problems wiht the nvda eloquence and sapi eloquence add on/apps


Sarah k Alawami
 

Hello. I’m trying the eloquence add on and have also tried the sapi add on. I find that:

 

  1. The rate boost is gone.
  2. The inflection slider is missing
  3. The volume of the voice is way too low even at 100 percent.

I guess I’m too used to the IBM tts voice I’ve been using now since about 2017. I’m also used to the old eloquence from about 2003. Lol. Is there any way to get these sliders back with nvda? –

 


Gene
 

I don’t see anything related to inflection in the SAPI program.  However, if you open the settings for Eloquence, not in NVDA, but in the program, you can tab around and see check boxes for volume and a few other settings.  You can check the checkboxs for the item you want and you can then tab to a field where you change the setting.  The check boxes say something like voice force change. 
 
But based  on your description, I wonder if there is a problem with how the SAPI 5 program is running on your machine.  When I tried the demo, there was inflection similar to that of JAWS.  The volume, as I recall, was fine.  I don’t recall if there was a volume setting in NVDA itself when using the program. 
 
If I understand what you are reporting, you hear no inflection.  this is definitely not expected behavior.  I’ve tried the SAPI program on more than one computer and had inflection similar to JAWS.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2021 9:40 AM
Subject: [nvda] problems wiht the nvda eloquence and sapi eloquence add on/apps
 

Hello. I’m trying the eloquence add on and have also tried the sapi add on. I find that:

 

  1. The rate boost is gone.
  2. The inflection slider is missing
  3. The volume of the voice is way too low even at 100 percent.

I guess I’m too used to the IBM tts voice I’ve been using now since about 2017. I’m also used to the old eloquence from about 2003. Lol. Is there any way to get these sliders back with nvda? –

 


 

I agree with Gene that "something is off here" and that something is not likely to be NVDA itself (though it can't be ruled out entirely).

When anomalies like this occur it can't hurt to try:
1. Using SFC (System File Checker) and DISM (Deployment Imaging Servicing and Management) to Repair Windows 8 & 10
and, if the above doesn't work, followed by:
2. Doing a Windows 10 Repair Install or Feature Update Using the Windows 10 ISO file

Also uninstalling the offending software before doing either of the above and reinstalling it to see if that fixes anything is worth trying.

The behaviors described are anomalies.  They're not characteristic of normal and correct operation.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Mohamed
 

Hi, the rate boost and inflection settings were never implemented in Code Factory's Eloquence products.

On 7/15/2021 10:40 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Hello. I’m trying the eloquence add on and have also tried the sapi add on. I find that:

 

  1. The rate boost is gone.
  2. The inflection slider is missing
  3. The volume of the voice is way too low even at 100 percent.

I guess I’m too used to the IBM tts voice I’ve been using now since about 2017. I’m also used to the old eloquence from about 2003. Lol. Is there any way to get these sliders back with nvda? –

 


Sarah k Alawami
 

No, the inflectioni was a lot more in jaws way back in about 2000 to 2003. And the volume is way too low even with nvda cranked at 100 percent in volume control and in nvda itwwself. I'm now trying the add on and the result is the same, the volume is way way way too low for my liking. I need that thign blasting into my ears.

On 15 Jul 2021, at 7:52, Gene wrote:

I don’t see anything related to inflection in the SAPI program.  However, if you open the settings for Eloquence, not in NVDA, but in the program, you can tab around and see check boxes for volume and a few other settings.  You can check the checkboxs for the item you want and you can then tab to a field where you change the setting.  The check boxes say something like voice force change. 
 
But based  on your description, I wonder if there is a problem with how the SAPI 5 program is running on your machine.  When I tried the demo, there was inflection similar to that of JAWS.  The volume, as I recall, was fine.  I don’t recall if there was a volume setting in NVDA itself when using the program. 
 
If I understand what you are reporting, you hear no inflection.  this is definitely not expected behavior.  I’ve tried the SAPI program on more than one computer and had inflection similar to JAWS.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2021 9:40 AM
Subject: [nvda] problems wiht the nvda eloquence and sapi eloquence add on/apps
 

Hello. I’m trying the eloquence add on and have also tried the sapi add on. I find that:

 

  1. The rate boost is gone.
  2. The inflection slider is missing
  3. The volume of the voice is way too low even at 100 percent.

