Several windows 10 users have got..


Chris Mullins
 

Windows+i is the W10 shortcut key to open the Settings dialog but if it is not working for you, try Windows+x then arrow down to settings and press enter or just press the letter n as this is the accelerator key within that context menu for Settings.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Gamages
Sent: 23 July 2017 18:57
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Several windows 10 users have got..

 

Hello,

 

sorry, windows plus I does nothing.

 

Best Regards, Jim.

 

From: Joseph Lee

Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 6:21 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Several windows 10 users have got..

 

Hi,

Ah, that…

The fastest way to get there, besides searching for it is pressing Windows+I, press TAB to go to categories, then press right arrow until you arrive at Privacy. Press ENTER, and press TAB to go to subcategories. For each category, press ENTER and press TAB to go through settings.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Gamages
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 4:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Several windows 10 users have got..

 

Hello Joseph,

 

O K, I will take the hit here,there must be others who, like me, have tried to get into the privacy settings without success, I typed “privacy settings” into the search box after pressing the windows key, pressing enter on any item does nothing, pressing tab takes me through a lot of other stuff and, to cut a long story short, I can make no sense of it. We are urged to look at all this, but, as in many cases, it is assumed that we have unlimited knowledge of these things.

Am I the only thick one on this list? or would some explanation of how to look at the privacy settings be useful to others, thank you for some simple advice.

 

I do appreciate everything  that yourself and the other developers do for NVDA, but sometimes it gets a bit too technical for me.

Stay well.

 

 

 

Best Regards, Jim.

 

From: Joseph Lee

Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 10:02 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Several windows 10 users have got..

 

Hi,

The ultimate idea behind Windows as a Service (WaaS) is to get everyone on the same page, same ecosystem, same principles, and same attitudes:

  • Same page: same or similar compatibility (note that the words “same” and “similar” are two completely different words).
  • Same ecosystem: to reduce fragmentation.
  • Same principles: updates, deployment and what not.
  • Same attitudes: update checks, testing new things as soon as possible and what not.

 

It’s been rough in the start, but as Windows 10 is turning two years old next week, the transition is going well (not smooth, but people are starting to realize implications of this new model). For instance, in the early days, some programs (including one or two antivirus programs) didn’t work well with Windows 10 and WaaS in general; that is changing slowly. When it comes to screen readers, it produced mixed results.

 

Regarding privacy settings: I may need to write this to the Win10 forum later (I cannot talk about this with authority here, as I want to tone down a lot on this forum), but I think it’d be a good idea to review privacy settings before and after new Windows 10 feature updates, as well as meet changes introduced in Settings and other apps.

 

A bit tangent: regarding NVDA’s commitment to Windows 10 and older Windows releases: as long as there is a need to provide accessibility workarounds and until the day third-party (not Microsoft) UWP developers embrace accessibility, I will work on Windows 10 App Essentials. I did put Microsoft in parentheses as Redmond is actively evangelizing accessibility principles, and I have advised them several times to persuade third-party devs to follow their examples. Also, older versions of Windows will be supported as long as possible, although as I said earlier, NVDA developers cannot support old releases forever.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Gamages
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 12:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Several windows 10 users have got..

 

Hello,

 

I bow to your greater experience, but , if we are not capable of choossing relevant updates, how can we be sure that our privacy settings are as they should be.

What about anti virus? I have Eset smart security and have just written to them for their comments, they do turn off some windows stuff  and usually give a message to say that Windows updates are available and should be installed, I’m sure Eset are on top of all this and I will await their reply with interest, if it’s relevant I will pass on anything they say.

 

Best Regards, Jim.

 

Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 5:09 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Several windows 10 users have got..

 

On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 08:42 am, Brian's Mail list account wrote:

Yes but why is it asking this question. From memory all you usually get is that a new version of it is available with extra features, do you want to now or later etc.

Because people legitimately complained about prior major updates to Windows 10 resetting Privacy (or other) settings as part of the update without any notification whatsoever.  This update also contains several new settings that were not there before, and Microsoft wants you to choose how you'd like those settings to be set so that this can be applied at the end of the update.

