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locked Statement from Joseph Lee regarding NVDA add-ons and Windows XP support requests: no more, period

Hareth
 

Hi Joseph,
Don't waste your time. People was advising her for years now , getting
Same respond,
She just comes back with the same, and emphasize more and more.

On 3/26/20, Joseph Lee <@joslee> wrote:
Hi,
I told the community, but let me remind you again: NO, NO, NO! Yes, I'm
angry, and yes, I mean it: please do not ask the community to email you
about feature backports, as that will not happen. Sorry - case closed.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 4:11 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Statement from Joseph Lee regarding NVDA add-ons and
Windows XP support requests: no more, period

hi,
thanks for your message.
for several reasons, nvda 2017.3 is the best version and even 2017.2 works
very well, and they work very perfect for my need.
but, two or three items which are included in newer versions of nvda, i wish
to backported to nvda 2017.3, not only for myself, but for the benefit of
all users of this versions like me!
if someone wants to help me in this regard, please email me!
God bless you everyone!

On 3/24/20, abdul muhamin <abdulmuhamin600@...> wrote:
Hi, Zahra, why you don’t update your operating system and the NVDA to
the latest versions to solve all your compatibility problems instead
of asking support of the old software, you should use the new and
fresh peace of software to avoid all the security risks

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: zahra
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 3:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Statement from Joseph Lee regarding NVDA add-ons
andWindows XP support requests: no more, period

hi joseph.
as i mentioned in my emails, i only need two or three fixed in newer
versions of nvda for backporting to the supported versions of nvda on
xp.
and i promise that my request does not cause nvda crashing or
unresponsiveness in any version of windows!
my requests are only specific for firefox and contains important fixes
which i am sure benefits everyone.

On 3/23/20, Joseph Lee <@joslee> wrote:
Hello NVDA users and add-on developers,



First, I would like to reiterate how important it is that everyone
listen to advice from reputable sources regarding COVID-19, including
public health officials recommending folks to exercise social
distancing for a while.
Even
if you do not feel sick, please help others by washing hands,
practice social distancing, and monitor the situation regarding the
pandemic and community spread. And since the NVDA community is a
global movement, please support each other.



Onto the matter at hand: for several days I have received requests
about NVDA add-ons and Windows XP support. Requests have included
making add-ons compatible with Windows XP again, compatibility
issues, and backporting newer NVDA bug fixes and features to users of
NVDA 2017.3, the last version compatible with Windows XP.



At the moment there is no community guidance on support for Windows
XP, with many people asking others to upgrade to newer Windows
releases. But as an individual add-on author and a contributor to
NVDA screen reader project, I would like to take this time to make
the following personal announcement:



Effective April 15, 2020, if you ask me to do one or more of the
following for Windows XP users, the answer you will get is, "sorry,
no more, period."
These include:



* Making add-ons compatible with Windows XP, Server 2003, Vista, and
Server 2008
* Fixing compatibility issues and non-working add-ons after you
knowingly install newer add-on releases on NVDA 2017.3 or earlier
* Backporting features and bug fixes from newer NVDA releases to NVDA
2017.3
* Maintaining a long-term support version of NVDA for Windows
XP/Server 2003/Vista/Server 2008 users



Most importantly, I will flatly say "no" if you ask me privately to
ask NV Access and/or add-on developers about Windows XP support. Many
features introduced in newer NVDA releases cannot be backported for
various reasons, including risk of crashing NVDA (grammar error
announcement, for example), incompatibility with Python 2 (broader
Unicode support, for example), features that will not work properly
with XP (screen curtain, for example), support for apps no longer
recommended for wider use (outlook Express, for example), and broad
changes that alters how add-ons work (speech refactor and
multi-category settings dialog, for example). Several add-on authors
have indicated reluctance to support XP, and in case of add-ons I'm
either maintaining or have passed onto the community, none of them
support NVDA
2019.2.1 or earlier, let alone Windows XP and friends.



My personal statement above will not be in effect until April so that
you can help others going through COVID-19 and for my statement as an
individual developer to sink in. Note that I'm not speaking on behalf
of other developers - others have their own policies regarding
support for Windows XP. NV Access does provide a download link for
NVDA 2017.3, the last version compatible with Windows XP.



I know my statement is a huge blow to many of you. As much as I
wanted folks to understand that end of support means end of support,
and I understand that many of you cannot afford newer equipment and
software releases (including moving to newer Windows releases), I
felt it is time to make a bold statement and say "no" to Windows XP
support. In the past, I did note on various NVDA forums that my
add-ons will not and does not support Windows XP, but didn't announce
a statement like this then, hoping that folks will understand the
reality at last. But alas, it is time to officially close the doors
to Windows XP support from my end - once again, this is an individual
developer saying this, not on behalf of the community at large,
knowing that others will make statements on their own.



Thank you for understanding.

Cheers,

Joseph





--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali








--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali






ely.r@...
 

Haret
Thanks for posting this. Joseph, Thanks for keeping unbendable about this request, and know that we users are strongly behind you and any other developers that are pushed to back port or rewrite code for systems that are no longer supported.

Zara, there are some good options for replacing your entire computer setup at a very small cost. If you hope to continue to rely on a computer for one of your connections to the world, it is past time to give up "Old Faithful" and move on.

I live in Massachusetts, and though my current system is still useable, I am about to replace it. Our regional Commission for the Blind AT specialist has already asked if I will donate my current system. He will refurbish it, remove all my data, and prepare it for another user. Not knowing where you live or your circumstances, these options may b available to you. Rather than using energy to ask for reverse engineering, why not ask this incredible list for ideas that will help you get a fresh tech start?
Rick

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Hareth
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 10:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Statement from Joseph Lee regarding NVDA add-ons and Windows XP support requests: no more, period

Hi Joseph,
Don't waste your time. People was advising her for years now , getting Same respond, She just comes back with the same, and emphasize more and more.

