with UIA support turned on, and btw I have both office 16/365 (or something like that) which I got from my college for viewing narrated powerpoints and office 2007 (I know, I know, it's so old but that's what my family has). I found the following, particularly with the newer office version (and sorry I know this is Excel):
- Pressing NVDA+Space does not switch between browse an focus modes.
- Pressing NVDA control C and NVDA control R does not allow you to set automatic row and column header reading.
- Commands to select an entire row (shift + down arrow) and commands to select an entire column (control shift down arrow) don't work as intended. Instead, I get something like (selected 1 through 1) which isn't right.
And yes, none of these are a problem with UIA turned off.

And a few issues with excel and braille displays (and yes speech is perfectly fine here):
- When I enter browse mode and navigate between cells, nothing on the braille display changes but I hear all the contents read out to me in speech. This is not at all an issue in focus mode (and yes I did report this on NVDA issue tracker under the name mrsviolafangirl).
- When using the newer version of Excel (and yes this happens no matter if UIA is enabled or not), when I type into a cell with  a braille display connected, the contents of what I'm entering is not showing up on the braille display (but it is spoken just fine in speech) and I have to press escape or enter to read what I typed on the braille display. This is a non issue in my old MS Excel 2007.
And yes, I'm well aware that the number of people who use braille displays is quite limited so I totally understand if braille display issues are hard to reproduce.

Okay sorry for commenting on excel issues on this thread, but if there's some little quirks using NVDA with MS office that can use some fixes, it's worth mentioning lol.


Quentin Christensen
 

Have you checked whether these are all reported on https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues

Using UIA will become the default in time, so it's important that those testing things like this, ensure they are reported.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 4:20 PM Jujube <ellaxyu@...> wrote:
I have a feeling that UIA support is still kind of janky at best and is still under development, and yes, typing is much snappier in word with UIA turned on, and this computer has rather limited system resources btw. I know this isn't quite on topic, but I'll also mention a few things I noticed in Excel with UIA support turned on, and btw I have both office 16/365 (or something like that) which I got from my college for viewing narrated powerpoints and office 2007 (I know, I know, it's so old but that's what my family has). I found the following, particularly with the newer office version (and sorry I know this is Excel):
- Pressing NVDA+Space does not switch between browse an focus modes.
- Pressing NVDA control C and NVDA control R does not allow you to set automatic row and column header reading.
- Commands to select an entire row (shift + down arrow) and commands to select an entire column (control shift down arrow) don't work as intended. Instead, I get something like (selected 1 through 1) which isn't right.
And yes, none of these are a problem with UIA turned off.

And a few issues with excel and braille displays (and yes speech is perfectly fine here):
- When I enter browse mode and navigate between cells, nothing on the braille display changes but I hear all the contents read out to me in speech. This is not at all an issue in focus mode (and yes I did report this on NVDA issue tracker under the name mrsviolafangirl).
- When using the newer version of Excel (and yes this happens no matter if UIA is enabled or not), when I type into a cell with  a braille display connected, the contents of what I'm entering is not showing up on the braille display (but it is spoken just fine in speech) and I have to press escape or enter to read what I typed on the braille display. This is a non issue in my old MS Excel 2007.
And yes, I'm well aware that the number of people who use braille displays is quite limited so I totally understand if braille display issues are hard to reproduce.

Okay sorry for commenting on excel issues on this thread, but if there's some little quirks using NVDA with MS office that can use some fixes, it's worth mentioning lol.



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Jujube
 

Thanks Quentin for the reminder. I'll admit I'm very new to github, so I definitely have not checked closely. I'll check again.


On Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 1:58 AM Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
Have you checked whether these are all reported on https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues

Using UIA will become the default in time, so it's important that those testing things like this, ensure they are reported.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 4:20 PM Jujube <ellaxyu@...> wrote:
I have a feeling that UIA support is still kind of janky at best and is still under development, and yes, typing is much snappier in word with UIA turned on, and this computer has rather limited system resources btw. I know this isn't quite on topic, but I'll also mention a few things I noticed in Excel with UIA support turned on, and btw I have both office 16/365 (or something like that) which I got from my college for viewing narrated powerpoints and office 2007 (I know, I know, it's so old but that's what my family has). I found the following, particularly with the newer office version (and sorry I know this is Excel):
- Pressing NVDA+Space does not switch between browse an focus modes.
- Pressing NVDA control C and NVDA control R does not allow you to set automatic row and column header reading.
- Commands to select an entire row (shift + down arrow) and commands to select an entire column (control shift down arrow) don't work as intended. Instead, I get something like (selected 1 through 1) which isn't right.
And yes, none of these are a problem with UIA turned off.

And a few issues with excel and braille displays (and yes speech is perfectly fine here):
- When I enter browse mode and navigate between cells, nothing on the braille display changes but I hear all the contents read out to me in speech. This is not at all an issue in focus mode (and yes I did report this on NVDA issue tracker under the name mrsviolafangirl).
- When using the newer version of Excel (and yes this happens no matter if UIA is enabled or not), when I type into a cell with  a braille display connected, the contents of what I'm entering is not showing up on the braille display (but it is spoken just fine in speech) and I have to press escape or enter to read what I typed on the braille display. This is a non issue in my old MS Excel 2007.
And yes, I'm well aware that the number of people who use braille displays is quite limited so I totally understand if braille display issues are hard to reproduce.

Okay sorry for commenting on excel issues on this thread, but if there's some little quirks using NVDA with MS office that can use some fixes, it's worth mentioning lol.



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Bhavya shah
 

Dear Quentin,

Thanks for your helpful response. I will review the articles you
linked and try to follow their troubleshooting suggestions. In the
meantime, I do want to make sure, as you advised, that all my Word UIA
bugs are reported on GitHub. Currently, I am using the search phrase
"is:issue is:open label:component/UIA-ms-office" which is showing up
only 3 open tickets. Is there another broader or narrower component
for Word UIA? In case there are tickets you are aware of that should
be but are not tagged appropriately, could you add the relevant
components to them?

Thanks.

On 9/28/21, Jujube <ellaxyu@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks Quentin for the reminder. I'll admit I'm very new to github, so I
definitely have not checked closely. I'll check again.

On Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 1:58 AM Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org>
wrote:

Have you checked whether these are all reported on
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues

Using UIA will become the default in time, so it's important that those
testing things like this, ensure they are reported.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 4:20 PM Jujube <ellaxyu@gmail.com> wrote:

I have a feeling that UIA support is still kind of janky at best and is
still under development, and yes, typing is much snappier in word with
UIA
turned on, and this computer has rather limited system resources btw. I
know this isn't quite on topic, but I'll also mention a few things I
noticed in Excel with UIA support turned on, and btw I have both office
16/365 (or something like that) which I got from my college for viewing
narrated powerpoints and office 2007 (I know, I know, it's so old but
that's what my family has). I found the following, particularly with the
newer office version (and sorry I know this is Excel):
- Pressing NVDA+Space does not switch between browse an focus modes.
- Pressing NVDA control C and NVDA control R does not allow you to set
automatic row and column header reading.
- Commands to select an entire row (shift + down arrow) and commands to
select an entire column (control shift down arrow) don't work as
intended.
Instead, I get something like (selected 1 through 1) which isn't right.
And yes, none of these are a problem with UIA turned off.

And a few issues with excel and braille displays (and yes speech is
perfectly fine here):
- When I enter browse mode and navigate between cells, nothing on the
braille display changes but I hear all the contents read out to me in
speech. This is not at all an issue in focus mode (and yes I did report
this on NVDA issue tracker under the name mrsviolafangirl).
- When using the newer version of Excel (and yes this happens no matter
if UIA is enabled or not), when I type into a cell with a braille
display
connected, the contents of what I'm entering is not showing up on the
braille display (but it is spoken just fine in speech) and I have to
press
escape or enter to read what I typed on the braille display. This is a
non
issue in my old MS Excel 2007.
And yes, I'm well aware that the number of people who use braille
displays is quite limited so I totally understand if braille display
issues
are hard to reproduce.

