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OCR


Quentin Christensen
 

Good morning,

Has anyone compared OCR software lately?   I had someone ask about Omnipage 20.  I know a few people use Abbyy Finereader, but I wasn't sure how they compare or what other options are out there currently.

Kind regards

Quentin.

--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


 

No, I mainly use Chrome's built in OCR because it is the best free option out there, so far. I don't really need software OCR because I just open PDF's using Microsoft word. And, pretty much all my OCR is done with web documents, so, yeah. As for my mail, I don't get snail mail. I use a service that will scan all of my incoming mail and sends me extremely high quality photos of the envelopes and otherwise. Took a while because of all the legal paperwork, but I don't OCR anything physical, anymore.


Kerryn Gunness
 


i use abby
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 7:19 PM
Subject: [nvda] OCR

Good morning,

Has anyone compared OCR software lately?   I had someone ask about Omnipage 20.  I know a few people use Abbyy Finereader, but I wasn't sure how they compare or what other options are out there currently.

Kind regards

Quentin.

--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Jason White
 

ABBYY was updated last year. I haven’t yet purchased the upgrade, so can’t comment on the latest version. It handles document formatting well, including headings and footnotes from scanned images of journal articles.

 

From: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of "Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io" <k_gunness@...>
Reply-To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 at 18:48
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR

 

i use abby

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 7:19 PM

Subject: [nvda] OCR

 

Good morning,

 

Has anyone compared OCR software lately?   I had someone ask about Omnipage 20.  I know a few people use Abbyy Finereader, but I wasn't sure how they compare or what other options are out there currently.

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 


Aravind R
 

some pdfs are opening easily in mobile. but in system, if we open, it
is saying protection failure. if i try to do OCR, its asking for
password. how to overcome this?

On 09/01/2020, Jason White via Groups.Io <jason=jasonjgw.net@groups.io> wrote:
ABBYY was updated last year. I haven’t yet purchased the upgrade, so can’t
comment on the latest version. It handles document formatting well,
including headings and footnotes from scanned images of journal articles.



From: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of "Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io"
<k_gunness=yahoo.ca@groups.io>
Reply-To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 at 18:48
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR



i use abby



----- Original Message -----

From: Quentin Christensen

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 7:19 PM

Subject: [nvda] OCR



Good morning,



Has anyone compared OCR software lately? I had someone ask about Omnipage
20. I know a few people use Abbyy Finereader, but I wasn't sure how they
compare or what other options are out there currently.



Kind regards



Quentin.


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Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager



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email id : aravind_069@..., aravind.andhrabank@....
aravind.rajendran@....


Quentin Christensen
 

I was more thinking of OCR to use with a hardware scanner.  Sorry, I didn't expand on that thought originally :)


On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 11:25 AM Jason White via Groups.Io <jason=jasonjgw.net@groups.io> wrote:

ABBYY was updated last year. I haven’t yet purchased the upgrade, so can’t comment on the latest version. It handles document formatting well, including headings and footnotes from scanned images of journal articles.

 

From: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of "Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io" <k_gunness=yahoo.ca@groups.io>
Reply-To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 at 18:48
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR

 

i use abby

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 7:19 PM

Subject: [nvda] OCR

 

Good morning,

 

Has anyone compared OCR software lately?   I had someone ask about Omnipage 20.  I know a few people use Abbyy Finereader, but I wasn't sure how they compare or what other options are out there currently.

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Gene
 

I don't know if the bug was ever corrected, but Omnipage used to and may still have a bug that causes text to be misplaced when scanning multiple columns or two opposing pages.  Fine Reader never had such a bug.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2020 7:40 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR

I was more thinking of OCR to use with a hardware scanner.  Sorry, I didn't expand on that thought originally :)

On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 11:25 AM Jason White via Groups.Io <jason=jasonjgw.net@groups.io> wrote:

ABBYY was updated last year. I haven’t yet purchased the upgrade, so can’t comment on the latest version. It handles document formatting well, including headings and footnotes from scanned images of journal articles.

 

From: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of "Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io" <k_gunness=yahoo.ca@groups.io>
Reply-To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 at 18:48
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR

 

i use abby

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 7:19 PM

Subject: [nvda] OCR

 

Good morning,

 

Has anyone compared OCR software lately?   I had someone ask about Omnipage 20.  I know a few people use Abbyy Finereader, but I wasn't sure how they compare or what other options are out there currently.