On 3/26/20, Joseph Lee <@joslee> wrote:
Hi,
I told the community, but let me remind you again: NO, NO, NO! Yes,
I'm angry, and yes, I mean it: please do not ask the community to
email you about feature backports, as that will not happen. Sorry - case closed.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 4:11 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Statement from Joseph Lee regarding NVDA add-ons
and Windows XP support requests: no more, period

hi,
thanks for your message.
for several reasons, nvda 2017.3 is the best version and even 2017.2
works very well, and they work very perfect for my need.
but, two or three items which are included in newer versions of nvda,
i wish to backported to nvda 2017.3, not only for myself, but for the
benefit of all users of this versions like me!
if someone wants to help me in this regard, please email me!
God bless you everyone!

On 3/24/20, abdul muhamin <abdulmuhamin600@...> wrote:
Hi, Zahra, why you don’t update your operating system and the NVDA to
the latest versions to solve all your compatibility problems instead
of asking support of the old software, you should use the new and
fresh peace of software to avoid all the security risks

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: zahra
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 3:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Statement from Joseph Lee regarding NVDA add-ons
andWindows XP support requests: no more, period

hi joseph.
as i mentioned in my emails, i only need two or three fixed in newer
versions of nvda for backporting to the supported versions of nvda on
xp.
and i promise that my request does not cause nvda crashing or
unresponsiveness in any version of windows!
my requests are only specific for firefox and contains important
fixes which i am sure benefits everyone.

On 3/23/20, Joseph Lee <@joslee> wrote:
Hello NVDA users and add-on developers,



First, I would like to reiterate how important it is that everyone
listen to advice from reputable sources regarding COVID-19,
including public health officials recommending folks to exercise
social distancing for a while.
Even
if you do not feel sick, please help others by washing hands,
practice social distancing, and monitor the situation regarding the
pandemic and community spread. And since the NVDA community is a
global movement, please support each other.



Onto the matter at hand: for several days I have received requests
about NVDA add-ons and Windows XP support. Requests have included
making add-ons compatible with Windows XP again, compatibility
issues, and backporting newer NVDA bug fixes and features to users
of NVDA 2017.3, the last version compatible with Windows XP.



At the moment there is no community guidance on support for Windows
XP, with many people asking others to upgrade to newer Windows
releases. But as an individual add-on author and a contributor to
NVDA screen reader project, I would like to take this time to make
the following personal announcement:



Effective April 15, 2020, if you ask me to do one or more of the
following for Windows XP users, the answer you will get is, "sorry,
no more, period."
These include:



* Making add-ons compatible with Windows XP, Server 2003, Vista, and
Server 2008
* Fixing compatibility issues and non-working add-ons after you
knowingly install newer add-on releases on NVDA 2017.3 or earlier
* Backporting features and bug fixes from newer NVDA releases to NVDA
2017.3
* Maintaining a long-term support version of NVDA for Windows
XP/Server 2003/Vista/Server 2008 users



Most importantly, I will flatly say "no" if you ask me privately to
ask NV Access and/or add-on developers about Windows XP support.
Many features introduced in newer NVDA releases cannot be backported
for various reasons, including risk of crashing NVDA (grammar error
announcement, for example), incompatibility with Python 2 (broader
Unicode support, for example), features that will not work properly
with XP (screen curtain, for example), support for apps no longer
recommended for wider use (outlook Express, for example), and broad
changes that alters how add-ons work (speech refactor and
multi-category settings dialog, for example). Several add-on authors
have indicated reluctance to support XP, and in case of add-ons I'm
either maintaining or have passed onto the community, none of them
support NVDA
2019.2.1 or earlier, let alone Windows XP and friends.



My personal statement above will not be in effect until April so
that you can help others going through COVID-19 and for my statement
as an individual developer to sink in. Note that I'm not speaking on
behalf of other developers - others have their own policies
regarding support for Windows XP. NV Access does provide a download
link for NVDA 2017.3, the last version compatible with Windows XP.



I know my statement is a huge blow to many of you. As much as I
wanted folks to understand that end of support means end of support,
and I understand that many of you cannot afford newer equipment and
software releases (including moving to newer Windows releases), I
felt it is time to make a bold statement and say "no" to Windows XP
support. In the past, I did note on various NVDA forums that my
add-ons will not and does not support Windows XP, but didn't
announce a statement like this then, hoping that folks will
understand the reality at last. But alas, it is time to officially
close the doors to Windows XP support from my end - once again, this
is an individual developer saying this, not on behalf of the
community at large, knowing that others will make statements on their own.



Thank you for understanding.

Cheers,

Joseph





--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali








--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali






 

i live in Iran.
numerous sanctions and expensive prices.
i really cant use newer versions because of the lack for english US
accent even if i can use newer windows.
i really cant understand UK english and i get headache, but, i can
even read hundreds of pages of english books with american accent!
i am very sad, because people judge other people whome dont know about
there needs, situations and conditions!

On 3/26/20, ely.r@... <ely.r@...> wrote:
Haret
Thanks for posting this. Joseph, Thanks for keeping unbendable about this
request, and know that we users are strongly behind you and any other
developers that are pushed to back port or rewrite code for systems that are
no longer supported.

Zara, there are some good options for replacing your entire computer setup
at a very small cost. If you hope to continue to rely on a computer for one
of your connections to the world, it is past time to give up "Old Faithful"
and move on.

I live in Massachusetts, and though my current system is still useable, I am
about to replace it. Our regional Commission for the Blind AT specialist has
already asked if I will donate my current system. He will refurbish it,
remove all my data, and prepare it for another user. Not knowing where you
live or your circumstances, these options may b available to you. Rather
than using energy to ask for reverse engineering, why not ask this
incredible list for ideas that will help you get a fresh tech start?
Rick

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Hareth
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 10:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Statement from Joseph Lee regarding NVDA add-ons and
Windows XP support requests: no more, period

Hi Joseph,
Don't waste your time. People was advising her for years now , getting Same
respond, She just comes back with the same, and emphasize more and more.

