The Gmail website with NVDA


Bob Cavanaugh
 

Hi all,
Well, I've been meaning to get off this list for a couple weeks now,
but new questions just keep popping up. This one has to do with the
GMail website and NVFDA. Since last September, whenever I log into my
GMail account, it loads standard view, despite me having had it set to
load basic HTML by default before then, and it changing on its own. I
was telling a friend about how I was considering moving to using Gmail
with Outlook, and she was telling me that she was able to switch back
to having basic HTML as her default view. This is the same friend who
I was mentioning last week with Zoom, so her primary screen reader is
JAWS. I think she said she uses Chrome as her default browser, and I
use Firefox. We were talking about this on Zoom just now, and she told
me that there was a button at the top of the page that says "basic
HTML." As my laptop is a touchscreen, I was able to swipe to the left
and find that button, but when I double tap on it, NVDA simply says
"activate," but does nothing, and I can't seem to get to it using the
normal keyboard commands. How do I access this?
Thanks,
Bob


Jackie
 

On 6/4/22, Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@...> wrote:
Hi all,
Well, I've been meaning to get off this list for a couple weeks now,
but new questions just keep popping up. This one has to do with the
GMail website and NVFDA. Since last September, whenever I log into my
GMail account, it loads standard view, despite me having had it set to
load basic HTML by default before then, and it changing on its own. I
was telling a friend about how I was considering moving to using Gmail
with Outlook, and she was telling me that she was able to switch back
to having basic HTML as her default view. This is the same friend who
I was mentioning last week with Zoom, so her primary screen reader is
JAWS. I think she said she uses Chrome as her default browser, and I
use Firefox. We were talking about this on Zoom just now, and she told
me that there was a button at the top of the page that says "basic
HTML." As my laptop is a touchscreen, I was able to swipe to the left
and find that button, but when I double tap on it, NVDA simply says
"activate," but does nothing, and I can't seem to get to it using the
normal keyboard commands. How do I access this?
Thanks,
Bob





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Gene
 

You shouldn't get off the list.  You should go no mail. If you unsubscribe not only do you have to resubscribe if you want to send messages to the list, but your first message must be approved, which may delay it reaching the list.  This is not something list owners can change.  It is imposed on lists by the person who runs groups.io. 

If you go no mail, you can send the list a command to resume delivery again and, since you are still a member, you don't have to wait for your first message to be approved.

There is an address you can use to go to the simple HTML view.  It isn't possible, using the standard address, to go directly to simple HTML anymore.

The address, which you should use instead of the address you are using is:
https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/h/

Gene

On 6/4/2022 3:30 PM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:
Hi all,
Well, I've been meaning to get off this list for a couple weeks now,
but new questions just keep popping up. This one has to do with the
GMail website and NVFDA. Since last September, whenever I log into my
GMail account, it loads standard view, despite me having had it set to
load basic HTML by default before then, and it changing on its own. I
was telling a friend about how I was considering moving to using Gmail
with Outlook, and she was telling me that she was able to switch back
to having basic HTML as her default view. This is the same friend who
I was mentioning last week with Zoom, so her primary screen reader is
JAWS. I think she said she uses Chrome as her default browser, and I
use Firefox. We were talking about this on Zoom just now, and she told
me that there was a button at the top of the page that says "basic
HTML." As my laptop is a touchscreen, I was able to swipe to the left
and find that button, but when I double tap on it, NVDA simply says
"activate," but does nothing, and I can't seem to get to it using the
normal keyboard commands. How do I access this?
Thanks,
Bob





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Gene
 

I saw, after I sent my last message, that Jackie sent a message with a longer link that does the same thing.  The link I sent is shorter and does the same thing.

Gene

On 6/4/2022 3:51 PM, Gene via groups.io wrote:
You shouldn't get off the list.  You should go no mail. If you unsubscribe not only do you have to resubscribe if you want to send messages to the list, but your first message must be approved, which may delay it reaching the list.  This is not something list owners can change.  It is imposed on lists by the person who runs groups.io. 

