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Some mouse navigation questions

Jed Barton
 

Hey guys,
Jed here, 1st post.  So, i'm taking the nvda plunge coming from jawas.
I have used nvda a little bit, but am trying to get familiar with some
more of the keyboard commands.
So, what's the best way to navigate using the mouse in NVDA?? With jfw,
we have the jaws and PC cursor.  Also, what's the best way to get to
the preferences?
Cheers,
Jed

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


You mean as to get into the settings of nvda where you can make changes use the nvda key + letter N then arrow down to preferences then right to settings then press the enter key to go into that section.


Or quickly do the following nvda key + letter N then the letter P then press the enter key. Then it is a matter of going through the sections there.


there are other short cut keys to get to other parts of the settings menu


for example nvda key + ctrl key + letter V will take you into the voice settings.


The following link might help you with some of your questions found at https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda-community/wiki/FAQ

also when you use the nvda key + letter N to bring up the preferences menu arrow down to help then right to user guide it has shortcuts for both lap top and desk top users.


In the user manual from section 5 to 5.7 should answer most of your questions.


gene nz




On 9/02/2019 5:45 PM, Jed Barton wrote:
Hey guys,
Jed here, 1st post.  So, i'm taking the nvda plunge coming from jawas.
I have used nvda a little bit, but am trying to get familiar with some
more of the keyboard commands.
So, what's the best way to navigate using the mouse in NVDA?? With jfw,
we have the jaws and PC cursor.  Also, what's the best way to get to
the preferences?
Cheers,
Jed



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Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

Unfortunately, I know of no way of efficiently navigating with the mouse in NVDA, using the keyboard. If there is, again, I'd love to hear it.

I believe Insert+Enter on the numpad will click for you, but actually moving the mouse is a bit painful, it's not as nice as the JAWS cursor. You have review mode, or object nav, which take some getting used to.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jed Barton
Sent: 09 February 2019 04:46
To: nvda <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

Hey guys,
Jed here, 1st post. So, i'm taking the nvda plunge coming from jawas.
I have used nvda a little bit, but am trying to get familiar with some more of the keyboard commands.
So, what's the best way to navigate using the mouse in NVDA?? With jfw, we have the jaws and PC cursor. Also, what's the best way to get to the preferences?
Cheers,
Jed

 

On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 11:54 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:
Unfortunately, I know of no way of efficiently navigating with the mouse in NVDA, using the keyboard. If there is, again, I'd love to hear it.
Please expand on what you are using in JAWS.   One of the things I think is (or at least was) better in NVDA was how it worked in conjunction with the mouse.

I'm trying to figure out what it is you're using that NVDA lacks, whether in native form or by installing any of several different add-ons.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 

Jed Barton
 

Hey guys,
so i guess what i'm trying to figure out here, ya know in jaws we have
the PC and jaws cursor. Does such an animal exist in NVDA? Obviously
there are some things we can access in jaws with the PC cursor, and
some things with the jaws cursor. Then we have the ability to route
from 1 to the other. Can we do the same thing in NVDA?

On 2/9/19, Brian Vogel <@britechguy> wrote:
On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 11:54 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:


Unfortunately, I know of no way of efficiently navigating with the mouse
in NVDA, using the keyboard. If there is, again, I'd love to hear it.
Please expand on what you are using in JAWS.   One of the things I think is
(or at least was) better in NVDA was how it worked in conjunction with the
mouse.

I'm trying to figure out what it is you're using that NVDA lacks, whether in
native form or by installing any of several different add-ons.

--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

*A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for
illusion is deep.*

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back



Gene
 

The equivalent to the JAWS cursor is screen review mode.  There is also object navigation which, according to what I've heard and read is equivalent to the touch cursor in NVDA.  To read about screen review, you can look at the user guide
 
You can look at the user guide for information about object navigation but you would probably be better off using a tutorial.  I'll let list members discuss which tutorial they like that deals with the subject. 
 
You can click the mouse once you move to something using object navigation or screen review mode.  Use the command NVDA key slash, the mouse left click key in JAWS and NVDA.  That moves the mouse to your current position in object navigation or screen review, whichever you are using.  Then press slash again, which iss left click, as I said.
 
I can tell you where to look in the user manual but if you want me to, ask and I'll do so in another message.  I'd have to look it up. 
 
Also, if you don't know them, you need to know screen review keys such as numpad 8 read current line in review, numpad 7, move to and read previous line. and the rest.
 
Also, remember to always go back to object navigation after using screen review.  Certain things won't work as they should if you don't.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Jed Barton
Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2019 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

Hey guys,
so i guess what i'm trying to figure out here, ya know in jaws we have
the PC and jaws cursor.  Does such an animal exist in NVDA?  Obviously
there are some things we can access in jaws with the PC cursor, and
some things with the jaws cursor.  Then we have the ability to route
from 1 to the other.  Can we do the same thing in NVDA?