On 3/26/20, Joseph Lee <@joslee> wrote:
Hi,
I told the community, but let me remind you again: NO, NO, NO! Yes,
I'm angry, and yes, I mean it: please do not ask the community to
email you about feature backports, as that will not happen. Sorry - case
closed.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 4:11 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Statement from Joseph Lee regarding NVDA add-ons
and Windows XP support requests: no more, period

hi,
thanks for your message.
for several reasons, nvda 2017.3 is the best version and even 2017.2
works very well, and they work very perfect for my need.
but, two or three items which are included in newer versions of nvda,
i wish to backported to nvda 2017.3, not only for myself, but for the
benefit of all users of this versions like me!
if someone wants to help me in this regard, please email me!
God bless you everyone!

On 3/24/20, abdul muhamin <abdulmuhamin600@...> wrote:
Hi, Zahra, why you don’t update your operating system and the NVDA to
the latest versions to solve all your compatibility problems instead
of asking support of the old software, you should use the new and
fresh peace of software to avoid all the security risks

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: zahra
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 3:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Statement from Joseph Lee regarding NVDA add-ons
andWindows XP support requests: no more, period

hi joseph.
as i mentioned in my emails, i only need two or three fixed in newer
versions of nvda for backporting to the supported versions of nvda on
xp.
and i promise that my request does not cause nvda crashing or
unresponsiveness in any version of windows!
my requests are only specific for firefox and contains important
fixes which i am sure benefits everyone.

On 3/23/20, Joseph Lee <@joslee> wrote:
Hello NVDA users and add-on developers,



First, I would like to reiterate how important it is that everyone
listen to advice from reputable sources regarding COVID-19,
including public health officials recommending folks to exercise
social distancing for a while.
Even
if you do not feel sick, please help others by washing hands,
practice social distancing, and monitor the situation regarding the
pandemic and community spread. And since the NVDA community is a
global movement, please support each other.



Onto the matter at hand: for several days I have received requests
about NVDA add-ons and Windows XP support. Requests have included
making add-ons compatible with Windows XP again, compatibility
issues, and backporting newer NVDA bug fixes and features to users
of NVDA 2017.3, the last version compatible with Windows XP.



At the moment there is no community guidance on support for Windows
XP, with many people asking others to upgrade to newer Windows
releases. But as an individual add-on author and a contributor to
NVDA screen reader project, I would like to take this time to make
the following personal announcement:



Effective April 15, 2020, if you ask me to do one or more of the
following for Windows XP users, the answer you will get is, "sorry,
no more, period."
These include:



* Making add-ons compatible with Windows XP, Server 2003, Vista, and
Server 2008
* Fixing compatibility issues and non-working add-ons after you
knowingly install newer add-on releases on NVDA 2017.3 or earlier
* Backporting features and bug fixes from newer NVDA releases to NVDA
2017.3
* Maintaining a long-term support version of NVDA for Windows
XP/Server 2003/Vista/Server 2008 users



Most importantly, I will flatly say "no" if you ask me privately to
ask NV Access and/or add-on developers about Windows XP support.
Many features introduced in newer NVDA releases cannot be backported
for various reasons, including risk of crashing NVDA (grammar error
announcement, for example), incompatibility with Python 2 (broader
Unicode support, for example), features that will not work properly
with XP (screen curtain, for example), support for apps no longer
recommended for wider use (outlook Express, for example), and broad
changes that alters how add-ons work (speech refactor and
multi-category settings dialog, for example). Several add-on authors
have indicated reluctance to support XP, and in case of add-ons I'm
either maintaining or have passed onto the community, none of them
support NVDA
2019.2.1 or earlier, let alone Windows XP and friends.



My personal statement above will not be in effect until April so
that you can help others going through COVID-19 and for my statement
as an individual developer to sink in. Note that I'm not speaking on
behalf of other developers - others have their own policies
regarding support for Windows XP. NV Access does provide a download
link for NVDA 2017.3, the last version compatible with Windows XP.



I know my statement is a huge blow to many of you. As much as I
wanted folks to understand that end of support means end of support,
and I understand that many of you cannot afford newer equipment and
software releases (including moving to newer Windows releases), I
felt it is time to make a bold statement and say "no" to Windows XP
support. In the past, I did note on various NVDA forums that my
add-ons will not and does not support Windows XP, but didn't
announce a statement like this then, hoping that folks will
understand the reality at last. But alas, it is time to officially
close the doors to Windows XP support from my end - once again, this
is an individual developer saying this, not on behalf of the
community at large, knowing that others will make statements on their
own.



Thank you for understanding.

Cheers,

Joseph





--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali








--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali












--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Zara,


We're not trying to judge or make fun of you. I'm sure there has to be some kind of organization in Iran where you can get a new or refurvished computer. You may not be able to afford a brand-new computer but I'm sure there are organizations that will help you to get a refurvished computer with windows 10. We have all told you numerous times that you shouldn't stay with a system that's no longer supported.


Rosemarie

On 3/26/2020 8:25 AM, zahra wrote:
i live in Iran.
numerous sanctions and expensive prices.
i really cant use newer versions because of the lack for english US
accent even if i can use newer windows.
i really cant understand UK english and i get headache, but, i can
even read hundreds of pages of english books with american accent!
i am very sad, because people judge other people whome dont know about
there needs, situations and conditions!

On 3/26/20, ely.r@... <ely.r@...> wrote:
Haret
Thanks for posting this. Joseph, Thanks for keeping unbendable about this
request, and know that we users are strongly behind you and any other
developers that are pushed to back port or rewrite code for systems that are
no longer supported.

Zara, there are some good options for replacing your entire computer setup
at a very small cost. If you hope to continue to rely on a computer for one
of your connections to the world, it is past time to give up "Old Faithful"
and move on.

