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speaking passwords instead of star

Isaac
 

Hi, is there a way to set nvda to say a password when I type it instead of star and read the field I am writing in with out it saying star?

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I think there's an add-on called Speak Password.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Isaac
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 8:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] speaking passwords instead of star

 

Hi, is there a way to set nvda to say a password when I type it instead of star and read the field I am writing in with out it saying star?

 

Rosemarie is right, just off by 1 letter:   

Speak Passwords

Be very, very careful about what machines you're using this on and who else might be around.
I absolutely hate even the idea of it, but it's not my call. . .
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Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I don't understand why anybody would want their password spoken either--especially in a public place like a library.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 8:18 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] speaking passwords instead of star

 

Rosemarie is right, just off by 1 letter:   

Speak Passwords

Be very, very careful about what machines you're using this on and who else might be around.
I absolutely hate even the idea of it, but it's not my call. . .
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 

 

On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 11:20 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

especially in a public place like a library.

 

I doubt that many do this, but any that do have no one to blame but themselves when the inevitable account compromises come.

Passwords (or pass phrases) belong in two areas:  One's own head and/or a password manager program that encrypts the file containing the actual passwords.  

All the reasons that have ever been given for reading them aloud when typed ring entirely hollow to me.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 

Isaac
 


Thanks for the link

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Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 10:17 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] speaking passwords instead of star

Rosemarie is right, just off by 1 letter:   

Speak Passwords

Be very, very careful about what machines you're using this on and who else might be around.
I absolutely hate even the idea of it, but it's not my call. . .
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 

Isaac
 


Well, I have a program that is very slugish about entering passwords so I want them spoken aloud to know there inputted as this particular program doesn't say star or anything. 

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Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] speaking passwords instead of star

On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 11:20 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

especially in a public place like a library.

 

I doubt that many do this, but any that do have no one to blame but themselves when the inevitable account compromises come.

Passwords (or pass phrases) belong in two areas:  One's own head and/or a password manager program that encrypts the file containing the actual passwords.  

All the reasons that have ever been given for reading them aloud when typed ring entirely hollow to me.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 

 

On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 11:27 AM, Isaac wrote:
I have a program that is very slugish about entering passwords so I want them spoken aloud to know there inputted as this particular program doesn't say star or anything.
Which is an even better justification for a password manager program, where you generally have the option to either copy and paste, so no typing is necessary, or actually having the password manager enter the login information for you.

There's very little learning curve, particularly for the copy and paste option, which is what I use most frequently because some websites just don't work well with the "automatic filling in" function, and I can never remember which are the cranky ones.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 

Gene
 

Not in a public place, but in a private place, or when using headphones, it may be useful.  While I haven't paid much attention to this, it seems to me that some sites ask you to verify your password when setting up an account and some don't.  If a site doesn't ask you to do this, then you can't confirm the password is typed correctly when setting up an account.  If you type carefully, that isn't usually a problem but you should have the option to check what you are doing.  of course, you have to use common sense gbut people are responsible for their own sstupidity beyond a certain point and programmers shouldn't protect them from it or they should provide ways around the protection in many cases.
 
Gene

Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2019 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] speaking passwords instead of star

I don't understand why anybody would want their password spoken either--especially in a public place like a library.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 8:18 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] speaking passwords instead of star

 

Rosemarie is right, just off by 1 letter:   

Speak Passwords

Be very, very careful about what machines you're using this on and who else might be around.
I absolutely hate even the idea of it, but it's not my call. . .
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 

Sarah k Alawami
 

I personally would not do that for security reasons. I'm sure there is a way, but I don't know it as I would in my humble opinion never use it unless I was typing in a 36 char password (I have some of those) and need to verify it, but that's it.

On 9 Jan 2019, at 8:08, Isaac wrote:

Hi, is there a way to set nvda to say a password when I type it instead of star and read the field I am writing in with out it saying star?

Chris
 

Not in nvda itself but there is a addon called something like speak password which is still available on the nvda addons web page

 

 

From: Isaac
Sent: 09 January 2019 16:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] speaking passwords instead of star

 

Hi, is there a way to set nvda to say a password when I type it instead of star and read the field I am writing in with out it saying star?

 

Ann Byrne <annakb@...>
 

Sometimes you just need to be sure you typed it in right. It's easy enough to silence when nobody else should hear. Really, if you are near other people, it's polite to wear head phones, in which case nobody would hear it anyway.

At 10:27 AM 1/9/2019, you wrote:

Well, I have a program that is very slugish about entering passwords so I want them spoken aloud to know there inputted as this particular program doesn't say star or anything.
----- Original Message -----
From: <mailto:@britechguy>Brian Vogel
To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] speaking passwords instead of star

On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 11:20 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

especially in a public place like a library.



I doubt that many do this, but any that do have no one to blame but themselves when the inevitable account compromises come.

