nvda says blank after every lline
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Tiny Puppy
Running latest nvda. I think I fixed this once, but had to do a
system restore and it is back. Using outlook express (I know, I know, no longer supported, but I like it). Anyhow when arrowing through a message with up and down arrows, after each line of text nvda says blank. Is there a fix for this? Thanks. butchb@... |
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Arlene
Have you unloaded and reloaded NVDA? Although I haven’t used outlook express since 2011. Do you have another screen reader besides NVDA to replicate this problem? Maybe your outlook express no longer works.
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From: Tiny Puppy
Sent: March 19, 2023 8:16 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] nvda says blank after every lline
Running latest nvda. I think I fixed this once, but had to do a system restore and it is back. Using outlook express (I know, I know, no longer supported, but I like it). Anyhow when arrowing through a message with up and down arrows, after each line of text nvda says blank. Is there a fix for this? Thanks.
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Gene
Perhaps you are reading messages as plain text. If you switch to
HTML, you may not have the problem. To test that, after a message
is opened, use the command alt shift h to have the opened message
read as HTML. Or, use read to end and blank lines won't be
announced.
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Gene On 3/19/2023 9:37 PM, Tiny Puppy wrote:
Running latest nvda. I think I fixed this once, but had to do a system restore and it is back. Using outlook express (I know, I know, no longer supported, but I like it). Anyhow when arrowing through a message with up and down arrows, after each line of text nvda says blank. Is there a fix for this? Thanks. butchb@... . |
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Tiny Puppy
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Yes have done that. Works fine with
windoweyes.
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From: Arlene
Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2023 9:51 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda says blank after every lline Have you unloaded and reloaded NVDA? Although I haven’t used outlook express since 2011. Do you have another screen reader besides NVDA to replicate this problem? Maybe your outlook express no longer works.
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Tiny Puppy
Running latest nvda. I think I fixed this once, but had to do a system restore and it is back. Using outlook express (I know, I know, no longer supported, but I like it). Anyhow when arrowing through a message with up and down arrows, after each line of text nvda says blank. Is there a fix for this? Thanks.
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One thing you could try is using the default dictionary to suppress the announcement of blank lines. Just remember this will apply in ALL contexts, like form fields that are blank.
You'd do a dictionary entry of the regular expression type where the regular expression will be: ^\s*$ and the replacement string will be left blank/empty, as you want NVDA to say nothing. See: Using the NVDA Dictionaries with Regular Expression Matching to Change Pronunciations (docx) but use the regular expression above for the pattern and nothing/blank for the replacement rather than the examples used in the tutorial. -- Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit It is much easier to be critical than to be correct. ~ Benjamin Disraeli, 1804-1881 |
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By the way, if you want to limit that substitution for blank lines saying nothing to only apply in certain applications, you will want to use the noted solution in conjunction with the Application Dictionary Add-On (which has been updated for compatibility with NVDA 2023.1)
-- Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit It is much easier to be critical than to be correct. ~ Benjamin Disraeli, 1804-1881 |
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Tiny Puppy
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Thanks, I've never done that, so will take a
look. I think each line just hass a linefeed and that is what is causing
the problem.
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From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2023 9:39 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda says blank after every lline You'd do a dictionary entry of the regular expression type where the regular expression will be: ^\s*$ and the replacement string will be left blank/empty, as you want NVDA to say nothing. See: Using the NVDA Dictionaries with Regular Expression Matching to Change Pronunciations (docx) but use the regular expression above for the pattern and nothing/blank for the replacement rather than the examples used in the tutorial. -- Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit It is much easier to be critical than to be correct. ~ Benjamin Disraeli, 1804-1881 |
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Gene
But you would still have the inconvenience of arrowing through all
the now, silent, lines.
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Gene On 3/20/2023 10:39 AM, Brian Vogel
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On Mon, Mar 20, 2023 at 11:55 AM, Gene wrote:
But you would still have the inconvenience of arrowing through all the now, silent, lines.- Yes, and? The request to have "blank" silenced has occurred again and again (just search the archive). No one has ever proposed somehow pre-processing the text itself to remove all blank lines, as this is not practical. The request is just to not be inundated with "blank blank blank" when arrowing through blank lines, nothing more. -- Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit It is much easier to be critical than to be correct. ~ Benjamin Disraeli, 1804-1881 |
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Gene
You are assuming intent. I am not. The original message said blank
is spoken every other line. The person evidently down arrows
through messages and the person might find it annoying downarrowing
twice instead of once every time you want to move to the next line
of text.