I live in Massachusetts, and though my current system is still useable, I am
about to replace it. Our regional Commission for the Blind AT specialist has
already asked if I will donate my current system. He will refurbish it,
remove all my data, and prepare it for another user. Not knowing where you
live or your circumstances, these options may b available to you. Rather
than using energy to ask for reverse engineering, why not ask this
incredible list for ideas that will help you get a fresh tech start?
Rick

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Hareth
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 10:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Statement from Joseph Lee regarding NVDA add-ons and
Windows XP support requests: no more, period

Hi Joseph,
Don't waste your time. People was advising her for years now , getting Same
respond, She just comes back with the same, and emphasize more and more.

On 3/26/20, Joseph Lee <@joslee> wrote:
Hi,
I told the community, but let me remind you again: NO, NO, NO! Yes,
I'm angry, and yes, I mean it: please do not ask the community to
email you about feature backports, as that will not happen. Sorry - case
closed.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 4:11 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Statement from Joseph Lee regarding NVDA add-ons
and Windows XP support requests: no more, period

hi,
thanks for your message.
for several reasons, nvda 2017.3 is the best version and even 2017.2
works very well, and they work very perfect for my need.
but, two or three items which are included in newer versions of nvda,
i wish to backported to nvda 2017.3, not only for myself, but for the
benefit of all users of this versions like me!
if someone wants to help me in this regard, please email me!
God bless you everyone!

On 3/24/20, abdul muhamin <abdulmuhamin600@...> wrote:
Hi, Zahra, why you don’t update your operating system and the NVDA to
the latest versions to solve all your compatibility problems instead
of asking support of the old software, you should use the new and
fresh peace of software to avoid all the security risks

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: zahra
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 3:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Statement from Joseph Lee regarding NVDA add-ons
andWindows XP support requests: no more, period

hi joseph.
as i mentioned in my emails, i only need two or three fixed in newer
versions of nvda for backporting to the supported versions of nvda on
xp.
and i promise that my request does not cause nvda crashing or
unresponsiveness in any version of windows!
my requests are only specific for firefox and contains important
fixes which i am sure benefits everyone.

On 3/23/20, Joseph Lee <@joslee> wrote:
Hello NVDA users and add-on developers,



First, I would like to reiterate how important it is that everyone
listen to advice from reputable sources regarding COVID-19,
including public health officials recommending folks to exercise
social distancing for a while.
Even
if you do not feel sick, please help others by washing hands,
practice social distancing, and monitor the situation regarding the
pandemic and community spread. And since the NVDA community is a
global movement, please support each other.



Onto the matter at hand: for several days I have received requests
about NVDA add-ons and Windows XP support. Requests have included
making add-ons compatible with Windows XP again, compatibility
issues, and backporting newer NVDA bug fixes and features to users
of NVDA 2017.3, the last version compatible with Windows XP.



At the moment there is no community guidance on support for Windows
XP, with many people asking others to upgrade to newer Windows
releases. But as an individual add-on author and a contributor to
NVDA screen reader project, I would like to take this time to make
the following personal announcement:



Effective April 15, 2020, if you ask me to do one or more of the
following for Windows XP users, the answer you will get is, "sorry,
no more, period."
These include:



* Making add-ons compatible with Windows XP, Server 2003, Vista, and
Server 2008
* Fixing compatibility issues and non-working add-ons after you
knowingly install newer add-on releases on NVDA 2017.3 or earlier
* Backporting features and bug fixes from newer NVDA releases to NVDA
2017.3
* Maintaining a long-term support version of NVDA for Windows
XP/Server 2003/Vista/Server 2008 users



Most importantly, I will flatly say "no" if you ask me privately to
ask NV Access and/or add-on developers about Windows XP support.
Many features introduced in newer NVDA releases cannot be backported
for various reasons, including risk of crashing NVDA (grammar error
announcement, for example), incompatibility with Python 2 (broader
Unicode support, for example), features that will not work properly
with XP (screen curtain, for example), support for apps no longer
recommended for wider use (outlook Express, for example), and broad
changes that alters how add-ons work (speech refactor and
multi-category settings dialog, for example). Several add-on authors
have indicated reluctance to support XP, and in case of add-ons I'm
either maintaining or have passed onto the community, none of them
support NVDA
2019.2.1 or earlier, let alone Windows XP and friends.



My personal statement above will not be in effect until April so
that you can help others going through COVID-19 and for my statement
as an individual developer to sink in. Note that I'm not speaking on
behalf of other developers - others have their own policies
regarding support for Windows XP. NV Access does provide a download
link for NVDA 2017.3, the last version compatible with Windows XP.



I know my statement is a huge blow to many of you. As much as I
wanted folks to understand that end of support means end of support,
and I understand that many of you cannot afford newer equipment and
software releases (including moving to newer Windows releases), I
felt it is time to make a bold statement and say "no" to Windows XP
support. In the past, I did note on various NVDA forums that my
add-ons will not and does not support Windows XP, but didn't
announce a statement like this then, hoping that folks will
understand the reality at last. But alas, it is time to officially
close the doors to Windows XP support from my end - once again, this
is an individual developer saying this, not on behalf of the
community at large, knowing that others will make statements on their
own.



Thank you for understanding.

Cheers,

Joseph




--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali







--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali











 

hi.
did you read my explanation about american accent and i cant use newer
versions of nvda, even if i can use newer version of windows, because
of the lack of american accent with my native language?!
also, i studied hundreds of issues and realized that 2017.3 is the
best and even 2017.2 is great,

only two fixes! between hundreds of issues! which are in newer
versions of nvda that i need.

On 3/26/20, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:
Hi, Zara,


We're not trying to judge or make fun of you. I'm sure there has to be
some kind of organization in Iran where you can get a new or refurvished
computer. You may not be able to afford a brand-new computer but I'm
sure there are organizations that will help you to get a refurvished
computer with windows 10. We have all told you numerous times that you
shouldn't stay with a system that's no longer supported.