On 2/9/19, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 11:54 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:
>
>>
>> Unfortunately, I know of no way of efficiently navigating with the mouse
>> in NVDA, using the keyboard. If there is, again, I'd love to hear it.
>
> Please expand on what you are using in JAWS.   One of the things I think is
> (or at least was) better in NVDA was how it worked in conjunction with the
> mouse.
>
> I'm trying to figure out what it is you're using that NVDA lacks, whether in
> native form or by installing any of several different add-ons.
>
> --
>
> Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763
>
> *A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for
> illusion is deep.*
>
>           ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back
>
>
>
>


Jed Barton
 

how do you go between object and screen navigation?

On 2/9/19, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
The equivalent to the JAWS cursor is screen review mode. There is also
object navigation which, according to what I've heard and read is equivalent
to the touch cursor in NVDA. To read about screen review, you can look at
the user guide

You can look at the user guide for information about object navigation but
you would probably be better off using a tutorial. I'll let list members
discuss which tutorial they like that deals with the subject.

You can click the mouse once you move to something using object navigation
or screen review mode. Use the command NVDA key slash, the mouse left click
key in JAWS and NVDA. That moves the mouse to your current position in
object navigation or screen review, whichever you are using. Then press
slash again, which iss left click, as I said.

I can tell you where to look in the user manual but if you want me to, ask
and I'll do so in another message. I'd have to look it up.

Also, if you don't know them, you need to know screen review keys such as
numpad 8 read current line in review, numpad 7, move to and read previous
line. and the rest.

Also, remember to always go back to object navigation after using screen
review. Certain things won't work as they should if you don't.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Jed Barton
Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2019 11:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions


Hey guys,
so i guess what i'm trying to figure out here, ya know in jaws we have
the PC and jaws cursor. Does such an animal exist in NVDA? Obviously
there are some things we can access in jaws with the PC cursor, and
some things with the jaws cursor. Then we have the ability to route
from 1 to the other. Can we do the same thing in NVDA?

On 2/9/19, Brian Vogel <@britechguy> wrote:
On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 11:54 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:


Unfortunately, I know of no way of efficiently navigating with the mouse
in NVDA, using the keyboard. If there is, again, I'd love to hear it.
Please expand on what you are using in JAWS. One of the things I think
is
(or at least was) better in NVDA was how it worked in conjunction with
the
mouse.

I'm trying to figure out what it is you're using that NVDA lacks, whether
in
native form or by installing any of several different add-ons.

--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

*A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need
for
illusion is deep.*

~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back







David Moore
 

Hi!

There is an NVDA add-on called:

Golden cursor.

It allows you to navigate with the mouse using the key board.

Many of the commands involve holding down the Windows and NVDA key and pressing the arrow keys.

You can move the mouse up and down, for example, by pressing the up and down arrow keys, with the Windows and NVDA key held down.

You can choose how many pixels to move by each time you press an arrow key.

I use it a lot.

You can even save mouse positions so you can move the mouse right to that position.

This is much better than using Mouse Echo in JAWS.

Have a great one!

David Moore

 

                                                                Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2019 12:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 11:54 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:

Unfortunately, I know of no way of efficiently navigating with the mouse in NVDA, using the keyboard. If there is, again, I'd love to hear it.

Please expand on what you are using in JAWS.   One of the things I think is (or at least was) better in NVDA was how it worked in conjunction with the mouse.

I'm trying to figure out what it is you're using that NVDA lacks, whether in native form or by installing any of several different add-ons.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 

 

David Moore
 

Hi!

Hold down NVDA and press page up and page down to switch between object and screen navigation!

David Moore

                                                                Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Jed Barton
Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2019 1:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

how do you go between object and screen navigation?

 

On 2/9/19, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

> The equivalent to the JAWS cursor is screen review mode.  There is also

> object navigation which, according to what I've heard and read is equivalent

> to the touch cursor in NVDA.  To read about screen review, you can look at

> the user guide

> You can look at the user guide for information about object navigation but

> you would probably be better off using a tutorial.  I'll let list members

> discuss which tutorial they like that deals with the subject.

> You can click the mouse once you move to something using object navigation

> or screen review mode.  Use the command NVDA key slash, the mouse left click

> key in JAWS and NVDA.  That moves the mouse to your current position in

> object navigation or screen review, whichever you are using.  Then press

> slash again, which iss left click, as I said.

> I can tell you where to look in the user manual but if you want me to, ask

> and I'll do so in another message.  I'd have to look it up.

> Also, if you don't know them, you need to know screen review keys such as

> numpad 8 read current line in review, numpad 7, move to and read previous

> line. and the rest.

> Also, remember to always go back to object navigation after using screen

> review.  Certain things won't work as they should if you don't.