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I think that reading mail as HTML should be tried if the person wants to down arrow through a message and have no blank lines, whether blank is spoken or not. I have seen this remove blank lines in messages. I am not saying you shouldn't present what you have as a solution but there is nothing wrong with me pointing out that all the empty lines would still be there, just silent. Gene On 3/20/2023 11:11 AM, Brian Vogel wrote: On Mon, Mar 20, 2023 at 11:55 AM, Gene wrote: |
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Tiny Puppy
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Odd part is it doesn't do it with window-eyes, and
nvda didn't use to do that.
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From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2023 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda says blank after every lline But you would still have the inconvenience of arrowing through all the now, silent, lines.- Yes, and? The request to have "blank" silenced has occurred again and again (just search the archive). No one has ever proposed somehow pre-processing the text itself to remove all blank lines, as this is not practical. The request is just to not be inundated with "blank blank blank" when arrowing through blank lines, nothing more. -- Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit It is much easier to be critical than to be correct. ~ Benjamin Disraeli, 1804-1881 |
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On Mon, Mar 20, 2023 at 12:22 PM, Gene wrote:
You are assuming intent. I am not.- Gene, you are assuming intent every bit as much as I am, just a different one. We are both free to address what we wish to address without the other questioning it. You just don't seem to get that, ever, and it's infuriating. -- Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit It is much easier to be critical than to be correct. ~ Benjamin Disraeli, 1804-1881 |
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Gene
I didn't use Window-eyes to any extent, but my recollection is that
it had a skip blank lines feature. I don't know what the default
was.
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Also, were you reading mail as HTML or plain text when you didn't see blank lines. And were you using the same e-mail programs over time? Gene On 3/20/2023 11:53 AM, Tiny Puppy
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Gene
You questioned my message, implying that I was addressing a problem
that the author didn't address, justifying your assertion by
referring to how it is addressed in the archives.
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Why else did you respond to my message. You say I don't get it. I do. I said one thing in my initial response and one thing only, that there would still be silent lines between each line of text. There is absolutely nothing wrong with pointing this out. I said, specifically, in my second message, that there is nothing wrong with you giving the procedure. You aren't the only one who gets annoyed. Gene Gene On 3/20/2023 12:01 PM, Brian Vogel
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Gene
Actually, I'm not sure if it had a skip blank lines feature or a
don't say blank when a blank line is encountered feature.
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Gene On 3/20/2023 12:08 PM, Gene wrote:
I didn't use Window-eyes to any extent, but my recollection is that it had a skip blank lines feature. I don't know what the default was. |
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Tiny Puppy
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It reads blank lines in notepad when I want them,
but not in email.
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From: Gene
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2023 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda says blank after every lline Also, were you reading mail as HTML or plain text when you didn't see blank lines. And were you using the same e-mail programs over time? Gene On 3/20/2023 11:53 AM, Tiny Puppy wrote:
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Arlene
Oh okay. I’ve seen this with Jaws when I first got this ten box. Jaws was saying blank but NVDA worked. Very seldem I’ve seen this with Jaws when I use windows ten mail.
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From: Tiny Puppy
Sent: March 20, 2023 4:24 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda says blank after every lline
Yes have done that. Works fine with windoweyes.
----- Original Message ----- From: Arlene Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2023 9:51 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda says blank after every lline
Have you unloaded and reloaded NVDA? Although I haven’t used outlook express since 2011. Do you have another screen reader besides NVDA to replicate this problem? Maybe your outlook express no longer works.
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From: Tiny Puppy
Running latest nvda. I think I fixed this once, but had to do a system restore and it is back. Using outlook express (I know, I know, no longer supported, but I like it). Anyhow when arrowing through a message with up and down arrows, after each line of text nvda says blank. Is there a fix for this? Thanks.
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Gene
You may have said before, but what screen-reader and e-mail program
are you using?
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I'm not sure what accounts for the difference you are describing. Gene On 3/20/2023 2:59 PM, Tiny Puppy wrote:
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Gene
I suspect that is because, when you read HTML using NVDA, paragraphs
aren't indicated by blank lines. JAWS indicates paragraphs on web
pages, with a blank line.
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I don't know how the first line of a paragraph in HTML looks to a sighted user but that is a difference between NVDA and JAWS. At times, I have seen messages with many blank lines when read as plain text but they aren't there using NVDA when the message is read as HTML and browse mode is being used. Gene Gene On 3/20/2023 4:35 PM, Arlene wrote:
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Tiny Puppy
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I mostly use nvda these days and that is where I
get the blank blank as I arrow through a message. No big deal I guess, it
didn't use to do that. With window-eyes, it reads just fine and
window-eyes still reades me blank lines in note pad.
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From: Gene
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2023 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda says blank after every lline I'm not sure what accounts for the difference you are describing. Gene On 3/20/2023 2:59 PM, Tiny Puppy wrote:
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