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Quentin,

 

Happy New Year!

 

I see that you are looking for a comparison between Omnipage and Abbyyy Finereader but, for what it is worth, I can report on Abbyyy Finereader 11 where I am having great success with NVDA on Windows 10 all latest versions. I dont have Omnipage.

 

The application interface of Abbyyy Finereader is not very accesible. This is probably due to the fact that it is so image oriented. However, I use it in command mode and get excellent results. I can easily convert the resulting OCR file into any format such as word, Html, PDF or text, etc. under the Save As option.

 

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 1:40 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR

 

I was more thinking of OCR to use with a hardware scanner.  Sorry, I didn't expand on that thought originally :)

 

On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 11:25 AM Jason White via Groups.Io <jason=jasonjgw.net@groups.io> wrote:

ABBYY was updated last year. I haven’t yet purchased the upgrade, so can’t comment on the latest version. It handles document formatting well, including headings and footnotes from scanned images of journal articles.

 

From: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of "Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io" <k_gunness=yahoo.ca@groups.io>
Reply-To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 at 18:48
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR

 

i use abby

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 7:19 PM

Subject: [nvda] OCR

 

Good morning,

 

Has anyone compared OCR software lately?   I had someone ask about Omnipage 20.  I know a few people use Abbyy Finereader, but I wasn't sure how they compare or what other options are out there currently.

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 


 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 


Jason White
 

ABBYY will work with a hardware scanner as well. Alternatively, you could scan the pages to images in a PDF file before running the OCR process. Actually, some scanners generate PDF output directly, saving the file to a USB drive or sending it to you via email. However, so far as I know, none of these devices is likely to be very accessible. In my work environment, they are the modern alternative to photocopiers – someone can just process a series of pages and receive a PDF via email directly from the device.

 

From: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Quentin Christensen <quentin@...>
Reply-To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 at 20:40
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR

 

I was more thinking of OCR to use with a hardware scanner.  Sorry, I didn't expand on that thought originally :)

 

On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 11:25 AM Jason White via Groups.Io <jason=jasonjgw.net@groups.io> wrote:

ABBYY was updated last year. I haven’t yet purchased the upgrade, so can’t comment on the latest version. It handles document formatting well, including headings and footnotes from scanned images of journal articles.

 

From: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of "Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io" <k_gunness=yahoo.ca@groups.io>
Reply-To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 at 18:48
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR

 

i use abby

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 7:19 PM

Subject: [nvda] OCR

 

Good morning,

 

Has anyone compared OCR software lately?   I had someone ask about Omnipage 20.  I know a few people use Abbyy Finereader, but I wasn't sure how they compare or what other options are out there currently.

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 


 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 


Brian Crabtree
 

I don’t have any recent experience of Abbyy, but I set up Omnipage for a friend in 2018 and he finds it works well with his flatbed scanner. 

I set up two simple workflows using Omnipage itself (I can’t write scripts) and he runs them using NVDA, rather than using the buttons on the scanner. 

What follows are my instructions on using the workflows, in case they might help someone to choose between Abby and Omnipage. Here they are:

The workflows allow you to choose either to scan a physical document before doing O C R or to select a document to O C R - for example, a file that was attached to an email, so is already in electronic form but is not yet readable by NVDA.

Each set of instructions to Omnipage is called a workflow - the one you will normally want I have called "Scan to Word”. 

The way to run a scan is to start Omnipage from the TaskBar, using Windows key plus T for Tango, then arrowing to Omnipage and pressing Enter to start it.

It seems that Omnipage does not remember which workflow you were using last, so you need to change the workflow each time, as follows:
  • Load Omnipage.
  • Remove the document it has saved from the previous run, if any, by pressing alt plus f then n.
  • Press No when asked to save it.
  • Select the correct workflow using alt plus p then w to open the workflows list.
  • Arrow down to the one for “Scan to Word” and press Enter to select it.
  • Start the selected workflow using alt plus p then w then s - if you are scanning, the scan will start.
  • N B  if you choose the workflow to O C R a file that you have saved earlier (e.g. one which was attached to an email) you will be taken to a File Explorer window, to choose it, with the current directory set to Downloads, so it’s easiest if you save attachments in the Downloads folder.
  • Wait for the workflow to complete - for the scan workflow, click the "stop loading pages" button.
  • NVDA seems not to speak, so alt plus tab out & back to start speech and you should hear it speak the wording that has been recognised.
If NVDA refuses to speak, you can get Omnipage to voice the result. After pressing caps lock plus S (twice) to turn NVDA speech off:
  • turn on Omnipage's speech mode by pressing F5 or alt plus t then s.
  • press ctrl plus end to hear the result spoken.
  • you can interrupt or stop Omnipage speech by pressing F.
  • after it finishes, turn NVDA speech back on with caps lock plus S.