Rosemarie



On 3/26/2020 8:25 AM, zahra wrote:
i live in Iran.
numerous sanctions and expensive prices.
i really cant use newer versions because of the lack for english US
accent even if i can use newer windows.
i really cant understand UK english and i get headache, but, i can
even read hundreds of pages of english books with american accent!
i am very sad, because people judge other people whome dont know about
there needs, situations and conditions!

On 3/26/20, ely.r@... <ely.r@...> wrote:
Haret
Thanks for posting this. Joseph, Thanks for keeping unbendable about
this
request, and know that we users are strongly behind you and any other
developers that are pushed to back port or rewrite code for systems that
are
no longer supported.

Zara, there are some good options for replacing your entire computer
setup
at a very small cost. If you hope to continue to rely on a computer for
one
of your connections to the world, it is past time to give up "Old
Faithful"
and move on.

I live in Massachusetts, and though my current system is still useable, I
am
about to replace it. Our regional Commission for the Blind AT specialist
has
already asked if I will donate my current system. He will refurbish it,
remove all my data, and prepare it for another user. Not knowing where
you
live or your circumstances, these options may b available to you. Rather
than using energy to ask for reverse engineering, why not ask this
incredible list for ideas that will help you get a fresh tech start?
Rick

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Hareth
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 10:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Statement from Joseph Lee regarding NVDA add-ons and
Windows XP support requests: no more, period

Hi Joseph,
Don't waste your time. People was advising her for years now , getting
Same
respond, She just comes back with the same, and emphasize more and more.

On 3/26/20, Joseph Lee <@joslee> wrote:
Hi,
I told the community, but let me remind you again: NO, NO, NO! Yes,
I'm angry, and yes, I mean it: please do not ask the community to
email you about feature backports, as that will not happen. Sorry -
case
closed.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 4:11 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Statement from Joseph Lee regarding NVDA add-ons
and Windows XP support requests: no more, period

hi,
thanks for your message.
for several reasons, nvda 2017.3 is the best version and even 2017.2
works very well, and they work very perfect for my need.
but, two or three items which are included in newer versions of nvda,
i wish to backported to nvda 2017.3, not only for myself, but for the
benefit of all users of this versions like me!
if someone wants to help me in this regard, please email me!
God bless you everyone!

On 3/24/20, abdul muhamin <abdulmuhamin600@...> wrote:
Hi, Zahra, why you don’t update your operating system and the NVDA to
the latest versions to solve all your compatibility problems instead
of asking support of the old software, you should use the new and
fresh peace of software to avoid all the security risks

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: zahra
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 3:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Statement from Joseph Lee regarding NVDA add-ons
andWindows XP support requests: no more, period

hi joseph.
as i mentioned in my emails, i only need two or three fixed in newer
versions of nvda for backporting to the supported versions of nvda on
xp.
and i promise that my request does not cause nvda crashing or
unresponsiveness in any version of windows!
my requests are only specific for firefox and contains important
fixes which i am sure benefits everyone.

On 3/23/20, Joseph Lee <@joslee> wrote:
Hello NVDA users and add-on developers,



First, I would like to reiterate how important it is that everyone
listen to advice from reputable sources regarding COVID-19,
including public health officials recommending folks to exercise
social distancing for a while.
Even
if you do not feel sick, please help others by washing hands,
practice social distancing, and monitor the situation regarding the
pandemic and community spread. And since the NVDA community is a
global movement, please support each other.



Onto the matter at hand: for several days I have received requests
about NVDA add-ons and Windows XP support. Requests have included
making add-ons compatible with Windows XP again, compatibility
issues, and backporting newer NVDA bug fixes and features to users
of NVDA 2017.3, the last version compatible with Windows XP.



At the moment there is no community guidance on support for Windows
XP, with many people asking others to upgrade to newer Windows
releases. But as an individual add-on author and a contributor to
NVDA screen reader project, I would like to take this time to make
the following personal announcement:



Effective April 15, 2020, if you ask me to do one or more of the
following for Windows XP users, the answer you will get is, "sorry,
no more, period."
These include:



* Making add-ons compatible with Windows XP, Server 2003, Vista, and
Server 2008
* Fixing compatibility issues and non-working add-ons after you
knowingly install newer add-on releases on NVDA 2017.3 or earlier
* Backporting features and bug fixes from newer NVDA releases to NVDA
2017.3
* Maintaining a long-term support version of NVDA for Windows
XP/Server 2003/Vista/Server 2008 users



Most importantly, I will flatly say "no" if you ask me privately to
ask NV Access and/or add-on developers about Windows XP support.
Many features introduced in newer NVDA releases cannot be backported
for various reasons, including risk of crashing NVDA (grammar error
announcement, for example), incompatibility with Python 2 (broader
Unicode support, for example), features that will not work properly
with XP (screen curtain, for example), support for apps no longer
recommended for wider use (outlook Express, for example), and broad
changes that alters how add-ons work (speech refactor and
multi-category settings dialog, for example). Several add-on authors
have indicated reluctance to support XP, and in case of add-ons I'm
either maintaining or have passed onto the community, none of them
support NVDA
2019.2.1 or earlier, let alone Windows XP and friends.



My personal statement above will not be in effect until April so
that you can help others going through COVID-19 and for my statement
as an individual developer to sink in. Note that I'm not speaking on
behalf of other developers - others have their own policies
regarding support for Windows XP. NV Access does provide a download
link for NVDA 2017.3, the last version compatible with Windows XP.



I know my statement is a huge blow to many of you. As much as I
wanted folks to understand that end of support means end of support,
and I understand that many of you cannot afford newer equipment and
software releases (including moving to newer Windows releases), I
felt it is time to make a bold statement and say "no" to Windows XP
support. In the past, I did note on various NVDA forums that my
add-ons will not and does not support Windows XP, but didn't
announce a statement like this then, hoping that folks will
understand the reality at last. But alas, it is time to officially
close the doors to Windows XP support from my end - once again, this
is an individual developer saying this, not on behalf of the
community at large, knowing that others will make statements on their
own.



