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There is something not right about this release of NVDA, but I can't put my finger on it


Jaffar Sidek
 

Hi.  The subject says it somewhat but not the whole.  I somehow feel that NVDA is not functioning or responding too well, not only with windows 10 itself but with a few apps associated with it.  So let's first talk about one of NVDA's most peculiar behaviors.

This is not to say that it is happening on every Windows 10 OS, but it is certainly happening on my 20H2 version of Windows 10.


There are times when NVDA somehow insists on having it full and final say, so much so that even pressing the Ctrl key won't stop it from blabbering unnecessarily.  This particularly happens when the following apps are being opened and worked on.

1.  Android Studio.

2.  Microsoft Visual Studio 2019.

3.  the Reaper DAW.

4.  Mozilla Thunderbird.

5.  Microsoft office, especially with Word.


There is also this tendency to gradually slow down as more and more time is spent on working on windows, especially when undertaking more resource intensive work like Music production and programming.  It wasn't like this with early versions.


There are also cases where NVDA and certain Applications don't behave as expected.  I won't go into the mechanics as this is a specific NVDA list.  Suffice it to say that the Reaper DAW that used to be so Pally with NVDA is not performing as expected, and I don't think it's just the  Osara PlugIn issue either, Osara being the Open Source Access for the Reaper Application, but perhaps NVDA and Windows 10 may have a say too.  The same is happening with Android Studio.  It was a sluggish app before but still usable.  It sometimes slows down to a crawl nowadays, and only a restart of the program will do.


Now, I am not saying that NVDA is fully culpable, but It could be a whole series of problems that have cropped up as Windows got to be more "advanced" and "user friendly".  Also, UIA is known to have caused a few serious accessibility problems, and the need for NVDA to adapt to UIA bassed apps for accessibility reasons might be problematic as of now.  Reverting to an earlier version of NVDA may indeed cause more of a problem since I am not sure of the extent to which the MSAA model of earlier NVDA and Windows versions have been superceeded by the need for UIA assisted access.  So, people who are using their pcs or laptops for more involved tasks and jobs are in a bit of a no man's land at this time.


Just my two cents worth of concern.  Cheers!


 

Hi,
What happens when you:
1. Restart with add-ons disabled?
2. Tell NVDA to not accept UIA events from non-focused control? To do this, open NVDA menu/Preferences/Settings/Advanced/check the first box, then check "Enable selective registration for UI Automation events and property changes". Then click OK and RESTART NVDA.

If NVDA works better after running with add-ons off, chances are that it might be an add-on or two that's not working great with NVDA 2020.3 on your system. If selective UIA event registration helps, then it is an interesting data point for I and other developers to ponder throughout the holidays.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jaffar Sidek
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 9:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] There is something not right about this release of NVDA, but I can't put my finger on it

Hi. The subject says it somewhat but not the whole. I somehow feel that NVDA is not functioning or responding too well, not only with windows 10 itself but with a few apps associated with it. So let's first talk about one of NVDA's most peculiar behaviors.

This is not to say that it is happening on every Windows 10 OS, but it is certainly happening on my 20H2 version of Windows 10.


There are times when NVDA somehow insists on having it full and final
say, so much so that even pressing the Ctrl key won't stop it from
blabbering unnecessarily. This particularly happens when the following
apps are being opened and worked on.

1. Android Studio.

2. Microsoft Visual Studio 2019.

3. the Reaper DAW.

4. Mozilla Thunderbird.

5. Microsoft office, especially with Word.


There is also this tendency to gradually slow down as more and more time
is spent on working on windows, especially when undertaking more
resource intensive work like Music production and programming. It
wasn't like this with early versions.


There are also cases where NVDA and certain Applications don't behave as
expected. I won't go into the mechanics as this is a specific NVDA
list. Suffice it to say that the Reaper DAW that used to be so Pally
with NVDA is not performing as expected, and I don't think it's just
the Osara PlugIn issue either, Osara being the Open Source Access for
the Reaper Application, but perhaps NVDA and Windows 10 may have a say
too. The same is happening with Android Studio. It was a sluggish app
before but still usable. It sometimes slows down to a crawl nowadays,
and only a restart of the program will do.


Now, I am not saying that NVDA is fully culpable, but It could be a
whole series of problems that have cropped up as Windows got to be more
"advanced" and "user friendly". Also, UIA is known to have caused a few
serious accessibility problems, and the need for NVDA to adapt to UIA
bassed apps for accessibility reasons might be problematic as of now.
Reverting to an earlier version of NVDA may indeed cause more of a
problem since I am not sure of the extent to which the MSAA model of
earlier NVDA and Windows versions have been superceeded by the need for
UIA assisted access. So, people who are using their pcs or laptops for
more involved tasks and jobs are in a bit of a no man's land at this time.