Passwords (or pass phrases) belong in two areas: One's own head and/or a password manager program that encrypts the file containing the actual passwords.

All the reasons that have ever been given for reading them aloud when typed ring entirely hollow to me.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back





Sarah k Alawami
 

Yeah I never whare headphones as I can't hear well anyway, so that's why I trust my fingers or a password mamager where I can copy paste theepassword.

On 9 Jan 2019, at 11:05, Ann Byrne wrote:

Sometimes you just need to be sure you typed it in right. It's easy enough to silence when nobody else should hear. Really, if you are near other people, it's polite to wear head phones, in which case nobody would hear it anyway.
At 10:27 AM 1/9/2019, you wrote:


Well, I have a program that is very slugish about entering passwords so I want them spoken aloud to know there inputted as this particular program doesn't say star or anything.
----- Original Message -----
From: <mailto:britechguy@...>Brian Vogel
To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] speaking passwords instead of star

On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 11:20 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

especially in a public place like a library.



I doubt that many do this, but any that do have no one to blame but themselves when the inevitable account compromises come.

Passwords (or pass phrases) belong in two areas: One's own head and/or a password manager program that encrypts the file containing the actual passwords.

All the reasons that have ever been given for reading them aloud when typed ring entirely hollow to me.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back





Brian K. Lingard
 

I am a bad typist; habitually press unwanted keys plus the ones I want.

 

For this reason, I keep many passwords in a file and copy them into secure fields.

Brian K. Lingard

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Isaac
Sent: January 9, 2019 11:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] speaking passwords instead of star

 

Hi, is there a way to set nvda to say a password when I type it instead of star and read the field I am writing in without it saying star?

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Hi
There is an add-on called Speak password, and I wrote a very short article for it. Take a look at: https://saomaicenter.org/en/blog/access-tech/nvda-add-speak-password
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----- Original Message -----
From: Isaac
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2019 11:08 PM
Subject: [nvda] speaking passwords instead of star

Hi, is there a way to set nvda to say a password when I type it instead of star and read the field I am writing in with out it saying star?

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Well, I guess it does depend on what data is in the account. I can see that some accounts, say one I use on the BBC has no personal data in it, it is merely forced on us so the BBC can see what is being watched, and probably in the future check if we have paid the licence.
The danger I think is that its not selective in that if you forget an leave it on when doing banking then its going to be a major issue if you are outside of your home.

Brian

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On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 11:20 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:




especially in a public place like a library.





I doubt that many do this, but any that do have no one to blame but themselves when the inevitable account compromises come.

Passwords (or pass phrases) belong in two areas: One's own head and/or a password manager program that encrypts the file containing the actual passwords.

All the reasons that have ever been given for reading them aloud when typed ring entirely hollow to me.

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Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

*A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.*

~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

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You may find if it says nothing, than speak passwords won't operate, or to be more accurate, the echo back might not actually be what you put in at your end.
I know of no real way to find this out, as after all if the password repeated back instead of star or circle or whatever, then anyone could see it.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Isaac" <bigikemusic@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2019 4:27 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] speaking passwords instead of star


Well, I have a program that is very slugish about entering passwords so I want them spoken aloud to know there inputted as this particular program doesn't say star or anything.
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Vogel
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] speaking passwords instead of star


On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 11:20 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

especially in a public place like a library.



I doubt that many do this, but any that do have no one to blame but themselves when the inevitable account compromises come.

Passwords (or pass phrases) belong in two areas: One's own head and/or a password manager program that encrypts the file containing the actual passwords.

All the reasons that have ever been given for reading them aloud when typed ring entirely hollow to me.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

Giles Turnbull
 

I have a related problem. I programmed the circle symbol that is used in place of the asterisk into the NVDA dictionary so that it says star star star star for a 4 digit PIN. After a recent Windows update I suspect they must have changed the circle character used to obscure the password ... if I left cursor back a character it says "circle" but I can't copy the circle to program it into the default dictionary so that NVDA speaks "star" again!

Does anybody have any suggestions about which circle character is being used? I tried running speech viewer on the logon screen but that didn't record anything either with regards to the password symbol.

Giles

 

Giles,

            Would you mind sharing the website in question?  I might be able to snag it even if I try doing a completely faux login.  In most cases it looks just like the character used for round bullets in a bulleted list, but who knows.

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A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 

Giles Turnbull
 

Hi Brian,

it's just the initial logon screen for Win10. I use a PIN and each number is obfuscated with a character that NVDA describes as a circle, but my old dictionary entry for this circle symbol, ●, to be spoken as "star" has stopped working, which makes me think Microsoft have changed which symbol is being used.

It's not a major issue but I did like to hear that a symbol, be it a circle or an asterisk, had been typed :) I'll play around with some of the other bullet / circle symbols in the NVDA dictionary at some point :)

Giles