I tell everyone that when any of the Version updates takes place to Windows 10 you should always take a few minutes afterward, and that's all it requires, to cruise through every pane in the Privacy settings to ensure that things are set as you'd like them to be.  It also helps you to become more familiar with what you can control and where you need to go to tweak it as far as privacy goes.

And, as Gene has already noted, Windows 10 marked the introduction of Windows as a Service.  You cannot decline updates and if you use any method to rig it such that you don't get them you won't be getting security updates which are absolutely essential unless you're willing to keep reviewing the update catalog and manually downloading and applying same.  I'd rather not have to do that and my own professional experience informs my opinion that Microsoft, or any operating system creator and maintainer, knows a lot better than I do about what needs to be updated with their operating systems  Nobody has put it better than one of the BSOD experts on BleepingComputer.com with regard to Windows Updates, regardless of the version of Windows under discussion:

There really isn't a point to checking for updates and not installing them. . .  It's important to install all available updates. I've been doing this since the days of DOS, and I still don't have the confidence to pick and choose among updates.  There are just too many variables involved - and most people can't evaluate the full consequences of installing/not installing updates.

        ~ John Carrona, AKA usasma on BleepingComputer.com, http://www.carrona.org/
 
--
Brian  - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063  (dot level on request - it changes too often to keep in signature)

     The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.  But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.

            ~ Niels Bohr

 

 


 

Hmmm my answers to this are in the comments.

Same page.

Well yes, we hope, as long as things are compatible.

Same ecosystem, I can agree with that its all the same.

Same attitudes.

Excluding the fact edge and some of the universals have a lot that needs work, excluding the cost of jaws, the constant need to spend thousands of dollars on access tech to try to make it run right, excluding that a lot of stuff equally works or doesn't work for us as the case may be, they are on the right track.

Assuming you use classic shell and other hacks to make windows work.

On 23/07/2017 9:02 p.m., Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,

The ultimate idea behind Windows as a Service (WaaS) is to get everyone on the same page, same ecosystem, same principles, and same attitudes:

* Same page: same or similar compatibility (note that the words “same” and “similar” are two completely different words).
* Same ecosystem: to reduce fragmentation.
* Same principles: updates, deployment and what not.
* Same attitudes: update checks, testing new things as soon as possible and what not.


It’s been rough in the start, but as Windows 10 is turning two years old next week, the transition is going well (not smooth, but people are starting to realize implications of this new model). For instance, in the early days, some programs (including one or two antivirus programs) didn’t work well with Windows 10 and WaaS in general; that is changing slowly. When it comes to screen readers, it produced mixed results.


Regarding privacy settings: I may need to write this to the Win10 forum later (I cannot talk about this with authority here, as I want to tone down a lot on this forum), but I think it’d be a good idea to review privacy settings before and after new Windows 10 feature updates, as well as meet changes introduced in Settings and other apps.


A bit tangent: regarding NVDA’s commitment to Windows 10 and older Windows releases: as long as there is a need to provide accessibility workarounds and until the day third-party (not Microsoft) UWP developers embrace accessibility, I will work on Windows 10 App Essentials. I did put Microsoft in parentheses as Redmond is actively evangelizing accessibility principles, and I have advised them several times to persuade third-party devs to follow their examples. Also, older versions of Windows will be supported as long as possible, although as I said earlier, NVDA developers cannot support old releases forever.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Gamages
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 12:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Several windows 10 users have got..


Hello,


I bow to your greater experience, but , if we are not capable of choossing relevant updates, how can we be sure that our privacy settings are as they should be.

What about anti virus? I have Eset smart security and have just written to them for their comments, they do turn off some windows stuff and usually give a message to say that Windows updates are available and should be installed, I’m sure Eset are on top of all this and I will await their reply with interest, if it’s relevant I will pass on anything they say.


Best Regards, Jim.


From: Brian Vogel <mailto:britechguy@gmail.com>

Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 5:09 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] Several windows 10 users have got..