I guess I’m too used to the IBM tts voice I’ve been using now since about 2017. I’m also used to the old eloquence from about 2003. Lol. Is there any way to get these sliders back with nvda? –

 


Sarah k Alawami
 

Actually all comes out fine, and even on my older systems eloquence was still way way way too low for my ears. You won't hear it if I record it as my VAC makes things the right volume, loud. My hardware sound card makes all but eloquence loud. Espeak is louder than eloquence to my ear.

On 15 Jul 2021, at 8:04, Brian Vogel wrote:

I agree with Gene that "something is off here" and that something is not likely to be NVDA itself (though it can't be ruled out entirely).

When anomalies like this occur it can't hurt to try:
1. Using SFC (System File Checker) and DISM (Deployment Imaging Servicing and Management) to Repair Windows 8 & 10
and, if the above doesn't work, followed by:
2. Doing a Windows 10 Repair Install or Feature Update Using the Windows 10 ISO file

Also uninstalling the offending software before doing either of the above and reinstalling it to see if that fixes anything is worth trying.

The behaviors described are anomalies.  They're not characteristic of normal and correct operation.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Chris Smart
 

At what point do you investigate hearing aids?


I have powered speakers on my computer or can plug in headphones, and either of those can get very very loud if need be.


On 2021-07-15 12:01 p.m., Sarah k Alawami wrote:

No, the inflectioni was a lot more in jaws way back in about 2000 to 2003. And the volume is way too low even with nvda cranked at 100 percent in volume control and in nvda itwwself. I'm now trying the add on and the result is the same, the volume is way way way too low for my liking. I need that thign blasting into my ears.

On 15 Jul 2021, at 7:52, Gene wrote:

I don’t see anything related to inflection in the SAPI program.  However, if you open the settings for Eloquence, not in NVDA, but in the program, you can tab around and see check boxes for volume and a few other settings.  You can check the checkboxs for the item you want and you can then tab to a field where you change the setting.  The check boxes say something like voice force change. 
 
But based  on your description, I wonder if there is a problem with how the SAPI 5 program is running on your machine.  When I tried the demo, there was inflection similar to that of JAWS.  The volume, as I recall, was fine.  I don’t recall if there was a volume setting in NVDA itself when using the program. 
 
If I understand what you are reporting, you hear no inflection.  this is definitely not expected behavior.  I’ve tried the SAPI program on more than one computer and had inflection similar to JAWS.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2021 9:40 AM
Subject: [nvda] problems wiht the nvda eloquence and sapi eloquence add on/apps
 

Hello. I’m trying the eloquence add on and have also tried the sapi add on. I find that:

 

  1. The rate boost is gone.
  2. The inflection slider is missing
  3. The volume of the voice is way too low even at 100 percent.

I guess I’m too used to the IBM tts voice I’ve been using now since about 2017. I’m also used to the old eloquence from about 2003. Lol. Is there any way to get these sliders back with nvda? –

 


Sarah k Alawami
 

Probably never, not unless I need them. I can ear everything else, just not my synth speech, I need that voice to be loud. Is there an overwrite volume setting or a way to get the add on to go above 100 percent? I'm quite good at hacking, so I would not mind doing that.

On 15 Jul 2021, at 9:05, Chris Smart wrote:

At what point do you investigate hearing aids?


I have powered speakers on my computer or can plug in headphones, and either of those can get very very loud if need be.


On 2021-07-15 12:01 p.m., Sarah k Alawami wrote:

No, the inflectioni was a lot more in jaws way back in about 2000 to 2003. And the volume is way too low even with nvda cranked at 100 percent in volume control and in nvda itwwself. I'm now trying the add on and the result is the same, the volume is way way way too low for my liking. I need that thign blasting into my ears.

On 15 Jul 2021, at 7:52, Gene wrote:

I don’t see anything related to inflection in the SAPI program.  However, if you open the settings for Eloquence, not in NVDA, but in the program, you can tab around and see check boxes for volume and a few other settings.  You can check the checkboxs for the item you want and you can then tab to a field where you change the setting.  The check boxes say something like voice force change. 
 
But based  on your description, I wonder if there is a problem with how the SAPI 5 program is running on your machine.  When I tried the demo, there was inflection similar to that of JAWS.  The volume, as I recall, was fine.  I don’t recall if there was a volume setting in NVDA itself when using the program. 
 
If I understand what you are reporting, you hear no inflection.  this is definitely not expected behavior.  I’ve tried the SAPI program on more than one computer and had inflection similar to JAWS.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2021 9:40 AM
Subject: [nvda] problems wiht the nvda eloquence and sapi eloquence add on/apps
 

Hello. I’m trying the eloquence add on and have also tried the sapi add on. I find that:

 

  1. The rate boost is gone.
  2. The inflection slider is missing
  3. The volume of the voice is way too low even at 100 percent.