> Gene

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Jed Barton

> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2019 11:47 AM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

> Hey guys,

> so i guess what i'm trying to figure out here, ya know in jaws we have

> the PC and jaws cursor.  Does such an animal exist in NVDA?  Obviously

> there are some things we can access in jaws with the PC cursor, and

> some things with the jaws cursor.  Then we have the ability to route

> from 1 to the other.  Can we do the same thing in NVDA?

> On 2/9/19, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

>> On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 11:54 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:

>> 

>>> 

>>> Unfortunately, I know of no way of efficiently navigating with the mouse

>>> in NVDA, using the keyboard. If there is, again, I'd love to hear it.

>> 

>> Please expand on what you are using in JAWS.   One of the things I think

>> is

>> (or at least was) better in NVDA was how it worked in conjunction with

>> the

>> mouse.

>> 

>> I'm trying to figure out what it is you're using that NVDA lacks, whether

>> in

>> native form or by installing any of several different add-ons.

>> 

>> --

>> 

>> Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

>> 

>> *A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need

>> for

>> illusion is deep.*

>> 

>>           ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

 

Tony Malykh
 

I think what you would like to know is how to switch between the equivalent of PC Cursor (which is I believe called System Focus in NVDA) and equivalent of Jaws cursor (which is called review cursor or review mode in NVDA). If that's your question, then here is the answer. You don't have to switch between them in NVDA - they coexist. You just use the main inverted T-shaped arrow keys to move system focus and you can use numpad keys to move review cursor. Typically, you only need to use review mode cursor only in places where system focus cannot go. Review cursor is tethered to system cursor by default. Also the numpad keystrokes to control review cursor are very different from Jaws numpad keystrokes, but you can read more in NVDA documentation. Other than that, the two modes in Jaws and NVDA are very similar.

HTH

--Tony

On 2/9/2019 10:52 AM, Jed Barton wrote:
how do you go between object and screen navigation?

On 2/9/19, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
The equivalent to the JAWS cursor is screen review mode. There is also
object navigation which, according to what I've heard and read is equivalent
to the touch cursor in NVDA. To read about screen review, you can look at
the user guide

You can look at the user guide for information about object navigation but
you would probably be better off using a tutorial. I'll let list members
discuss which tutorial they like that deals with the subject.

You can click the mouse once you move to something using object navigation
or screen review mode. Use the command NVDA key slash, the mouse left click
key in JAWS and NVDA. That moves the mouse to your current position in
object navigation or screen review, whichever you are using. Then press
slash again, which iss left click, as I said.

I can tell you where to look in the user manual but if you want me to, ask
and I'll do so in another message. I'd have to look it up.

Also, if you don't know them, you need to know screen review keys such as
numpad 8 read current line in review, numpad 7, move to and read previous
line. and the rest.

Also, remember to always go back to object navigation after using screen
review. Certain things won't work as they should if you don't.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Jed Barton
Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2019 11:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions


Hey guys,
so i guess what i'm trying to figure out here, ya know in jaws we have
the PC and jaws cursor. Does such an animal exist in NVDA? Obviously
there are some things we can access in jaws with the PC cursor, and
some things with the jaws cursor. Then we have the ability to route
from 1 to the other. Can we do the same thing in NVDA?

On 2/9/19, Brian Vogel <@britechguy> wrote:
On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 11:54 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:

Unfortunately, I know of no way of efficiently navigating with the mouse
in NVDA, using the keyboard. If there is, again, I'd love to hear it.
Please expand on what you are using in JAWS. One of the things I think
is
(or at least was) better in NVDA was how it worked in conjunction with
the
mouse.

I'm trying to figure out what it is you're using that NVDA lacks, whether
in
native form or by installing any of several different add-ons.

--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

*A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need
for
illusion is deep.*

~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back






Gene
 

Also, a correction or addition needs to be made to an earlier message by another list member.  In the desktop keyboard layout, the way you move through the different modes is to hold numpad insert and while doing so, press numpad 7 to move forward through the selections and numpad 1 to move back. 
 
I don't know the laptop layout commands and those may be what were given.  But if you are using the desktop layout, the default, layout, the numpad commands I gave are for switching review modes.
 
Gene
----- Original message -----

From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2019 12:26 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

The equivalent to the JAWS cursor is screen review mode.  There is also object navigation which, according to what I've heard and read is equivalent to the touch cursor in NVDA.  To read about screen review, you can look at the user guide
 
You can look at the user guide for information about object navigation but you would probably be better off using a tutorial.  I'll let list members discuss which tutorial they like that deals with the subject. 
 
You can click the mouse once you move to something using object navigation or screen review mode.  Use the command NVDA key slash, the mouse left click key in JAWS and NVDA.  That moves the mouse to your current position in object navigation or screen review, whichever you are using.  Then press slash again, which iss left click, as I said.
 
I can tell you where to look in the user manual but if you want me to, ask and I'll do so in another message.  I'd have to look it up. 
 
Also, if you don't know them, you need to know screen review keys such as numpad 8 read current line in review, numpad 7, move to and read previous line. and the rest.
 
