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Hello all,
I've noticed this strange behavior after the update of Windows 10
to version 1803. The behavior is the following. When the machine
starts and Windows 10 loads, it gets to the lock screen as it
should. Initially it all looks normal, but only for a while.
Moments after that, the lock screen displays not only the time and
date as it normally does, but user-specific information as well
(e.g. weather forecast, upcoming alarms, etc.). Not only that, but
the NVDA startup sound is heard, as if the desktop copy of NVDA is
loaded, even though it should load only when the specific user
signs in. I can't tell for sure if the desktop copy of NVDA loads,
because my NVDA settings for the desktop and secure screen copies
of it are the same. On top of that, the "Ease of access" menu
appears and NVDA starts reading its menu items one by one. This
happens when I power up the machine with "Fast Boot" enabled. I
haven't tried with "Fast Boot" disabled, but when I restart the
machine, the behavior described above does not occur. So, it must
be related to "Fast Boot" somehow. And this did not occur before
the update to version 1803 of Windows 10.
Has anyone else experienced the behavior described above? Have
you found any solutions besides turning off "Fast Boot"? Turning
off "Fast Boot" is also a solution, but I'd prefer to keep it on
if possible.
______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev
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It sounds like you have both narrator and nvda to start on the login screen, check settings in both narrator and nvda As for the other stuff you can change them in settings > personalization > lock screen So nothing unusual at all really 😃
From: Kostadin KolevSent: 17 May 2018 13:06 To: nvda@nvda.groups.ioSubject: [nvda] Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup Hello all, I've noticed this strange behavior after the update of Windows 10 to version 1803. The behavior is the following. When the machine starts and Windows 10 loads, it gets to the lock screen as it should. Initially it all looks normal, but only for a while. Moments after that, the lock screen displays not only the time and date as it normally does, but user-specific information as well (e.g. weather forecast, upcoming alarms, etc.). Not only that, but the NVDA startup sound is heard, as if the desktop copy of NVDA is loaded, even though it should load only when the specific user signs in. I can't tell for sure if the desktop copy of NVDA loads, because my NVDA settings for the desktop and secure screen copies of it are the same. On top of that, the "Ease of access" menu appears and NVDA starts reading its menu items one by one. This happens when I power up the machine with "Fast Boot" enabled. I haven't tried with "Fast Boot" disabled, but when I restart the machine, the behavior described above does not occur. So, it must be related to "Fast Boot" somehow. And this did not occur before the update to version 1803 of Windows 10. Has anyone else experienced the behavior described above? Have you found any solutions besides turning off "Fast Boot"? Turning off "Fast Boot" is also a solution, but I'd prefer to keep it on if possible. ______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev
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Hello all,
Chris, it is not so. Firstly, I don't hear Narrator speaking and
in such a case I should, because it uses a different voice from
NVDA. Secondly, I don't see the Narrator Cursor on the screen and
with my settings I should, if Narrator is running. Thirdly, I
checked in Control Panel -> Ease of access -> Change sign-in
settings and Narrator there is not set to run neither on the lock
screen, nor after I sign in.
Part of the described in my first message behavior (the one about
displaying user information on the lock screen) might be
considered as normal, specially if Microsoft have done some
changes as to how things load after a "Fast Boot". But I don't
think displaying the "Ease of access" menu without me invoking it
manually could be considered a normal behavior. And some more food
for thought: shouldn't the user's things and information be loaded
after he signs in and not before that (?).
I could, and probably will, contact Microsoft about this, but
firstly I wanted to ask if I'm the only one experiencing this. I
don't think so, because I've experienced it in my virtual machine
with Windows 10 Insider Preview, but I've attributed it to the
slowness of the virtual machine. Apparently that is not the case.
I've temporarily disabled "Fast Boot" and will test how things
go.
______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev
На 17.5.2018 г. в 15:35, Chris via
Groups.Io написа:
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
It sounds like you have both narrator and
nvda to start on the login screen, check settings in both
narrator and nvda
As for the other stuff you can change them
in settings > personalization > lock screen
So nothing unusual at all really 😃
Hello all,
I've noticed this strange behavior after the update of
Windows 10 to version 1803. The behavior is the following.
When the machine starts and Windows 10 loads, it gets to the
lock screen as it should. Initially it all looks normal, but
only for a while. Moments after that, the lock screen displays
not only the time and date as it normally does, but
user-specific information as well (e.g. weather forecast,
upcoming alarms, etc.). Not only that, but the NVDA startup
sound is heard, as if the desktop copy of NVDA is loaded, even
though it should load only when the specific user signs in. I
can't tell for sure if the desktop copy of NVDA loads, because
my NVDA settings for the desktop and secure screen copies of
it are the same. On top of that, the "Ease of access" menu
appears and NVDA starts reading its menu items one by one.
This happens when I power up the machine with "Fast Boot"
enabled. I haven't tried with "Fast Boot" disabled, but when I
restart the machine, the behavior described above does not
occur. So, it must be related to "Fast Boot" somehow. And this
did not occur before the update to version 1803 of Windows 10.
Has anyone else experienced the behavior described above?
Have you found any solutions besides turning off "Fast Boot"?
Turning off "Fast Boot" is also a solution, but I'd prefer to
keep it on if possible.
______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev
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Hey,
I indeed noticed the same thing in 1803. The NVDA start-up sound
already sounds before I have logged in and then the Ease of access
center opens.
Sincerely,
Artin Dekker
Op 17-5-2018 om 14:06 schreef Kostadin
Kolev:
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
Hello all,
I've noticed this strange behavior after the update of Windows
10 to version 1803. The behavior is the following. When the
machine starts and Windows 10 loads, it gets to the lock screen
as it should. Initially it all looks normal, but only for a
while. Moments after that, the lock screen displays not only the
time and date as it normally does, but user-specific information
as well (e.g. weather forecast, upcoming alarms, etc.). Not only
that, but the NVDA startup sound is heard, as if the desktop
copy of NVDA is loaded, even though it should load only when the
specific user signs in. I can't tell for sure if the desktop
copy of NVDA loads, because my NVDA settings for the desktop and
secure screen copies of it are the same. On top of that, the
"Ease of access" menu appears and NVDA starts reading its menu
items one by one. This happens when I power up the machine with
"Fast Boot" enabled. I haven't tried with "Fast Boot" disabled,
but when I restart the machine, the behavior described above
does not occur. So, it must be related to "Fast Boot" somehow.
And this did not occur before the update to version 1803 of
Windows 10.
Has anyone else experienced the behavior described above? Have
you found any solutions besides turning off "Fast Boot"? Turning
off "Fast Boot" is also a solution, but I'd prefer to keep it on
if possible.
______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev
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Sarah k Alawami
I noticed that to, but I'm running an ssd drive so I've always had the start chime after nvda speaks the word lock screen. 5 seconds after I hit the power button.. As for the other information I don't hear it and I didn't change anythign since the big big update.
Hey,
I indeed noticed the same thing in 1803. The NVDA start-up sound already sounds before I have logged in and then the Ease of access center opens.