Simone Dal Maso
 

Robert, what is Chrome OCR?
I don't know this feature.


Aravind R
 

Get image descriptions on Chrome
When you use a screen reader in Chrome, you can get descriptions of
unlabeled images, for example, images that don’t have alt text.
Images are sent to Google to create the descriptions. If Google cannot
describe an image, the screen reader will say “No description
available.”
Note: Image descriptions are only in English, even if your browser is
in a different language.
Turn Image Descriptions on or off
You can turn image descriptions on in Chrome Settings or in the context menu.
Turn on image descriptions from Google in the context menu
You can turn on image descriptions for all pages or for just one specific page.
1. On your computer, open Chrome browser.
2. Open the context menu.

Windows: Shift+F10.

Mac: VoiceOver+Shift+ m or Ctrl + Alt + Shift + m.

Chrome OS: Search+m.
3. Use the up or down arrow keys to select "Get Image Descriptions from Google"
4. Use the right or left arrow to open the image description menu.
5. When you turn image descriptions on or off, you may be asked to
agree to image descriptions from Google. Turn image descriptions on or
off:

For one page: Press space to select Just once.

For all pages: Press space to select Always.
If you had image descriptions allowed for only one page, leave or
refresh the page to turn it off.
If you turn on image descriptions for all pages, there will be a check
mark next to the option “Get image descriptions from Google” in the
context menu.
If you are signed-in and syncing to Chrome, you’ll have image
descriptions on all signed-in and synced devices.
Turn on image descriptions in Chrome settings
You can also turn image descriptions for all pages on and off in
Chrome settings. Image descriptions for all pages work the same way if
they are turned on in settings or the context menu.
1. On your computer, open Chrome.
2. Next to the address bar, select More More and then Settings.
3. At the bottom of the Settings page, click Advanced.
4. Under “Accessibility,” turn “Get image descriptions from Google” on or off.
You’ll see a checkmark next to “Get image descriptions from Google” if
you have the feature on.
Image descriptions are only available to screen reader users through
spoken feedback or braille, and do not visually appear on the screen.
The image descriptions may not be fully accurate.

On 10/01/2020, Simone Dal Maso <simone.dalmaso@...> wrote:
Robert, what is Chrome OCR?
I don't know this feature.





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nothing is difficult unless you make it appear so.

r. aravind,

Assistant manager
Department of sales
bank of baroda specialised mortgage store, Chennai.
mobile no: +91 9940369593,
email id : aravind_069@..., aravind.andhrabank@....
aravind.rajendran@....


Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Quentin,

 

I use a Canon Flatbed scanner, Canon CanoScan LiDE 120, and the Canon software itself traps the scanned image as Jason describes here. That image file appears to be perfect, according to those who receive it from me as an image .PDF. On those occasions when I need access to the image file myself, I save it and open it with abbyyy Finereader which then converts it to whatever readable format I need.

 

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jason White via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2020 12:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR

 

ABBYY will work with a hardware scanner as well. Alternatively, you could scan the pages to images in a PDF file before running the OCR process. Actually, some scanners generate PDF output directly, saving the file to a USB drive or sending it to you via email. However, so far as I know, none of these devices is likely to be very accessible. In my work environment, they are the modern alternative to photocopiers – someone can just process a series of pages and receive a PDF via email directly from the device.

 

From: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Quentin Christensen <quentin@...>
Reply-To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 at 20:40
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR

 

I was more thinking of OCR to use with a hardware scanner.  Sorry, I didn't expand on that thought originally :)

 

On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 11:25 AM Jason White via Groups.Io <jason=jasonjgw.net@groups.io> wrote:

ABBYY was updated last year. I haven’t yet purchased the upgrade, so can’t comment on the latest version. It handles document formatting well, including headings and footnotes from scanned images of journal articles.

