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Reading Graphics with NVDA


Albert Peters
 

Good Day


Please forgive me if this question has been asked and answered previously.


I've received an e-mail newsletter with a graph in the body which, I suppose, may be the contents.  NVDA simply announces "blank".-


Kindly advise me as to how I may convert this graphic so that NVDA can read it to me, please.


Thanks in advance for all advice  offered.


Warm regards.



Albert

South Africa


 

At the moment, I don't know if you can.  There had been an NVDA Add-On for this purpose that "went dead" a couple of months ago.  I have e-mailed its developer and never heard back.

There was also the hope that an improved version which was in the works might appear on the Add-Ons page once it went through the necessary vetting process.  That has not, as of yet, occurred.

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Aravind R
 

in chrome browser settings, enable image description.

On 02/08/2020, Albert Peters <albertjpeters@...> wrote:
Good Day


Please forgive me if this question has been asked and answered previously.


I've received an e-mail newsletter with a graph in the body which, I
suppose, may be the contents.  NVDA simply announces "blank".-


Kindly advise me as to how I may convert this graphic so that NVDA can
read it to me, please.


Thanks in advance for all advice  offered.


Warm regards.



Albert

South Africa






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g melconian
 

You don’t specifically say where to look and how to turn it on. Have to go into google chrome settings , then to advanced settings , in accessibility settings, then there is image description. That is either toggle on or off, if its toggled off , then toggle it on.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Aravind R
Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2020 8:11 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading Graphics with NVDA

in chrome browser settings, enable image description.

On 02/08/2020, Albert Peters <albertjpeters@...> wrote:
Good Day


Please forgive me if this question has been asked and answered previously.


I've received an e-mail newsletter with a graph in the body which, I
suppose, may be the contents. NVDA simply announces "blank".-


Kindly advise me as to how I may convert this graphic so that NVDA can
read it to me, please.


Thanks in advance for all advice offered.


Warm regards.



Albert

South Africa






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--
--
nothing is difficult unless you make it appear so.

r. aravind,

manager
Department of sales
bank of baroda specialised mortgage store, Chennai.
mobile no: +91 9940369593,
email id : aravind_069@..., aravind.andhrabank@....
aravind.rajendran@....


 

Also, you won't find "image description" in those Advanced Accessibility settings unless you do more to get it there via the Chrome Web Store, I'd presume.   I know I've never done anything with regard to image description, and it's not there.  I can find only one extension in the Web Store that directly references image description in its name, Better Image Descriptions, and another with the cute name, Oh Caption, My Caption.

I'm running Chrome Version Version 84.0.4147.105 (Official Build) (64-bit)

If there's some other secret to getting image description in Chrome then more details are needed.
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. . . the presumption of innocence, while essential in the legal realm, does not mean the elimination of common sense outside it.  The willing suspension of disbelief has its limits, or should.

 

    ~ Ruth Marcus,  November 10, 2017, in Washington Post article, Bannon is right: It’s no coincidence The Post broke the Moore story

 

 


Gene
 

I don't know what these add-ons do, but Google already furnishes image descriptions. I don't know what conditions are necessary or if you have to be on the image or just on the page. I've almost never used the feature. Open the context menu on any web page while using Chrome and you will see an image description submenu if you look through the menu.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2020 4:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading Graphics with NVDA

Also, you won't find "image description" in those Advanced Accessibility settings unless you do more to get it there via the Chrome Web Store, I'd presume. I know I've never done anything with regard to image description, and it's not there. I can find only one extension in the Web Store that directly references image description in its name, Better Image Descriptions, and another with the cute name, Oh Caption, My Caption.

I'm running Chrome Version Version 84.0.4147.105 (Official Build) (64-bit)

If there's some other secret to getting image description in Chrome then more details are needed.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

. . . the presumption of innocence, while essential in the legal realm, does not mean the elimination of common sense outside it. The willing suspension of disbelief has its limits, or should.