Sincerely,
Artin Dekker
Op 17-5-2018 om 14:06 schreef Kostadin Kolev:
Hello all,
I've noticed this strange behavior after the update of Windows 10 to version 1803. The behavior is the following. When the machine starts and Windows 10 loads, it gets to the lock screen as it should. Initially it all looks normal, but only for a while. Moments after that, the lock screen displays not only the time and date as it normally does, but user-specific information as well (e.g. weather forecast, upcoming alarms, etc.). Not only that, but the NVDA startup sound is heard, as if the desktop copy of NVDA is loaded, even though it should load only when the specific user signs in. I can't tell for sure if the desktop copy of NVDA loads, because my NVDA settings for the desktop and secure screen copies of it are the same. On top of that, the "Ease of access" menu appears and NVDA starts reading its menu items one by one. This happens when I power up the machine with "Fast Boot" enabled. I haven't tried with "Fast Boot" disabled, but when I restart the machine, the behavior described above does not occur. So, it must be related to "Fast Boot" somehow. And this did not occur before the update to version 1803 of Windows 10.
Has anyone else experienced the behavior described above? Have you found any solutions besides turning off "Fast Boot"? Turning off "Fast Boot" is also a solution, but I'd prefer to keep it on if possible.
______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev
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Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
Suggestion one of the improvements is sound in safe
mode, so one is forced to perhaps wonder if other things are loaded prior to any
log in and if the audio is there early, it is heard. but it does not explain the
ease of access, unless this means that something has changed and hence its open.
A friend of mine has had two machines go silent on reboot from the update. it
turned out the sound hardware had been switched to us headphones not the
speaker, even though they were not plugged in.
Brian
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'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. This message sent from a Windows
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 4:40
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Strange behavior of
NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup
Hey,
I indeed noticed the same thing in 1803. The NVDA start-up sound
already sounds before I have logged in and then the Ease of access center
opens.
Sincerely,
Artin Dekker
Op 17-5-2018 om 14:06 schreef Kostadin
Kolev:
Hello all,
I've noticed this strange behavior after the update of Windows 10 to
version 1803. The behavior is the following. When the machine starts and
Windows 10 loads, it gets to the lock screen as it should. Initially it all
looks normal, but only for a while. Moments after that, the lock screen
displays not only the time and date as it normally does, but user-specific
information as well (e.g. weather forecast, upcoming alarms, etc.). Not only
that, but the NVDA startup sound is heard, as if the desktop copy of NVDA is
loaded, even though it should load only when the specific user signs in. I
can't tell for sure if the desktop copy of NVDA loads, because my NVDA
settings for the desktop and secure screen copies of it are the same. On top
of that, the "Ease of access" menu appears and NVDA starts reading its menu
items one by one. This happens when I power up the machine with "Fast Boot"
enabled. I haven't tried with "Fast Boot" disabled, but when I restart the
machine, the behavior described above does not occur. So, it must be related
to "Fast Boot" somehow. And this did not occur before the update to version
1803 of Windows 10.
Has anyone else experienced the behavior described above? Have you found
any solutions besides turning off "Fast Boot"? Turning off "Fast Boot" is
also a solution, but I'd prefer to keep it on if possible.
______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev
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Hello all,
As I said in my previous message, I've disabled "Fast Boot"
yesterday. That however, did not help for the strange behavior -
this morning I turned on my PC and the behavior was the same. So,
"Fast Boot" is not to blame here.
I'll leave it be as it is for now, until I can gather some useful
technical information and eventually report this to Microsoft.
One more thing that I'll try is to disable NVDA at startup for me
as a user and for the lock/sign-in screen and instead enable
Narrator for that. If the problem with the appearing "Ease of
access" menu persists even after that, I'll definitely report this
to Microsoft.
______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev
На 17.5.2018 г. в 17:33, Kostadin Kolev
написа:
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
Hello all,
Chris, it is not so. Firstly, I don't hear Narrator speaking
and in such a case I should, because it uses a different voice
from NVDA. Secondly, I don't see the Narrator Cursor on the
screen and with my settings I should, if Narrator is running.
Thirdly, I checked in Control Panel -> Ease of access ->
Change sign-in settings and Narrator there is not set to run
neither on the lock screen, nor after I sign in.
Part of the described in my first message behavior (the one
about displaying user information on the lock screen) might be
considered as normal, specially if Microsoft have done some
changes as to how things load after a "Fast Boot". But I don't
think displaying the "Ease of access" menu without me invoking
it manually could be considered a normal behavior. And some more
food for thought: shouldn't the user's things and information be
loaded after he signs in and not before that (?).
I could, and probably will, contact Microsoft about this, but
firstly I wanted to ask if I'm the only one experiencing this. I
don't think so, because I've experienced it in my virtual
machine with Windows 10 Insider Preview, but I've attributed it
to the slowness of the virtual machine. Apparently that is not
the case.
I've temporarily disabled "Fast Boot" and will test how things
go.
______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev
На 17.5.2018 г. в 15:35, Chris via
Groups.Io написа:
It sounds like you have both narrator and
nvda to start on the login screen, check settings in both
narrator and nvda
As for the other stuff you can change
them in settings > personalization > lock screen
So nothing unusual at all really 😃
Hello all,
I've noticed this strange behavior after the update of
Windows 10 to version 1803. The behavior is the following.
When the machine starts and Windows 10 loads, it gets to the
lock screen as it should. Initially it all looks normal, but
only for a while. Moments after that, the lock screen
displays not only the time and date as it normally does, but
user-specific information as well (e.g. weather forecast,
upcoming alarms, etc.). Not only that, but the NVDA startup
sound is heard, as if the desktop copy of NVDA is loaded,
even though it should load only when the specific user signs
in. I can't tell for sure if the desktop copy of NVDA loads,
because my NVDA settings for the desktop and secure screen
copies of it are the same. On top of that, the "Ease of
access" menu appears and NVDA starts reading its menu items
one by one. This happens when I power up the machine with
"Fast Boot" enabled. I haven't tried with "Fast Boot"
disabled, but when I restart the machine, the behavior
described above does not occur. So, it must be related to
"Fast Boot" somehow. And this did not occur before the
update to version 1803 of Windows 10.
Has anyone else experienced the behavior described above?
Have you found any solutions besides turning off "Fast
Boot"? Turning off "Fast Boot" is also a solution, but I'd
prefer to keep it on if possible.
______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev
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Kenny <kwashingtonbox@...>
Following up on this response. Is there any option to disable
the lock screen verbiage all together? Can't find any such switch
under settings -> personalization -> lock screen.
Meaning when Windows boots up; I want to be taken directly to the
screen for inputting my pin or password.
Until I get familiar with this Android style Windows 10 1803 lock
screen, I rather disable it totally for now.
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
On 5/17/2018 8:35 AM, Chris via Groups.Io wrote:
It sounds like you have both narrator and
nvda to start on the login screen, check settings in both
narrator and nvda
As for the other stuff you can change them
in settings > personalization > lock screen
So nothing unusual at all really 😃
Hello all,
I've noticed this strange behavior after the update of
Windows 10 to version 1803. The behavior is the following.