 

From: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of "Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io" <k_gunness=yahoo.ca@groups.io>
Reply-To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 at 18:48
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR

 

i use abby

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 7:19 PM

Subject: [nvda] OCR

 

Good morning,

 

Has anyone compared OCR software lately?   I had someone ask about Omnipage 20.  I know a few people use Abbyy Finereader, but I wasn't sure how they compare or what other options are out there currently.

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 


 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 


 

Well if you have one of those scanners you probably have a stripped down abbyy sprint or omnipage anyway.

In the end I decided to get fine reader 15.

Its extremely accessible, a few buttons and a couple list columns.

My main issues are that combo boxes such as those in options do not read when scroling, and the menus especially the file menu lag quite a load and some items don't read or don't always read though those that do do have shortcut keys.

All dialogs seem to work extremely well and it was worth the upgrade.

Output of the ocr is quite good.

Sadly the ocr editer ariea is not really that accessible but even so its an improvement from v 14 at any rate.

I am also on the offer and marketing list so if there are any promos who knows.

My brother scanner also has paperport which looks to be a full version and may or may not work for me I havn't really tried that though it looks accessible.



On 11/01/2020 1:31 am, Cearbhall O'Meadhra wrote:

Quentin,

 

I use a Canon Flatbed scanner, Canon CanoScan LiDE 120, and the Canon software itself traps the scanned image as Jason describes here. That image file appears to be perfect, according to those who receive it from me as an image .PDF. On those occasions when I need access to the image file myself, I save it and open it with abbyyy Finereader which then converts it to whatever readable format I need.

 

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jason White via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2020 12:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR

 

ABBYY will work with a hardware scanner as well. Alternatively, you could scan the pages to images in a PDF file before running the OCR process. Actually, some scanners generate PDF output directly, saving the file to a USB drive or sending it to you via email. However, so far as I know, none of these devices is likely to be very accessible. In my work environment, they are the modern alternative to photocopiers – someone can just process a series of pages and receive a PDF via email directly from the device.

 

From: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Quentin Christensen <quentin@...>
Reply-To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 at 20:40
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR

 

I was more thinking of OCR to use with a hardware scanner.  Sorry, I didn't expand on that thought originally :)

 

On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 11:25 AM Jason White via Groups.Io <jason=jasonjgw.net@groups.io> wrote:

ABBYY was updated last year. I haven’t yet purchased the upgrade, so can’t comment on the latest version. It handles document formatting well, including headings and footnotes from scanned images of journal articles.

 

From: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of "Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io" <k_gunness=yahoo.ca@groups.io>
Reply-To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 at 18:48
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR

 

i use abby

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 7:19 PM

Subject: [nvda] OCR

 

Good morning,

 

Has anyone compared OCR software lately?   I had someone ask about Omnipage 20.  I know a few people use Abbyy Finereader, but I wasn't sure how they compare or what other options are out there currently.

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 


 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 


hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


The app I use on my windows 10 machine is KNFB reader and is very accessible with nvda. it works with my flat bed scanner/printer and it seems if you have a couple of computers with the same account and a spare scanner it can be installed on the other computer as well.


I think also you can trial it 25 scans with some limitations then it has to be brought. Not sure what price it is now I did not think it was that bad may be 90 dollars kiwi on sale? You would ahve to see how much in your language dollars but only works on windows 10.


Gene nz


On 10/01/2020 8:26 pm, Brian Crabtree wrote:
I don’t have any recent experience of Abbyy, but I set up Omnipage for a friend in 2018 and he finds it works well with his flatbed scanner. 

I set up two simple workflows using Omnipage itself (I can’t write scripts) and he runs them using NVDA, rather than using the buttons on the scanner. 

What follows are my instructions on using the workflows, in case they might help someone to choose between Abby and Omnipage. Here they are:

The workflows allow you to choose either to scan a physical document before doing O C R or to select a document to O C R - for example, a file that was attached to an email, so is already in electronic form but is not yet readable by NVDA.

Each set of instructions to Omnipage is called a workflow - the one you will normally want I have called "Scan to Word”. 

The way to run a scan is to start Omnipage from the TaskBar, using Windows key plus T for Tango, then arrowing to Omnipage and pressing Enter to start it.

