locked Question about SAPI 4 version of eloquence


Louise Pfau
 

Hi.  I use a combination of JAWS, OpenBook, and NVDA, so I have a fully-licenced copy of Eloquence.  The interesting thing is that what sounds like a combination of Eloquence and IBM Viavoice (depending on which voice you select) is listed as “SAPI 4” in the NVDA list of synthesizers.  The only thing I can think of regarding what sounds like the Viavoice synthesizer is that it might be a remnant from an older version of OpenBook.  Given the recent discussion about using software, I want to make sure I’m not doing anything wrong.
 
Thanks,
 
Louise


Gene
 

It may be a remnant of an old Openbook but it is nothing to worry about.  If IBM had cared if Via Voice was used with other programs on your machine after you purchased it along with a program, they would have restricted its use as Vispero restricts its version of Eloquence to only its programs.  Since IBM could have done this for all the years it used Via Voice and didn’t, I consider that as meaning that they didn’t care if it was used with other programs.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 2:01 PM
Subject: [nvda] Question about SAPI 4 version of eloquence
 
Hi.  I use a combination of JAWS, OpenBook, and NVDA, so I have a fully-licenced copy of Eloquence.  The interesting thing is that what sounds like a combination of Eloquence and IBM Viavoice (depending on which voice you select) is listed as “SAPI 4” in the NVDA list of synthesizers.  The only thing I can think of regarding what sounds like the Viavoice synthesizer is that it might be a remnant from an older version of OpenBook.  Given the recent discussion about using software, I want to make sure I’m not doing anything wrong.
 
Thanks,
 
Louise


Josh Kennedy
 

also did you know that viavoice outloud sapi4 tts is available to download for free on IBM's publically available and open ftp site? It's buried inside of some folders on ftp.software.ibm.com ... But yes it is there for anybody to go grab and install and use. 


Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Will it work with windows 10 or is it for older systems?



On 5/28/2021 7:16 AM, Josh Kennedy wrote:
also did you know that viavoice outloud sapi4 tts is available to download for free on IBM's publically available and open ftp site? It's buried inside of some folders on ftp.software.ibm.com ... But yes it is there for anybody to go grab and install and use. 


Crayton Benner <craybay3198@...>
 

Last time I tried it, it worked fine with windows 10 no problems. 




On Friday, May 28, 2021, 11:31, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:

Will it work with windows 10 or is it for older systems?



On 5/28/2021 7:16 AM, Josh Kennedy wrote:
also did you know that viavoice outloud sapi4 tts is available to download for free on IBM's publically available and open ftp site? It's buried inside of some folders on ftp.software.ibm.com ... But yes it is there for anybody to go grab and install and use. 


Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I can't find the sownload link for it.



On 5/28/2021 8:38 AM, Crayton Benner via groups.io wrote:
Last time I tried it, it worked fine with windows 10 no problems. 




On Friday, May 28, 2021, 11:31, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:

Will it work with windows 10 or is it for older systems?



On 5/28/2021 7:16 AM, Josh Kennedy wrote:
also did you know that viavoice outloud sapi4 tts is available to download for free on IBM's publically available and open ftp site? It's buried inside of some folders on ftp.software.ibm.com ... But yes it is there for anybody to go grab and install and use. 


Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I meant I can't find the download link for it.



On 5/28/2021 8:48 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria via groups.io wrote:

I can't find the sownload link for it.



On 5/28/2021 8:38 AM, Crayton Benner via groups.io wrote:
Last time I tried it, it worked fine with windows 10 no problems. 




On Friday, May 28, 2021, 11:31, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:

Will it work with windows 10 or is it for older systems?



On 5/28/2021 7:16 AM, Josh Kennedy wrote:
also did you know that viavoice outloud sapi4 tts is available to download for free on IBM's publically available and open ftp site? It's buried inside of some folders on ftp.software.ibm.com ... But yes it is there for anybody to go grab and install and use. 


Hareth
 

There you go:
ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/software/embedded_viavoice/

On 5/28/21, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@gmail.com> wrote:
I meant I can't find the download link for it.



On 5/28/2021 8:48 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria via groups.io wrote:

I can't find the sownload link for it.



On 5/28/2021 8:38 AM, Crayton Benner via groups.io wrote:
Last time I tried it, it worked fine with windows 10 no problems.




On Friday, May 28, 2021, 11:31, Rosemarie Chavarria
<knitqueen2007@gmail.com> wrote:

Will it work with windows 10 or is it for older systems?