I guess I’m too used to the IBM tts voice I’ve been using now since about 2017. I’m also used to the old eloquence from about 2003. Lol. Is there any way to get these sliders back with nvda? –

 


Chris Smart
 

If your computer has a 1/8 jack for audio out, what happens if you plug some cheap earbuds into it? How loud does that get?



On 2021-07-15 12:07 p.m., Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Probably never, not unless I need them. I can ear everything else, just not my synth speech, I need that voice to be loud. Is there an overwrite volume setting or a way to get the add on to go above 100 percent? I'm quite good at hacking, so I would not mind doing that.

On 15 Jul 2021, at 9:05, Chris Smart wrote:

At what point do you investigate hearing aids?


I have powered speakers on my computer or can plug in headphones, and either of those can get very very loud if need be.


On 2021-07-15 12:01 p.m., Sarah k Alawami wrote:

No, the inflectioni was a lot more in jaws way back in about 2000 to 2003. And the volume is way too low even with nvda cranked at 100 percent in volume control and in nvda itwwself. I'm now trying the add on and the result is the same, the volume is way way way too low for my liking. I need that thign blasting into my ears.

On 15 Jul 2021, at 7:52, Gene wrote:

I don’t see anything related to inflection in the SAPI program.  However, if you open the settings for Eloquence, not in NVDA, but in the program, you can tab around and see check boxes for volume and a few other settings.  You can check the checkboxs for the item you want and you can then tab to a field where you change the setting.  The check boxes say something like voice force change. 
 
But based  on your description, I wonder if there is a problem with how the SAPI 5 program is running on your machine.  When I tried the demo, there was inflection similar to that of JAWS.  The volume, as I recall, was fine.  I don’t recall if there was a volume setting in NVDA itself when using the program. 
 
If I understand what you are reporting, you hear no inflection.  this is definitely not expected behavior.  I’ve tried the SAPI program on more than one computer and had inflection similar to JAWS.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2021 9:40 AM
Subject: [nvda] problems wiht the nvda eloquence and sapi eloquence add on/apps
 

Hello. I’m trying the eloquence add on and have also tried the sapi add on. I find that:

 

  1. The rate boost is gone.
  2. The inflection slider is missing
  3. The volume of the voice is way too low even at 100 percent.

I guess I’m too used to the IBM tts voice I’ve been using now since about 2017. I’m also used to the old eloquence from about 2003. Lol. Is there any way to get these sliders back with nvda? –

 


Chris Smart
 

Or do you own a hardware mixer, maybe a powered mixer? You could feed the computer out into that, and turn up the monitor level as high as you want.


Sarah k Alawami
 

Not very, and ear bloods hurt my ears. My headphone jack sounds like something from the 80s. lol!I had a nice 1 jack sound card once that broke when I sat on it, that thing was nice. If you all want to know more write me off line.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Smart
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2021 9:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problems wiht the nvda eloquence and sapi eloquence add on/apps

 

If your computer has a 1/8 jack for audio out, what happens if you plug some cheap earbuds into it? How loud does that get?

 

 

On 2021-07-15 12:07 p.m., Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Probably never, not unless I need them. I can ear everything else, just not my synth speech, I need that voice to be loud. Is there an overwrite volume setting or a way to get the add on to go above 100 percent? I'm quite good at hacking, so I would not mind doing that.

On 15 Jul 2021, at 9:05, Chris Smart wrote:

At what point do you investigate hearing aids?

 

I have powered speakers on my computer or can plug in headphones, and either of those can get very very loud if need be.

 

On 2021-07-15 12:01 p.m., Sarah k Alawami wrote:

No, the inflectioni was a lot more in jaws way back in about 2000 to 2003. And the volume is way too low even with nvda cranked at 100 percent in volume control and in nvda itwwself. I'm now trying the add on and the result is the same, the volume is way way way too low for my liking. I need that thign blasting into my ears.

On 15 Jul 2021, at 7:52, Gene wrote:

I don’t see anything related to inflection in the SAPI program.  However, if you open the settings for Eloquence, not in NVDA, but in the program, you can tab around and see check boxes for volume and a few other settings.  You can check the checkboxs for the item you want and you can then tab to a field where you change the setting.  The check boxes say something like voice force change. 

 

But based  on your description, I wonder if there is a problem with how the SAPI 5 program is running on your machine.  When I tried the demo, there was inflection similar to that of JAWS.  The volume, as I recall, was fine.  I don’t recall if there was a volume setting in NVDA itself when using the program. 