It seems that Omnipage does not remember which workflow you were using last, so you need to change the workflow each time, as follows:
  • Load Omnipage.
  • Remove the document it has saved from the previous run, if any, by pressing alt plus f then n.
  • Press No when asked to save it.
  • Select the correct workflow using alt plus p then w to open the workflows list.
  • Arrow down to the one for “Scan to Word” and press Enter to select it.
  • Start the selected workflow using alt plus p then w then s - if you are scanning, the scan will start.
  • N B  if you choose the workflow to O C R a file that you have saved earlier (e.g. one which was attached to an email) you will be taken to a File Explorer window, to choose it, with the current directory set to Downloads, so it’s easiest if you save attachments in the Downloads folder.
  • Wait for the workflow to complete - for the scan workflow, click the "stop loading pages" button.
  • NVDA seems not to speak, so alt plus tab out & back to start speech and you should hear it speak the wording that has been recognised.
If NVDA refuses to speak, you can get Omnipage to voice the result. After pressing caps lock plus S (twice) to turn NVDA speech off:
  • turn on Omnipage's speech mode by pressing F5 or alt plus t then s.
  • press ctrl plus end to hear the result spoken.
  • you can interrupt or stop Omnipage speech by pressing F.
  • after it finishes, turn NVDA speech back on with caps lock plus S.



 

I have both abbyy and knfb I got knfb on convention week last year or was it the year before when it was only 20 us it is a good program but had no idea it works with a scanner.



On 11/01/2020 10:08 am, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

Hi


The app I use on my windows 10 machine is KNFB reader and is very accessible with nvda. it works with my flat bed scanner/printer and it seems if you have a couple of computers with the same account and a spare scanner it can be installed on the other computer as well.


I think also you can trial it 25 scans with some limitations then it has to be brought. Not sure what price it is now I did not think it was that bad may be 90 dollars kiwi on sale? You would ahve to see how much in your language dollars but only works on windows 10.


Gene nz


On 10/01/2020 8:26 pm, Brian Crabtree wrote:
I don’t have any recent experience of Abbyy, but I set up Omnipage for a friend in 2018 and he finds it works well with his flatbed scanner. 

I set up two simple workflows using Omnipage itself (I can’t write scripts) and he runs them using NVDA, rather than using the buttons on the scanner. 

What follows are my instructions on using the workflows, in case they might help someone to choose between Abby and Omnipage. Here they are:

The workflows allow you to choose either to scan a physical document before doing O C R or to select a document to O C R - for example, a file that was attached to an email, so is already in electronic form but is not yet readable by NVDA.

Each set of instructions to Omnipage is called a workflow - the one you will normally want I have called "Scan to Word”. 

The way to run a scan is to start Omnipage from the TaskBar, using Windows key plus T for Tango, then arrowing to Omnipage and pressing Enter to start it.

It seems that Omnipage does not remember which workflow you were using last, so you need to change the workflow each time, as follows:
  • Load Omnipage.
  • Remove the document it has saved from the previous run, if any, by pressing alt plus f then n.
  • Press No when asked to save it.
  • Select the correct workflow using alt plus p then w to open the workflows list.
  • Arrow down to the one for “Scan to Word” and press Enter to select it.
  • Start the selected workflow using alt plus p then w then s - if you are scanning, the scan will start.
  • N B  if you choose the workflow to O C R a file that you have saved earlier (e.g. one which was attached to an email) you will be taken to a File Explorer window, to choose it, with the current directory set to Downloads, so it’s easiest if you save attachments in the Downloads folder.
  • Wait for the workflow to complete - for the scan workflow, click the "stop loading pages" button.
  • NVDA seems not to speak, so alt plus tab out & back to start speech and you should hear it speak the wording that has been recognised.
If NVDA refuses to speak, you can get Omnipage to voice the result. After pressing caps lock plus S (twice) to turn NVDA speech off:
  • turn on Omnipage's speech mode by pressing F5 or alt plus t then s.
  • press ctrl plus end to hear the result spoken.
  • you can interrupt or stop Omnipage speech by pressing F.
  • after it finishes, turn NVDA speech back on with caps lock plus S.



Monte Single
 

Hi Shaun,

 

The k in knfb  comes from Kurzweil.

The earliest versions of Kurzweil scanning software go back to the seventies.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: January-10-20 4:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR

 

I have both abbyy and knfb I got knfb on convention week last year or was it the year before when it was only 20 us it is a good program but had no idea it works with a scanner.