Also, remember to always go back to object navigation after using screen review.  Certain things won't work as they should if you don't.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Jed Barton
Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2019 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

Hey guys,
so i guess what i'm trying to figure out here, ya know in jaws we have
the PC and jaws cursor.  Does such an animal exist in NVDA?  Obviously
there are some things we can access in jaws with the PC cursor, and
some things with the jaws cursor.  Then we have the ability to route
from 1 to the other.  Can we do the same thing in NVDA?

On 2/9/19, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 11:54 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:
>
>>
>> Unfortunately, I know of no way of efficiently navigating with the mouse
>> in NVDA, using the keyboard. If there is, again, I'd love to hear it.
>
> Please expand on what you are using in JAWS.   One of the things I think is
> (or at least was) better in NVDA was how it worked in conjunction with the
> mouse.
>
> I'm trying to figure out what it is you're using that NVDA lacks, whether in
> native form or by installing any of several different add-ons.
>
> --
>
> Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763
>
> *A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for
> illusion is deep.*
>
>           ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back
>
>
>
>


Steve Nutt
 

Hi Jean,

 

What I find about screen review mode is that it seems to be restricted to the current window.  Is there any way of unrestricting it?

 

It also doesn’t see everything on screen, probably because of the lack of video hooks, but it certainly isn’t as good as JAWS for screen review.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 09 February 2019 18:26
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

The equivalent to the JAWS cursor is screen review mode.  There is also object navigation which, according to what I've heard and read is equivalent to the touch cursor in NVDA.  To read about screen review, you can look at the user guide

 

You can look at the user guide for information about object navigation but you would probably be better off using a tutorial.  I'll let list members discuss which tutorial they like that deals with the subject. 

 

You can click the mouse once you move to something using object navigation or screen review mode.  Use the command NVDA key slash, the mouse left click key in JAWS and NVDA.  That moves the mouse to your current position in object navigation or screen review, whichever you are using.  Then press slash again, which iss left click, as I said.

 

I can tell you where to look in the user manual but if you want me to, ask and I'll do so in another message.  I'd have to look it up. 

 

Also, if you don't know them, you need to know screen review keys such as numpad 8 read current line in review, numpad 7, move to and read previous line. and the rest.

 

Also, remember to always go back to object navigation after using screen review.  Certain things won't work as they should if you don't.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Jed Barton

Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2019 11:47 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

Hey guys,
so i guess what i'm trying to figure out here, ya know in jaws we have
the PC and jaws cursor.  Does such an animal exist in NVDA?  Obviously
there are some things we can access in jaws with the PC cursor, and
some things with the jaws cursor.  Then we have the ability to route
from 1 to the other.  Can we do the same thing in NVDA?

On 2/9/19, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 11:54 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:
>
>>
>> Unfortunately, I know of no way of efficiently navigating with the mouse
>> in NVDA, using the keyboard. If there is, again, I'd love to hear it.
>
> Please expand on what you are using in JAWS.   One of the things I think is
> (or at least was) better in NVDA was how it worked in conjunction with the
> mouse.
>
> I'm trying to figure out what it is you're using that NVDA lacks, whether in
> native form or by installing any of several different add-ons.
>
> --
>
> Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763
>
> *A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for
> illusion is deep.*
>
>           ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back
>
>
>
>

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

I believe that's 1 and 7 on the numpad to go prev or next review mode.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jed Barton
Sent: 09 February 2019 18:53
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

how do you go between object and screen navigation?

On 2/9/19, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
The equivalent to the JAWS cursor is screen review mode. There is
also object navigation which, according to what I've heard and read is
equivalent to the touch cursor in NVDA. To read about screen review,
you can look at the user guide

You can look at the user guide for information about object navigation
but you would probably be better off using a tutorial. I'll let list
members discuss which tutorial they like that deals with the subject.

You can click the mouse once you move to something using object
navigation or screen review mode. Use the command NVDA key slash, the
mouse left click key in JAWS and NVDA. That moves the mouse to your
current position in object navigation or screen review, whichever you
are using. Then press slash again, which iss left click, as I said.

I can tell you where to look in the user manual but if you want me to,
ask and I'll do so in another message. I'd have to look it up.

Also, if you don't know them, you need to know screen review keys such
as numpad 8 read current line in review, numpad 7, move to and read
previous line. and the rest.

Also, remember to always go back to object navigation after using
screen review. Certain things won't work as they should if you don't.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Jed Barton
Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2019 11:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions


Hey guys,
so i guess what i'm trying to figure out here, ya know in jaws we have
the PC and jaws cursor. Does such an animal exist in NVDA? Obviously
there are some things we can access in jaws with the PC cursor, and
some things with the jaws cursor. Then we have the ability to route
from 1 to the other. Can we do the same thing in NVDA?