On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 08:42 am, Brian's Mail list account wrote:

Yes but why is it asking this question. From memory all you usually get is that a new version of it is available with extra features, do you want to now or later etc.

Because people legitimately complained about prior major updates to Windows 10 resetting Privacy (or other) settings as part of the update without any notification whatsoever. This update also contains several new settings that were not there before, and Microsoft wants you to choose how you'd like those settings to be set so that this can be applied at the end of the update.

I tell everyone that when any of the Version updates takes place to Windows 10 you should always take a few minutes afterward, and that's all it requires, to cruise through every pane in the Privacy settings to ensure that things are set as you'd like them to be. It also helps you to become more familiar with what you can control and where you need to go to tweak it as far as privacy goes.

And, as Gene has already noted, Windows 10 marked the introduction of Windows as a Service. You cannot decline updates and if you use any method to rig it such that you don't get them you won't be getting security updates which are absolutely essential unless you're willing to keep reviewing the update catalog and manually downloading and applying same. I'd rather not have to do that and my own professional experience informs my opinion that Microsoft, or any operating system creator and maintainer, knows a lot better than I do about what needs to be updated with their operating systems. Nobody has put it better than one of the BSOD experts on BleepingComputer.com with regard to Windows Updates, regardless of the version of Windows under discussion:

There really isn't a point to checking for updates and not installing them. . . It's important to install all available updates. I've been doing this since the days of DOS, and I still don't have the confidence to pick and choose among updates. There are just too many variables involved - and most people can't evaluate the full consequences of installing/not installing updates.

~ John Carrona, AKA <https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/u/35824/usasma/> usasma on BleepingComputer.com, <http://www.carrona.org/> http://www.carrona.org/


The Gamages
 

Hello,
No re starting doesn’t do anything, maybe another update problem? [smile].
I have got to the settings with windows X etc as suggested by another list member, it is the same place I got to with the search.
I haven’t changed anything here, it’s dificult to see what changing anything will do overall, so best to play safe and leave it alone.
Which brings me back to my original point, if we can’t choose what updates we want, how can we change settings  without incurring unforseen results?
Thanks everyone who has had patience with me on this issue, I will now desist and get on with my life.
 
Best Regards, Jim.
 

From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 7:10 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Several windows 10 users have got..
 

Hi,

Does a computer restart help?

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Gamages
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 10:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Several windows 10 users have got..

 

Hello,

 

sorry, windows plus I does nothing.

 

Best Regards, Jim.

 

From: Joseph Lee

Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 6:21 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Several windows 10 users have got.

 

Hi,

Ah, that…

The fastest way to get there, besides searching for it is pressing Windows+I, press TAB to go to categories, then press right arrow until you arrive at Privacy. Press ENTER, and press TAB to go to subcategories. For each category, press ENTER and press TAB to go through settings.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Gamages
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 4:57 AM
To: mailto:nvda@...
Subject: Re: [nvda] Several windows 10 users have got..

 

Hello Joseph,

 

O K, I will take the hit here,there must be others who, like me, have tried to get into the privacy settings without success, I typed “privacy settings” into the search box after pressing the windows key, pressing enter on any item does nothing, pressing tab takes me through a lot of other stuff and, to cut a long story short, I can make no sense of it. We are urged to look at all this, but, as in many cases, it is assumed that we have unlimited knowledge of these things.

Am I the only thick one on this list? or would some explanation of how to look at the privacy settings be useful to others, thank you for some simple advice.

 

I do appreciate everything  that yourself and the other developers do for NVDA, but sometimes it gets a bit too technical for me.

Stay well.

 

 

 

Best Regards, Jim.

 

From: Joseph Lee

Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 10:02 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Several windows 10 users have got..

 

Hi,

The ultimate idea behind Windows as a Service (WaaS) is to get everyone on the same page, same ecosystem, same principles, and same attitudes:

  • Same page: same or similar compatibility (note that the words “same” and “similar” are two completely different words).
  • Same ecosystem: to reduce fragmentation.
  • Same principles: updates, deployment and what not.
  • Same attitudes: update checks, testing new things as soon as possible and what not.

