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Selecting Files


Christopher Gray
 

Hello:

 

When I use ctrl+shft+downarrow or ctrl+shft+downarrow to select one or more files, nothing is selected.  I have tried changing scroll lock, testing my keyboard under Windows 10 and other MS suggestions but to no avail.  Any thoughts here?

 

Many thanks.

 

Chris

 

 


David Goldfield
 

Chris,

I usually press control with down arrow to select files contiguously. I’m not familiar with adding the shift key to perform this task, at least if we’re talking about File Explorer.

 

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christopher Gray
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 5:45 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Selecting Files

 

Hello:

 

When I use ctrl+shft+downarrow or ctrl+shft+downarrow to select one or more files, nothing is selected.  I have tried changing scroll lock, testing my keyboard under Windows 10 and other MS suggestions but to no avail.  Any thoughts here?

 

Many thanks.

 

Chris

 

 


Sascha Cowley
 

You should not need to use Ctrl while doing this; Shift + ↓ will extend a continuous selection. Using Ctrl + Shift + ↓ seems to continue a non-continuous selection from the last selected item (IE the one nearest above where you are in the list). With that in mind, are you trying to use Ctrl+Shift+↓ in a list view where nothing is selected? If so, try pressing Space on the item you want to be the first selected item, then using Ctrl+Shift+↓.


Sascha Cowley
 

Ctrl+↓ moves the focus without affecting the highlight. Do you mean Shift+↓, or am I missing something?


Ann Byrne
 

When you use ctrl-down arrow, you press spacebar on any file you want to select. If the files are contiguous you can use shift down arrow, but not I think ctrl-shift down arrow.

At 04:49 PM 1/6/2021, you wrote:

Chris,

I usually press control with down arrow to select files contiguously. I'm not familiar with adding the shift key to perform this task, at least if we're talking about File Explorer.



David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christopher Gray
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 5:45 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Selecting Files



Hello:



When I use ctrl+shft+downarrow or ctrl+shft+downarrow to select one or more files, nothing is selected. I have tried changing scroll lock, testing my keyboard under Windows 10 and other MS suggestions but to no avail. Any thoughts here?



Many thanks.



Chris






benmoxey@...
 

Hi everyone

 

Hold the Shift and use your arrows to select files that are next to each other.

 

If you only want some of the files in a folder, hold Control and use your arrows to move to those files. Keep the Control held down and use Space to select or unselect. Only release the Control when you are done and are ready to copy, cut etc. If you release Control and press one of the arrows, you will lose the selection and will need to start over.

 

Cheers

 

Ben

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sascha Cowley via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, 7 January 2021 10:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files

 

Ctrl+↓ moves the focus without affecting the highlight. Do you mean Shift+↓, or am I missing something?


Gene
 

It’s the wrong command. In a list, when you are selecting using shift, just use shift.

Gene

----Original Message-----
From: Christopher Gray
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2021 4:44 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Selecting Files



Hello:



When I use ctrl+shft+downarrow or ctrl+shft+downarrow to select one or more files, nothing is selected. I have tried changing scroll lock, testing my keyboard under Windows 10 and other MS suggestions but to no avail. Any thoughts here?



Many thanks.



Chris


Gene
 

To select contiguous items, just use shift. To select items that are not contiguous, hold control and down arrow until you get to something you want to select, and press space while still holding shift. Continuing to hold control, down arrow and when you find another file you want to select, press space again. That is how list views work in general. If you are in a list and you have moved so something is already selected and you want to start at the top with nothing selected, move to the top of the list with the up arrow or home. You have moved to the first item in the list. It is now selected. Unselect it with control space. Then, I am assuming you don't want it selected, press control and start down arrowing as I described. If you move to the top of a list and want the first item selected, it already is. If you hold control and down arrow, it will remain selected. it will remain selected if you use shift down arrow as well.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Sascha Cowley via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2021 4:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files

You should not need to use Ctrl while doing this; Shift + ↓ will extend a continuous selection. Using Ctrl + Shift + ↓ seems to continue a non-continuous selection from the last selected item (IE the one nearest above where you are in the list). With that in mind, are you trying to use Ctrl+Shift+↓ in a list view where nothing is selected? If so, try pressing Space on the item you want to be the first selected item, then using Ctrl+Shift+↓.


hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


is the following tutorial from off my website is what he is wanting. It is for windows explorer.