On 2/9/19, Brian Vogel <@britechguy> wrote:
On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 11:54 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:


Unfortunately, I know of no way of efficiently navigating with the
mouse in NVDA, using the keyboard. If there is, again, I'd love to hear it.
Please expand on what you are using in JAWS. One of the things I think
is
(or at least was) better in NVDA was how it worked in conjunction
with the mouse.

I'm trying to figure out what it is you're using that NVDA lacks,
whether in native form or by installing any of several different
add-ons.

--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

*A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the
need for illusion is deep.*

~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back







Rui Fontes
 

Hello Steve!

The screen review is made to the object focused.
If you use NVDA+NumPad8, you will go to the parent object and screen review will be made to this new object...

Rui Fontes


Às 16:50 de 10/02/2019, Steve Nutt escreveu:

Hi Jean,
What I find about screen review mode is that it seems to be restricted to the current window.  Is there any way of unrestricting it?
It also doesn’t see everything on screen, probably because of the lack of video hooks, but it certainly isn’t as good as JAWS for screen review.
All the best
Steve
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Gene
*Sent:* 09 February 2019 18:26
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions
The equivalent to the JAWS cursor is screen review mode.  There is also object navigation which, according to what I've heard and read is equivalent to the touch cursor in NVDA.  To read about screen review, you can look at the user guide
You can look at the user guide for information about object navigation but you would probably be better off using a tutorial.  I'll let list members discuss which tutorial they like that deals with the subject.
You can click the mouse once you move to something using object navigation or screen review mode.  Use the command NVDA key slash, the mouse left click key in JAWS and NVDA.  That moves the mouse to your current position in object navigation or screen review, whichever you are using.  Then press slash again, which iss left click, as I said.
I can tell you where to look in the user manual but if you want me to, ask and I'll do so in another message.  I'd have to look it up.
Also, if you don't know them, you need to know screen review keys such as numpad 8 read current line in review, numpad 7, move to and read previous line. and the rest.
Also, remember to always go back to object navigation after using screen review.  Certain things won't work as they should if you don't.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:*Jed Barton <mailto:jed@...>
*Sent:*Saturday, February 09, 2019 11:47 AM
*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions
Hey guys,
so i guess what i'm trying to figure out here, ya know in jaws we have
the PC and jaws cursor.  Does such an animal exist in NVDA?  Obviously
there are some things we can access in jaws with the PC cursor, and
some things with the jaws cursor.  Then we have the ability to route
from 1 to the other.  Can we do the same thing in NVDA?
On 2/9/19, Brian Vogel <@britechguy <mailto:@britechguy>> wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 11:54 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:
>
>>
>> Unfortunately, I know of no way of efficiently navigating with the mouse
>> in NVDA, using the keyboard. If there is, again, I'd love to hear it.
>
> Please expand on what you are using in JAWS.   One of the things I
think is
> (or at least was) better in NVDA was how it worked in conjunction
with the
> mouse.
>
> I'm trying to figure out what it is you're using that NVDA lacks,
whether in
> native form or by installing any of several different add-ons.
>
> --
>
> Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763
>
> *A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the
need for
> illusion is deep.*
>
>           ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back
>
>
>
>

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

Actually they aren't. I don't think that JAWS has any similarity to Object Review mode.

But you may have answered one of my questions. If I untether the review cursor, it may well go outside the window you are in. If it doesn't, then JAWS does this better.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Malykh
Sent: 09 February 2019 22:15
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

I think what you would like to know is how to switch between the equivalent of PC Cursor (which is I believe called System Focus in NVDA) and equivalent of Jaws cursor (which is called review cursor or review mode in NVDA). If that's your question, then here is the answer. You don't have to switch between them in NVDA - they coexist. You just use the main inverted T-shaped arrow keys to move system focus and you can use numpad keys to move review cursor. Typically, you only need to use review mode cursor only in places where system focus cannot go. Review cursor is tethered to system cursor by default. Also the numpad keystrokes to control review cursor are very different from Jaws numpad keystrokes, but you can read more in NVDA documentation. Other than that, the two modes in Jaws and NVDA are very similar.

HTH

--Tony

On 2/9/2019 10:52 AM, Jed Barton wrote:
how do you go between object and screen navigation?

On 2/9/19, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
The equivalent to the JAWS cursor is screen review mode. There is
also object navigation which, according to what I've heard and read
is equivalent to the touch cursor in NVDA. To read about screen
review, you can look at the user guide

You can look at the user guide for information about object
navigation but you would probably be better off using a tutorial.
I'll let list members discuss which tutorial they like that deals with the subject.

You can click the mouse once you move to something using object
navigation or screen review mode. Use the command NVDA key slash,
the mouse left click key in JAWS and NVDA. That moves the mouse to
your current position in object navigation or screen review,
whichever you are using. Then press slash again, which iss left click, as I said.

I can tell you where to look in the user manual but if you want me
to, ask and I'll do so in another message. I'd have to look it up.