When the machine starts and Windows 10 loads, it gets to the
lock screen as it should. Initially it all looks normal, but
only for a while. Moments after that, the lock screen displays
not only the time and date as it normally does, but
user-specific information as well (e.g. weather forecast,
upcoming alarms, etc.). Not only that, but the NVDA startup
sound is heard, as if the desktop copy of NVDA is loaded, even
though it should load only when the specific user signs in. I
can't tell for sure if the desktop copy of NVDA loads, because
my NVDA settings for the desktop and secure screen copies of
it are the same. On top of that, the "Ease of access" menu
appears and NVDA starts reading its menu items one by one.
This happens when I power up the machine with "Fast Boot"
enabled. I haven't tried with "Fast Boot" disabled, but when I
restart the machine, the behavior described above does not
occur. So, it must be related to "Fast Boot" somehow. And this
did not occur before the update to version 1803 of Windows 10.
Has anyone else experienced the behavior described above?
Have you found any solutions besides turning off "Fast Boot"?
Turning off "Fast Boot" is also a solution, but I'd prefer to
keep it on if possible.
______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev
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|
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Kenny <kwashingtonbox@...>
I've experienced it too. It's like Windows is presenting me with
all of the built-in accessibility options for me to select from,
before logging into Windows. Nice for those who don't know about
them. Not so great for those of us who do.
The problem is that I've already chose NVDA as the accessibility
option to be use at startup, and having to navigate out of this
screen to reach the screen for inputting my pin is a pain.
I just want a way to disable this lock screen verbiage all together.
Let me boot up into Windows, input my pin and get started. Stop
presenting me with a bunch of stuff I don't care about. Give me a
choice in the matter would you Microsoft?
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
On 5/17/2018 10:33 AM, Kostadin Kolev wrote:
Hello all,
Chris, it is not so. Firstly, I don't hear Narrator speaking
and in such a case I should, because it uses a different voice
from NVDA. Secondly, I don't see the Narrator Cursor on the
screen and with my settings I should, if Narrator is running.
Thirdly, I checked in Control Panel -> Ease of access ->
Change sign-in settings and Narrator there is not set to run
neither on the lock screen, nor after I sign in.
Part of the described in my first message behavior (the one
about displaying user information on the lock screen) might be
considered as normal, specially if Microsoft have done some
changes as to how things load after a "Fast Boot". But I don't
think displaying the "Ease of access" menu without me invoking
it manually could be considered a normal behavior. And some more
food for thought: shouldn't the user's things and information be
loaded after he signs in and not before that (?).
I could, and probably will, contact Microsoft about this, but
firstly I wanted to ask if I'm the only one experiencing this. I
don't think so, because I've experienced it in my virtual
machine with Windows 10 Insider Preview, but I've attributed it
to the slowness of the virtual machine. Apparently that is not
the case.
I've temporarily disabled "Fast Boot" and will test how things
go.
______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev
На 17.5.2018 г. в 15:35, Chris via
Groups.Io написа:
It sounds like you have both narrator and
nvda to start on the login screen, check settings in both
narrator and nvda
As for the other stuff you can change
them in settings > personalization > lock screen
So nothing unusual at all really 😃
Hello all,
I've noticed this strange behavior after the update of
Windows 10 to version 1803. The behavior is the following.
When the machine starts and Windows 10 loads, it gets to the
lock screen as it should. Initially it all looks normal, but
only for a while. Moments after that, the lock screen
displays not only the time and date as it normally does, but
user-specific information as well (e.g. weather forecast,
upcoming alarms, etc.). Not only that, but the NVDA startup
sound is heard, as if the desktop copy of NVDA is loaded,
even though it should load only when the specific user signs
in. I can't tell for sure if the desktop copy of NVDA loads,
because my NVDA settings for the desktop and secure screen
copies of it are the same. On top of that, the "Ease of
access" menu appears and NVDA starts reading its menu items
one by one. This happens when I power up the machine with
"Fast Boot" enabled. I haven't tried with "Fast Boot"
disabled, but when I restart the machine, the behavior
described above does not occur. So, it must be related to
"Fast Boot" somehow. And this did not occur before the
update to version 1803 of Windows 10.
Has anyone else experienced the behavior described above?
Have you found any solutions besides turning off "Fast
Boot"? Turning off "Fast Boot" is also a solution, but I'd
prefer to keep it on if possible.
______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev
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Not in windows settings It is possible to have it so it logs in automatically, therefore you wont see the lock screen or login page when you boot Having said that any key press will remove the lock screen anyway
From: KennySent: 18 May 2018 10:23 To: nvda@nvda.groups.ioSubject: Re: [nvda] Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup Following up on this response. Is there any option to disable the lock screen verbiage all together? Can't find any such switch under settings -> personalization -> lock screen. Meaning when Windows boots up; I want to be taken directly to the screen for inputting my pin or password. Until I get familiar with this Android style Windows 10 1803 lock screen, I rather disable it totally for now. On 5/17/2018 8:35 AM, Chris via Groups.Io wrote:
It sounds like you have both narrator and nvda to start on the login screen, check settings in both narrator and nvda As for the other stuff you can change them in settings > personalization > lock screen So nothing unusual at all really 😃 Hello all, I've noticed this strange behavior after the update of Windows 10 to version 1803. The behavior is the following. When the machine starts and Windows 10 loads, it gets to the lock screen as it should. Initially it all looks normal, but only for a while. Moments after that, the lock screen displays not only the time and date as it normally does, but user-specific information as well (e.g. weather forecast, upcoming alarms, etc.). Not only that, but the NVDA startup sound is heard, as if the desktop copy of NVDA is loaded, even though it should load only when the specific user signs in. I can't tell for sure if the desktop copy of NVDA loads, because my NVDA settings for the desktop and secure screen copies of it are the same. On top of that, the "Ease of access" menu appears and NVDA starts reading its menu items one by one. This happens when I power up the machine with "Fast Boot" enabled. I haven't tried with "Fast Boot" disabled, but when I restart the machine, the behavior described above does not occur. So, it must be related to "Fast Boot" somehow. And this did not occur before the update to version 1803 of Windows 10. Has anyone else experienced the behavior described above? Have you found any solutions besides turning off "Fast Boot"? Turning off "Fast Boot" is also a solution, but I'd prefer to keep it on if possible. ______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev
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Do you mean the ease of access settings panel of the windows settings app is opening at login?
From: KennySent: 18 May 2018 10:30 To: nvda@nvda.groups.ioSubject: Re: [nvda] Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup I've experienced it too. It's like Windows is presenting me with all of the built-in accessibility options for me to select from, before logging into Windows. Nice for those who don't know about them. Not so great for those of us who do. The problem is that I've already chose NVDA as the accessibility option to be use at startup, and having to navigate out of this screen to reach the screen for inputting my pin is a pain.
I just want a way to disable this lock screen verbiage all together. Let me boot up into Windows, input my pin and get started. Stop presenting me with a bunch of stuff I don't care about. Give me a choice in the matter would you Microsoft?
On 5/17/2018 10:33 AM, Kostadin Kolev wrote:
Hello all, Chris, it is not so. Firstly, I don't hear Narrator speaking and in such a case I should, because it uses a different voice from NVDA. Secondly, I don't see the Narrator Cursor on the screen and with my settings I should, if Narrator is running. Thirdly, I checked in Control Panel -> Ease of access -> Change sign-in settings and Narrator there is not set to run neither on the lock screen, nor after I sign in. Part of the described in my first message behavior (the one about displaying user information on the lock screen) might be considered as normal, specially if Microsoft have done some changes as to how things load after a "Fast Boot". But I don't think displaying the "Ease of access" menu without me invoking it manually could be considered a normal behavior. And some more food for thought: shouldn't the user's things and information be loaded after he signs in and not before that (?). I could, and probably will, contact Microsoft about this, but firstly I wanted to ask if I'm the only one experiencing this. I don't think so, because I've experienced it in my virtual machine with Windows 10 Insider Preview, but I've attributed it to the slowness of the virtual machine. Apparently that is not the case. I've temporarily disabled "Fast Boot" and will test how things go. ______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev На 17.5.2018 г. в 15:35, Chris via Groups.Io написа: It sounds like you have both narrator and nvda to start on the login screen, check settings in both narrator and nvda As for the other stuff you can change them in settings > personalization > lock screen So nothing unusual at all really 😃 Hello all, I've noticed this strange behavior after the update of Windows 10 to version 1803. The behavior is the following. When the machine starts and Windows 10 loads, it gets to the lock screen as it should. Initially it all looks normal, but only for a while. Moments after that, the lock screen displays not only the time and date as it normally does, but user-specific information as well (e.g. weather forecast, upcoming alarms, etc.). Not only that, but the NVDA startup sound is heard, as if the desktop copy of NVDA is loaded, even though it should load only when the specific user signs in. I can't tell for sure if the desktop copy of NVDA loads, because my NVDA settings for the desktop and secure screen copies of it are the same. On top of that, the "Ease of access" menu appears and NVDA starts reading its menu items one by one. This happens when I power up the machine with "Fast Boot" enabled. I haven't tried with "Fast Boot" disabled, but when I restart the machine, the behavior described above does not occur. So, it must be related to "Fast Boot" somehow. And this did not occur before the update to version 1803 of Windows 10. Has anyone else experienced the behavior described above? Have you found any solutions besides turning off "Fast Boot"? Turning off "Fast Boot" is also a solution, but I'd prefer to keep it on if possible. ______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev
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Kenny <kwashingtonbox@...>
Yes, that's exactly the panel. I just want to go directly to the
field for entering my pin after startup. I find myself pressing
[Escape], [Tab] etc. multiple times just to get rid of that screen
and locate the entry field for inputting my pin.
Really is a pain in the butt!
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
On 5/18/2018 7:47 AM, Chris via Groups.Io wrote:
Do you mean the ease of access settings
panel of the windows settings app is opening at login?
From:
Kenny
Sent: 18 May 2018 10:30
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Strange behavior of NVDA and
Windows 10 at machine startup
I've experienced it too. It's like Windows is presenting me
with all of the built-in accessibility options for me to
select from, before logging into Windows. Nice for those who
don't know about them. Not so great for those of us who do.
The problem is that I've already chose NVDA as the
accessibility option to be use at startup, and having to
navigate out of this screen to reach the screen for inputting
my pin is a pain.
I just want a way to disable this lock screen verbiage all
together. Let me boot up into Windows, input my pin and get
started. Stop presenting me with a bunch of stuff I don't care
about. Give me a choice in the matter would you Microsoft?
On 5/17/2018 10:33 AM, Kostadin Kolev wrote:
Hello all,
Chris, it is not so. Firstly, I don't hear Narrator
speaking and in such a case I should, because it uses a
different voice from NVDA. Secondly, I don't see the
Narrator Cursor on the screen and with my settings I should,
if Narrator is running. Thirdly, I checked in Control Panel
-> Ease of access -> Change sign-in settings and
Narrator there is not set to run neither on the lock screen,
nor after I sign in.
Part of the described in my first message behavior (the one
about displaying user information on the lock screen) might
be considered as normal, specially if Microsoft have done
some changes as to how things load after a "Fast Boot". But
I don't think displaying the "Ease of access" menu without
me invoking it manually could be considered a normal
behavior. And some more food for thought: shouldn't the
user's things and information be loaded after he signs in
and not before that (?).
I could, and probably will, contact Microsoft about this,
but firstly I wanted to ask if I'm the only one experiencing
this. I don't think so, because I've experienced it in my
virtual machine with Windows 10 Insider Preview, but I've
attributed it to the slowness of the virtual machine.
Apparently that is not the case.
I've temporarily disabled "Fast Boot" and will test how
things go.
______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev
На 17.5.2018 г. в 15:35, Chris via
Groups.Io написа:
It sounds like you have both narrator
and nvda to start on the login screen, check settings in
both narrator and nvda
As for the other stuff you can change
them in settings > personalization > lock screen
So nothing unusual at all really 😃
Hello all,
I've noticed this strange behavior after the update of
Windows 10 to version 1803. The behavior is the following.
When the machine starts and Windows 10 loads, it gets to
the lock screen as it should. Initially it all looks
normal, but only for a while. Moments after that, the lock
screen displays not only the time and date as it normally
does, but user-specific information as well (e.g. weather
forecast, upcoming alarms, etc.). Not only that, but the
NVDA startup sound is heard, as if the desktop copy of
NVDA is loaded, even though it should load only when the
specific user signs in. I can't tell for sure if the
desktop copy of NVDA loads, because my NVDA settings for
the desktop and secure screen copies of it are the same.
On top of that, the "Ease of access" menu appears and NVDA
starts reading its menu items one by one. This happens
when I power up the machine with "Fast Boot" enabled. I
haven't tried with "Fast Boot" disabled, but when I
restart the machine, the behavior described above does not
occur. So, it must be related to "Fast Boot" somehow. And
this did not occur before the update to version 1803 of
Windows 10.
Has anyone else experienced the behavior described above?
Have you found any solutions besides turning off "Fast
Boot"? Turning off "Fast Boot" is also a solution, but I'd
prefer to keep it on if possible.
______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev
|
|
|
However else you might get rid of the problem, you
should be able to reduce it to almost insignificance by using sleep or hibernate
or whatever the Windows 10 equivalents are for these settings. There
hasn't been, since the introduction of Windows XP, any reason to shut down and
reboot more than every few days or once a week or even longer, depending on how
you use your computer. You need to shut down sometimes because just using
hibernate or sleep does the same thing as leaving the computer running without
rebooting for an extended time does. It results in instability. But
I only reboot when about a week goes by or if instability develops before
that. The way I use my computers it usually doesn't.
Gene
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2018 7:59 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at
machine startup
Yes, that's exactly the panel. I just want to go directly to the field for
entering my pin after startup. I find myself pressing [Escape], [Tab] etc.
multiple times just to get rid of that screen and locate the entry field for
inputting my pin.
Really is a pain in the butt!
On 5/18/2018 7:47 AM, Chris via Groups.Io wrote:
Do you mean the ease of access settings panel of the
windows settings app is opening at login?
From: Kenny
Sent: 18 May 2018 10:30
To:
nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda]
Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup
I've experienced it too. It's like Windows is presenting me with all of the
built-in accessibility options for me to select from, before logging into
Windows. Nice for those who don't know about them. Not so great for those of
us who do.
The problem is that I've already chose NVDA as the accessibility option to
be use at startup, and having to navigate out of this screen to reach the
screen for inputting my pin is a pain.
I just want a way to disable this lock screen verbiage
all together. Let me boot up into Windows, input my pin and get started. Stop
presenting me with a bunch of stuff I don't care about. Give me a choice in
the matter would you Microsoft?
On 5/17/2018 10:33 AM, Kostadin Kolev
wrote:
Hello all,
Chris, it is not so. Firstly, I don't hear Narrator speaking and in such
a case I should, because it uses a different voice from NVDA. Secondly, I
don't see the Narrator Cursor on the screen and with my settings I should,
if Narrator is running. Thirdly, I checked in Control Panel -> Ease of
access -> Change sign-in settings and Narrator there is not set to run
neither on the lock screen, nor after I sign in.
Part of the described in my first message behavior (the one about
displaying user information on the lock screen) might be considered as
normal, specially if Microsoft have done some changes as to how things load
after a "Fast Boot". But I don't think displaying the "Ease of access" menu
without me invoking it manually could be considered a normal behavior. And
some more food for thought: shouldn't the user's things and information be
loaded after he signs in and not before that (?).
I could, and probably will, contact Microsoft about this, but firstly I
wanted to ask if I'm the only one experiencing this. I don't think so,
because I've experienced it in my virtual machine with Windows 10 Insider
Preview, but I've attributed it to the slowness of the virtual machine.
Apparently that is not the case.
I've temporarily disabled "Fast Boot" and will test how things go.
______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev
На 17.5.2018 г. в 15:35, Chris via Groups.Io
написа:
It sounds like you have both narrator and nvda to start
on the login screen, check settings in both narrator and
nvda
As for the other stuff you can change them in settings
> personalization > lock screen
So nothing unusual at all really 😃
Hello all,
I've noticed this strange behavior after the update of Windows 10 to
version 1803. The behavior is the following. When the machine starts and
Windows 10 loads, it gets to the lock screen as it should. Initially it
all looks normal, but only for a while. Moments after that, the lock
screen displays not only the time and date as it normally does, but
user-specific information as well (e.g. weather forecast, upcoming alarms,
etc.). Not only that, but the NVDA startup sound is heard, as if the
desktop copy of NVDA is loaded, even though it should load only when the
specific user signs in. I can't tell for sure if the desktop copy of NVDA
loads, because my NVDA settings for the desktop and secure screen copies
of it are the same. On top of that, the "Ease of access" menu appears and
NVDA starts reading its menu items one by one. This happens when I power
up the machine with "Fast Boot" enabled. I haven't tried with "Fast Boot"
disabled, but when I restart the machine, the behavior described above
does not occur. So, it must be related to "Fast Boot" somehow. And this
did not occur before the update to version 1803 of Windows 10.
Has anyone else experienced the behavior described above? Have you
found any solutions besides turning off "Fast Boot"? Turning off "Fast
Boot" is also a solution, but I'd prefer to keep it on if possible.
______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev
|
|
|
In your original post you didn’t mention which version of nvda you are running Although this shouldn’t matter but if you update to nvda v18.1 but if you are running 18.1 then try reinstalling nvda and make sure it completes the install then see what happens at login It may or may not fix the issue Good luck
From: KennySent: 18 May 2018 13:59 To: nvda@nvda.groups.ioSubject: Re: [nvda] Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup Yes, that's exactly the panel. I just want to go directly to the field for entering my pin after startup. I find myself pressing [Escape], [Tab] etc. multiple times just to get rid of that screen and locate the entry field for inputting my pin. Really is a pain in the butt! On 5/18/2018 7:47 AM, Chris via Groups.Io wrote:
Do you mean the ease of access settings panel of the windows settings app is opening at login? From: Kenny
Sent: 18 May 2018 10:30
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup I've experienced it too. It's like Windows is presenting me with all of the built-in accessibility options for me to select from, before logging into Windows. Nice for those who don't know about them. Not so great for those of us who do. The problem is that I've already chose NVDA as the accessibility option to be use at startup, and having to navigate out of this screen to reach the screen for inputting my pin is a pain.
I just want a way to disable this lock screen verbiage all together. Let me boot up into Windows, input my pin and get started. Stop presenting me with a bunch of stuff I don't care about. Give me a choice in the matter would you Microsoft?
On 5/17/2018 10:33 AM, Kostadin Kolev wrote:
Hello all, Chris, it is not so. Firstly, I don't hear Narrator speaking and in such a case I should, because it uses a different voice from NVDA. Secondly, I don't see the Narrator Cursor on the screen and with my settings I should, if Narrator is running. Thirdly, I checked in Control Panel -> Ease of access -> Change sign-in settings and Narrator there is not set to run neither on the lock screen, nor after I sign in. Part of the described in my first message behavior (the one about displaying user information on the lock screen) might be considered as normal, specially if Microsoft have done some changes as to how things load after a "Fast Boot". But I don't think displaying the "Ease of access" menu without me invoking it manually could be considered a normal behavior. And some more food for thought: shouldn't the user's things and information be loaded after he signs in and not before that (?). I could, and probably will, contact Microsoft about this, but firstly I wanted to ask if I'm the only one experiencing this. I don't think so, because I've experienced it in my virtual machine with Windows 10 Insider Preview, but I've attributed it to the slowness of the virtual machine. Apparently that is not the case. I've temporarily disabled "Fast Boot" and will test how things go. ______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev На 17.5.2018 г. в 15:35, Chris via Groups.Io написа: It sounds like you have both narrator and nvda to start on the login screen, check settings in both narrator and nvda As for the other stuff you can change them in settings > personalization > lock screen So nothing unusual at all really 😃 Hello all, I've noticed this strange behavior after the update of Windows 10 to version 1803. The behavior is the following. When the machine starts and Windows 10 loads, it gets to the lock screen as it should. Initially it all looks normal, but only for a while. Moments after that, the lock screen displays not only the time and date as it normally does, but user-specific information as well (e.g. weather forecast, upcoming alarms, etc.). Not only that, but the NVDA startup sound is heard, as if the desktop copy of NVDA is loaded, even though it should load only when the specific user signs in. I can't tell for sure if the desktop copy of NVDA loads, because my NVDA settings for the desktop and secure screen copies of it are the same. On top of that, the "Ease of access" menu appears and NVDA starts reading its menu items one by one. This happens when I power up the machine with "Fast Boot" enabled. I haven't tried with "Fast Boot" disabled, but when I restart the machine, the behavior described above does not occur. So, it must be related to "Fast Boot" somehow. And this did not occur before the update to version 1803 of Windows 10. Has anyone else experienced the behavior described above? Have you found any solutions besides turning off "Fast Boot"? Turning off "Fast Boot" is also a solution, but I'd prefer to keep it on if possible. ______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev
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|
|
Kenny <kwashingtonbox@...>
I'm using a Minix Neo Mini PC box running Windows 10 1803. This
box sometimes reboots unexpectedly when using the Kodi media
center to listen to DV movies, music and radio stations.
So yes, in normal cases you wouldn't have a need to reboot your
PC too often. In my particular case it happens on a daily basis.
Why I just want to get rid of it completely.
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
On 5/18/2018 9:07 AM, Gene wrote:
However else you might get rid of
the problem, you should be able to reduce it to almost
insignificance by using sleep or hibernate or whatever the
Windows 10 equivalents are for these settings. There hasn't
been, since the introduction of Windows XP, any reason to shut
down and reboot more than every few days or once a week or
even longer, depending on how you use your computer. You need
to shut down sometimes because just using hibernate or sleep
does the same thing as leaving the computer running without
rebooting for an extended time does. It results in
instability. But I only reboot when about a week goes by or
if instability develops before that. The way I use my
computers it usually doesn't.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2018 7:59 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Strange behavior of NVDA and
Windows 10 at machine startup
Yes, that's exactly the panel. I just want to go directly to
the field for entering my pin after startup. I find myself
pressing [Escape], [Tab] etc. multiple times just to get rid of
that screen and locate the entry field for inputting my pin.
Really is a pain in the butt!
On 5/18/2018 7:47 AM, Chris via Groups.Io wrote:
Do you mean the ease of access settings
panel of the windows settings app is opening at login?
From:
Kenny
Sent: 18 May 2018 10:30
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Strange behavior of NVDA and
Windows 10 at machine startup
I've experienced it too. It's like Windows is presenting me
with all of the built-in accessibility options for me to
select from, before logging into Windows. Nice for those who
don't know about them. Not so great for those of us who do.
The problem is that I've already chose NVDA as the
accessibility option to be use at startup, and having to
navigate out of this screen to reach the screen for
inputting my pin is a pain.
I just want a way to disable this lock screen verbiage all
together. Let me boot up into Windows, input my pin and get
started. Stop presenting me with a bunch of stuff I don't
care about. Give me a choice in the matter would you
Microsoft?
On 5/17/2018 10:33 AM, Kostadin Kolev wrote:
Hello all,
Chris, it is not so. Firstly, I don't hear Narrator
speaking and in such a case I should, because it uses a
different voice from NVDA. Secondly, I don't see the
Narrator Cursor on the screen and with my settings I
should, if Narrator is running. Thirdly, I checked in
Control Panel -> Ease of access -> Change sign-in
settings and Narrator there is not set to run neither on
the lock screen, nor after I sign in.
Part of the described in my first message behavior (the
one about displaying user information on the lock screen)
might be considered as normal, specially if Microsoft have
done some changes as to how things load after a "Fast
Boot". But I don't think displaying the "Ease of access"
menu without me invoking it manually could be considered a
normal behavior. And some more food for thought: shouldn't
the user's things and information be loaded after he signs
in and not before that (?).
I could, and probably will, contact Microsoft about this,
but firstly I wanted to ask if I'm the only one
experiencing this. I don't think so, because I've
experienced it in my virtual machine with Windows 10
Insider Preview, but I've attributed it to the slowness of
the virtual machine. Apparently that is not the case.
I've temporarily disabled "Fast Boot" and will test how
things go.
______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev
На 17.5.2018 г. в 15:35, Chris via
Groups.Io написа:
It sounds like you have both narrator
and nvda to start on the login screen, check settings in
both narrator and nvda
As for the other stuff you can change
them in settings > personalization > lock screen
So nothing unusual at all really 😃
Hello all,
I've noticed this strange behavior after the update of
Windows 10 to version 1803. The behavior is the
following. When the machine starts and Windows 10 loads,
it gets to the lock screen as it should. Initially it
all looks normal, but only for a while. Moments after
that, the lock screen displays not only the time and
date as it normally does, but user-specific information
as well (e.g. weather forecast, upcoming alarms, etc.).
Not only that, but the NVDA startup sound is heard, as
if the desktop copy of NVDA is loaded, even though it
should load only when the specific user signs in. I
can't tell for sure if the desktop copy of NVDA loads,
because my NVDA settings for the desktop and secure
screen copies of it are the same. On top of that, the
"Ease of access" menu appears and NVDA starts reading
its menu items one by one. This happens when I power up
the machine with "Fast Boot" enabled. I haven't tried
with "Fast Boot" disabled, but when I restart the
machine, the behavior described above does not occur.
So, it must be related to "Fast Boot" somehow. And this
did not occur before the update to version 1803 of
Windows 10.
Has anyone else experienced the behavior described
above? Have you found any solutions besides turning off
"Fast Boot"? Turning off "Fast Boot" is also a solution,
but I'd prefer to keep it on if possible.
______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev
|
|
|
It may be overheating and rebooting. Aside
from the inconvenience, I don't know if the problem is worth looking into
further. If the computer gets that hot daily, I don't know if it might
shorten the life of the computer. But this may be a sympttom of a problem
that should be looked into. I would suggest running a utility that
measures the temperature and checking it during playing of a movie.
Gene
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2018 9:49 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at
machine startup
I'm using a Minix Neo Mini PC box running Windows 10 1803. This box sometimes
reboots unexpectedly when using the Kodi media center to listen to DV movies,
music and radio stations.
So yes, in normal cases you wouldn't have a need to reboot your PC too often.
In my particular case it happens on a daily basis. Why I just want to get rid of
it completely.
On 5/18/2018 9:07 AM, Gene wrote:
However else you might get rid of the problem,
you should be able to reduce it to almost insignificance by using sleep or
hibernate or whatever the Windows 10 equivalents are for these settings.
There hasn't been, since the introduction of Windows XP, any reason to shut
down and reboot more than every few days or once a week or even longer,
depending on how you use your computer. You need to shut down sometimes
because just using hibernate or sleep does the same thing as leaving the
computer running without rebooting for an extended time does. It results
in instability. But I only reboot when about a week goes by or if
instability develops before that. The way I use my computers it usually
doesn't.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2018 7:59 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at
machine startup
Yes, that's exactly the panel. I just want to go directly to the field for
entering my pin after startup. I find myself pressing [Escape], [Tab] etc.
multiple times just to get rid of that screen and locate the entry field for
inputting my pin.
Really is a pain in the butt!
On 5/18/2018 7:47 AM, Chris via Groups.Io wrote:
Do you mean the ease of access settings panel of the
windows settings app is opening at login?
From: Kenny
Sent: 18 May 2018 10:30
To:
nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda]
Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup
I've experienced it too. It's like Windows is presenting me with all of
the built-in accessibility options for me to select from, before logging
into Windows. Nice for those who don't know about them. Not so great for
those of us who do.
The problem is that I've already chose NVDA as the accessibility option
to be use at startup, and having to navigate out of this screen to reach the
screen for inputting my pin is a pain.
I just want a way to disable this lock screen
verbiage all together. Let me boot up into Windows, input my pin and get
started. Stop presenting me with a bunch of stuff I don't care about. Give
me a choice in the matter would you Microsoft?
On 5/17/2018 10:33 AM, Kostadin Kolev
wrote:
Hello all,
Chris, it is not so. Firstly, I don't hear Narrator speaking and in
such a case I should, because it uses a different voice from NVDA.
Secondly, I don't see the Narrator Cursor on the screen and with my
settings I should, if Narrator is running. Thirdly, I checked in Control
Panel -> Ease of access -> Change sign-in settings and Narrator
there is not set to run neither on the lock screen, nor after I sign
in.
Part of the described in my first message behavior (the one about
displaying user information on the lock screen) might be considered as
normal, specially if Microsoft have done some changes as to how things
load after a "Fast Boot". But I don't think displaying the "Ease of
access" menu without me invoking it manually could be considered a normal
behavior. And some more food for thought: shouldn't the user's things and
information be loaded after he signs in and not before that (?).
I could, and probably will, contact Microsoft about this, but firstly I
wanted to ask if I'm the only one experiencing this. I don't think so,
because I've experienced it in my virtual machine with Windows 10 Insider
Preview, but I've attributed it to the slowness of the virtual machine.
Apparently that is not the case.
I've temporarily disabled "Fast Boot" and will test how things go.
______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev
На 17.5.2018 г. в 15:35, Chris via Groups.Io
написа:
It sounds like you have both narrator and nvda to
start on the login screen, check settings in both narrator and
nvda
As for the other stuff you can change them in
settings > personalization > lock screen
So nothing unusual at all really 😃
Hello all,
I've noticed this strange behavior after the update of Windows 10 to
version 1803. The behavior is the following. When the machine starts and
Windows 10 loads, it gets to the lock screen as it should. Initially it
all looks normal, but only for a while. Moments after that, the lock
screen displays not only the time and date as it normally does, but
user-specific information as well (e.g. weather forecast, upcoming
alarms, etc.). Not only that, but the NVDA startup sound is heard, as if
the desktop copy of NVDA is loaded, even though it should load only when
the specific user signs in. I can't tell for sure if the desktop copy of
NVDA loads, because my NVDA settings for the desktop and secure screen
copies of it are the same. On top of that, the "Ease of access" menu
appears and NVDA starts reading its menu items one by one. This happens
when I power up the machine with "Fast Boot" enabled. I haven't tried
with "Fast Boot" disabled, but when I restart the machine, the behavior
described above does not occur. So, it must be related to "Fast Boot"
somehow. And this did not occur before the update to version 1803 of
Windows 10.
Has anyone else experienced the behavior described above? Have you
found any solutions besides turning off "Fast Boot"? Turning off "Fast
Boot" is also a solution, but I'd prefer to keep it on if possible.
______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev
|
|
|
Sarah k Alawami
Have you disabled the lock screen? You can do that in the admin control panel or through the rigestry. I love the console you get with windows 10 pro. No need to use the registry to turn that off. I find my system boots much faster with out it.
Hello all,
As I said in my previous message, I've disabled "Fast Boot" yesterday. That however, did not help for the strange behavior - this morning I turned on my PC and the behavior was the same. So, "Fast Boot" is not to blame here. I'll leave it be as it is for now, until I can gather some useful technical information and eventually report this to Microsoft. One more thing that I'll try is to disable NVDA at startup for me as a user and for the lock/sign-in screen and instead enable Narrator for that. If the problem with the appearing "Ease of access" menu persists even after that, I'll definitely report this to Microsoft. ______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev На 17.5.2018 г. в 17:33, Kostadin Kolev написа:
Hello all,
Chris, it is not so. Firstly, I don't hear Narrator speaking and in such a case I should, because it uses a different voice from NVDA. Secondly, I don't see the Narrator Cursor on the screen and with my settings I should, if Narrator is running. Thirdly, I checked in Control Panel -> Ease of access -> Change sign-in settings and Narrator there is not set to run neither on the lock screen, nor after I sign in. Part of the described in my first message behavior (the one about displaying user information on the lock screen) might be considered as normal, specially if Microsoft have done some changes as to how things load after a "Fast Boot". But I don't think displaying the "Ease of access" menu without me invoking it manually could be considered a normal behavior. And some more food for thought: shouldn't the user's things and information be loaded after he signs in and not before that (?). I could, and probably will, contact Microsoft about this, but firstly I wanted to ask if I'm the only one experiencing this. I don't think so, because I've experienced it in my virtual machine with Windows 10 Insider Preview, but I've attributed it to the slowness of the virtual machine. Apparently that is not the case. I've temporarily disabled "Fast Boot" and will test how things go.
______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev
На 17.5.2018 г. в 15:35, Chris via Groups.Io написа:
It sounds like you have both narrator and nvda to start on the login screen, check settings in both narrator and nvda As for the other stuff you can change them in settings > personalization > lock screen So nothing unusual at all really 😃 Hello all, I've noticed this strange behavior after the update of Windows 10 to version 1803. The behavior is the following. When the machine starts and Windows 10 loads, it gets to the lock screen as it should. Initially it all looks normal, but only for a while. Moments after that, the lock screen displays not only the time and date as it normally does, but user-specific information as well (e.g. weather forecast, upcoming alarms, etc.). Not only that, but the NVDA startup sound is heard, as if the desktop copy of NVDA is loaded, even though it should load only when the specific user signs in. I can't tell for sure if the desktop copy of NVDA loads, because my NVDA settings for the desktop and secure screen copies of it are the same. On top of that, the "Ease of access" menu appears and NVDA starts reading its menu items one by one. This happens when I power up the machine with "Fast Boot" enabled. I haven't tried with "Fast Boot" disabled, but when I restart the machine, the behavior described above does not occur. So, it must be related to "Fast Boot" somehow. And this did not occur before the update to version 1803 of Windows 10. Has anyone else experienced the behavior described above? Have you found any solutions besides turning off "Fast Boot"? Turning off "Fast Boot" is also a solution, but I'd prefer to keep it on if possible. ______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev
|
|
|
Hello all,
As I said yesterday, I'll disable NVDA from startup for me as a
user and for the sign-in screen and enable Narrator there instead.
I've done it, and here are the results. When I booted my machine
this morning, Narrator started on the lock/sign-in screen, but
that did not invoke the "Ease of access" menu. Otherwise, the
behavior is the same: moments after the lock screen appears, it
displays user information such as weather forecast, upcoming
alarms, etc. So, Microsoft definitely has changed something about
how the lock screen works in Windows 10 version 1803. I don't mind
those changes, but the appearance of the "Ease of access" menu
invoked it seams by NVDA is something that should be fixed.