Selecting and unselecting files in File Explorer
When you go into a folder in file explorer you might only want to copy certain files out of that folder. They might not be together or in a group. To copy only certain files out of the folder if there are heaps of them you will need to do the following.
It would be easier to go to the top of the folder so you can see all the files below. Now, hold down the Ctrl key, then use the Spacebar to select or unselect hightlighted files. Each time you press the Spacebar on an unselected file it will then become selected. Work your way down the files you want and select them with the Spacebar while still holding the Ctrl key. You should hear whether it is selected or unselected. As you arrow down the list of files, to confirm which ones you selected while still holding down the Ctrl key, go to the top of the folder then arrow down the list. If it only says the name of the song it is selected but if it says the name of the song and unselected then you know it is not. Usually the status bar can be read with the NVDA key + End key but not at present.

You can grab an NVDA add-on to tell you how many files have been selected until Windows fixes this problem. You will need to use the NVDA key and the End key to see how many file were selected. Please visit the following link https://www.dropbox.com/s/a935bus11i8y8k0/ZExplorer_1.0_Gen.nvda-addon?dl=0


Gene nz


On 7/01/2021 11:58 am, Sascha Cowley via groups.io wrote:
You should not need to use Ctrl while doing this; Shift + ↓ will extend a continuous selection. Using Ctrl + Shift + ↓ seems to continue a non-continuous selection from the last selected item (IE the one nearest above where you are in the list). With that in mind, are you trying to use Ctrl+Shift+↓ in a list view where nothing is selected? If so, try pressing Space on the item you want to be the first selected item, then using Ctrl+Shift+↓.


Gene
 

The tutorial omits something important. If you move to the top of the list, the item you have moved to is selected. If you hold control and you don't want it selected, you should press space on that item

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2021 5:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files



Hi




is the following tutorial from off my website is what he is wanting. It is for windows explorer.




Selecting and unselecting files in File Explorer
When you go into a folder in file explorer you might only want to copy certain files out of that folder. They might not be together or in a group. To copy only certain files out of the folder if there are heaps of them you will need to do the following.
It would be easier to go to the top of the folder so you can see all the files below. Now, hold down the Ctrl key, then use the Spacebar to select or unselect hightlighted files. Each time you press the Spacebar on an unselected file it will then become selected. Work your way down the files you want and select them with the Spacebar while still holding the Ctrl key. You should hear whether it is selected or unselected. As you arrow down the list of files, to confirm which ones you selected while still holding down the Ctrl key, go to the top of the folder then arrow down the list. If it only says the name of the song it is selected but if it says the name of the song and unselected then you know it is not. Usually the status bar can be read with the NVDA key + End key but not at present.

You can grab an NVDA add-on to tell you how many files have been selected until Windows fixes this problem. You will need to use the NVDA key and the End key to see how many file were selected. Please visit the following link https://www.dropbox.com/s/a935bus11i8y8k0/ZExplorer_1.0_Gen.nvda-addon?dl=0





Gene nz




On 7/01/2021 11:58 am, Sascha Cowley via groups.io wrote:
You should not need to use Ctrl while doing this; Shift + ↓ will extend a continuous selection. Using Ctrl + Shift + ↓ seems to continue a non-continuous selection from the last selected item (IE the one nearest above where you are in the list). With that in mind, are you trying to use Ctrl+Shift+↓ in a list view where nothing is selected? If so, try pressing Space on the item you want to be the first selected item, then using Ctrl+Shift+↓.


Joshua Hendrickson
 

I have always selected files using control space bar. I have never
used shift down arrow or anything like that. Also, if you are in a
folder and you want to select all the files in that folder, just hit
control a and then everything in that folder is selected.

On 1/6/21, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
The tutorial omits something important. If you move to the top of the list,

the item you have moved to is selected. If you hold control and you don't
want it selected, you should press space on that item

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2021 5:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files



Hi




is the following tutorial from off my website is what he is wanting. It is
for windows explorer.




Selecting and unselecting files in File Explorer
When you go into a folder in file explorer you might only want to copy
certain files out of that folder. They might not be together or in a group.

To copy only certain files out of the folder if there are heaps of them you

will need to do the following.
It would be easier to go to the top of the folder so you can see all the
files below. Now, hold down the Ctrl key, then use the Spacebar to select or

unselect hightlighted files. Each time you press the Spacebar on an
unselected file it will then become selected. Work your way down the files
you want and select them with the Spacebar while still holding the Ctrl key.

