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Pauses in MS-Word
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Ralph Boersema
Dear Friends,
I do not usually keep up with this list, so please forgive me if this matter has been dealt with recently. When I work with Word documents NVDA frequently pauses before reading something to me. The pause frequency and the length of the pauses increase as the documents get longer. I have had this problem for years and with different versions of Word and of NVDA. Currently I am using Microsoft 365 and my NVDA is up to date. Is there some configuration I need to change, either in Word or in NVDA?
Warmly, Ralph
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I've seen this sort of thing as well, and its nothing apparently to do with the version of word. Its as if there is a spike in resource grabbing somewhere every so often then it returns to normal again. I always put this down to something else other than nvda, as it also seems to upset the typing according to sighted people where you can go on typing then all the missing ones arrive on screen at once. Is this what the other person gets?
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From: "Ralph Boersema" <ralph@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2022 5:27 PM Subject: [nvda] Pauses in MSWord Dear Friends, I do not usually keep up with this list, so please forgive me if this matter has been dealt with recently. When I work with Word documents NVDA frequently pauses before reading something to me. The pause frequency and the length of the pauses increase as the documents get longer. I have had this problem for years and with different versions of Word and of NVDA. Currently I am using Microsoft 365 and my NVDA is up to date. Is there some configuration I need to change, either in Word or in NVDA? Warmly, Ralph
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Ralph Boersema
Yes, it seems to have nothing to do with NVDA. The web tells me a number of things to do that I can't understand. I'll have to get a sighted tech to help me out on this.
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Ralph
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via groups.io Sent: Friday, June 24, 2022 3:47 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Pauses in MSWord I've seen this sort of thing as well, and its nothing apparently to do with the version of word. Its as if there is a spike in resource grabbing somewhere every so often then it returns to normal again. I always put this down to something else other than nvda, as it also seems to upset the typing according to sighted people where you can go on typing then all the missing ones arrive on screen at once. Is this what the other person gets? Brian -- bglists@... Sent via blueyonder.(Virgin media) Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ralph Boersema" <ralph@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2022 5:27 PM Subject: [nvda] Pauses in MSWord Dear Friends, I do not usually keep up with this list, so please forgive me if this matter has been dealt with recently. When I work with Word documents NVDA frequently pauses before reading something to me. The pause frequency and the length of the pauses increase as the documents get longer. I have had this problem for years and with different versions of Word and of NVDA. Currently I am using Microsoft 365 and my NVDA is up to date. Is there some configuration I need to change, either in Word or in NVDA? Warmly, Ralph
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Gene
There used to be a problem of responsiveness in Word when using
NVDA, by that I mean NVDA responsiveness. I haven't seen it
discussed for awhile and I almost never use Word, but I'd like to
see more discussion about this by developers. I'd also like to see
more discussion from those who test with other screen-readers such
as JAWS, it could be a demo or a full installation, it doesn't
matter, or perhaps Narrator, if Narrator supports Word enough to
test with.
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My recollection is that the way the problem used to be, the larger the document, and perhaps the farther in you are in the document, the slower the responsiveness is. I'm not saying either side, that it is or isn't an NVDA problem, is correct, I'm saying that I don't think we have heard nearly enough to form any conclusion. The response of the original questioner is that he sees many possible solutions suggested. I think that before significant time and effort is spent looking for and trying such solutions, more discussion is needed. And how large are the documents where such problems occur? It may be that beyond a certain size, any word processor or text editor will slow down. I've opened enormous documents in Notepad and had responsiveness problems, but that is when opening documents that are enormous, perha;ps the size of two or three novels or more. I think we need more definition of what we are talking about, more testing and discussion. Gene
On 6/24/2022 5:50 AM, Ralph Boersema
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Yes, it seems to have nothing to do with NVDA. The web tells me a number of things to do that I can't understand. I'll have to get a sighted tech to help me out on this. Ralph -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via groups.io Sent: Friday, June 24, 2022 3:47 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Pauses in MSWord I've seen this sort of thing as well, and its nothing apparently to do with the version of word. Its as if there is a spike in resource grabbing somewhere every so often then it returns to normal again. I always put this down to something else other than nvda, as it also seems to upset the typing according to sighted people where you can go on typing then all the missing ones arrive on screen at once. Is this what the other person gets? Brian -- bglists@... Sent via blueyonder.(Virgin media) Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ralph Boersema" <ralph@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2022 5:27 PM Subject: [nvda] Pauses in MSWord Dear Friends, I do not usually keep up with this list, so please forgive me if this matter has been dealt with recently. When I work with Word documents NVDA frequently pauses before reading something to me. The pause frequency and the length of the pauses increase as the documents get longer. I have had this problem for years and with different versions of Word and of NVDA. Currently I am using Microsoft 365 and my NVDA is up to date. Is there some configuration I need to change, either in Word or in NVDA? Warmly, Ralph
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Gene
Also, the original message specifies very specific problems. It
says in part, "... When I work with Word documents NVDA frequently
pauses before reading something to me. The pause frequency and the
length of the pauses increase as the documents get longer..."