On 5/28/2021 7:16 AM, Josh Kennedy wrote:
also did you know that viavoice outloud sapi4 tts is available
to download for free on IBM's publically available and open ftp
site? It's buried inside of some folders on ftp.software.ibm.com
<ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com> ... But yes it is there for anybody
to go grab and install and use.





Ron Canazzi
 

This link goes nowhere.

On 5/28/2021 1:02 PM, Hareth wrote:
There you go:
ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/software/embedded_viavoice/

On 5/28/21, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@gmail.com> wrote:
I meant I can't find the download link for it.



On 5/28/2021 8:48 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria via groups.io wrote:
I can't find the sownload link for it.



On 5/28/2021 8:38 AM, Crayton Benner via groups.io wrote:
Last time I tried it, it worked fine with windows 10 no problems.




On Friday, May 28, 2021, 11:31, Rosemarie Chavarria
<knitqueen2007@gmail.com> wrote:

Will it work with windows 10 or is it for older systems?



On 5/28/2021 7:16 AM, Josh Kennedy wrote:
also did you know that viavoice outloud sapi4 tts is available
to download for free on IBM's publically available and open ftp
site? It's buried inside of some folders on ftp.software.ibm.com
<ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com> ... But yes it is there for anybody
to go grab and install and use.




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They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


 

What?


ibm has an ftp.

You know I will have to brouse about.

My only issue with sapi4 viavoice is it can be hard to remove sometimes.



On 29/05/2021 2:16 am, Josh Kennedy wrote:
also did you know that viavoice outloud sapi4 tts is available to download for free on IBM's publically available and open ftp site? It's buried inside of some folders on ftp.software.ibm.com ... But yes it is there for anybody to go grab and install and use. 


Rosemarie Chavarria
 

This link takes me nowhere.

On 5/28/2021 10:02 AM, Hareth wrote:
There you go:
ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/software/embedded_viavoice/

On 5/28/21, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@gmail.com> wrote:
I meant I can't find the download link for it.



On 5/28/2021 8:48 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria via groups.io wrote:
I can't find the sownload link for it.



On 5/28/2021 8:38 AM, Crayton Benner via groups.io wrote:
Last time I tried it, it worked fine with windows 10 no problems.




On Friday, May 28, 2021, 11:31, Rosemarie Chavarria
<knitqueen2007@gmail.com> wrote:

Will it work with windows 10 or is it for older systems?



On 5/28/2021 7:16 AM, Josh Kennedy wrote:
also did you know that viavoice outloud sapi4 tts is available
to download for free on IBM's publically available and open ftp
site? It's buried inside of some folders on ftp.software.ibm.com
<ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com> ... But yes it is there for anybody
to go grab and install and use.





Hareth
 

its an ftp directory!
copy it,
paste it in the run edit box, and open it with the good old internet explorer.

On 5/28/21, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@gmail.com> wrote:
This link takes me nowhere.



On 5/28/2021 10:02 AM, Hareth wrote:
There you go:
ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/software/embedded_viavoice/

On 5/28/21, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@gmail.com> wrote:
I meant I can't find the download link for it.



On 5/28/2021 8:48 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria via groups.io wrote:
I can't find the sownload link for it.



On 5/28/2021 8:38 AM, Crayton Benner via groups.io wrote:
Last time I tried it, it worked fine with windows 10 no problems.




On Friday, May 28, 2021, 11:31, Rosemarie Chavarria
<knitqueen2007@gmail.com> wrote:

Will it work with windows 10 or is it for older systems?



On 5/28/2021 7:16 AM, Josh Kennedy wrote:
also did you know that viavoice outloud sapi4 tts is available
to download for free on IBM's publically available and open ftp
site? It's buried inside of some folders on ftp.software.ibm.com
<ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com> ... But yes it is there for anybody
to go grab and install and use.










Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I don't think it's gonna work with windows 10 so I won't take any chances that it could harm my computer.

On 5/28/2021 11:07 AM, Hareth wrote:
its an ftp directory!
copy it,
paste it in the run edit box, and open it with the good old internet explorer.


On 5/28/21, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@gmail.com> wrote:
This link takes me nowhere.



On 5/28/2021 10:02 AM, Hareth wrote:
There you go:
ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/software/embedded_viavoice/

On 5/28/21, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@gmail.com> wrote:
I meant I can't find the download link for it.



On 5/28/2021 8:48 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria via groups.io wrote:
I can't find the sownload link for it.



On 5/28/2021 8:38 AM, Crayton Benner via groups.io wrote:
Last time I tried it, it worked fine with windows 10 no problems.




On Friday, May 28, 2021, 11:31, Rosemarie Chavarria
<knitqueen2007@gmail.com> wrote:

Will it work with windows 10 or is it for older systems?