 

 

On 11/01/2020 10:08 am, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

Hi

 

The app I use on my windows 10 machine is KNFB reader and is very accessible with nvda. it works with my flat bed scanner/printer and it seems if you have a couple of computers with the same account and a spare scanner it can be installed on the other computer as well.

 

I think also you can trial it 25 scans with some limitations then it has to be brought. Not sure what price it is now I did not think it was that bad may be 90 dollars kiwi on sale? You would ahve to see how much in your language dollars but only works on windows 10.

 

Gene nz

 

On 10/01/2020 8:26 pm, Brian Crabtree wrote:

I don’t have any recent experience of Abbyy, but I set up Omnipage for a friend in 2018 and he finds it works well with his flatbed scanner. 

 

I set up two simple workflows using Omnipage itself (I can’t write scripts) and he runs them using NVDA, rather than using the buttons on the scanner. 

 

What follows are my instructions on using the workflows, in case they might help someone to choose between Abby and Omnipage. Here they are:

 

The workflows allow you to choose either to scan a physical document before doing O C R or to select a document to O C R - for example, a file that was attached to an email, so is already in electronic form but is not yet readable by NVDA.

 

Each set of instructions to Omnipage is called a workflow - the one you will normally want I have called "Scan to Word”. 

 

The way to run a scan is to start Omnipage from the TaskBar, using Windows key plus T for Tango, then arrowing to Omnipage and pressing Enter to start it.

 

It seems that Omnipage does not remember which workflow you were using last, so you need to change the workflow each time, as follows:

  • Load Omnipage.
  • Remove the document it has saved from the previous run, if any, by pressing alt plus f then n.
  • Press No when asked to save it.
  • Select the correct workflow using alt plus p then w to open the workflows list.
  • Arrow down to the one for “Scan to Word” and press Enter to select it.
  • Start the selected workflow using alt plus p then w then s - if you are scanning, the scan will start.
  • N B  if you choose the workflow to O C R a file that you have saved earlier (e.g. one which was attached to an email) you will be taken to a File Explorer window, to choose it, with the current directory set to Downloads, so it’s easiest if you save attachments in the Downloads folder.
  • Wait for the workflow to complete - for the scan workflow, click the "stop loading pages" button.
  • NVDA seems not to speak, so alt plus tab out & back to start speech and you should hear it speak the wording that has been recognised.

If NVDA refuses to speak, you can get Omnipage to voice the result. After pressing caps lock plus S (twice) to turn NVDA speech off:

  • turn on Omnipage's speech mode by pressing F5 or alt plus t then s.
  • press ctrl plus end to hear the result spoken.
  • you can interrupt or stop Omnipage speech by pressing F.
  • after it finishes, turn NVDA speech back on with caps lock plus S.

 

 


 

Hmph.
I did not know that.
So I guess we can view the knfb reader is the kurzweil home version
with just basic scanning and ocr without the other stuff.
Now eventually I plan to get the regular k1000 as I used it at
university for various things, including braille conversion, and its a
really good program.

On 11/01/2020, Monte Single <mrsingle@...> wrote:
Hi Shaun,



The k in knfb comes from Kurzweil.

The earliest versions of Kurzweil scanning software go back to the
seventies.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun
Everiss
Sent: January-10-20 4:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR



I have both abbyy and knfb I got knfb on convention week last year or was it
the year before when it was only 20 us it is a good program but had no idea
it works with a scanner.





On 11/01/2020 10:08 am, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

Hi



The app I use on my windows 10 machine is KNFB reader and is very accessible
with nvda. it works with my flat bed scanner/printer and it seems if you
have a couple of computers with the same account and a spare scanner it can
be installed on the other computer as well.



I think also you can trial it 25 scans with some limitations then it has to
be brought. Not sure what price it is now I did not think it was that bad
may be 90 dollars kiwi on sale? You would ahve to see how much in your
language dollars but only works on windows 10.



Gene nz



On 10/01/2020 8:26 pm, Brian Crabtree wrote:

I don’t have any recent experience of Abbyy, but I set up Omnipage for a
friend in 2018 and he finds it works well with his flatbed scanner.



I set up two simple workflows using Omnipage itself (I can’t write scripts)
and he runs them using NVDA, rather than using the buttons on the scanner.