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It isn't at all clear, at least to me, that problems others have discussed are the same in origin or relevant to the very specific ones discussed in the original message. The original message is quoted at the bottom of the quoted messages in this message. Gene
On 6/24/2022 6:01 AM, Gene wrote:
There used to be a problem of responsiveness in Word when using NVDA, by that I mean NVDA responsiveness. I haven't seen it discussed for awhile and I almost never use Word, but I'd like to see more discussion about this by developers. I'd also like to see more discussion from those who test with other screen-readers such as JAWS, it could be a demo or a full installation, it doesn't matter, or perhaps Narrator, if Narrator supports Word enough to test with.
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What are those things the web is "telling you to do"?
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Perhaps we can help you do them without having to enlist a light-slave.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralph Boersema Sent: June 24, 2022 6:51 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Pauses in MSWord Yes, it seems to have nothing to do with NVDA. The web tells me a number of things to do that I can't understand. I'll have to get a sighted tech to help me out on this. Ralph -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via groups.io Sent: Friday, June 24, 2022 3:47 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Pauses in MSWord I've seen this sort of thing as well, and its nothing apparently to do with the version of word. Its as if there is a spike in resource grabbing somewhere every so often then it returns to normal again. I always put this down to something else other than nvda, as it also seems to upset the typing according to sighted people where you can go on typing then all the missing ones arrive on screen at once. Is this what the other person gets? Brian -- bglists@... Sent via blueyonder.(Virgin media) Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ralph Boersema" <ralph@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2022 5:27 PM Subject: [nvda] Pauses in MSWord Dear Friends, I do not usually keep up with this list, so please forgive me if this matter has been dealt with recently. When I work with Word documents NVDA frequently pauses before reading something to me. The pause frequency and the length of the pauses increase as the documents get longer. I have had this problem for years and with different versions of Word and of NVDA. Currently I am using Microsoft 365 and my NVDA is up to date. Is there some configuration I need to change, either in Word or in NVDA? Warmly, Ralph
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Ralph Boersema
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Smart Sent: Friday, June 24, 2022 9:24 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Pauses in MSWord What are those things the web is "telling you to do"? Perhaps we can help you do them without having to enlist a light-slave. -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralph Boersema Sent: June 24, 2022 6:51 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Pauses in MSWord Yes, it seems to have nothing to do with NVDA. The web tells me a number of things to do that I can't understand. I'll have to get a sighted tech to help me out on this. Ralph -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via groups.io Sent: Friday, June 24, 2022 3:47 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Pauses in MSWord I've seen this sort of thing as well, and its nothing apparently to do with the version of word. Its as if there is a spike in resource grabbing somewhere every so often then it returns to normal again. I always put this down to something else other than nvda, as it also seems to upset the typing according to sighted people where you can go on typing then all the missing ones arrive on screen at once. Is this what the other person gets? Brian -- bglists@... Sent via blueyonder.(Virgin media) Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ralph Boersema" <ralph@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2022 5:27 PM Subject: [nvda] Pauses in MSWord Dear Friends, I do not usually keep up with this list, so please forgive me if this matter has been dealt with recently. When I work with Word documents NVDA frequently pauses before reading something to me. The pause frequency and the length of the pauses increase as the documents get longer. I have had this problem for years and with different versions of Word and of NVDA. Currently I am using Microsoft 365 and my NVDA is up to date. Is there some configuration I need to change, either in Word or in NVDA? Warmly, Ralph