Thank you for understanding.

Cheers,

Joseph




--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali







--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali













--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

Sarah k Alawami
 

The answer again, is no. So upgrade or get left behind. If you don't want ot do that, then may the spyware and beeing left in the dust be on your head.

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on [twitch.](http://twitch.tv/ke7zum] Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page YOu will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 26 Mar 2020, at 4:10, zahra wrote:

hi,
thanks for your message.
for several reasons, nvda 2017.3 is the best version and even 2017.2
works very well, and they work very perfect for my need.
but, two or three items which are included in newer versions of nvda,
i wish to backported to nvda 2017.3, not only for myself, but for the
benefit of all users of this versions like me!
if someone wants to help me in this regard, please email me!
God bless you everyone!

On 3/24/20, abdul muhamin <abdulmuhamin600@...> wrote:

Hi, Zahra, why you don’t update your operating system and the NVDA to the
latest versions to solve all your compatibility problems instead of asking
support of the old software, you should use the new and fresh peace of
software to avoid all the security risks

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: zahra
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 3:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Statement from Joseph Lee regarding NVDA add-ons
andWindows XP support requests: no more, period

hi joseph.
as i mentioned in my emails, i only need two or three fixed in newer
versions of nvda for backporting to the supported versions of nvda on
xp.
and i promise that my request does not cause nvda crashing or
unresponsiveness in any version of windows!
my requests are only specific for firefox and contains important fixes
which i am sure benefits everyone.

On 3/23/20, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hello NVDA users and add-on developers,



First, I would like to reiterate how important it is that everyone listen
to
advice from reputable sources regarding COVID-19, including public health
officials recommending folks to exercise social distancing for a while.
Even
if you do not feel sick, please help others by washing hands, practice
social distancing, and monitor the situation regarding the pandemic and
community spread. And since the NVDA community is a global movement,
please
support each other.



Onto the matter at hand: for several days I have received requests about
NVDA add-ons and Windows XP support. Requests have included making
add-ons
compatible with Windows XP again, compatibility issues, and backporting
newer NVDA bug fixes and features to users of NVDA 2017.3, the last
version
compatible with Windows XP.



At the moment there is no community guidance on support for Windows XP,
with
many people asking others to upgrade to newer Windows releases. But as
an
individual add-on author and a contributor to NVDA screen reader project,
I
would like to take this time to make the following personal announcement:



Effective April 15, 2020, if you ask me to do one or more of the
following
for Windows XP users, the answer you will get is, "sorry, no more,
period."
These include:



* Making add-ons compatible with Windows XP, Server 2003, Vista, and
Server 2008
* Fixing compatibility issues and non-working add-ons after you
knowingly install newer add-on releases on NVDA 2017.3 or earlier
* Backporting features and bug fixes from newer NVDA releases to NVDA
2017.3
* Maintaining a long-term support version of NVDA for Windows
XP/Server 2003/Vista/Server 2008 users



Most importantly, I will flatly say "no" if you ask me privately to ask
NV
Access and/or add-on developers about Windows XP support. Many features
introduced in newer NVDA releases cannot be backported for various
reasons,
including risk of crashing NVDA (grammar error announcement, for
example),
incompatibility with Python 2 (broader Unicode support, for example),
features that will not work properly with XP (screen curtain, for
example),
support for apps no longer recommended for wider use (outlook Express,
for
example), and broad changes that alters how add-ons work (speech refactor
and multi-category settings dialog, for example). Several add-on authors
have indicated reluctance to support XP, and in case of add-ons I'm
either
maintaining or have passed onto the community, none of them support NVDA
2019.2.1 or earlier, let alone Windows XP and friends.



My personal statement above will not be in effect until April so that you
can help others going through COVID-19 and for my statement as an
individual
developer to sink in. Note that I'm not speaking on behalf of other
developers - others have their own policies regarding support for Windows
XP. NV Access does provide a download link for NVDA 2017.3, the last
version
compatible with Windows XP.



I know my statement is a huge blow to many of you. As much as I wanted
folks
to understand that end of support means end of support, and I understand
that many of you cannot afford newer equipment and software releases
(including moving to newer Windows releases), I felt it is time to make a
bold statement and say "no" to Windows XP support. In the past, I did
note
on various NVDA forums that my add-ons will not and does not support
Windows
XP, but didn't announce a statement like this then, hoping that folks
will
understand the reality at last. But alas, it is time to officially close
the
doors to Windows XP support from my end - once again, this is an
individual
developer saying this, not on behalf of the community at large, knowing
that
others will make statements on their own.



Thank you for understanding.

Cheers,

Joseph




--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali







--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I did read your message.

On 3/26/2020 8:36 AM, zahra wrote:
hi.
did you read my explanation about american accent and i cant use newer
versions of nvda, even if i can use newer version of windows, because
of the lack of american accent with my native language?!
also, i studied hundreds of issues and realized that 2017.3 is the
best and even 2017.2 is great,

only two fixes! between hundreds of issues! which are in newer
versions of nvda that i need.

On 3/26/20, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:
Hi, Zara,


We're not trying to judge or make fun of you. I'm sure there has to be
some kind of organization in Iran where you can get a new or refurvished
computer. You may not be able to afford a brand-new computer but I'm
sure there are organizations that will help you to get a refurvished
computer with windows 10. We have all told you numerous times that you
shouldn't stay with a system that's no longer supported.


Rosemarie



On 3/26/2020 8:25 AM, zahra wrote:
i live in Iran.
numerous sanctions and expensive prices.
i really cant use newer versions because of the lack for english US
accent even if i can use newer windows.
i really cant understand UK english and i get headache, but, i can
even read hundreds of pages of english books with american accent!
i am very sad, because people judge other people whome dont know about
there needs, situations and conditions!