Also, if you don't know them, you need to know screen review keys
such as numpad 8 read current line in review, numpad 7, move to and
read previous line. and the rest.

Also, remember to always go back to object navigation after using
screen review. Certain things won't work as they should if you don't.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Jed Barton
Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2019 11:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions


Hey guys,
so i guess what i'm trying to figure out here, ya know in jaws we
have the PC and jaws cursor. Does such an animal exist in NVDA?
Obviously there are some things we can access in jaws with the PC
cursor, and some things with the jaws cursor. Then we have the
ability to route from 1 to the other. Can we do the same thing in NVDA?

On 2/9/19, Brian Vogel <@britechguy> wrote:
On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 11:54 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:

Unfortunately, I know of no way of efficiently navigating with the
mouse in NVDA, using the keyboard. If there is, again, I'd love to hear it.
Please expand on what you are using in JAWS. One of the things I think
is
(or at least was) better in NVDA was how it worked in conjunction
with the mouse.

I'm trying to figure out what it is you're using that NVDA lacks,
whether in native form or by installing any of several different
add-ons.

--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

*A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the
need for illusion is deep.*

~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back






Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

I know this. But can you move the review cursor out of the active program's window?

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rui Fontes
Sent: 10 February 2019 16:57
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

Hello Steve!

The screen review is made to the object focused.
If you use NVDA+NumPad8, you will go to the parent object and screen review will be made to this new object...

Rui Fontes


Às 16:50 de 10/02/2019, Steve Nutt escreveu:
Hi Jean,

What I find about screen review mode is that it seems to be restricted
to the current window. Is there any way of unrestricting it?

It also doesn’t see everything on screen, probably because of the lack
of video hooks, but it certainly isn’t as good as JAWS for screen review.

All the best


Steve

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Gene
*Sent:* 09 February 2019 18:26
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

The equivalent to the JAWS cursor is screen review mode. There is
also object navigation which, according to what I've heard and read is
equivalent to the touch cursor in NVDA. To read about screen review,
you can look at the user guide

You can look at the user guide for information about object navigation
but you would probably be better off using a tutorial. I'll let list
members discuss which tutorial they like that deals with the subject.

You can click the mouse once you move to something using object
navigation or screen review mode. Use the command NVDA key slash, the
mouse left click key in JAWS and NVDA. That moves the mouse to your
current position in object navigation or screen review, whichever you
are using. Then press slash again, which iss left click, as I said.

I can tell you where to look in the user manual but if you want me to,
ask and I'll do so in another message. I'd have to look it up.

Also, if you don't know them, you need to know screen review keys such
as numpad 8 read current line in review, numpad 7, move to and read
previous line. and the rest.

Also, remember to always go back to object navigation after using
screen review. Certain things won't work as they should if you don't.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

*From:*Jed Barton <mailto:jed@...>

*Sent:*Saturday, February 09, 2019 11:47 AM

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

Hey guys,
so i guess what i'm trying to figure out here, ya know in jaws we have
the PC and jaws cursor. Does such an animal exist in NVDA? Obviously
there are some things we can access in jaws with the PC cursor, and
some things with the jaws cursor. Then we have the ability to route
from 1 to the other. Can we do the same thing in NVDA?

On 2/9/19, Brian Vogel <@britechguy
<mailto:@britechguy>> wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 11:54 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:
>
>>
>> Unfortunately, I know of no way of efficiently navigating with the
mouse >> in NVDA, using the keyboard. If there is, again, I'd love to hear it.
>
> Please expand on what you are using in JAWS. One of the things I
think is > (or at least was) better in NVDA was how it worked in
conjunction with the > mouse.
>
> I'm trying to figure out what it is you're using that NVDA lacks,
whether in > native form or by installing any of several different
add-ons.
>
> --
>
> Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 > >
*A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the
need for > illusion is deep.* > > ~ Saul Bellow, To
Jerusalem and Back > > > >

Sarah k Alawami
 

Laptop keys are thus

Switch review modes: nvda plus page up and page down
Move through the screen in screen review mode: nvda plus up down left and right arrows. Add control for words, nvda control home to move to top and nvda end to move to bottom.

Take care

On 9 Feb 2019, at 16:35, Gene wrote:

Also, a correction or addition needs to be made to an earlier message by another list member.  In the desktop keyboard layout, the way you move through the different modes is to hold numpad insert and while doing so, press numpad 7 to move forward through the selections and numpad 1 to move back. 
 
I don't know the laptop layout commands and those may be what were given.  But if you are using the desktop layout, the default, layout, the numpad commands I gave are for switching review modes.
 
Gene
----- Original message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2019 12:26 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

The equivalent to the JAWS cursor is screen review mode.  There is also object navigation which, according to what I've heard and read is equivalent to the touch cursor in NVDA.  To read about screen review, you can look at the user guide
 
You can look at the user guide for information about object navigation but you would probably be better off using a tutorial.  I'll let list members discuss which tutorial they like that deals with the subject. 
 