~ Ruth Marcus, November 10, 2017, in Washington Post article, Bannon is right: It’s no coincidence The Post broke the Moore story


hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


if using google chrome do the following and it can also be done in the settings  part.


The easiest way is use the applications key while on a web page then arrow down to get image descriptions from google there is a sub menu that comes off it one is for once and the other is always/

Pick the always one then press the enter key. It will give you a message saying what ever some thing likeit it will need to be sent to google any how just say yes to the pop up and then after that most un labled graphics will be spoken out.


it can also be reversed by turning it off but you will not.


I used it on tvnz on demand to read out all the un labled graphics for the show/movies there and works a treat.


Turn it off none of the show/movies are spoken out.


In this case I had to jump down by graphics to know what they were. as if I just done it by link it just said new episode.


It does not work on every graphic but does a very good job cconsidering AI is used I am told.


Gene nz

On 3/08/2020 8:24 am, g melconian wrote:
You don’t specifically say where to look and how to turn it on. Have to go into google chrome settings , then to advanced settings , in accessibility settings, then there is image description. That is either toggle on or off, if its toggled off , then toggle it on.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Aravind R
Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2020 8:11 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading Graphics with NVDA

in chrome browser settings, enable image description.

On 02/08/2020, Albert Peters <albertjpeters@...> wrote:
Good Day


Please forgive me if this question has been asked and answered previously.


I've received an e-mail newsletter with a graph in the body which, I
suppose, may be the contents. NVDA simply announces "blank".-


Kindly advise me as to how I may convert this graphic so that NVDA can
read it to me, please.


Thanks in advance for all advice offered.


Warm regards.



Albert

South Africa






hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi gene


When it is turned on in google it will do it for the whole page.

it might take a little time to know what they are but is pretty quick.


I used it on tvnz on demand to know what the shows/movies were as these were un labled graphics.


After it was done I jumped down by graphics and I knew what they all were pretty much.


Worth turning on if you have a the google browser.


Gene nz

On 3/08/2020 9:40 am, Gene wrote:
I don't know what these add-ons do, but Google already furnishes image descriptions.  I don't know what conditions are necessary or if you have to be on the image or just on the page.  I've almost never used the feature. Open the context menu on any web page while using Chrome and you will see an image description submenu if you look through the menu.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2020 4:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading Graphics with NVDA

Also, you won't find "image description" in those Advanced Accessibility settings unless you do more to get it there via the Chrome Web Store, I'd presume.   I know I've never done anything with regard to image description, and it's not there.  I can find only one extension in the Web Store that directly references image description in its name, Better Image Descriptions, and another with the cute name, Oh Caption, My Caption.

I'm running Chrome Version Version 84.0.4147.105 (Official Build) (64-bit)

If there's some other secret to getting image description in Chrome then more details are needed.


g melconian
 

Bryan what version of chrome do you have.i hav chrome version 84 and its there Just double checked. . 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2020 2:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading Graphics with NVDA

 

Also, you won't find "image description" in those Advanced Accessibility settings unless you do more to get it there via the Chrome Web Store, I'd presume.   I know I've never done anything with regard to image description, and it's not there.  I can find only one extension in the Web Store that directly references image description in its name, Better Image Descriptions, and another with the cute name, Oh Caption, My Caption.

I'm running Chrome Version Version 84.0.4147.105 (Official Build) (64-bit)

If there's some other secret to getting image description in Chrome then more details are needed.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

. . . the presumption of innocence, while essential in the legal realm, does not mean the elimination of common sense outside it.  The willing suspension of disbelief has its limits, or should.

 

    ~ Ruth Marcus,  November 10, 2017, in Washington Post article, Bannon is right: It’s no coincidence The Post broke the Moore story

 

 


 

On Sun, Aug 2, 2020 at 06:15 PM, g melconian wrote:
Bryan what version of chrome do you have.
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As I said in my previous post:  I'm running Chrome Version Version 84.0.4147.105 (Official Build) (64-bit)

I'm not doubting it's there for you.  What I'm saying is that it's not there by default, and that you did something, at some point in the past, that causes this to appear.