If you go no mail, you can send the list a command to resume delivery again and, since you are still a member, you don't have to wait for your first message to be approved.

There is an address you can use to go to the simple HTML view.  It isn't possible, using the standard address, to go directly to simple HTML anymore.

The address, which you should use instead of the address you are using is:
https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/h/

Gene
On 6/4/2022 3:30 PM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:
Hi all,
Well, I've been meaning to get off this list for a couple weeks now,
but new questions just keep popping up. This one has to do with the
GMail website and NVFDA. Since last September, whenever I log into my
GMail account, it loads standard view, despite me having had it set to
load basic HTML by default before then, and it changing on its own. I
was telling a friend about how I was considering moving to using Gmail
with Outlook, and she was telling me that she was able to switch back
to having basic HTML as her default view. This is the same friend who
I was mentioning last week with Zoom, so her primary screen reader is
JAWS. I think she said she uses Chrome as her default browser, and I
use Firefox. We were talking about this on Zoom just now, and she told
me that there was a button at the top of the page that says "basic
HTML." As my laptop is a touchscreen, I was able to swipe to the left
and find that button, but when I double tap on it, NVDA simply says
"activate," but does nothing, and I can't seem to get to it using the
normal keyboard commands. How do I access this?
Thanks,
Bob





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Marisane Moruthanyana
 

Hi Bob

You need first to get off the web navigation mode.
This is done by pressing nvda+spacebar.
You then may tab or shift-tab to the button labelled html basic and
press the spacebar to activate it.
Remember to get back to the navigation mode so that you are able to
use navigation keys again.

Hope you find this in order.
Marisane

On 6/4/22, Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@...> wrote:
Hi all,
Well, I've been meaning to get off this list for a couple weeks now,
but new questions just keep popping up. This one has to do with the
GMail website and NVFDA. Since last September, whenever I log into my
GMail account, it loads standard view, despite me having had it set to
load basic HTML by default before then, and it changing on its own. I
was telling a friend about how I was considering moving to using Gmail
with Outlook, and she was telling me that she was able to switch back
to having basic HTML as her default view. This is the same friend who
I was mentioning last week with Zoom, so her primary screen reader is
JAWS. I think she said she uses Chrome as her default browser, and I
use Firefox. We were talking about this on Zoom just now, and she told
me that there was a button at the top of the page that says "basic
HTML." As my laptop is a touchscreen, I was able to swipe to the left
and find that button, but when I double tap on it, NVDA simply says
"activate," but does nothing, and I can't seem to get to it using the
normal keyboard commands. How do I access this?
Thanks,
Bob






 

On Sat, Jun 4, 2022 at 04:51 PM, Gene wrote:
You shouldn't get off the list.  You should go no mail.
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Absolutely, regardless of whether it's a short or longer term break from receiving individual messages.  You also have the option to get a daily digest or a summary instead of individual messages.

Unless you are looking to permanently leave any Groups.io group, it makes a lot more sense to "hit the pause" button by going no mail than to unsubscribe.

I've posted these many times before, but, they're pertinent here:

NVDA Main Group Archive:  https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/topics

The email addresses used to interact with the NVDA Main Group:

To join:  nvda+subscribe@nvda.groups.io

To post:  nvda@nvda.groups.io

To unsubscribe:  nvda+unsubscribe@nvda.groups.io

To receive a message containing the group description, and a list of these commands:  nvda+help@nvda.groups.io

To stop receiving messages via email (you may still read messages and post on the group topics page):  nvda+nomail@nvda.groups.io

This can also be used to put a vacation stop on group messages, then use one of the following addresses to resume delivery in the format of your choice.