You can click the mouse once you move to something using object navigation or screen review mode.  Use the command NVDA key slash, the mouse left click key in JAWS and NVDA.  That moves the mouse to your current position in object navigation or screen review, whichever you are using.  Then press slash again, which iss left click, as I said.
 
I can tell you where to look in the user manual but if you want me to, ask and I'll do so in another message.  I'd have to look it up. 
 
Also, if you don't know them, you need to know screen review keys such as numpad 8 read current line in review, numpad 7, move to and read previous line. and the rest.
 
Also, remember to always go back to object navigation after using screen review.  Certain things won't work as they should if you don't.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Jed Barton
Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2019 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

Hey guys,
so i guess what i'm trying to figure out here, ya know in jaws we have
the PC and jaws cursor.  Does such an animal exist in NVDA?  Obviously
there are some things we can access in jaws with the PC cursor, and
some things with the jaws cursor.  Then we have the ability to route
from 1 to the other.  Can we do the same thing in NVDA?

On 2/9/19, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 11:54 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:
>
>>
>> Unfortunately, I know of no way of efficiently navigating with the mouse
>> in NVDA, using the keyboard. If there is, again, I'd love to hear it.
>
> Please expand on what you are using in JAWS.   One of the things I think is
> (or at least was) better in NVDA was how it worked in conjunction with the
> mouse.
>
> I'm trying to figure out what it is you're using that NVDA lacks, whether in
> native form or by installing any of several different add-ons.
>
> --
>
> Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763
>
> *A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for
> illusion is deep.*
>
>           ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back
>
>
>
>


Sarah k Alawami
 

I love screen review and it does actually catch everything on the screen, at least in the program I have to use it in. I just learned about it last week, so for me this is really cooll.

On 10 Feb 2019, at 8:50, Steve Nutt wrote:

Hi Jean,

 

What I find about screen review mode is that it seems to be restricted to the current window.  Is there any way of unrestricting it?

 

It also doesn’t see everything on screen, probably because of the lack of video hooks, but it certainly isn’t as good as JAWS for screen review.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 09 February 2019 18:26
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

The equivalent to the JAWS cursor is screen review mode.  There is also object navigation which, according to what I've heard and read is equivalent to the touch cursor in NVDA.  To read about screen review, you can look at the user guide

 

You can look at the user guide for information about object navigation but you would probably be better off using a tutorial.  I'll let list members discuss which tutorial they like that deals with the subject. 

 

You can click the mouse once you move to something using object navigation or screen review mode.  Use the command NVDA key slash, the mouse left click key in JAWS and NVDA.  That moves the mouse to your current position in object navigation or screen review, whichever you are using.  Then press slash again, which iss left click, as I said.

 

I can tell you where to look in the user manual but if you want me to, ask and I'll do so in another message.  I'd have to look it up. 

 

Also, if you don't know them, you need to know screen review keys such as numpad 8 read current line in review, numpad 7, move to and read previous line. and the rest.

 

Also, remember to always go back to object navigation after using screen review.  Certain things won't work as they should if you don't.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Jed Barton

Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2019 11:47 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

Hey guys,
so i guess what i'm trying to figure out here, ya know in jaws we have
the PC and jaws cursor.  Does such an animal exist in NVDA?  Obviously
there are some things we can access in jaws with the PC cursor, and
some things with the jaws cursor.  Then we have the ability to route
from 1 to the other.  Can we do the same thing in NVDA?

On 2/9/19, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 11:54 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:
>
>>
>> Unfortunately, I know of no way of efficiently navigating with the mouse
>> in NVDA, using the keyboard. If there is, again, I'd love to hear it.
>
> Please expand on what you are using in JAWS.   One of the things I think is
> (or at least was) better in NVDA was how it worked in conjunction with the
> mouse.
>
> I'm trying to figure out what it is you're using that NVDA lacks, whether in
> native form or by installing any of several different add-ons.
>
> --
>
> Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763
>
> *A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for
> illusion is deep.*
>
>           ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back
>
>
>
>

Gene
 

I'm not saying the following to give you a hard time, as I explain below.  You have a bias towards JAWS which I'm pointing out because it may give a false impression to some list members.  please reserve such conclusions, if you can, until after you really know NVDA well.  There are ways in which JAWS is more capable, such as being able to have the user define frames to perform actions that make some programs far more easy to use and, in effect, more accessible.  If you use such capabilities, JAWS may be the screen-reader for you to use as your main screen-reader but you appear to underestimate the abilities of NVDA in other areas.
 
As far as I know, screen review is limited to the current window.  But object navigation definitely has no such limitations and you can see things with it you can't see in review mode.  It is equivalent to the Touch Cursor in JAWS but since I haven't used the touch cursor, I can't give a detailed comparison and contrast. 
 