 

It’s been rough in the start, but as Windows 10 is turning two years old next week, the transition is going well (not smooth, but people are starting to realize implications of this new model). For instance, in the early days, some programs (including one or two antivirus programs) didn’t work well with Windows 10 and WaaS in general; that is changing slowly. When it comes to screen readers, it produced mixed results.

 

Regarding privacy settings: I may need to write this to the Win10 forum later (I cannot talk about this with authority here, as I want to tone down a lot on this forum), but I think it’d be a good idea to review privacy settings before and after new Windows 10 feature updates, as well as meet changes introduced in Settings and other apps.

 

A bit tangent: regarding NVDA’s commitment to Windows 10 and older Windows releases: as long as there is a need to provide accessibility workarounds and until the day third-party (not Microsoft) UWP developers embrace accessibility, I will work on Windows 10 App Essentials. I did put Microsoft in parentheses as Redmond is actively evangelizing accessibility principles, and I have advised them several times to persuade third-party devs to follow their examples. Also, older versions of Windows will be supported as long as possible, although as I said earlier, NVDA developers cannot support old releases forever.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Gamages
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 12:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Several windows 10 users have got..

 

Hello,

 

I bow to your greater experience, but , if we are not capable of choossing relevant updates, how can we be sure that our privacy settings are as they should be.

What about anti virus? I have Eset smart security and have just written to them for their comments, they do turn off some windows stuff  and usually give a message to say that Windows updates are available and should be installed, I’m sure Eset are on top of all this and I will await their reply with interest, if it’s relevant I will pass on anything they say.

 

Best Regards, Jim.

 

From: Brian Vogel

Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 5:09 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Several windows 10 users have got..

 

On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 08:42 am, Brian's Mail list account wrote:

Yes but why is it asking this question. From memory all you usually get is that a new version of it is available with extra features, do you want to now or later etc.

Because people legitimately complained about prior major updates to Windows 10 resetting Privacy (or other) settings as part of the update without any notification whatsoever.  This update also contains several new settings that were not there before, and Microsoft wants you to choose how you'd like those settings to be set so that this can be applied at the end of the update.

I tell everyone that when any of the Version updates takes place to Windows 10 you should always take a few minutes afterward, and that's all it requires, to cruise through every pane in the Privacy settings to ensure that things are set as you'd like them to be.  It also helps you to become more familiar with what you can control and where you need to go to tweak it as far as privacy goes.

And, as Gene has already noted, Windows 10 marked the introduction of Windows as a Service.  You cannot decline updates and if you use any method to rig it such that you don't get them you won't be getting security updates which are absolutely essential unless you're willing to keep reviewing the update catalog and manually downloading and applying same.  I'd rather not have to do that and my own professional experience informs my opinion that Microsoft, or any operating system creator and maintainer, knows a lot better than I do about what needs to be updated with their operating systems  Nobody has put it better than one of the BSOD experts on BleepingComputer.com with regard to Windows Updates, regardless of the version of Windows under discussion:

There really isn't a point to checking for updates and not installing them. . .  It's important to install all available updates. I've been doing this since the days of DOS, and I still don't have the confidence to pick and choose among updates.  There are just too many variables involved - and most people can't evaluate the full consequences of installing/not installing updates.

        ~ John Carrona, AKA usasma on BleepingComputer.com, http://www.carrona.org/
 
--
Brian  - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063  (dot level on request - it changes too often to keep in signature)

     The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.  But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.

            ~ Niels Bohr

 

 


Chris Mullins
 

So when you got the Settings page loaded, did you tab out of the search box down to the list of categories, arrow to and activate the one entitled ‘Privacy’ and explore the list of 18 configurable privacy related items?

 

Cheers

Chris     

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Gamages
Sent: 24 July 2017 09:42
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Several windows 10 users have got..

 

Hello,

No re starting doesn’t do anything, maybe another update problem? [smile].