You should hear whether it is selected or unselected. As you arrow down the

list of files, to confirm which ones you selected while still holding down
the Ctrl key, go to the top of the folder then arrow down the list. If it
only says the name of the song it is selected but if it says the name of the

song and unselected then you know it is not. Usually the status bar can be
read with the NVDA key + End key but not at present.

You can grab an NVDA add-on to tell you how many files have been selected
until Windows fixes this problem. You will need to use the NVDA key and the

End key to see how many file were selected. Please visit the following link

https://www.dropbox.com/s/a935bus11i8y8k0/ZExplorer_1.0_Gen.nvda-addon?dl=0





Gene nz




On 7/01/2021 11:58 am, Sascha Cowley via groups.io wrote:
You should not need to use Ctrl while doing this; Shift + ↓ will extend a
continuous selection. Using Ctrl + Shift + ↓ seems to continue a
non-continuous selection from the last selected item (IE the one nearest
above where you are in the list). With that in mind, are you trying to use
Ctrl+Shift+↓ in a list view where nothing is selected? If so, try pressing
Space on the item you want to be the first selected item, then using
Ctrl+Shift+↓.







--
Joshua Hendrickson

Joshua Hendrickson


hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi Gene


I just done it to 2 different folders that I went into.


So when I go in see all the files then use ctrl key + home key none is selected unless I want it selected. This is on windows 10. I am guessing also the same result will be for all folders with files.


Gene nz

On 7/01/2021 1:00 pm, Gene wrote:
The tutorial omits something important.  If you move to the top of the list, the item you have moved to is selected.  If you hold control and you don't want it selected, you should press space on that item

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2021 5:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files



Hi




is the following tutorial from off my website is what he is wanting. It is for windows explorer.




Selecting and unselecting files in File Explorer
When you go into a folder in file explorer you might only want to copy certain files out of that folder. They might not be together or in a group. To copy only certain files out of the folder if there are heaps of them you will need to do the following.
It would be easier to go to the top of the folder so you can see all the files below. Now, hold down the Ctrl key, then use the Spacebar to select or unselect hightlighted files. Each time you press the Spacebar on an unselected file it will then become selected. Work your way down the files you want and select them with the Spacebar while still holding the Ctrl key. You should hear whether it is selected or unselected. As you arrow down the list of files, to confirm which ones you selected while still holding down the Ctrl key, go to the top of the folder then arrow down the list. If it only says the name of the song it is selected but if it says the name of the song and unselected then you know it is not. Usually the status bar can be read with the NVDA key + End key but not at present.

You can grab an NVDA add-on to tell you how many files have been selected until Windows fixes this problem. You will need to use the NVDA key and the End key to see how many file were selected. Please visit the following link https://www.dropbox.com/s/a935bus11i8y8k0/ZExplorer_1.0_Gen.nvda-addon?dl=0





Gene nz




On 7/01/2021 11:58 am, Sascha Cowley via groups.io wrote:
You should not need to use Ctrl while doing this; Shift + ↓ will extend a continuous selection. Using Ctrl + Shift + ↓ seems to continue a non-continuous selection from the last selected item (IE the one nearest above where you are in the list). With that in mind, are you trying to use Ctrl+Shift+↓ in a list view where nothing is selected? If so, try pressing Space on the item you want to be the first selected item, then using Ctrl+Shift+↓.






Gene
 

Not control key home. If you move in a folder using control, however you move, nothing is selected or unselected. I'm saying that if you are in a folder, move around in it using the arrow keys, home or end, the file you move to will be selected. If you just open a folder, nothing is selected. You opened a folder, pressed control and moved. Nothing was selected and nothing became selected.
My point is that people need to know that if they have moved in a folder something will be selected and it may not be one of the things they want selected. To make this simple, if you are in a folder that you have moved around in and you want to make sure nothing is selected, press home, then hold control and press the space bar. Now, nothing is selected.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2021 7:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files

Hi Gene


I just done it to 2 different folders that I went into.


So when I go in see all the files then use ctrl key + home key none is
selected unless I want it selected. This is on windows 10. I am guessing
also the same result will be for all folders with files.