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I don't see anything in that article that isn't accessible to us.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralph Boersema Sent: June 24, 2022 10:43 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Pauses in MSWord https://expediencesoftware.com/what-is-causing-microsoft-word-to-slow-down/ Ralph -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Smart Sent: Friday, June 24, 2022 9:24 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Pauses in MSWord What are those things the web is "telling you to do"? Perhaps we can help you do them without having to enlist a light-slave. -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralph Boersema Sent: June 24, 2022 6:51 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Pauses in MSWord Yes, it seems to have nothing to do with NVDA. The web tells me a number of things to do that I can't understand. I'll have to get a sighted tech to help me out on this. Ralph -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via groups.io Sent: Friday, June 24, 2022 3:47 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Pauses in MSWord I've seen this sort of thing as well, and its nothing apparently to do with the version of word. Its as if there is a spike in resource grabbing somewhere every so often then it returns to normal again. I always put this down to something else other than nvda, as it also seems to upset the typing according to sighted people where you can go on typing then all the missing ones arrive on screen at once. Is this what the other person gets? Brian -- bglists@... Sent via blueyonder.(Virgin media) Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ralph Boersema" <ralph@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2022 5:27 PM Subject: [nvda] Pauses in MSWord Dear Friends, I do not usually keep up with this list, so please forgive me if this matter has been dealt with recently. When I work with Word documents NVDA frequently pauses before reading something to me. The pause frequency and the length of the pauses increase as the documents get longer. I have had this problem for years and with different versions of Word and of NVDA. Currently I am using Microsoft 365 and my NVDA is up to date. Is there some configuration I need to change, either in Word or in NVDA? Warmly, Ralph
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Ralph Boersema
My problem is that I am not that computer literate. I can call on a son-in-law.
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As I progressed on proofreading my 22 page file, I have come to think that there could be an NVDA problem, after all. This is because pauses became failures to read at all. There were times when it was silent for paragraph reading, word reading, sentence reading and even letter reading. I could only get it to read again by selecting words. Ralph
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Smart Sent: Friday, June 24, 2022 10:51 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Pauses in MSWord I don't see anything in that article that isn't accessible to us. -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralph Boersema Sent: June 24, 2022 10:43 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Pauses in MSWord https://expediencesoftware.com/what-is-causing-microsoft-word-to-slow-down/ Ralph -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Smart Sent: Friday, June 24, 2022 9:24 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Pauses in MSWord What are those things the web is "telling you to do"? Perhaps we can help you do them without having to enlist a light-slave. -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralph Boersema Sent: June 24, 2022 6:51 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Pauses in MSWord Yes, it seems to have nothing to do with NVDA. The web tells me a number of things to do that I can't understand. I'll have to get a sighted tech to help me out on this. Ralph -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via groups.io Sent: Friday, June 24, 2022 3:47 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Pauses in MSWord I've seen this sort of thing as well, and its nothing apparently to do with the version of word. Its as if there is a spike in resource grabbing somewhere every so often then it returns to normal again. I always put this down to something else other than nvda, as it also seems to upset the typing according to sighted people where you can go on typing then all the missing ones arrive on screen at once. Is this what the other person gets? Brian -- bglists@... Sent via blueyonder.(Virgin media) Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ralph Boersema" <ralph@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2022 5:27 PM Subject: [nvda] Pauses in MSWord Dear Friends, I do not usually keep up with this list, so please forgive me if this matter has been dealt with recently. When I work with Word documents NVDA frequently pauses before reading something to me. The pause frequency and the length of the pauses increase as the documents get longer. I have had this problem for years and with different versions of Word and of NVDA. Currently I am using Microsoft 365 and my NVDA is up to date. Is there some configuration I need to change, either in Word or in NVDA? Warmly, Ralph
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Gene
the article makes suggestions but doesn't explain how to do the
various things suggested. This has nothing to do with accessibility
but rather of knowledge of how to do what is suggested. So, blind
or sighted, these things are probably all accessible, they all sound
accessible to me.