The only two items in the Accessibility options on my machine, and also on my partner's (and I know he's never touched anything with regard to advanced Chrome settings) are Captions and Add accessibility features - open Chrome web store.  His machine is running exactly the same version of Chrome as mine is, and both report Chrome being up to date with regard to version after doing a check.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

. . . the presumption of innocence, while essential in the legal realm, does not mean the elimination of common sense outside it.  The willing suspension of disbelief has its limits, or should.

 

    ~ Ruth Marcus,  November 10, 2017, in Washington Post article, Bannon is right: It’s no coincidence The Post broke the Moore story

 

 


Gene
 

Its on mine as well. I've turned on and off this feature using the context menu but I don't see why that would cause it not to be available in the advanced settings. It’s a toggle button.

Is it there when you go through the items with a screen-reader running? While I doubt it, without checking, we don't definitely know if the presence of a screen-reader causes it to be or not be available.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2020 5:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading Graphics with NVDA

On Sun, Aug 2, 2020 at 06:15 PM, g melconian wrote:
Bryan what version of chrome do you have.-
As I said in my previous post: I'm running Chrome Version Version 84.0.4147.105 (Official Build) (64-bit)

I'm not doubting it's there for you. What I'm saying is that it's not there by default, and that you did something, at some point in the past, that causes this to appear.

The only two items in the Accessibility options on my machine, and also on my partner's (and I know he's never touched anything with regard to advanced Chrome settings) are Captions and Add accessibility features - open Chrome web store. His machine is running exactly the same version of Chrome as mine is, and both report Chrome being up to date with regard to version after doing a check.

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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

. . . the presumption of innocence, while essential in the legal realm, does not mean the elimination of common sense outside it. The willing suspension of disbelief has its limits, or should.



~ Ruth Marcus, November 10, 2017, in Washington Post article, Bannon is right: It’s no coincidence The Post broke the Moore story


 

What's even more interesting is that I cannot get the image description item to come up when bringing up the context menu in Chrome, either.  Nor in new Chromium-based Edge.

By contrast, if I do exactly the same thing in Brave, on the same webpage for the same image, a "Get image descriptions from Brave" item appears, and its submenu is "always" and "just once."
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

. . . the presumption of innocence, while essential in the legal realm, does not mean the elimination of common sense outside it.  The willing suspension of disbelief has its limits, or should.

 

    ~ Ruth Marcus,  November 10, 2017, in Washington Post article, Bannon is right: It’s no coincidence The Post broke the Moore story

 

 


 

On Sun, Aug 2, 2020 at 06:27 PM, Gene wrote:
Is it there when you go through the items with a screen-reader running?
Gene,

           You hit the nail on the head.  It does appear when I have NVDA running and does not when I do not.

            New Edge does not appear to have Accessibility settings (or at least not under that moniker).  Brave does not either, under that or image or describ (I didn't bother completing the word, as that should be enough to get any variant), yet the option for the context menu pops up.

             This is the first time I've seen a browser settings be sensitive to whether a screen reader is running at the time or not.  This certainly makes sense when it's accessibility settings, though it does pose some dangers in terms of sighted assistants trying to assist by looking on their own machines (which will often not have a screen reader at all - or not one that they know how to run).   I'll have to see if this is picked up when running JAWS and Narrator later.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

. . . the presumption of innocence, while essential in the legal realm, does not mean the elimination of common sense outside it.  The willing suspension of disbelief has its limits, or should.

 

    ~ Ruth Marcus,  November 10, 2017, in Washington Post article, Bannon is right: It’s no coincidence The Post broke the Moore story

 

 


g melconian
 

Yes I am using  both NVDA  and JAWS.   I will see if its there  if I use narrator as well.   

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2020 3:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading Graphics with NVDA

 

On Sun, Aug 2, 2020 at 06:27 PM, Gene wrote:

Is it there when you go through the items with a screen-reader running?