Gene nz


On 7/01/2021 1:00 pm, Gene wrote:
The tutorial omits something important. If you move to the top of the list, the item you have moved to is selected. If you hold control and you don't want it selected, you should press space on that item

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2021 5:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files



Hi




is the following tutorial from off my website is what he is wanting. It is for windows explorer.




Selecting and unselecting files in File Explorer
When you go into a folder in file explorer you might only want to copy certain files out of that folder. They might not be together or in a group. To copy only certain files out of the folder if there are heaps of them you will need to do the following.
It would be easier to go to the top of the folder so you can see all the files below. Now, hold down the Ctrl key, then use the Spacebar to select or unselect hightlighted files. Each time you press the Spacebar on an unselected file it will then become selected. Work your way down the files you want and select them with the Spacebar while still holding the Ctrl key. You should hear whether it is selected or unselected. As you arrow down the list of files, to confirm which ones you selected while still holding down the Ctrl key, go to the top of the folder then arrow down the list. If it only says the name of the song it is selected but if it says the name of the song and unselected then you know it is not. Usually the status bar can be read with the NVDA key + End key but not at present.

You can grab an NVDA add-on to tell you how many files have been selected until Windows fixes this problem. You will need to use the NVDA key and the End key to see how many file were selected. Please visit the following link https://www.dropbox.com/s/a935bus11i8y8k0/ZExplorer_1.0_Gen.nvda-addon?dl=0





Gene nz




On 7/01/2021 11:58 am, Sascha Cowley via groups.io wrote:
You should not need to use Ctrl while doing this; Shift + ↓ will extend a continuous selection. Using Ctrl + Shift + ↓ seems to continue a non-continuous selection from the last selected item (IE the one nearest above where you are in the list). With that in mind, are you trying to use Ctrl+Shift+↓ in a list view where nothing is selected? If so, try pressing Space on the item you want to be the first selected item, then using Ctrl+Shift+↓.







Chris Mullins
 

Hi

It’s not the wrong command, you just need to understand how it works.  Control+shift+Down Arrow checks the selection status of the file in focus and applies the same selection status to files traversed by subsequent presses of the command.  When you first enter File Explorer, focus is on the top file of the list but the file is not selected, so subsequent presses of Control+Shift+Down Arrow did not select any files.  Had Control+Spacebar been pressed first to select the top file, subsequent files traversed would also have been selected.  This functionality makes it a more ergonomic command to use than the Control+DownArrow and Control+Spacebar to select command combination in situations where you are mostly selecting non-contiguous blocks of files.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

 

From: Gene
Sent: 06 January 2021 23:35
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files

 

It’s the wrong command.  In a list, when you are selecting using shift, just

use shift.

 

Gene

----Original Message-----

From: Christopher Gray

Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2021 4:44 PM

To: nvda@groups.io

Subject: [nvda] Selecting Files

 

 

 

Hello:

 

 

 

When I use ctrl+shft+downarrow or ctrl+shft+downarrow to select one or more

files, nothing is selected.  I have tried changing scroll lock, testing my

keyboard under Windows 10 and other MS suggestions but to no avail.  Any

thoughts here?

 

 

 

Many thanks.

 

 

 

Chris

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Gene
 

Control shift down arrow is never used in moving through lists. it is the wrong command to use for the purpose originally asked about and it is never used in moving in a list in general.
When I use it with NVDA, I can move down the list but the selected or not selected status of an item is not spoken and nothing is either selected or unselected.

Control down arrow will tell you the status of items as you move. If an item is selected, selected is not spoken. If an item isn't selected, unselected is spoken. At least that is the case with NVDA. These movement commands are Windows commands, not screen-reader commands. Windows has no purpose or function for control shift when moving through a list.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Mullins
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2021 10:40 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files



Hi

It’s not the wrong command, you just need to understand how it works. Control+shift+Down Arrow checks the selection status of the file in focus and applies the same selection status to files traversed by subsequent presses of the command. When you first enter File Explorer, focus is on the top file of the list but the file is not selected, so subsequent presses of Control+Shift+Down Arrow did not select any files. Had Control+Spacebar been pressed first to select the top file, subsequent files traversed would also have been selected. This functionality makes it a more ergonomic command to use than the Control+DownArrow and Control+Spacebar to select command combination in situations where you are mostly selecting non-contiguous blocks of files.



Cheers

Chris







From: Gene
Sent: 06 January 2021 23:35
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files





It’s the wrong command. In a list, when you are selecting using shift, just

use shift.