I have got to the settings with windows X etc as suggested by another list member, it is the same place I got to with the search.

I haven’t changed anything here, it’s dificult to see what changing anything will do overall, so best to play safe and leave it alone.

Which brings me back to my original point, if we can’t choose what updates we want, how can we change settings  without incurring unforseen results?

Thanks everyone who has had patience with me on this issue, I will now desist and get on with my life.

 

Best Regards, Jim.

 

From: Joseph Lee

Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 7:10 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Several windows 10 users have got..

 

Hi,

Does a computer restart help?

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Gamages
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 10:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Several windows 10 users have got..

 

Hello,

 

sorry, windows plus I does nothing.

 

Best Regards, Jim.

 

From: Joseph Lee

Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 6:21 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Several windows 10 users have got.

 

Hi,

Ah, that…

The fastest way to get there, besides searching for it is pressing Windows+I, press TAB to go to categories, then press right arrow until you arrive at Privacy. Press ENTER, and press TAB to go to subcategories. For each category, press ENTER and press TAB to go through settings.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Gamages
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 4:57 AM
To: mailto:nvda@...
Subject: Re: [nvda] Several windows 10 users have got..

 

Hello Joseph,

 

O K, I will take the hit here,there must be others who, like me, have tried to get into the privacy settings without success, I typed “privacy settings” into the search box after pressing the windows key, pressing enter on any item does nothing, pressing tab takes me through a lot of other stuff and, to cut a long story short, I can make no sense of it. We are urged to look at all this, but, as in many cases, it is assumed that we have unlimited knowledge of these things.

Am I the only thick one on this list? or would some explanation of how to look at the privacy settings be useful to others, thank you for some simple advice.

 

I do appreciate everything  that yourself and the other developers do for NVDA, but sometimes it gets a bit too technical for me.

Stay well.

 

 

 

Best Regards, Jim.

 

From: Joseph Lee

Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 10:02 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Several windows 10 users have got..

 

Hi,

The ultimate idea behind Windows as a Service (WaaS) is to get everyone on the same page, same ecosystem, same principles, and same attitudes:

  • Same page: same or similar compatibility (note that the words “same” and “similar” are two completely different words).
  • Same ecosystem: to reduce fragmentation.
  • Same principles: updates, deployment and what not.
  • Same attitudes: update checks, testing new things as soon as possible and what not.

 

It’s been rough in the start, but as Windows 10 is turning two years old next week, the transition is going well (not smooth, but people are starting to realize implications of this new model). For instance, in the early days, some programs (including one or two antivirus programs) didn’t work well with Windows 10 and WaaS in general; that is changing slowly. When it comes to screen readers, it produced mixed results.

 

Regarding privacy settings: I may need to write this to the Win10 forum later (I cannot talk about this with authority here, as I want to tone down a lot on this forum), but I think it’d be a good idea to review privacy settings before and after new Windows 10 feature updates, as well as meet changes introduced in Settings and other apps.

 

A bit tangent: regarding NVDA’s commitment to Windows 10 and older Windows releases: as long as there is a need to provide accessibility workarounds and until the day third-party (not Microsoft) UWP developers embrace accessibility, I will work on Windows 10 App Essentials. I did put Microsoft in parentheses as Redmond is actively evangelizing accessibility principles, and I have advised them several times to persuade third-party devs to follow their examples. Also, older versions of Windows will be supported as long as possible, although as I said earlier, NVDA developers cannot support old releases forever.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Gamages
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 12:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Several windows 10 users have got..

 

Hello,

 

I bow to your greater experience, but , if we are not capable of choossing relevant updates, how can we be sure that our privacy settings are as they should be.

What about anti virus? I have Eset smart security and have just written to them for their comments, they do turn off some windows stuff  and usually give a message to say that Windows updates are available and should be installed, I’m sure Eset are on top of all this and I will await their reply with interest, if it’s relevant I will pass on anything they say.

 

Best Regards, Jim.

 

Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 5:09 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Several windows 10 users have got..