Okay sorry for commenting on excel issues on this thread, but if there's
some little quirks using NVDA with MS office that can use some fixes,
it's
worth mentioning lol.

--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Web: www.nvaccess.org
Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>






--
Best Regards,
Bhavya Shah
Stanford University | Class of 2024
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/


Bhavya shah
 

Dear all,

My general concern of unresponsiveness in Word has been addressed for
the most part in recent development builds of NVDA. In particular, I
have had an imperfect but relatively smooth experience in using the
latest Alpha snapshot of NVDA in Word for Microsoft 365. I am
genuinely excited for the next couple stable releases of NVDA that
will package these improvements.

Thanks.

On 10/22/21, Bhavya shah via groups.io
<bhavya.shah125=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Dear Quentin,

Thanks for your helpful response. I will review the articles you
linked and try to follow their troubleshooting suggestions. In the
meantime, I do want to make sure, as you advised, that all my Word UIA
bugs are reported on GitHub. Currently, I am using the search phrase
"is:issue is:open label:component/UIA-ms-office" which is showing up
only 3 open tickets. Is there another broader or narrower component
for Word UIA? In case there are tickets you are aware of that should
be but are not tagged appropriately, could you add the relevant
components to them?

Thanks.

On 9/28/21, Jujube <ellaxyu@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks Quentin for the reminder. I'll admit I'm very new to github, so I
definitely have not checked closely. I'll check again.

On Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 1:58 AM Quentin Christensen
<quentin@nvaccess.org>
wrote:

Have you checked whether these are all reported on
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues

Using UIA will become the default in time, so it's important that those
testing things like this, ensure they are reported.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 4:20 PM Jujube <ellaxyu@gmail.com> wrote:

I have a feeling that UIA support is still kind of janky at best and is
still under development, and yes, typing is much snappier in word with
UIA
turned on, and this computer has rather limited system resources btw. I
know this isn't quite on topic, but I'll also mention a few things I
noticed in Excel with UIA support turned on, and btw I have both office
16/365 (or something like that) which I got from my college for viewing
narrated powerpoints and office 2007 (I know, I know, it's so old but
that's what my family has). I found the following, particularly with
the
newer office version (and sorry I know this is Excel):
- Pressing NVDA+Space does not switch between browse an focus modes.
- Pressing NVDA control C and NVDA control R does not allow you to set
automatic row and column header reading.
- Commands to select an entire row (shift + down arrow) and commands to
select an entire column (control shift down arrow) don't work as
intended.
Instead, I get something like (selected 1 through 1) which isn't right.
And yes, none of these are a problem with UIA turned off.

And a few issues with excel and braille displays (and yes speech is
perfectly fine here):
- When I enter browse mode and navigate between cells, nothing on the
braille display changes but I hear all the contents read out to me in
speech. This is not at all an issue in focus mode (and yes I did report
this on NVDA issue tracker under the name mrsviolafangirl).
- When using the newer version of Excel (and yes this happens no matter
if UIA is enabled or not), when I type into a cell with a braille
display
connected, the contents of what I'm entering is not showing up on the
braille display (but it is spoken just fine in speech) and I have to
press
escape or enter to read what I typed on the braille display. This is a
non
issue in my old MS Excel 2007.
And yes, I'm well aware that the number of people who use braille
displays is quite limited so I totally understand if braille display
issues
are hard to reproduce.

Okay sorry for commenting on excel issues on this thread, but if
there's
some little quirks using NVDA with MS office that can use some fixes,
it's
worth mentioning lol.

--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Web: www.nvaccess.org
Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>







--
Best Regards,
Bhavya Shah
Stanford University | Class of 2024
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/






--
Best Regards,
Bhavya Shah
Stanford University | Class of 2024
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/