 

If I understand what you are reporting, you hear no inflection.  this is definitely not expected behavior.  I’ve tried the SAPI program on more than one computer and had inflection similar to JAWS.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2021 9:40 AM

Subject: [nvda] problems wiht the nvda eloquence and sapi eloquence add on/apps

 

Hello. I’m trying the eloquence add on and have also tried the sapi add on. I find that:

 

  1. The rate boost is gone.
  2. The inflection slider is missing
  3. The volume of the voice is way too low even at 100 percent.

I guess I’m too used to the IBM tts voice I’ve been using now since about 2017. I’m also used to the old eloquence from about 2003. Lol. Is there any way to get these sliders back with nvda? –

 


Sarah k Alawami
 

I do, but that will be too much trouble than what it's worth, plus it's not hooked up to my pc. I don't have an audio in or a monitor out for this thing, it's quite basic for an 8 channel mixer.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Smart
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2021 9:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problems wiht the nvda eloquence and sapi eloquence add on/apps

Or do you own a hardware mixer, maybe a powered mixer? You could feed the computer out into that, and turn up the monitor level as high as you want.


Chris Smart
 

I said earbuds, not ear plugs. but ok, whatever.



On 2021-07-15 12:41 p.m., Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Not very, and ear bloods hurt my ears. My headphone jack sounds like something from the 80s. lol!I had a nice 1 jack sound card once that broke when I sat on it, that thing was nice. If you all want to know more write me off line.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Smart
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2021 9:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problems wiht the nvda eloquence and sapi eloquence add on/apps

 

If your computer has a 1/8 jack for audio out, what happens if you plug some cheap earbuds into it? How loud does that get?

 

 

On 2021-07-15 12:07 p.m., Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Probably never, not unless I need them. I can ear everything else, just not my synth speech, I need that voice to be loud. Is there an overwrite volume setting or a way to get the add on to go above 100 percent? I'm quite good at hacking, so I would not mind doing that.

On 15 Jul 2021, at 9:05, Chris Smart wrote:

At what point do you investigate hearing aids?

 

I have powered speakers on my computer or can plug in headphones, and either of those can get very very loud if need be.

 

On 2021-07-15 12:01 p.m., Sarah k Alawami wrote:

No, the inflectioni was a lot more in jaws way back in about 2000 to 2003. And the volume is way too low even with nvda cranked at 100 percent in volume control and in nvda itwwself. I'm now trying the add on and the result is the same, the volume is way way way too low for my liking. I need that thign blasting into my ears.

On 15 Jul 2021, at 7:52, Gene wrote:

I don’t see anything related to inflection in the SAPI program.  However, if you open the settings for Eloquence, not in NVDA, but in the program, you can tab around and see check boxes for volume and a few other settings.  You can check the checkboxs for the item you want and you can then tab to a field where you change the setting.  The check boxes say something like voice force change. 

 

But based  on your description, I wonder if there is a problem with how the SAPI 5 program is running on your machine.  When I tried the demo, there was inflection similar to that of JAWS.  The volume, as I recall, was fine.  I don’t recall if there was a volume setting in NVDA itself when using the program. 

 

If I understand what you are reporting, you hear no inflection.  this is definitely not expected behavior.  I’ve tried the SAPI program on more than one computer and had inflection similar to JAWS.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2021 9:40 AM

To: Nvda List

Subject: [nvda] problems wiht the nvda eloquence and sapi eloquence add on/apps

 

Hello. I’m trying the eloquence add on and have also tried the sapi add on. I find that:

 

  1. The rate boost is gone.
  2. The inflection slider is missing
  3. The volume of the voice is way too low even at 100 percent.

I guess I’m too used to the IBM tts voice I’ve been using now since about 2017. I’m also used to the old eloquence from about 2003. Lol. Is there any way to get these sliders back with nvda? –

 


Chris Smart
 

What solution do you propose then, since nothing anybody suggests is good enough? LOL


No, you can't turn things up beyond 100%.

On 2021-07-15 12:42 p.m., Sarah k Alawami wrote:
I do, but that will be too much trouble than what it's worth, plus it's not hooked up to my pc. I don't have an audio in or a monitor out for this thing, it's quite basic for an 8 channel mixer.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Smart
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2021 9:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problems wiht the nvda eloquence and sapi eloquence add on/apps

Or do you own a hardware mixer, maybe a powered mixer? You could feed the computer out into that, and turn up the monitor level as high as you want.