To receive each group message individually: nvda+single@nvda.groups.io

Single the default delivery format when you first subscribe.  To choose another, send a message to one of the addresses that follows.  When turning email back on you can use single or any of the following:

To receive group messages in an HTML formatted digests:  nvda+fulldigest@nvda.groups.io

To receive group messages in a plain text digest:  nvda+digest@nvda.groups.io

To receive a daily summary instead of individual messages:  nvda+summary@nvda.groups.io

To receive only special messages:  nvda+special@nvda.groups.io

To contact the group owner(s):  nvda+owner@nvda.groups.io

 
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Bob Cavanaugh
 

Brian,
I actually meant to post this a couple weeks ago when you last posted
this message but was looking at the list on my phone and then forgot
when I got back to my computer. Do I need to resume mail before
posting a topic to ensure I get all messages about that topic, or is
it like some discussion boards where you can subscribe to individual
topics?

On 6/4/22, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
On Sat, Jun 4, 2022 at 04:51 PM, Gene wrote:


You shouldn't get off the list.  You should go no mail.
-
Absolutely, regardless of whether it's a short or longer term break from
receiving individual messages.  You also have the option to get a daily
digest or a summary instead of individual messages.

Unless you are looking to permanently leave any Groups.io group, it makes a
lot more sense to "hit the pause" button by going no mail than to
unsubscribe.

I've posted these many times before, but, they're pertinent here:

NVDA Main Group Archive: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/topics (
https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/topics )

The email addresses used to interact with the NVDA Main Group:

To join: nvda+subscribe@nvda.groups.io ( nvda+subscribe@nvda.groups.io )

To post: nvda@nvda.groups.io ( nvda@nvda.groups.io )

To unsubscribe: nvda+unsubscribe@nvda.groups.io (
nvda+unsubscribe@nvda.groups.io )

To receive a message containing the group description, and a list of these
commands: nvda+help@nvda.groups.io ( nvda+help@nvda.groups.io )

To stop receiving messages via email (you may still read messages and post
on the group topics page): nvda+nomail@nvda.groups.io (
nvda+nomail@nvda.groups.io )

This can also be used to put a vacation stop on group messages, then use one
of the following addresses to resume delivery in the format of your choice.

To receive each group message individually: nvda+single@nvda.groups.io (
nvda+single@nvda.groups.io )

Single the default delivery format when you first subscribe.  To choose
another, send a message to one of the addresses that follows.  When turning
email back on you can use single or any of the following:

To receive group messages in an HTML formatted digests:
nvda+fulldigest@nvda.groups.io ( nvda+fulldigest@nvda.groups.io )

To receive group messages in a plain text digest: nvda+digest@nvda.groups.io
( nvda+digest@nvda.groups.io )

To receive a daily summary instead of individual messages:
nvda+summary@nvda.groups.io ( nvda+summary@nvda.groups.io )

To receive only special messages: nvda+special@nvda.groups.io (
nvda+special@nvda.groups.io )

To contact the group owner(s): nvda+owner@nvda.groups.io (
nvda+owner@nvda.groups.io )

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exceeds most of the criticisms made on the habits of the poor by the
well-housed, well-warmed, and well-fed.

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Bob Cavanaugh
 

This did work, though it seems odd that NVDA won't see that button in
browse mode. Gene, your link showed as visited in my browser, which
means that when I open my history to access the basic HTML view,
that's where it goes. My friend seemed to imply that if I used the
button on the top of the standard view page it would ask if I wanted
to set Basic HTML as my default view, which it did not. I will have to
ask her if she has one of those links bookmarked or if she just goes
to gmail.com and logs in that way.

On 6/4/22, Marisane Moruthanyana <marisanem@...> wrote:
Hi Bob

You need first to get off the web navigation mode.
This is done by pressing nvda+spacebar.
You then may tab or shift-tab to the button labelled html basic and
press the spacebar to activate it.
Remember to get back to the navigation mode so that you are able to
use navigation keys again.