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We'll see if people explain how to do these things but before doing them, and we don't know if they will help or not, try seeing if this is an NVDA problem. Are you using Windows 10? If so, it is easy to see how responsive Word is using Narrator. Unload NVDA. Run Narrator with the command control Windows key enter. That is, hold both control and the Windows key and Press enter. When you want to unload Narrator, use the same command. Narrator uses the same read to end commands as NVDA, at least in the desktop keyboard settings, which are those it uses by default. I don't know what commands it uses in the laptop keyboard settings. It also uses caps lock as a Narrator key, or insert, probably either insert. If you are using NVDA key down arrow for read to end, try the same in Narrator. Movement commands should be the same, such as read by paragraph, down and up arrow to move by line, etc. The read current line command is NVDA key numpad 8, that is, hold the NVDA key and press NVD 8 while doing so. If you get sluggishness moving through documents with Narrator, then the problem is either not an NVDA problem or it is not all an NVDA problem. Before doing various tasks such As are discussed in the article, it should be determined if this is an NVDA problem or not to the extent testing can determine that. Also, what do you use Word to do? Another way around the problem, which hasn't been discussed at all, is to use another program to work with the documents you are working with. But we need to know what you do with the documents. Are you using Word features where you need word or are you just going through documents and manually changing or revising the document? Gene
On 6/24/2022 9:42 AM, Ralph Boersema
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https://expediencesoftware.com/what-is-causing-microsoft-word-to-slow-down/ Ralph -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Smart Sent: Friday, June 24, 2022 9:24 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Pauses in MSWord What are those things the web is "telling you to do"? Perhaps we can help you do them without having to enlist a light-slave. -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralph Boersema Sent: June 24, 2022 6:51 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Pauses in MSWord Yes, it seems to have nothing to do with NVDA. The web tells me a number of things to do that I can't understand. I'll have to get a sighted tech to help me out on this. Ralph -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via groups.io Sent: Friday, June 24, 2022 3:47 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Pauses in MSWord I've seen this sort of thing as well, and its nothing apparently to do with the version of word. Its as if there is a spike in resource grabbing somewhere every so often then it returns to normal again. I always put this down to something else other than nvda, as it also seems to upset the typing according to sighted people where you can go on typing then all the missing ones arrive on screen at once. Is this what the other person gets? Brian -- bglists@... Sent via blueyonder.(Virgin media) Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ralph Boersema" <ralph@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2022 5:27 PM Subject: [nvda] Pauses in MSWord Dear Friends, I do not usually keep up with this list, so please forgive me if this matter has been dealt with recently. When I work with Word documents NVDA frequently pauses before reading something to me. The pause frequency and the length of the pauses increase as the documents get longer. I have had this problem for years and with different versions of Word and of NVDA. Currently I am using Microsoft 365 and my NVDA is up to date. Is there some configuration I need to change, either in Word or in NVDA? Warmly, Ralph .
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Ralph Boersema
Dear Gene,
I tried using Narrator and there were no pauses. Then I tried NVDA again and there were also no more significant pauses—only a bit when I selected many of the document formatting options. I tried over some time to reproduce the delays I had struggled with before, but without success. Is it possible that Narrator reset something in the Word document or in Windows 10? Warmly, Ralph .
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2022 12:32 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Pauses in MSWord
the article makes suggestions but doesn't explain how to do the various things suggested. This has nothing to do with accessibility but rather of knowledge of how to do what is suggested. So, blind or sighted, these things are probably all accessible, they all sound accessible to me. On 6/24/2022 9:42 AM, Ralph Boersema wrote:
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Gene
No, but perhaps this is an instance of a problem being solved by
closing and opening the screen-reader again or by rebooting. Was
that the first time you closed and ran the screen-reader since the
problem began?
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At times, shutting down and running a screen-reader solves problems and sometimes problems that you wouldn't expect to have anything to do with the screen-reader. At times, if I can't copy or paste, closing and running the screen-reader solves the problem. Then there is rebooting, which also solves many odd [problems. Gene
On 6/25/2022 3:16 PM, Ralph Boersema
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