Pamela Dominguez
 

Eloquence is lower than Dectalk in my window eyes.  Pam.
 

Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2021 12:05 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problems wiht the nvda eloquence and sapi eloquence add on/apps
 

At what point do you investigate hearing aids?

 

I have powered speakers on my computer or can plug in headphones, and either of those can get very very loud if need be.

 

On 2021-07-15 12:01 p.m., Sarah k Alawami wrote:

No, the inflectioni was a lot more in jaws way back in about 2000 to 2003. And the volume is way too low even with nvda cranked at 100 percent in volume control and in nvda itwwself. I'm now trying the add on and the result is the same, the volume is way way way too low for my liking. I need that thign blasting into my ears.

On 15 Jul 2021, at 7:52, Gene wrote:

I don’t see anything related to inflection in the SAPI program.  However, if you open the settings for Eloquence, not in NVDA, but in the program, you can tab around and see check boxes for volume and a few other settings.  You can check the checkboxs for the item you want and you can then tab to a field where you change the setting.  The check boxes say something like voice force change. 
 
But based  on your description, I wonder if there is a problem with how the SAPI 5 program is running on your machine.  When I tried the demo, there was inflection similar to that of JAWS.  The volume, as I recall, was fine.  I don’t recall if there was a volume setting in NVDA itself when using the program. 
 
If I understand what you are reporting, you hear no inflection.  this is definitely not expected behavior.  I’ve tried the SAPI program on more than one computer and had inflection similar to JAWS.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2021 9:40 AM
Subject: [nvda] problems wiht the nvda eloquence and sapi eloquence add on/apps
 

Hello. I’m trying the eloquence add on and have also tried the sapi add on. I find that:

 

  1. The rate boost is gone.
  2. The inflection slider is missing
  3. The volume of the voice is way too low even at 100 percent.

I guess I’m too used to the IBM tts voice I’ve been using now since about 2017. I’m also used to the old eloquence from about 2003. Lol. Is there any way to get these sliders back with nvda? –

 


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Arlene
 

Phew! I noticed that too. I downloaded a free trial of it back in the xp days.  Dectalk was better in Windoweyes.  Then years later to make a long story short. I tried system access as a free trial. I didn’t like dectalk anymore.  I got used to not having it!  I don’t like it anymore as a synth.  I got used to not having it after the dectalk express bit the dust. 

 

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From: Pamela Dominguez
Sent: July 16, 2021 3:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problems wiht the nvda eloquence and sapi eloquence add on/apps

 

Eloquence is lower than Dectalk in my window eyes.  Pam.

 

Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2021 12:05 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] problems wiht the nvda eloquence and sapi eloquence add on/apps

 

At what point do you investigate hearing aids?

 

I have powered speakers on my computer or can plug in headphones, and either of those can get very very loud if need be.

 

On 2021-07-15 12:01 p.m., Sarah k Alawami wrote:

No, the inflectioni was a lot more in jaws way back in about 2000 to 2003. And the volume is way too low even with nvda cranked at 100 percent in volume control and in nvda itwwself. I'm now trying the add on and the result is the same, the volume is way way way too low for my liking. I need that thign blasting into my ears.

On 15 Jul 2021, at 7:52, Gene wrote:

I don’t see anything related to inflection in the SAPI program.  However, if you open the settings for Eloquence, not in NVDA, but in the program, you can tab around and see check boxes for volume and a few other settings.  You can check the checkboxs for the item you want and you can then tab to a field where you change the setting.  The check boxes say something like voice force change. 

 

But based  on your description, I wonder if there is a problem with how the SAPI 5 program is running on your machine.  When I tried the demo, there was inflection similar to that of JAWS.  The volume, as I recall, was fine.  I don’t recall if there was a volume setting in NVDA itself when using the program. 

 

If I understand what you are reporting, you hear no inflection.  this is definitely not expected behavior.  I’ve tried the SAPI program on more than one computer and had inflection similar to JAWS.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2021 9:40 AM

Subject: [nvda] problems wiht the nvda eloquence and sapi eloquence add on/apps

 

Hello. I’m trying the eloquence add on and have also tried the sapi add on. I find that:

 

  1. The rate boost is gone.
  2. The inflection slider is missing
  3. The volume of the voice is way too low even at 100 percent.

I guess I’m too used to the IBM tts voice I’ve been using now since about 2017. I’m also used to the old eloquence from about 2003. Lol. Is there any way to get these sliders back with nvda? –

 

 

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