Strangely enough, I've powered on my "Insider Preview" virtual
machine last night and now it does not have this behavior, even
though previously it did. The only difference in it now in
comparison with before is that now it is running a RS5 (build
17672) of Windows 10 and when the problem occurred it was running
RS4 builds of Windows 10 (builds 17134 and older). So, my guess is
that maybe there is a bug in Windows 10 RS4, which was fixed in
RS5 builds. Let's hope so... I'll keep an eye on things.
BTW: And in answer to a question I think was from Sarah - no,
I'll don't have any intentions whatsoever to disable my lock
screen, at least for now - I like it this way. 😀
______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev
На 18.5.2018 г. в 10:06, Kostadin Kolev
написа:
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
Hello all,
As I said in my previous message, I've disabled "Fast Boot"
yesterday. That however, did not help for the strange behavior -
this morning I turned on my PC and the behavior was the same.
So, "Fast Boot" is not to blame here.
I'll leave it be as it is for now, until I can gather some
useful technical information and eventually report this to
Microsoft.
One more thing that I'll try is to disable NVDA at startup for
me as a user and for the lock/sign-in screen and instead enable
Narrator for that. If the problem with the appearing "Ease of
access" menu persists even after that, I'll definitely report
this to Microsoft.
______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev
На 17.5.2018 г. в 17:33, Kostadin
Kolev написа:
Hello all,
Chris, it is not so. Firstly, I don't hear Narrator speaking
and in such a case I should, because it uses a different voice
from NVDA. Secondly, I don't see the Narrator Cursor on the
screen and with my settings I should, if Narrator is running.
Thirdly, I checked in Control Panel -> Ease of access ->
Change sign-in settings and Narrator there is not set to run
neither on the lock screen, nor after I sign in.
Part of the described in my first message behavior (the one
about displaying user information on the lock screen) might be
considered as normal, specially if Microsoft have done some
changes as to how things load after a "Fast Boot". But I don't
think displaying the "Ease of access" menu without me invoking
it manually could be considered a normal behavior. And some
more food for thought: shouldn't the user's things and
information be loaded after he signs in and not before that
(?).
I could, and probably will, contact Microsoft about this, but
firstly I wanted to ask if I'm the only one experiencing this.
I don't think so, because I've experienced it in my virtual
machine with Windows 10 Insider Preview, but I've attributed
it to the slowness of the virtual machine. Apparently that is
not the case.
I've temporarily disabled "Fast Boot" and will test how
things go.
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Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev
На 17.5.2018 г. в 15:35, Chris via
Groups.Io написа:
It sounds like you have both narrator
and nvda to start on the login screen, check settings in
both narrator and nvda
As for the other stuff you can change
them in settings > personalization > lock screen
So nothing unusual at all really 😃
Hello all,
I've noticed this strange behavior after the update of
Windows 10 to version 1803. The behavior is the following.
When the machine starts and Windows 10 loads, it gets to
the lock screen as it should. Initially it all looks
normal, but only for a while. Moments after that, the lock
screen displays not only the time and date as it normally
does, but user-specific information as well (e.g. weather
forecast, upcoming alarms, etc.). Not only that, but the
NVDA startup sound is heard, as if the desktop copy of
NVDA is loaded, even though it should load only when the
specific user signs in. I can't tell for sure if the
desktop copy of NVDA loads, because my NVDA settings for
the desktop and secure screen copies of it are the same.
On top of that, the "Ease of access" menu appears and NVDA
starts reading its menu items one by one. This happens
when I power up the machine with "Fast Boot" enabled. I
haven't tried with "Fast Boot" disabled, but when I
restart the machine, the behavior described above does not
occur. So, it must be related to "Fast Boot" somehow. And
this did not occur before the update to version 1803 of
Windows 10.
Has anyone else experienced the behavior described above?
Have you found any solutions besides turning off "Fast
Boot"? Turning off "Fast Boot" is also a solution, but I'd
prefer to keep it on if possible.
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Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev
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Hello everyone,
Has anyone ever found a solution for this? I have a new laptop with Windows 10 20H2 and NVDA 2021.2 and run into the same problem.
Kind Regarts,
Artin Dekker
On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 02:06 PM, Kostadin Kolev wrote:
Hello all,
I've noticed this strange behavior after the update of Windows 10 to version 1803. The behavior is the following. When the machine starts and Windows 10 loads, it gets to the lock screen as it should. Initially it all looks normal, but only for a while. Moments after that, the lock screen displays not only the time and date as it normally does, but user-specific information as well (e.g. weather forecast, upcoming alarms, etc.). Not only that, but the NVDA startup sound is heard, as if the desktop copy of NVDA is loaded, even though it should load only when the specific user signs in. I can't tell for sure if the desktop copy of NVDA loads, because my NVDA settings for the desktop and secure screen copies of it are the same. On top of that, the "Ease of access" menu appears and NVDA starts reading its menu items one by one. This happens when I power up the machine with "Fast Boot" enabled. I haven't tried with "Fast Boot" disabled, but when I restart the machine, the behavior described above does not occur. So, it must be related to "Fast Boot" somehow. And this did not occur before the update to version 1803 of Windows 10.
Has anyone else experienced the behavior described above? Have you found any solutions besides turning off "Fast Boot"? Turning off "Fast Boot" is also a solution, but I'd prefer to keep it on if possible.
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Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev
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Hello there, The same thing happens to me, sort of. The only thing I can’t see is the weather forecast. What I do is press escape two or three times until NvDA says secure desktop, and then, if you have a pin or password, log in with that. The desktop copy of NVDA does load, I can confirm that. best regards. Francisco
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Artin Dekker Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2021 7:52 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup Has anyone ever found a solution for this? I have a new laptop with Windows 10 20H2 and NVDA 2021.2 and run into the same problem.
On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 02:06 PM, Kostadin Kolev wrote:
Hello all, I've noticed this strange behavior after the update of Windows 10 to version 1803. The behavior is the following. When the machine starts and Windows 10 loads, it gets to the lock screen as it should. Initially it all looks normal, but only for a while. Moments after that, the lock screen displays not only the time and date as it normally does, but user-specific information as well (e.g. weather forecast, upcoming alarms, etc.). Not only that, but the NVDA startup sound is heard, as if the desktop copy of NVDA is loaded, even though it should load only when the specific user signs in. I can't tell for sure if the desktop copy of NVDA loads, because my NVDA settings for the desktop and secure screen copies of it are the same. On top of that, the "Ease of access" menu appears and NVDA starts reading its menu items one by one. This happens when I power up the machine with "Fast Boot" enabled. I haven't tried with "Fast Boot" disabled, but when I restart the machine, the behavior described above does not occur. So, it must be related to "Fast Boot" somehow. And this did not occur before the update to version 1803 of Windows 10. Has anyone else experienced the behavior described above? Have you found any solutions besides turning off "Fast Boot"? Turning off "Fast Boot" is also a solution, but I'd prefer to keep it on if possible. ______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev
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