On 3/26/20, ely.r@... <ely.r@...> wrote:
Haret
Thanks for posting this. Joseph, Thanks for keeping unbendable about
this
request, and know that we users are strongly behind you and any other
developers that are pushed to back port or rewrite code for systems that
are
no longer supported.

Zara, there are some good options for replacing your entire computer
setup
at a very small cost. If you hope to continue to rely on a computer for
one
of your connections to the world, it is past time to give up "Old
Faithful"
and move on.

I live in Massachusetts, and though my current system is still useable, I
am
about to replace it. Our regional Commission for the Blind AT specialist
has
already asked if I will donate my current system. He will refurbish it,
remove all my data, and prepare it for another user. Not knowing where
you
live or your circumstances, these options may b available to you. Rather
than using energy to ask for reverse engineering, why not ask this
incredible list for ideas that will help you get a fresh tech start?
Rick

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Hareth
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 10:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Statement from Joseph Lee regarding NVDA add-ons and
Windows XP support requests: no more, period

Hi Joseph,
Don't waste your time. People was advising her for years now , getting
Same
respond, She just comes back with the same, and emphasize more and more.

On 3/26/20, Joseph Lee <@joslee> wrote:
Hi,
I told the community, but let me remind you again: NO, NO, NO! Yes,
I'm angry, and yes, I mean it: please do not ask the community to
email you about feature backports, as that will not happen. Sorry -
case
closed.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 4:11 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Statement from Joseph Lee regarding NVDA add-ons
and Windows XP support requests: no more, period

hi,
thanks for your message.
for several reasons, nvda 2017.3 is the best version and even 2017.2
works very well, and they work very perfect for my need.
but, two or three items which are included in newer versions of nvda,
i wish to backported to nvda 2017.3, not only for myself, but for the
benefit of all users of this versions like me!
if someone wants to help me in this regard, please email me!
God bless you everyone!

On 3/24/20, abdul muhamin <abdulmuhamin600@...> wrote:
Hi, Zahra, why you don’t update your operating system and the NVDA to
the latest versions to solve all your compatibility problems instead
of asking support of the old software, you should use the new and
fresh peace of software to avoid all the security risks

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: zahra
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 3:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Statement from Joseph Lee regarding NVDA add-ons
andWindows XP support requests: no more, period

hi joseph.
as i mentioned in my emails, i only need two or three fixed in newer
versions of nvda for backporting to the supported versions of nvda on
xp.
and i promise that my request does not cause nvda crashing or
unresponsiveness in any version of windows!
my requests are only specific for firefox and contains important
fixes which i am sure benefits everyone.

On 3/23/20, Joseph Lee <@joslee> wrote:
Hello NVDA users and add-on developers,



First, I would like to reiterate how important it is that everyone
listen to advice from reputable sources regarding COVID-19,
including public health officials recommending folks to exercise
social distancing for a while.
Even
if you do not feel sick, please help others by washing hands,
practice social distancing, and monitor the situation regarding the
pandemic and community spread. And since the NVDA community is a
global movement, please support each other.



Onto the matter at hand: for several days I have received requests
about NVDA add-ons and Windows XP support. Requests have included
making add-ons compatible with Windows XP again, compatibility
issues, and backporting newer NVDA bug fixes and features to users
of NVDA 2017.3, the last version compatible with Windows XP.



At the moment there is no community guidance on support for Windows
XP, with many people asking others to upgrade to newer Windows
releases. But as an individual add-on author and a contributor to
NVDA screen reader project, I would like to take this time to make
the following personal announcement:



Effective April 15, 2020, if you ask me to do one or more of the
following for Windows XP users, the answer you will get is, "sorry,
no more, period."
These include:



* Making add-ons compatible with Windows XP, Server 2003, Vista, and
Server 2008
* Fixing compatibility issues and non-working add-ons after you
knowingly install newer add-on releases on NVDA 2017.3 or earlier
* Backporting features and bug fixes from newer NVDA releases to NVDA
2017.3
* Maintaining a long-term support version of NVDA for Windows
XP/Server 2003/Vista/Server 2008 users



Most importantly, I will flatly say "no" if you ask me privately to
ask NV Access and/or add-on developers about Windows XP support.
Many features introduced in newer NVDA releases cannot be backported
for various reasons, including risk of crashing NVDA (grammar error
announcement, for example), incompatibility with Python 2 (broader
Unicode support, for example), features that will not work properly
with XP (screen curtain, for example), support for apps no longer
recommended for wider use (outlook Express, for example), and broad
changes that alters how add-ons work (speech refactor and
multi-category settings dialog, for example). Several add-on authors
have indicated reluctance to support XP, and in case of add-ons I'm
either maintaining or have passed onto the community, none of them
support NVDA
2019.2.1 or earlier, let alone Windows XP and friends.



My personal statement above will not be in effect until April so
that you can help others going through COVID-19 and for my statement
as an individual developer to sink in. Note that I'm not speaking on
behalf of other developers - others have their own policies
regarding support for Windows XP. NV Access does provide a download
link for NVDA 2017.3, the last version compatible with Windows XP.



I know my statement is a huge blow to many of you. As much as I
wanted folks to understand that end of support means end of support,
and I understand that many of you cannot afford newer equipment and
software releases (including moving to newer Windows releases), I
felt it is time to make a bold statement and say "no" to Windows XP
support. In the past, I did note on various NVDA forums that my
add-ons will not and does not support Windows XP, but didn't
announce a statement like this then, hoping that folks will
understand the reality at last. But alas, it is time to officially
close the doors to Windows XP support from my end - once again, this
is an individual developer saying this, not on behalf of the
community at large, knowing that others will make statements on their
own.



Thank you for understanding.

Cheers,

Joseph




--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali







--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali











Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Sarah's right. If you get a virus or some kind of spyware, you can't say we didn't warn you.

