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table navigation issues


Sean Murphy
 

All,

 

I am seeking for examples where NVDA does not correctly navigate web tables. This is a project I am involved in at work. We are collecting good and bad examples of tables. So if you have any web pages with tables that NVDA does not work with. Please share.


Gene
 

I would think this isn't related to your project, but I see instances where things look like tables to sighted readers but are not, so a screen-reader can't read them in any sort of logical manner. How often this happens, I don't know and it may be to an extent the sites I happen to look at a good deal but it is nonetheless an accessibility issue to present something that looks like a table and isn't

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Sean Murphy
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2020 2:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] table navigation issues



All,



I am seeking for examples where NVDA does not correctly navigate web tables. This is a project I am involved in at work. We are collecting good and bad examples of tables. So if you have any web pages with tables that NVDA does not work with. Please share.


Patrick Le Baudour
 

Hi,

not sure it is what you're looking for, but anyway, using firefox,
tables in microsoft docs can't be browsed using table navigation, e.g.
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/api/system.net.http.httpclient?view=netcore-3.1
for constructors properties, members, events, etc.
It did work properly on at least one other browser - i think it was internet explorer.

-- Patrick

Le 09/11/2020 à 09:25, Sean Murphy a écrit :
All,
I am seeking for examples where NVDA does not correctly navigate web tables. This is a project I am involved in at work. We are collecting good and bad examples of tables. So if you have any web pages with tables that NVDA does not work with. Please share.


Sean Randall
 

This works fine for me in Chrome and Firefox.
My only annoyance is that t for table puts me on the caption, so I cannot immediately use CTRL+alt+cursors to navigate by row or column.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick Le Baudour
Sent: 09 November 2020 10:32
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] table navigation issues

Hi,

not sure it is what you're looking for, but anyway, using firefox, tables in microsoft docs can't be browsed using table navigation, e.g.
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/api/system.net.http.httpclient?view=netcore-3.1
for constructors properties, members, events, etc.
It did work properly on at least one other browser - i think it was internet explorer.

-- Patrick
Le 09/11/2020 à 09:25, Sean Murphy a écrit :
All,

I am seeking for examples where NVDA does not correctly navigate web
tables. This is a project I am involved in at work. We are collecting
good and bad examples of tables. So if you have any web pages with
tables that NVDA does not work with. Please share.





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Gene
 

It works properly here using Firefox. I had the same experience of t placing me on the title.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Sean Randall
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2020 4:42 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] table navigation issues

This works fine for me in Chrome and Firefox.
My only annoyance is that t for table puts me on the caption, so I cannot immediately use CTRL+alt+cursors to navigate by row or column.
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick Le Baudour
Sent: 09 November 2020 10:32
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] table navigation issues

Hi,

not sure it is what you're looking for, but anyway, using firefox, tables in microsoft docs can't be browsed using table navigation, e.g.
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/api/system.net.http.httpclient?view=netcore-3.1
for constructors properties, members, events, etc.
It did work properly on at least one other browser - i think it was internet explorer.

-- Patrick
Le 09/11/2020 à 09:25, Sean Murphy a écrit :
All,

I am seeking for examples where NVDA does not correctly navigate web
tables. This is a project I am involved in at work. We are collecting
good and bad examples of tables. So if you have any web pages with
tables that NVDA does not work with. Please share.





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Gerry
 

I get a similar problem on a banking site. I use latest MS Edge and when I use T for table and then try to navigate the table using Cntrl+Alt plus cursor arrows, nvda says, not in a table cell. I then have to navigate along the rows rather than up and down the rows. It is annoying, but I can still get what I want.

Gerry

On 09/11/2020 10:42, Sean Randall wrote:
This works fine for me in Chrome and Firefox.
My only annoyance is that t for table puts me on the caption, so I cannot immediately use CTRL+alt+cursors to navigate by row or column.
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick Le Baudour
Sent: 09 November 2020 10:32
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] table navigation issues

Hi,

not sure it is what you're looking for, but anyway, using firefox, tables in microsoft docs can't be browsed using table navigation, e.g.
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/api/system.net.http.httpclient?view=netcore-3.1
for constructors properties, members, events, etc.
It did work properly on at least one other browser - i think it was internet explorer.

-- Patrick
Le 09/11/2020 à 09:25, Sean Murphy a écrit :
All,

I am seeking for examples where NVDA does not correctly navigate web
tables. This is a project I am involved in at work. We are collecting
good and bad examples of tables. So if you have any web pages with
tables that NVDA does not work with. Please share.




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Sarah k Alawami
 

This might we web dev errors, but try the fs airlines site. You do need to be logoged in to see any of the tables but trust me, you cannot use your table keys.

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On 9 Nov 2020, at 0:55, Gene wrote:

I would think this isn't related to your project, but I see instances where things look like tables to sighted readers but are not, so a screen-reader can't read them in any sort of logical manner. How often this happens, I don't know and it may be to an extent the sites I happen to look at a good deal but it is nonetheless an accessibility issue to present something that looks like a table and isn't

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Sean Murphy
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2020 2:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] table navigation issues

All,

I am seeking for examples where NVDA does not correctly navigate web tables. This is a project I am involved in at work. We are collecting good and bad examples of tables. So if you have any web pages with tables that NVDA does not work with. Please share.


Janet Brandly
 

Regarding material looking like tables but not actually being tables, I see
this a lot in email messages and sometimes in PDF documents.
Hope this helps,
Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: November 9, 2020 1:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] table navigation issues

I would think this isn't related to your project, but I see instances where
things look like tables to sighted readers but are not, so a screen-reader
can't read them in any sort of logical manner. How often this happens, I
don't know and it may be to an extent the sites I happen to look at a good
deal but it is nonetheless an accessibility issue to present something that
looks like a table and isn't

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Sean Murphy
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2020 2:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] table navigation issues



All,



I am seeking for examples where NVDA does not correctly navigate web tables.

This is a project I am involved in at work. We are collecting good and bad
examples of tables. So if you have any web pages with tables that NVDA does
not work with. Please share.


 

Well I am on a food ordering service which I use.

The sight is really crankey and stupid.

On all brousers the edge etc the site will crash and windows will become unresponsive.

Even on chrome its really crashy.

On the tablet my dad uses its really slow so yeah, its the site being so slow when loading it literally times out what is acceptable and has a lot of other access niggles.

That being said the food and the company are good to work with and the food is good to eat but oh well.

On 9/11/2020 11:56 pm, Gerry wrote:
I get a similar problem on a banking site. I use latest MS Edge and when I use T for table and then try to navigate the table using Cntrl+Alt plus cursor arrows, nvda says, not in a table cell. I then have to navigate along the rows rather than up and down the rows. It is annoying, but I can still get what I want.

Gerry



On 09/11/2020 10:42, Sean Randall wrote:
This works fine for me in Chrome and Firefox.
My only annoyance is that t for table puts me on the caption, so I cannot immediately use CTRL+alt+cursors to navigate by row or column.
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick Le Baudour
Sent: 09 November 2020 10:32
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] table navigation issues

Hi,

not sure it is what you're looking for, but anyway, using firefox, tables in microsoft docs can't be browsed using table navigation, e.g.
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/api/system.net.http.httpclient?view=netcore-3.1
for constructors properties, members, events, etc.
It did work properly on at least one other browser - i think it was internet explorer.

-- Patrick
Le 09/11/2020 à 09:25, Sean Murphy a écrit :
All,

I am seeking for examples where NVDA does not correctly navigate web
tables. This is a project I am involved in at work. We are collecting
good and bad examples of tables. So if you have any web pages with
tables that NVDA does not work with. Please share.




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Robert Logue
 

Lots of apps report tables but NVDA doesn't work with them.


Examples are the NVDA user guide and commands quick reference.


Can't move between columns with ctrl+alt+left or right keys.


Windows 2004. NVDA 2020.3. New Edge.

Firefox 73.0.1

On 2020-11-09 1:55 a.m., Gene wrote:
I would think this isn't related to your project, but I see instances where things look like tables to sighted readers but are not, so a screen-reader can't read them in any sort of logical manner.  How often this happens, I don't know and it may be to an extent the sites I happen to look at a good deal but it is nonetheless an accessibility issue to present something that looks like a table and isn't

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Sean Murphy
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2020 2:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] table navigation issues



All,



I am seeking for examples where NVDA does not correctly navigate web tables. This is a project I am involved in at work. We are collecting good and bad examples of tables. So if you have any web pages with tables that NVDA does not work with. Please share.







Gene
 

I am not using the latest NVDA but a very recent version. I tested with Edge and with the Brave Browser and was able to move properly in the quick settings page. I'm using Windows 7 but I don't think that would matter since I tested with Edge as one browser.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Logue
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2020 11:13 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] table navigation issues

Lots of apps report tables but NVDA doesn't work with them.


Examples are the NVDA user guide and commands quick reference.


Can't move between columns with ctrl+alt+left or right keys.


Windows 2004. NVDA 2020.3. New Edge.

Firefox 73.0.1


On 2020-11-09 1:55 a.m., Gene wrote:
I would think this isn't related to your project, but I see instances where things look like tables to sighted readers but are not, so a screen-reader can't read them in any sort of logical manner. How often this happens, I don't know and it may be to an extent the sites I happen to look at a good deal but it is nonetheless an accessibility issue to present something that looks like a table and isn't

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Sean Murphy
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2020 2:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] table navigation issues



All,



I am seeking for examples where NVDA does not correctly navigate web tables. This is a project I am involved in at work. We are collecting good and bad examples of tables. So if you have any web pages with tables that NVDA does not work with. Please share.








Louise Pfau
 

I have trouble accessing the table containing the list of messages in the gMail interface with NVDA 2020.3, Google Chrome,  and Microsoft Edge.  JAWS 16 recognizes the table correctly.

Louise


Sarah k Alawami
 

That I don't have issues with, I use the keys in focus mode to navigate. See gmail's help for more info by hitting question mark in focus mode then switching to browse mode to read said shortcuts.

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On 10 Nov 2020, at 12:10, Louise Pfau wrote:

I have trouble accessing the table containing the list of messages in the gMail interface with NVDA 2020.3, Google Chrome,  and Microsoft Edge.  JAWS 16 recognizes the table correctly.

Louise