Gene

----Original Message-----

From: Christopher Gray

Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2021 4:44 PM

To: nvda@groups.io

Subject: [nvda] Selecting Files







Hello:







When I use ctrl+shft+downarrow or ctrl+shft+downarrow to select one or more

files, nothing is selected. I have tried changing scroll lock, testing my

keyboard under Windows 10 and other MS suggestions but to no avail. Any

thoughts here?







Many thanks.







Chris


Chris Mullins
 

Hi Gene

Well I’m using Windows 10 with NVDA 2020.3 and it clearly announces “not selected” after each file name as I use Control+Shift+DownArrow to move through the list of files immediately after opening File Explorer.  Similarly, if I select the first file then use Control+Shift+DownArrow, subsequent files are selected.

 

Had Chris known how the command works, he could have achieved what he wanted to do, so to say it’s the “wrong command” is unreasonable, particularly as you should know by now that in Windows, there are many ways to achieve the same thing.  I was giving added value to the subject of file selection as yourself and others have done, just think of it as another tool in the box.

 

Cheers

Chris     

 

From: Gene
Sent: 07 January 2021 16:58
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files

 

Control shift down arrow is never used in moving through lists.  it is the

wrong command to use for the purpose originally asked about and it is never

used in moving in a list in general.

When I use it with NVDA, I can move down the list but the selected or not

selected status of an item is not spoken and nothing is either selected or

unselected.

 

Control down arrow will tell you the status of items as you move.  If an

item is selected, selected is not spoken.  If an item isn't selected,

unselected is spoken.  At least that is the case with NVDA.  These movement

commands are Windows commands, not screen-reader commands.  Windows has no

purpose or function for control shift when moving through a list.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Chris Mullins

Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2021 10:40 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files

 

 

 

Hi

 

It’s not the wrong command, you just need to understand how it works.

Control+shift+Down Arrow checks the selection status of the file in focus

and applies the same selection status to files traversed by subsequent

presses of the command.  When you first enter File Explorer, focus is on the

top file of the list but the file is not selected, so subsequent presses of

Control+Shift+Down Arrow did not select any files.  Had Control+Spacebar

been pressed first to select the top file, subsequent files traversed would

also have been selected.  This functionality makes it a more ergonomic

command to use than the Control+DownArrow and Control+Spacebar to select

command combination in situations where you are mostly selecting

non-contiguous blocks of files.

 

 

 

Cheers

 

Chris

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: Gene

Sent: 06 January 2021 23:35

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files

 

 

 

 

 

It’s the wrong command.  In a list, when you are selecting using shift, just

 

use shift.

 

 

 

Gene

 

----Original Message-----

 

From: Christopher Gray

 

Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2021 4:44 PM

 

To: nvda@groups.io

 

Subject: [nvda] Selecting Files

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hello:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

When I use ctrl+shft+downarrow or ctrl+shft+downarrow to select one or more

 

files, nothing is selected.  I have tried changing scroll lock, testing my

 

keyboard under Windows 10 and other MS suggestions but to no avail.  Any

 

thoughts here?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Many thanks.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Chris

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Gene
 

I don't know what accounts for the behavior you are describing. Is it possible that this changed in Windows 10? Possible, but its hard to believe that these commands would have changed going back as far as Windows 95 and probably farther.

If others verify the change, then it will appear that a change was made in Windows 10. Perhaps others will discuss the question.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Mullins
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2021 3:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files



Hi Gene

Well I’m using Windows 10 with NVDA 2020.3 and it clearly announces “not selected” after each file name as I use Control+Shift+DownArrow to move through the list of files immediately after opening File Explorer. Similarly, if I select the first file then use Control+Shift+DownArrow, subsequent files are selected.



Had Chris known how the command works, he could have achieved what he wanted to do, so to say it’s the “wrong command” is unreasonable, particularly as you should know by now that in Windows, there are many ways to achieve the same thing. I was giving added value to the subject of file selection as yourself and others have done, just think of it as another tool in the box.



Cheers

Chris





From: Gene
Sent: 07 January 2021 16:58
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files





Control shift down arrow is never used in moving through lists. it is the

wrong command to use for the purpose originally asked about and it is never

used in moving in a list in general.

When I use it with NVDA, I can move down the list but the selected or not

selected status of an item is not spoken and nothing is either selected or

unselected.