On 3/26/2020 8:37 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
The answer again, is no. So upgrade or get left behind. If you don't want ot do that, then may the spyware  and beeing left in the dust be on your head.

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our [website.](http://www.tffppodcast.com)

to subscribe to the feed click [here](http://feeds.feedburner.com/tffp) and you can also [follow us on twitter](http://twitter.com/tffppodcast)

Our [discord](http://discord.tffppodcast.com)  is where you will know when we go live on [twitch.](http://twitch.tv/ke7zum] Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit [my main lbry page](http://lbry.tv/@ke7zum) and my [tffp lbry page](http://lbry.tv/@tffppodcast) YOu will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go [here](Http://patreon.com/tffppodcast)

On 26 Mar 2020, at 4:10, zahra wrote:

hi,
thanks for your message.
for several reasons, nvda 2017.3 is the best version and even 2017.2
works very well, and they work very perfect for my need.
but, two or three items which are included in newer versions of nvda,
i wish to backported to nvda 2017.3, not only for myself, but for the
benefit of all users of this versions like me!
if someone wants to help me in this regard, please email me!
God bless you everyone!

On 3/24/20, abdul muhamin <abdulmuhamin600@...> wrote:
Hi, Zahra, why you don’t update your operating system and the NVDA to the
latest versions to solve all your compatibility problems instead of asking
support of the old software, you should use the new and fresh peace of
software to avoid all the security risks

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: zahra
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 3:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Statement from Joseph Lee regarding NVDA add-ons
andWindows XP support requests: no more, period

hi joseph.
as i mentioned in my emails, i only need two or three fixed in newer
versions of nvda for backporting to the supported versions of nvda on
xp.
and i promise that my request does not cause nvda crashing or
unresponsiveness in any version of windows!
my requests are only specific for firefox and contains important fixes
which i am sure benefits everyone.

On 3/23/20, Joseph Lee <@joslee> wrote:
Hello NVDA users and add-on developers,



First, I would like to reiterate how important it is that everyone listen
to
advice from reputable sources regarding COVID-19, including public health
officials recommending folks to exercise social distancing for a while.
Even
if you do not feel sick, please help others by washing hands, practice
social distancing, and monitor the situation regarding the pandemic and
community spread. And since the NVDA community is a global movement,
please
support each other.



Onto the matter at hand: for several days I have received requests about
NVDA add-ons and Windows XP support. Requests have included making
add-ons
compatible with Windows XP again, compatibility issues, and backporting
newer NVDA bug fixes and features to users of NVDA 2017.3, the last
version
compatible with Windows XP.



At the moment there is no community guidance on support for Windows XP,
with
many people  asking others to upgrade to newer Windows releases. But as
an
individual add-on author and a contributor to NVDA screen reader project,
I
would like to take this time to make the following personal announcement:



Effective April 15, 2020, if you ask me to do one or more of the
following
for Windows XP users, the answer you will get is, "sorry, no more,
period."
These include:



*    Making add-ons compatible with Windows XP, Server 2003, Vista, and
Server 2008
*    Fixing compatibility issues and non-working add-ons after you
knowingly install newer add-on releases on NVDA 2017.3 or earlier
*    Backporting features and bug fixes from newer NVDA releases to NVDA
2017.3
*    Maintaining a long-term support version of NVDA for Windows
XP/Server 2003/Vista/Server 2008 users



Most importantly, I will flatly say "no" if you ask me privately to ask
NV
Access and/or add-on developers about Windows XP support. Many features
introduced in newer NVDA releases cannot be backported for various
reasons,
including risk of crashing NVDA (grammar error announcement, for
example),
incompatibility with Python 2 (broader Unicode support, for example),
features that will not work properly with XP (screen curtain, for
example),
support for apps no longer recommended for wider use (outlook Express,
for
example), and broad changes that alters how add-ons work (speech refactor
and multi-category settings dialog, for example). Several add-on authors
have indicated reluctance to support XP, and in case of add-ons I'm
either
maintaining or have passed onto the community, none of them support NVDA
2019.2.1 or earlier, let alone Windows XP and friends.



My personal statement above will not be in effect until April so that you
can help others going through COVID-19 and for my statement as an
individual
developer to sink in. Note that I'm not speaking on behalf of other
developers - others have their own policies regarding support for Windows
XP. NV Access does provide a download link for NVDA 2017.3, the last
version
compatible with Windows XP.



I know my statement is a huge blow to many of you. As much as I wanted
folks
to understand that end of support means end of support, and I understand
that many of you cannot afford newer equipment and software releases
(including moving to newer Windows releases), I felt it is time to make a
bold statement and say "no" to Windows XP support. In the past, I did
note
on various NVDA forums that my add-ons will not and does not support
Windows
XP, but didn't announce a statement like this then, hoping that folks
will
understand the reality at last. But alas, it is time to officially close
the
doors to Windows XP support from my end - once again, this is an
individual
developer saying this, not on behalf of the community at large, knowing
that
others will make statements on their own.



Thank you for understanding.

Cheers,

Joseph





--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali








--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


 

On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 11:36 AM, zahra wrote:
did you read my explanation about american accent and i cant use newer
versions of nvda, even if i can use newer version of windows, because
of the lack of american accent with my native language?!
Note - I am now speaking as group moderator.  The following is not a suggestion, and it is occurring on forum because it needs to.

Zahra, you are hereby ordered to cease and desist in all posts requesting any XP related NVDA feature back ports.  Windows XP has been out of support for over 10 years and no sane development team will waste a single second on this.

Your choice to continue using Windows XP, against all advice, is yours and yours alone.  The situation you find yourself in is a direct consequence of your choice.  It is not up to anyone else to even try to fix.

If you persist in making these posts, I will suspend your posting privileges.   It is that simple, so stop - now - and don't do it again - ever.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 

 

And since the long overdue warning has now been issued, in unequivocal terms, and this message was clearly meant as "announcement only" at the outset, the topic is now locked.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna