Resource: Youtube Video From Thee Quinn: How to Use Microsoft Access With NVDA: Part 1


David Goldfield
 

 

User Thee Quinn has uploaded the first in a series of videos discussing using Microsoft Access with the NVDA screen reader.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jWI0YylFU8

 

 

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

JAWS Certified, 2019

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Richard B. McDonald
 

WOW, this girl is *SO* good!  She is to be commended.  I have always wondered, and struggled with, how to use Access.  Finally, someone did it!

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2021 6:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Resource: Youtube Video From Thee Quinn: How to Use Microsoft Access With NVDA: Part 1

 

 

User Thee Quinn has uploaded the first in a series of videos discussing using Microsoft Access with the NVDA screen reader.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jWI0YylFU8

 

 

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

JAWS Certified, 2019

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While I'll agree that any method to use MS-Access with a screen reader that works is absolutely amazing, this is an instance where I think that "going the GUI route" is a way to make things far, far more difficult than they need be.

I cut my teeth with databases before the age of the GUI interface learning SQL, which is still very widely in use to this day and which is supported (or was, anyway) by MS-Access and a lot of other relational databases.

The amount of work to learn SQL to commit and manipulate databases is not herculean.  The ability to deal with it when you're a screen reader user, since SQL is just plain text code, and pretty directly understandable plain text code for most of the basic database wizardry, it's just so much easier to deal with overall.  And that even applies to report formatting and generation.  

It's worth having a look at SQL as a possible option.  You might be pleasantly surprised at what you find.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.

         ~Martin Luther King, Jr.

 


tim
 

You know its interesting just how far and how much its lost with JFW and its access with Microsoft office products have dropped.

When i beta tested office 4.3 with JFW 3 it was totally accessible.

However, that was under henter Joyce and he wanted Office to be the power for those that work.

Now you have to fight for the accessibility he tried to achieve.

Thanks to him I got A's for all my Microsoft classes witch got me in the beta program. Back then office was so easy everything worked..

On 8/6/2021 10:37 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
While I'll agree that any method to use MS-Access with a screen reader that works is absolutely amazing, this is an instance where I think that "going the GUI route" is a way to make things far, far more difficult than they need be.

I cut my teeth with databases before the age of the GUI interface learning SQL, which is still very widely in use to this day and which is supported (or was, anyway) by MS-Access and a lot of other relational databases.

The amount of work to learn SQL to commit and manipulate databases is not herculean.  The ability to deal with it when you're a screen reader user, since SQL is just plain text code, and pretty directly understandable plain text code for most of the basic database wizardry, it's just so much easier to deal with overall.  And that even applies to report formatting and generation.  

It's worth having a look at SQL as a possible option.  You might be pleasantly surprised at what you find.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.

         ~Martin Luther King, Jr.

 


 

On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 11:03 AM, tim wrote:
You know its interesting just how far and how much its lost with JFW and its access with Microsoft office products have dropped.
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I honestly have no idea how to interpret this statement.

I've been around JAWS since JFW 10 (I think, it might have been 9) and I have seen nothing but an upward trend in accessibility for MS-Office programs, with the exception of MS-Access, on the whole.

I'd say, in fact, that accessibility in general, across the board, has been on nothing but an upward trend with the occasional (and really frustrating) one step back after multiple steps forward.  And most of those steps back do not seem to be the result of intent, but because of either an actual bug or because a given screen reader maker is not keeping up with changes Microsoft is making.  There are very few changes to Microsoft software that are not announced, and even development versions made available, well in advance of their actual release.  The last time I witnessed big screen reader lag was at the introduction of Windows 10 back in 2015, and almost all of it was because the screen reader software was not updated in a timely manner for something known to have been coming for some time in advance.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.

         ~Martin Luther King, Jr.

 


Gary Metzler
 

Does anyone know if there are any more parts to this series?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, August 6, 2021 7:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Resource: Youtube Video From Thee Quinn: How to Use Microsoft Access With NVDA: Part 1

 

On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 11:03 AM, tim wrote:

You know its interesting just how far and how much its lost with JFW and its access with Microsoft office products have dropped.

-
I honestly have no idea how to interpret this statement.

I've been around JAWS since JFW 10 (I think, it might have been 9) and I have seen nothing but an upward trend in accessibility for MS-Office programs, with the exception of MS-Access, on the whole.

I'd say, in fact, that accessibility in general, across the board, has been on nothing but an upward trend with the occasional (and really frustrating) one step back after multiple steps forward.  And most of those steps back do not seem to be the result of intent, but because of either an actual bug or because a given screen reader maker is not keeping up with changes Microsoft is making.  There are very few changes to Microsoft software that are not announced, and even development versions made available, well in advance of their actual release.  The last time I witnessed big screen reader lag was at the introduction of Windows 10 back in 2015, and almost all of it was because the screen reader software was not updated in a timely manner for something known to have been coming for some time in advance.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.

         ~Martin Luther King, Jr.

 


 

On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 08:36 PM, Gary Metzler wrote:
Does anyone know if there are any more parts to this series?
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Yes.  She has a channel with a many additional videos, including, but not limited to, Part 2 of this series.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGp2C2CdwO824TvdIfhqAcQ 
 
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.

         ~Martin Luther King, Jr.

 


Gary Metzler
 

Hi Brian,

 

Thanks for the link.  How would I subscribe to her channel?  Thanks again for all your help.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, August 6, 2021 10:55 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Resource: Youtube Video From Thee Quinn: How to Use Microsoft Access With NVDA: Part 1

 

On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 08:36 PM, Gary Metzler wrote:

Does anyone know if there are any more parts to this series?

-
Yes.  She has a channel with a many additional videos, including, but not limited to, Part 2 of this series.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGp2C2CdwO824TvdIfhqAcQ 
 
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.

         ~Martin Luther King, Jr.

 


 

On Sat, Aug 7, 2021 at 05:30 AM, Gary Metzler wrote:
How would I subscribe to her channel?
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By activating the subscribe button on the previously referenced channel page.
 
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.

         ~Martin Luther King, Jr.

 


Gary Metzler
 

Hi Brian,

 

Thanks, that did the trick.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, August 7, 2021 9:42 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Resource: Youtube Video From Thee Quinn: How to Use Microsoft Access With NVDA: Part 1

 

On Sat, Aug 7, 2021 at 05:30 AM, Gary Metzler wrote:

How would I subscribe to her channel?

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By activating the subscribe button on the previously referenced channel page.
 
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.

         ~Martin Luther King, Jr.