 

On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 08:42 am, Brian's Mail list account wrote:

Yes but why is it asking this question. From memory all you usually get is that a new version of it is available with extra features, do you want to now or later etc.

Because people legitimately complained about prior major updates to Windows 10 resetting Privacy (or other) settings as part of the update without any notification whatsoever.  This update also contains several new settings that were not there before, and Microsoft wants you to choose how you'd like those settings to be set so that this can be applied at the end of the update.

I tell everyone that when any of the Version updates takes place to Windows 10 you should always take a few minutes afterward, and that's all it requires, to cruise through every pane in the Privacy settings to ensure that things are set as you'd like them to be.  It also helps you to become more familiar with what you can control and where you need to go to tweak it as far as privacy goes.

And, as Gene has already noted, Windows 10 marked the introduction of Windows as a Service.  You cannot decline updates and if you use any method to rig it such that you don't get them you won't be getting security updates which are absolutely essential unless you're willing to keep reviewing the update catalog and manually downloading and applying same.  I'd rather not have to do that and my own professional experience informs my opinion that Microsoft, or any operating system creator and maintainer, knows a lot better than I do about what needs to be updated with their operating systems  Nobody has put it better than one of the BSOD experts on BleepingComputer.com with regard to Windows Updates, regardless of the version of Windows under discussion:

There really isn't a point to checking for updates and not installing them. . .  It's important to install all available updates. I've been doing this since the days of DOS, and I still don't have the confidence to pick and choose among updates.  There are just too many variables involved - and most people can't evaluate the full consequences of installing/not installing updates.

        ~ John Carrona, AKA usasma on BleepingComputer.com, http://www.carrona.org/
 
--
Brian  - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063  (dot level on request - it changes too often to keep in signature)

     The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.  But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.

            ~ Niels Bohr

 

 


The Gamages
 

Hello
 
Yes is the answer.
 
Best Regards, Jim.
 

Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 11:02 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Several windows 10 users have got..
 

So when you got the Settings page loaded, did you tab out of the search box down to the list of categories, arrow to and activate the one entitled ‘Privacy’ and explore the list of 18 configurable privacy related items?

 

Cheers

Chris    

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Gamages
Sent: 24 July 2017 09:42
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Several windows 10 users have got..

 

Hello,

No re starting doesn’t do anything, maybe another update problem? [smile].

I have got to the settings with windows X etc as suggested by another list member, it is the same place I got to with the search.

I haven’t changed anything here, it’s dificult to see what changing anything will do overall, so best to play safe and leave it alone.

Which brings me back to my original point, if we can’t choose what updates we want, how can we change settings  without incurring unforseen results?

Thanks everyone who has had patience with me on this issue, I will now desist and get on with my life.

 

Best Regards, Jim.

 

From: Joseph Lee

Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 7:10 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Several windows 10 users have got..

 

Hi,

Does a computer restart help?

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Gamages
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 10:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Several windows 10 users have got..

 

Hello,

 

sorry, windows plus I does nothing.

 

Best Regards, Jim.

 

From: Joseph Lee

Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 6:21 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Several windows 10 users have got.

 

Hi,

Ah, that…

The fastest way to get there, besides searching for it is pressing Windows+I, press TAB to go to categories, then press right arrow until you arrive at Privacy. Press ENTER, and press TAB to go to subcategories. For each category, press ENTER and press TAB to go through settings.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Gamages
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 4:57 AM
To: mailto:nvda@...
Subject: Re: [nvda] Several windows 10 users have got..

 

Hello Joseph,

 

O K, I will take the hit here,there must be others who, like me, have tried to get into the privacy settings without success, I typed “privacy settings” into the search box after pressing the windows key, pressing enter on any item does nothing, pressing tab takes me through a lot of other stuff and, to cut a long story short, I can make no sense of it. We are urged to look at all this, but, as in many cases, it is assumed that we have unlimited knowledge of these things.

Am I the only thick one on this list? or would some explanation of how to look at the privacy settings be useful to others, thank you for some simple advice.

 

I do appreciate everything  that yourself and the other developers do for NVDA, but sometimes it gets a bit too technical for me.

Stay well.

 

 

 

Best Regards, Jim.

 

From: Joseph Lee

Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 10:02 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Several windows 10 users have got..

 

Hi,

The ultimate idea behind Windows as a Service (WaaS) is to get everyone on the same page, same ecosystem, same principles, and same attitudes:

  • Same page: same or similar compatibility (note that the words “same” and “similar” are two completely different words).
  • Same ecosystem: to reduce fragmentation.
  • Same principles: updates, deployment and what not.
  • Same attitudes: update checks, testing new things as soon as possible and what not.

 

It’s been rough in the start, but as Windows 10 is turning two years old next week, the transition is going well (not smooth, but people are starting to realize implications of this new model). For instance, in the early days, some programs (including one or two antivirus programs) didn’t work well with Windows 10 and WaaS in general; that is changing slowly. When it comes to screen readers, it produced mixed results.

 

Regarding privacy settings: I may need to write this to the Win10 forum later (I cannot talk about this with authority here, as I want to tone down a lot on this forum), but I think it’d be a good idea to review privacy settings before and after new Windows 10 feature updates, as well as meet changes introduced in Settings and other apps.

 

A bit tangent: regarding NVDA’s commitment to Windows 10 and older Windows releases: as long as there is a need to provide accessibility workarounds and until the day third-party (not Microsoft) UWP developers embrace accessibility, I will work on Windows 10 App Essentials. I did put Microsoft in parentheses as Redmond is actively evangelizing accessibility principles, and I have advised them several times to persuade third-party devs to follow their examples. Also, older versions of Windows will be supported as long as possible, although as I said earlier, NVDA developers cannot support old releases forever.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Gamages
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 12:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Several windows 10 users have got..

 

Hello,

 

I bow to your greater experience, but , if we are not capable of choossing relevant updates, how can we be sure that our privacy settings are as they should be.

What about anti virus? I have Eset smart security and have just written to them for their comments, they do turn off some windows stuff  and usually give a message to say that Windows updates are available and should be installed, I’m sure Eset are on top of all this and I will await their reply with interest, if it’s relevant I will pass on anything they say.

 

Best Regards, Jim.

 

From: Brian Vogel

Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 5:09 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Several windows 10 users have got..

 

On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 08:42 am, Brian's Mail list account wrote:

Yes but why is it asking this question. From memory all you usually get is that a new version of it is available with extra features, do you want to now or later etc.

Because people legitimately complained about prior major updates to Windows 10 resetting Privacy (or other) settings as part of the update without any notification whatsoever.  This update also contains several new settings that were not there before, and Microsoft wants you to choose how you'd like those settings to be set so that this can be applied at the end of the update.

I tell everyone that when any of the Version updates takes place to Windows 10 you should always take a few minutes afterward, and that's all it requires, to cruise through every pane in the Privacy settings to ensure that things are set as you'd like them to be.  It also helps you to become more familiar with what you can control and where you need to go to tweak it as far as privacy goes.

And, as Gene has already noted, Windows 10 marked the introduction of Windows as a Service.  You cannot decline updates and if you use any method to rig it such that you don't get them you won't be getting security updates which are absolutely essential unless you're willing to keep reviewing the update catalog and manually downloading and applying same.  I'd rather not have to do that and my own professional experience informs my opinion that Microsoft, or any operating system creator and maintainer, knows a lot better than I do about what needs to be updated with their operating systems  Nobody has put it better than one of the BSOD experts on BleepingComputer.com with regard to Windows Updates, regardless of the version of Windows under discussion:

There really isn't a point to checking for updates and not installing them. . .  It's important to install all available updates. I've been doing this since the days of DOS, and I still don't have the confidence to pick and choose among updates.  There are just too many variables involved - and most people can't evaluate the full consequences of installing/not installing updates.

        ~ John Carrona, AKA usasma on BleepingComputer.com, http://www.carrona.org/
 
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