Gene,

           You hit the nail on the head.  It does appear when I have NVDA running and does not when I do not.

            New Edge does not appear to have Accessibility settings (or at least not under that moniker).  Brave does not either, under that or image or describ (I didn't bother completing the word, as that should be enough to get any variant), yet the option for the context menu pops up.

             This is the first time I've seen a browser settings be sensitive to whether a screen reader is running at the time or not.  This certainly makes sense when it's accessibility settings, though it does pose some dangers in terms of sighted assistants trying to assist by looking on their own machines (which will often not have a screen reader at all - or not one that they know how to run).   I'll have to see if this is picked up when running JAWS and Narrator later.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

. . . the presumption of innocence, while essential in the legal realm, does not mean the elimination of common sense outside it.  The willing suspension of disbelief has its limits, or should.

 

    ~ Ruth Marcus,  November 10, 2017, in Washington Post article, Bannon is right: It’s no coincidence The Post broke the Moore story

 

 


g melconian
 

yes I have two options in accessibility settings,  captions and get image descriptions  and its toggled on.   Just tried  with NVDA , jaws , an narrator. 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2020 3:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading Graphics with NVDA

 

On Sun, Aug 2, 2020 at 06:27 PM, Gene wrote:

Is it there when you go through the items with a screen-reader running?

Gene,

           You hit the nail on the head.  It does appear when I have NVDA running and does not when I do not.

            New Edge does not appear to have Accessibility settings (or at least not under that moniker).  Brave does not either, under that or image or describ (I didn't bother completing the word, as that should be enough to get any variant), yet the option for the context menu pops up.

             This is the first time I've seen a browser settings be sensitive to whether a screen reader is running at the time or not.  This certainly makes sense when it's accessibility settings, though it does pose some dangers in terms of sighted assistants trying to assist by looking on their own machines (which will often not have a screen reader at all - or not one that they know how to run).   I'll have to see if this is picked up when running JAWS and Narrator later.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

. . . the presumption of innocence, while essential in the legal realm, does not mean the elimination of common sense outside it.  The willing suspension of disbelief has its limits, or should.

 

    ~ Ruth Marcus,  November 10, 2017, in Washington Post article, Bannon is right: It’s no coincidence The Post broke the Moore story

 

 


Quentin Christensen
 

The other thing which can help in some cases is NVDA's OCR.  Navigate to the graphic, press NVDA+r, then use your regular navigation / reading keys to read the result.  Press ESCAPE when done.  It won't necessarily work with fancy graphical text (eg handwriting script or low contrast), but might help in some cases.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 8:43 AM g melconian <gmelconian619@...> wrote:

yes I have two options in accessibility settings,  captions and get image descriptions  and its toggled on.   Just tried  with NVDA , jaws , an narrator. 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2020 3:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading Graphics with NVDA

 

On Sun, Aug 2, 2020 at 06:27 PM, Gene wrote:

Is it there when you go through the items with a screen-reader running?

Gene,

           You hit the nail on the head.  It does appear when I have NVDA running and does not when I do not.

            New Edge does not appear to have Accessibility settings (or at least not under that moniker).  Brave does not either, under that or image or describ (I didn't bother completing the word, as that should be enough to get any variant), yet the option for the context menu pops up.

             This is the first time I've seen a browser settings be sensitive to whether a screen reader is running at the time or not.  This certainly makes sense when it's accessibility settings, though it does pose some dangers in terms of sighted assistants trying to assist by looking on their own machines (which will often not have a screen reader at all - or not one that they know how to run).   I'll have to see if this is picked up when running JAWS and Narrator later.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

. . . the presumption of innocence, while essential in the legal realm, does not mean the elimination of common sense outside it.  The willing suspension of disbelief has its limits, or should.

 

    ~ Ruth Marcus,  November 10, 2017, in Washington Post article, Bannon is right: It’s no coincidence The Post broke the Moore story

 

 



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