Hope you find this in order.
Marisane
On 6/4/22, Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@...> wrote:
Hi all,
Well, I've been meaning to get off this list for a couple weeks now,
but new questions just keep popping up. This one has to do with the
GMail website and NVFDA. Since last September, whenever I log into my
GMail account, it loads standard view, despite me having had it set to
load basic HTML by default before then, and it changing on its own. I
was telling a friend about how I was considering moving to using Gmail
with Outlook, and she was telling me that she was able to switch back
to having basic HTML as her default view. This is the same friend who
I was mentioning last week with Zoom, so her primary screen reader is
JAWS. I think she said she uses Chrome as her default browser, and I
use Firefox. We were talking about this on Zoom just now, and she told
me that there was a button at the top of the page that says "basic
HTML." As my laptop is a touchscreen, I was able to swipe to the left
and find that button, but when I double tap on it, NVDA simply says
"activate," but does nothing, and I can't seem to get to it using the
normal keyboard commands. How do I access this?
Thanks,
Bob










Gene
 

It doesn't.  It may have at one time, I don't recall, but that can't be done now.  Even when the offer existed toward the end of its presence, it didn't work. 

However you do it, make it a bookmark or use history to open the simple HTML page, if you want to go directly there, that is how it is done.

Gene

On 6/4/2022 7:11 PM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:
This did work, though it seems odd that NVDA won't see that button in
browse mode. Gene, your link showed as visited in my browser, which
means that when I open my history to access the basic HTML view,
that's where it goes. My friend seemed to imply that if I used the
button on the top of the standard view page it would ask if I wanted
to set Basic HTML as my default view, which it did not. I will have to
ask her if she has one of those links bookmarked or if she just goes
to gmail.com and logs in that way.

On 6/4/22, Marisane Moruthanyana <marisanem@...> wrote:
Hi Bob

You need first to get off the web navigation mode.
This is done by pressing nvda+spacebar.
You then may tab or shift-tab to the button labelled html basic and
press the spacebar to activate it.
Remember to get back to the navigation mode so that you are able to
use navigation keys again.

Hope you find this in order.
Marisane
On 6/4/22, Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@...> wrote:
Hi all,
Well, I've been meaning to get off this list for a couple weeks now,
but new questions just keep popping up. This one has to do with the
GMail website and NVFDA. Since last September, whenever I log into my
GMail account, it loads standard view, despite me having had it set to
load basic HTML by default before then, and it changing on its own. I
was telling a friend about how I was considering moving to using Gmail
with Outlook, and she was telling me that she was able to switch back
to having basic HTML as her default view. This is the same friend who
I was mentioning last week with Zoom, so her primary screen reader is
JAWS. I think she said she uses Chrome as her default browser, and I
use Firefox. We were talking about this on Zoom just now, and she told
me that there was a button at the top of the page that says "basic
HTML." As my laptop is a touchscreen, I was able to swipe to the left
and find that button, but when I double tap on it, NVDA simply says
"activate," but does nothing, and I can't seem to get to it using the
normal keyboard commands. How do I access this?
Thanks,
Bob

















 

On Sat, Jun 4, 2022 at 08:03 PM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:
Do I need to resume mail before
posting a topic to ensure I get all messages about that topic, or is
it like some discussion boards where you can subscribe to individual
topics?
-
Both options exist.  Please read my tutorial: Controlling the Messages You Receive via E-Mail from Groups.io (docx) 
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What is lost using simple html? I guess what I'm asking here, is why did they change it if the two do the same jobs and the only difference is one is more accessible than the other. I'm all for simplicity, and the whole Google experience seems a bit peculiar to me. I have now got it back working in Imap and pop3, which at least means I can see the spam folder, but I guess I'll never be able to create a white list of people any more.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2022 1:23 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] The Gmail website with NVDA


It doesn't. It may have at one time, I don't recall, but that can't be
done now. Even when the offer existed toward the end of its presence,
it didn't work.