What follows are my instructions on using the workflows, in case they might
help someone to choose between Abby and Omnipage. Here they are:



The workflows allow you to choose either to scan a physical document before
doing O C R or to select a document to O C R - for example, a file that was
attached to an email, so is already in electronic form but is not yet
readable by NVDA.



Each set of instructions to Omnipage is called a workflow - the one you will
normally want I have called "Scan to Word”.



The way to run a scan is to start Omnipage from the TaskBar, using Windows
key plus T for Tango, then arrowing to Omnipage and pressing Enter to start
it.



It seems that Omnipage does not remember which workflow you were using last,
so you need to change the workflow each time, as follows:

* Load Omnipage.
* Remove the document it has saved from the previous run, if any, by
pressing alt plus f then n.
* Press No when asked to save it.
* Select the correct workflow using alt plus p then w to open the workflows
list.
* Arrow down to the one for “Scan to Word” and press Enter to select it.
* Start the selected workflow using alt plus p then w then s - if you are
scanning, the scan will start.
* N B if you choose the workflow to O C R a file that you have saved
earlier (e.g. one which was attached to an email) you will be taken to a
File Explorer window, to choose it, with the current directory set to
Downloads, so it’s easiest if you save attachments in the Downloads folder.
* Wait for the workflow to complete - for the scan workflow, click the "stop
loading pages" button.
* NVDA seems not to speak, so alt plus tab out & back to start speech and
you should hear it speak the wording that has been recognised.

If NVDA refuses to speak, you can get Omnipage to voice the result. After
pressing caps lock plus S (twice) to turn NVDA speech off:

* turn on Omnipage's speech mode by pressing F5 or alt plus t then s.
* press ctrl plus end to hear the result spoken.
* you can interrupt or stop Omnipage speech by pressing F.
* after it finishes, turn NVDA speech back on with caps lock plus S.











hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


If you have a 8mp camera recommended like in a web cam I can take a picture of the document and have it read out. It also if holding or off a clip will tell you if all 4 corners are showing then you take the picture and have it read out. You can also customize it as in voices etc.


At present the knfb reader for windows 10 works with my old scanner nicely and will also on my new one. I will just need to download the knfb reader for that pc in my account.



Gene nz


On 11/01/2020 11:40 am, Shaun Everiss wrote:

I have both abbyy and knfb I got knfb on convention week last year or was it the year before when it was only 20 us it is a good program but had no idea it works with a scanner.



On 11/01/2020 10:08 am, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

Hi


The app I use on my windows 10 machine is KNFB reader and is very accessible with nvda. it works with my flat bed scanner/printer and it seems if you have a couple of computers with the same account and a spare scanner it can be installed on the other computer as well.


I think also you can trial it 25 scans with some limitations then it has to be brought. Not sure what price it is now I did not think it was that bad may be 90 dollars kiwi on sale? You would ahve to see how much in your language dollars but only works on windows 10.


Gene nz


On 10/01/2020 8:26 pm, Brian Crabtree wrote:
I don’t have any recent experience of Abbyy, but I set up Omnipage for a friend in 2018 and he finds it works well with his flatbed scanner. 

I set up two simple workflows using Omnipage itself (I can’t write scripts) and he runs them using NVDA, rather than using the buttons on the scanner. 

What follows are my instructions on using the workflows, in case they might help someone to choose between Abby and Omnipage. Here they are:

The workflows allow you to choose either to scan a physical document before doing O C R or to select a document to O C R - for example, a file that was attached to an email, so is already in electronic form but is not yet readable by NVDA.

Each set of instructions to Omnipage is called a workflow - the one you will normally want I have called "Scan to Word”. 

The way to run a scan is to start Omnipage from the TaskBar, using Windows key plus T for Tango, then arrowing to Omnipage and pressing Enter to start it.

It seems that Omnipage does not remember which workflow you were using last, so you need to change the workflow each time, as follows:
  • Load Omnipage.
  • Remove the document it has saved from the previous run, if any, by pressing alt plus f then n.
  • Press No when asked to save it.
  • Select the correct workflow using alt plus p then w to open the workflows list.
  • Arrow down to the one for “Scan to Word” and press Enter to select it.
  • Start the selected workflow using alt plus p then w then s - if you are scanning, the scan will start.
  • N B  if you choose the workflow to O C R a file that you have saved earlier (e.g. one which was attached to an email) you will be taken to a File Explorer window, to choose it, with the current directory set to Downloads, so it’s easiest if you save attachments in the Downloads folder.
  • Wait for the workflow to complete - for the scan workflow, click the "stop loading pages" button.
  • NVDA seems not to speak, so alt plus tab out & back to start speech and you should hear it speak the wording that has been recognised.
If NVDA refuses to speak, you can get Omnipage to voice the result. After pressing caps lock plus S (twice) to turn NVDA speech off:
  • turn on Omnipage's speech mode by pressing F5 or alt plus t then s.
  • press ctrl plus end to hear the result spoken.
  • you can interrupt or stop Omnipage speech by pressing F.
  • after it finishes, turn NVDA speech back on with caps lock plus S.



Monte Single
 

Yes,

It is a great program; toobad the k 1000 costs a thousand dollars, but loaded with bells and whistles.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: January-10-20 7:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR

Hmph.
I did not know that.
So I guess we can view the knfb reader is the kurzweil home version with just basic scanning and ocr without the other stuff.
Now eventually I plan to get the regular k1000 as I used it at university for various things, including braille conversion, and its a really good program.

On 11/01/2020, Monte Single <mrsingle@...> wrote:
Hi Shaun,



The k in knfb comes from Kurzweil.

The earliest versions of Kurzweil scanning software go back to the
seventies.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Shaun Everiss
Sent: January-10-20 4:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR



I have both abbyy and knfb I got knfb on convention week last year or
was it the year before when it was only 20 us it is a good program but
had no idea it works with a scanner.





On 11/01/2020 10:08 am, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

Hi



The app I use on my windows 10 machine is KNFB reader and is very
accessible with nvda. it works with my flat bed scanner/printer and it
seems if you have a couple of computers with the same account and a
spare scanner it can be installed on the other computer as well.



I think also you can trial it 25 scans with some limitations then it
has to be brought. Not sure what price it is now I did not think it
was that bad may be 90 dollars kiwi on sale? You would ahve to see how
much in your language dollars but only works on windows 10.



Gene nz



On 10/01/2020 8:26 pm, Brian Crabtree wrote:

I don’t have any recent experience of Abbyy, but I set up Omnipage for
a friend in 2018 and he finds it works well with his flatbed scanner.



I set up two simple workflows using Omnipage itself (I can’t write
scripts) and he runs them using NVDA, rather than using the buttons on the scanner.



What follows are my instructions on using the workflows, in case they
might help someone to choose between Abby and Omnipage. Here they are:



The workflows allow you to choose either to scan a physical document
before doing O C R or to select a document to O C R - for example, a
file that was attached to an email, so is already in electronic form
but is not yet readable by NVDA.



Each set of instructions to Omnipage is called a workflow - the one
you will normally want I have called "Scan to Word”.



The way to run a scan is to start Omnipage from the TaskBar, using
Windows key plus T for Tango, then arrowing to Omnipage and pressing
Enter to start it.



It seems that Omnipage does not remember which workflow you were using
last, so you need to change the workflow each time, as follows:

* Load Omnipage.
* Remove the document it has saved from the previous run, if any, by
pressing alt plus f then n.
* Press No when asked to save it.
* Select the correct workflow using alt plus p then w to open the workflows
list.
* Arrow down to the one for “Scan to Word” and press Enter to select it.
* Start the selected workflow using alt plus p then w then s - if you are
scanning, the scan will start.
* N B if you choose the workflow to O C R a file that you have saved
earlier (e.g. one which was attached to an email) you will be taken to
a File Explorer window, to choose it, with the current directory set
to Downloads, so it’s easiest if you save attachments in the Downloads folder.
* Wait for the workflow to complete - for the scan workflow, click the "stop
loading pages" button.
* NVDA seems not to speak, so alt plus tab out & back to start speech and
you should hear it speak the wording that has been recognised.

If NVDA refuses to speak, you can get Omnipage to voice the result.
After pressing caps lock plus S (twice) to turn NVDA speech off:

* turn on Omnipage's speech mode by pressing F5 or alt plus t then s.
* press ctrl plus end to hear the result spoken.
* you can interrupt or stop Omnipage speech by pressing F.
* after it finishes, turn NVDA speech back on with caps lock plus S.