On 5/28/2021 7:16 AM, Josh Kennedy wrote:
also did you know that viavoice outloud sapi4 tts is available
to download for free on IBM's publically available and open ftp
site? It's buried inside of some folders on ftp.software.ibm.com
<ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com> ... But yes it is there for anybody
to go grab and install and use.








Hareth
 

It works just fine on the latest win10 stable, as well as acapela's
bright speech super responsive sapi4 voices its as old or a little
newer.

On 5/28/21, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't think it's gonna work with windows 10 so I won't take any
chances that it could harm my computer.



On 5/28/2021 11:07 AM, Hareth wrote:
its an ftp directory!
copy it,
paste it in the run edit box, and open it with the good old internet
explorer.


On 5/28/21, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@gmail.com> wrote:
This link takes me nowhere.



On 5/28/2021 10:02 AM, Hareth wrote:
There you go:
ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/software/embedded_viavoice/

On 5/28/21, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@gmail.com> wrote:
I meant I can't find the download link for it.



On 5/28/2021 8:48 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria via groups.io wrote:
I can't find the sownload link for it.



On 5/28/2021 8:38 AM, Crayton Benner via groups.io wrote:
Last time I tried it, it worked fine with windows 10 no problems.




On Friday, May 28, 2021, 11:31, Rosemarie Chavarria
<knitqueen2007@gmail.com> wrote:

Will it work with windows 10 or is it for older systems?



On 5/28/2021 7:16 AM, Josh Kennedy wrote:
also did you know that viavoice outloud sapi4 tts is
available
to download for free on IBM's publically available and open
ftp
site? It's buried inside of some folders on
ftp.software.ibm.com
<ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com> ... But yes it is there for
anybody
to go grab and install and use.













 

Hi,
This program requires Windows CE services, meaning it is really meant for pocket PC's and other old devices. I can't say for legality of this, but I recommend not using it.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Hareth
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 11:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question about SAPI 4 version of eloquence

It works just fine on the latest win10 stable, as well as acapela's bright speech super responsive sapi4 voices its as old or a little newer.

On 5/28/21, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't think it's gonna work with windows 10 so I won't take any
chances that it could harm my computer.



On 5/28/2021 11:07 AM, Hareth wrote:
its an ftp directory!
copy it,
paste it in the run edit box, and open it with the good old internet
explorer.


On 5/28/21, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@gmail.com> wrote:
This link takes me nowhere.



On 5/28/2021 10:02 AM, Hareth wrote:
There you go:
ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/software/embedded_viavoice/

On 5/28/21, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@gmail.com> wrote:
I meant I can't find the download link for it.



On 5/28/2021 8:48 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria via groups.io wrote:
I can't find the sownload link for it.



On 5/28/2021 8:38 AM, Crayton Benner via groups.io wrote:
Last time I tried it, it worked fine with windows 10 no problems.




On Friday, May 28, 2021, 11:31, Rosemarie Chavarria
<knitqueen2007@gmail.com> wrote:

Will it work with windows 10 or is it for older systems?



On 5/28/2021 7:16 AM, Josh Kennedy wrote:
also did you know that viavoice outloud sapi4 tts is
available
to download for free on IBM's publically available and
open ftp
site? It's buried inside of some folders on
ftp.software.ibm.com
<ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com> ... But yes it is there for
anybody
to go grab and install and use.













Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Joseph,


Thanks so much for the explanation. I'm not gonna download it.


Rosemarie

On 5/28/2021 11:29 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
This program requires Windows CE services, meaning it is really meant for pocket PC's and other old devices. I can't say for legality of this, but I recommend not using it.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Hareth
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 11:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question about SAPI 4 version of eloquence

It works just fine on the latest win10 stable, as well as acapela's bright speech super responsive sapi4 voices its as old or a little newer.

On 5/28/21, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't think it's gonna work with windows 10 so I won't take any
chances that it could harm my computer.



On 5/28/2021 11:07 AM, Hareth wrote:
its an ftp directory!
copy it,
paste it in the run edit box, and open it with the good old internet
explorer.


On 5/28/21, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@gmail.com> wrote:
This link takes me nowhere.



On 5/28/2021 10:02 AM, Hareth wrote:
There you go:
ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/software/embedded_viavoice/

On 5/28/21, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@gmail.com> wrote:
I meant I can't find the download link for it.



On 5/28/2021 8:48 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria via groups.io wrote:
I can't find the sownload link for it.



On 5/28/2021 8:38 AM, Crayton Benner via groups.io wrote:
Last time I tried it, it worked fine with windows 10 no problems.




On Friday, May 28, 2021, 11:31, Rosemarie Chavarria
<knitqueen2007@gmail.com> wrote:

Will it work with windows 10 or is it for older systems?



On 5/28/2021 7:16 AM, Josh Kennedy wrote:
also did you know that viavoice outloud sapi4 tts is
available
to download for free on IBM's publically available and
open ftp
site? It's buried inside of some folders on
ftp.software.ibm.com
<ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com> ... But yes it is there for
anybody
to go grab and install and use.














Gene
 

What browser or FTP client are you using?  The llink does work.  It may be that your browser doesn’t support ftp links or that there is a problem with the browser.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 12:27 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question about SAPI 4 version of eloquence
 
This link goes nowhere.


On 5/28/2021 1:02 PM, Hareth wrote:
> There you go:
> ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/software/embedded_viavoice/
>
> On 5/28/21, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:
>> I meant I can't find the download link for it.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 5/28/2021 8:48 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria via groups.io wrote:
>>> I can't find the sownload link for it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/28/2021 8:38 AM, Crayton Benner via groups.io wrote:
>>>> Last time I tried it, it worked fine with windows 10 no problems.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, May 28, 2021, 11:31, Rosemarie Chavarria
>>>> <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>      Will it work with windows 10 or is it for older systems?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>      On 5/28/2021 7:16 AM, Josh Kennedy wrote:
>>>>>      also did you know that viavoice outloud sapi4 tts is available
>>>>>      to download for free on IBM's publically available and open ftp
>>>>>      site? It's buried inside of some folders on ftp.software.ibm.com
>>>>>      <ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com> ... But yes it is there for anybody
>>>>>      to go grab and install and use.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"






 

On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 02:37 PM, Gene wrote:
What browser or FTP client are you using?
-
And we have a winner!!   For security reasons many modern browsers will not deal gracefully with FTP links (that is, they start with ftp://).  I always use an FTP (or, to be more technically correct, SFTP [Safe File Transfer Protocol]) client for these kinds of links.  Tool to task.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Gene
 

However, you are in a list of files with names that don’t tell us what the files are for.  Which one or ones should be used for what?
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 12:27 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question about SAPI 4 version of eloquence
 
This link goes nowhere.


On 5/28/2021 1:02 PM, Hareth wrote:
> There you go:
> ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/software/embedded_viavoice/
>
> On 5/28/21, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:
>> I meant I can't find the download link for it.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 5/28/2021 8:48 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria via groups.io wrote:
>>> I can't find the sownload link for it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/28/2021 8:38 AM, Crayton Benner via groups.io wrote:
>>>> Last time I tried it, it worked fine with windows 10 no problems.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, May 28, 2021, 11:31, Rosemarie Chavarria
>>>> <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>      Will it work with windows 10 or is it for older systems?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>      On 5/28/2021 7:16 AM, Josh Kennedy wrote:
>>>>>      also did you know that viavoice outloud sapi4 tts is available
>>>>>      to download for free on IBM's publically available and open ftp
>>>>>      site? It's buried inside of some folders on ftp.software.ibm.com
>>>>>      <ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com> ... But yes it is there for anybody
>>>>>      to go grab and install and use.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"






Roger Stewart
 

I just tried it and I do get to an ftp directory. However, the file names are in "geek speak" format and make no sense to me.  I don't know which file I need to download in order to install it.
Roger

On 5/28/2021 1:07 PM, Hareth wrote:
its an ftp directory!
copy it,
paste it in the run edit box, and open it with the good old internet explorer.


On 5/28/21, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@gmail.com> wrote:
This link takes me nowhere.



On 5/28/2021 10:02 AM, Hareth wrote:
There you go:
ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/software/embedded_viavoice/

On 5/28/21, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@gmail.com> wrote:
I meant I can't find the download link for it.



On 5/28/2021 8:48 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria via groups.io wrote:
I can't find the sownload link for it.



On 5/28/2021 8:38 AM, Crayton Benner via groups.io wrote:
Last time I tried it, it worked fine with windows 10 no problems.




On Friday, May 28, 2021, 11:31, Rosemarie Chavarria
<knitqueen2007@gmail.com> wrote:

Will it work with windows 10 or is it for older systems?



On 5/28/2021 7:16 AM, Josh Kennedy wrote:
also did you know that viavoice outloud sapi4 tts is available
to download for free on IBM's publically available and open ftp
site? It's buried inside of some folders on ftp.software.ibm.com
<ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com> ... But yes it is there for anybody
to go grab and install and use.








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