I haven't seen any list members tell you where to get material about such things as object navigation and screen review.  I'll look and send you some information in another message, though I haven't followed such matters as carefully as some list members.
 
Gene

From: Steve Nutt
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2019 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

Hi Jean,

 

What I find about screen review mode is that it seems to be restricted to the current window.  Is there any way of unrestricting it?

 

It also doesn’t see everything on screen, probably because of the lack of video hooks, but it certainly isn’t as good as JAWS for screen review.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 09 February 2019 18:26
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

The equivalent to the JAWS cursor is screen review mode.  There is also object navigation which, according to what I've heard and read is equivalent to the touch cursor in NVDA.  To read about screen review, you can look at the user guide

 

You can look at the user guide for information about object navigation but you would probably be better off using a tutorial.  I'll let list members discuss which tutorial they like that deals with the subject. 

 

You can click the mouse once you move to something using object navigation or screen review mode.  Use the command NVDA key slash, the mouse left click key in JAWS and NVDA.  That moves the mouse to your current position in object navigation or screen review, whichever you are using.  Then press slash again, which iss left click, as I said.

 

I can tell you where to look in the user manual but if you want me to, ask and I'll do so in another message.  I'd have to look it up. 

 

Also, if you don't know them, you need to know screen review keys such as numpad 8 read current line in review, numpad 7, move to and read previous line. and the rest.

 

Also, remember to always go back to object navigation after using screen review.  Certain things won't work as they should if you don't.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Jed Barton

Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2019 11:47 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

Hey guys,
so i guess what i'm trying to figure out here, ya know in jaws we have
the PC and jaws cursor.  Does such an animal exist in NVDA?  Obviously
there are some things we can access in jaws with the PC cursor, and
some things with the jaws cursor.  Then we have the ability to route
from 1 to the other.  Can we do the same thing in NVDA?

On 2/9/19, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 11:54 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:
>
>>
>> Unfortunately, I know of no way of efficiently navigating with the mouse
>> in NVDA, using the keyboard. If there is, again, I'd love to hear it.
>
> Please expand on what you are using in JAWS.   One of the things I think is
> (or at least was) better in NVDA was how it worked in conjunction with the
> mouse.
>
> I'm trying to figure out what it is you're using that NVDA lacks, whether in
> native form or by installing any of several different add-ons.
>
> --
>
> Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763
>
> *A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for
> illusion is deep.*
>
>           ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back
>
>
>
>

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

 

Fine if it works for your program, but often it doesn’t “see” everything on the screen.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: 10 February 2019 18:23
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

I love screen review and it does actually catch everything on the screen, at least in the program I have to use it in. I just learned about it last week, so for me this is really cooll.

On 10 Feb 2019, at 8:50, Steve Nutt wrote:

Hi Jean,

 

What I find about screen review mode is that it seems to be restricted to the current window.  Is there any way of unrestricting it?

 

It also doesn’t see everything on screen, probably because of the lack of video hooks, but it certainly isn’t as good as JAWS for screen review.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 09 February 2019 18:26
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

The equivalent to the JAWS cursor is screen review mode.  There is also object navigation which, according to what I've heard and read is equivalent to the touch cursor in NVDA.  To read about screen review, you can look at the user guide

 

You can look at the user guide for information about object navigation but you would probably be better off using a tutorial.  I'll let list members discuss which tutorial they like that deals with the subject. 

 

You can click the mouse once you move to something using object navigation or screen review mode.  Use the command NVDA key slash, the mouse left click key in JAWS and NVDA.  That moves the mouse to your current position in object navigation or screen review, whichever you are using.  Then press slash again, which iss left click, as I said.

 

I can tell you where to look in the user manual but if you want me to, ask and I'll do so in another message.  I'd have to look it up. 

 

Also, if you don't know them, you need to know screen review keys such as numpad 8 read current line in review, numpad 7, move to and read previous line. and the rest.

 

Also, remember to always go back to object navigation after using screen review.  Certain things won't work as they should if you don't.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Jed Barton

Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2019 11:47 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

Hey guys,
so i guess what i'm trying to figure out here, ya know in jaws we have
the PC and jaws cursor.  Does such an animal exist in NVDA?  Obviously
there are some things we can access in jaws with the PC cursor, and
some things with the jaws cursor.  Then we have the ability to route
from 1 to the other.  Can we do the same thing in NVDA?

On 2/9/19, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 11:54 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:
>
>>
>> Unfortunately, I know of no way of efficiently navigating with the mouse
>> in NVDA, using the keyboard. If there is, again, I'd love to hear it.
>
> Please expand on what you are using in JAWS.   One of the things I think is
> (or at least was) better in NVDA was how it worked in conjunction with the
> mouse.
>
> I'm trying to figure out what it is you're using that NVDA lacks, whether in
> native form or by installing any of several different add-ons.
>
> --
>
> Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763
>
> *A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for
> illusion is deep.*
>
>           ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back
>
>
>
>