Control down arrow will tell you the status of items as you move. If an

item is selected, selected is not spoken. If an item isn't selected,

unselected is spoken. At least that is the case with NVDA. These movement

commands are Windows commands, not screen-reader commands. Windows has no

purpose or function for control shift when moving through a list.



Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Chris Mullins

Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2021 10:40 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files







Hi



It’s not the wrong command, you just need to understand how it works.

Control+shift+Down Arrow checks the selection status of the file in focus

and applies the same selection status to files traversed by subsequent

presses of the command. When you first enter File Explorer, focus is on the

top file of the list but the file is not selected, so subsequent presses of

Control+Shift+Down Arrow did not select any files. Had Control+Spacebar

been pressed first to select the top file, subsequent files traversed would

also have been selected. This functionality makes it a more ergonomic

command to use than the Control+DownArrow and Control+Spacebar to select

command combination in situations where you are mostly selecting

non-contiguous blocks of files.







Cheers



Chris















From: Gene

Sent: 06 January 2021 23:35

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files











It’s the wrong command. In a list, when you are selecting using shift, just



use shift.







Gene



----Original Message-----



From: Christopher Gray



Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2021 4:44 PM



To: nvda@groups.io



Subject: [nvda] Selecting Files















Hello:















When I use ctrl+shft+downarrow or ctrl+shft+downarrow to select one or more



files, nothing is selected. I have tried changing scroll lock, testing my



keyboard under Windows 10 and other MS suggestions but to no avail. Any



thoughts here?















Many thanks.















Chris


Sascha Cowley
 

Can confirm this is what happens on Windows 10 for me too.

On 2021-01-08 10:29, Gene wrote:
I don't know what accounts for the behavior you are describing.  Is it possible that this changed in Windows 10?  Possible, but its hard to believe that these commands would have changed going back as far as Windows 95 and probably farther.

If others verify the change, then it will appear that a change was made in Windows 10.  Perhaps others will discuss the question.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Chris Mullins
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2021 3:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files



Hi Gene

Well I’m using Windows 10 with NVDA 2020.3 and it clearly announces “not selected” after each file name as I use Control+Shift+DownArrow to move through the list of files immediately after opening File Explorer. Similarly, if I select the first file then use Control+Shift+DownArrow, subsequent files are selected.



Had Chris known how the command works, he could have achieved what he wanted to do, so to say it’s the “wrong command” is unreasonable, particularly as you should know by now that in Windows, there are many ways to achieve the same thing.  I was giving added value to the subject of file selection as yourself and others have done, just think of it as another tool in the box.



Cheers

Chris





From: Gene
Sent: 07 January 2021 16:58
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files





Control shift down arrow is never used in moving through lists. it is the

wrong command to use for the purpose originally asked about and it is never

used in moving in a list in general.

When I use it with NVDA, I can move down the list but the selected or not

selected status of an item is not spoken and nothing is either selected or

unselected.



Control down arrow will tell you the status of items as you move. If an

item is selected, selected is not spoken.  If an item isn't selected,

unselected is spoken.  At least that is the case with NVDA.  These movement

commands are Windows commands, not screen-reader commands. Windows has no

purpose or function for control shift when moving through a list.



Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Mullins

Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2021 10:40 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files







Hi



It’s not the wrong command, you just need to understand how it works.

Control+shift+Down Arrow checks the selection status of the file in focus

and applies the same selection status to files traversed by subsequent

presses of the command.  When you first enter File Explorer, focus is on the

top file of the list but the file is not selected, so subsequent presses of

Control+Shift+Down Arrow did not select any files.  Had Control+Spacebar

been pressed first to select the top file, subsequent files traversed would

also have been selected.  This functionality makes it a more ergonomic

command to use than the Control+DownArrow and Control+Spacebar to select

command combination in situations where you are mostly selecting

non-contiguous blocks of files.







Cheers



Chris















From: Gene

Sent: 06 January 2021 23:35

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files











It’s the wrong command.  In a list, when you are selecting using shift, just



use shift.







Gene



----Original Message-----


From: Christopher Gray



Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2021 4:44 PM



To: nvda@groups.io



Subject: [nvda] Selecting Files















Hello:















When I use ctrl+shft+downarrow or ctrl+shft+downarrow to select one or more



files, nothing is selected.  I have tried changing scroll lock, testing my



keyboard under Windows 10 and other MS suggestions but to no avail.  Any



thoughts here?















Many thanks.















Chris