However you do it, make it a bookmark or use history to open the simple
HTML page, if you want to go directly there, that is how it is done.

Gene

On 6/4/2022 7:11 PM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:
This did work, though it seems odd that NVDA won't see that button in
browse mode. Gene, your link showed as visited in my browser, which
means that when I open my history to access the basic HTML view,
that's where it goes. My friend seemed to imply that if I used the
button on the top of the standard view page it would ask if I wanted
to set Basic HTML as my default view, which it did not. I will have to
ask her if she has one of those links bookmarked or if she just goes
to gmail.com and logs in that way.

On 6/4/22, Marisane Moruthanyana <marisanem@...> wrote:
Hi Bob

You need first to get off the web navigation mode.
This is done by pressing nvda+spacebar.
You then may tab or shift-tab to the button labelled html basic and
press the spacebar to activate it.
Remember to get back to the navigation mode so that you are able to
use navigation keys again.

Hope you find this in order.
Marisane
On 6/4/22, Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@...> wrote:
Hi all,
Well, I've been meaning to get off this list for a couple weeks now,
but new questions just keep popping up. This one has to do with the
GMail website and NVFDA. Since last September, whenever I log into my
GMail account, it loads standard view, despite me having had it set to
load basic HTML by default before then, and it changing on its own. I
was telling a friend about how I was considering moving to using Gmail
with Outlook, and she was telling me that she was able to switch back
to having basic HTML as her default view. This is the same friend who
I was mentioning last week with Zoom, so her primary screen reader is
JAWS. I think she said she uses Chrome as her default browser, and I
use Firefox. We were talking about this on Zoom just now, and she told
me that there was a button at the top of the page that says "basic
HTML." As my laptop is a touchscreen, I was able to swipe to the left
and find that button, but when I double tap on it, NVDA simply says
"activate," but does nothing, and I can't seem to get to it using the
normal keyboard commands. How do I access this?
Thanks,
Bob















Gene
 

There are a lot of capabilities that the standard view offers and is capable of that are not available in the Simple HTML view.  I would imagine the simple view isn't capable of doing some or perhaps all of them. 

As far as your white list comment, I haven't created one and I don't know if it is done in the simple view, the standard view, or both.  I won't comment further because I haven't done this except to say that that question should be on the chat list.

Gene

On 6/5/2022 3:10 AM, Brian's Mail list account via groups.io wrote:
What is lost using simple html? I guess what I'm asking here, is why did they change it if the two do the same jobs and the only difference is one is more accessible than the other. I'm all for simplicity, and the whole Google experience seems a bit peculiar to me. I have now got it back working in Imap and pop3, which at least means I can see the spam folder, but I guess I'll never be able to create a white list of people any more.
Brian



 

hi.
thanks so much for your reporting this matter.
i thought that i am the only person who has this issue.
i wish to set basic html view forever.
i dont know why it is not working anymore.

On 6/5/22, Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@...> wrote:
Hi all,
Well, I've been meaning to get off this list for a couple weeks now,
but new questions just keep popping up. This one has to do with the
GMail website and NVFDA. Since last September, whenever I log into my
GMail account, it loads standard view, despite me having had it set to
load basic HTML by default before then, and it changing on its own. I
was telling a friend about how I was considering moving to using Gmail
with Outlook, and she was telling me that she was able to switch back
to having basic HTML as her default view. This is the same friend who
I was mentioning last week with Zoom, so her primary screen reader is
JAWS. I think she said she uses Chrome as her default browser, and I
use Firefox. We were talking about this on Zoom just now, and she told
me that there was a button at the top of the page that says "basic
HTML." As my laptop is a touchscreen, I was able to swipe to the left
and find that button, but when I double tap on it, NVDA simply says
"activate," but does nothing, and I can't seem to get to it using the
normal keyboard commands. How do I access this?
Thanks,
Bob





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