Just my two cents worth of concern. Cheers!


Jaffar Sidek
 

HI Joseph.  Slight improvement with first case scenario, but no luck with the second.  I have only written this after trying out both cases, hence not being able to put a finger on this problem. Cheers!

On 18/11/2020 1:07 pm, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
What happens when you:
1. Restart with add-ons disabled?
2. Tell NVDA to not accept UIA events from non-focused control? To do this, open NVDA menu/Preferences/Settings/Advanced/check the first box, then check "Enable selective registration for UI Automation events and property changes". Then click OK and RESTART NVDA.

If NVDA works better after running with add-ons off, chances are that it might be an add-on or two that's not working great with NVDA 2020.3 on your system. If selective UIA event registration helps, then it is an interesting data point for I and other developers to ponder throughout the holidays.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jaffar Sidek
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 9:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] There is something not right about this release of NVDA, but I can't put my finger on it

Hi. The subject says it somewhat but not the whole. I somehow feel that NVDA is not functioning or responding too well, not only with windows 10 itself but with a few apps associated with it. So let's first talk about one of NVDA's most peculiar behaviors.

This is not to say that it is happening on every Windows 10 OS, but it is certainly happening on my 20H2 version of Windows 10.


There are times when NVDA somehow insists on having it full and final
say, so much so that even pressing the Ctrl key won't stop it from
blabbering unnecessarily. This particularly happens when the following
apps are being opened and worked on.

1. Android Studio.

2. Microsoft Visual Studio 2019.

3. the Reaper DAW.

4. Mozilla Thunderbird.

5. Microsoft office, especially with Word.


There is also this tendency to gradually slow down as more and more time
is spent on working on windows, especially when undertaking more
resource intensive work like Music production and programming. It
wasn't like this with early versions.


There are also cases where NVDA and certain Applications don't behave as
expected. I won't go into the mechanics as this is a specific NVDA
list. Suffice it to say that the Reaper DAW that used to be so Pally
with NVDA is not performing as expected, and I don't think it's just
the Osara PlugIn issue either, Osara being the Open Source Access for
the Reaper Application, but perhaps NVDA and Windows 10 may have a say
too. The same is happening with Android Studio. It was a sluggish app
before but still usable. It sometimes slows down to a crawl nowadays,
and only a restart of the program will do.


Now, I am not saying that NVDA is fully culpable, but It could be a
whole series of problems that have cropped up as Windows got to be more
"advanced" and "user friendly". Also, UIA is known to have caused a few
serious accessibility problems, and the need for NVDA to adapt to UIA
bassed apps for accessibility reasons might be problematic as of now.
Reverting to an earlier version of NVDA may indeed cause more of a
problem since I am not sure of the extent to which the MSAA model of
earlier NVDA and Windows versions have been superceeded by the need for
UIA assisted access. So, people who are using their pcs or laptops for
more involved tasks and jobs are in a bit of a no man's land at this time.


Just my two cents worth of concern. Cheers!












 

I have not noticed this as such.

However I have noticed this with waterfox and edge crashes.

Most of these are due to poorly coded websites like mega which sometimes screw things but I try to stay away from those.

I have not noticed in thunderbird.

However I have noticed that from time to time windows explorer will act stupid with nvda.

Saying all this, I spend most of my life in 1 window.

I close out when I do not need whatever it is.

I don't have skype, spotify, dropbox, etc running at startup or in the background.

Thunderbird I don't keep any mail inside the box but keep it outside as either eml files or text or html files.

I use and close programs for the web and mail when not in use.

Apart from games the programs I frequently use are winamp and notepad and even then I don't use it all the time.

I have noticed with things like outlook things can become a real pain, however I should have the faster cpu.

Technically my cpu is obselete since there are 3 and 4th generations of it out now but thats becide the point.

I guess while they release drivers for my chips I have nothing to be concerned about.

There seem to be a lot more issues with the newer chips anyway.

Bar vmware 16 which screwed up windows completely I have not noticed anything much more.

On 18/11/2020 6:00 pm, Jaffar Sidek wrote:
Hi.  The subject says it somewhat but not the whole.  I somehow feel that NVDA is not functioning or responding too well, not only with windows 10 itself but with a few apps associated with it.  So let's first talk about one of NVDA's most peculiar behaviors.

This is not to say that it is happening on every Windows 10 OS, but it is certainly happening on my 20H2 version of Windows 10.


There are times when NVDA somehow insists on having it full and final say, so much so that even pressing the Ctrl key won't stop it from blabbering unnecessarily.  This particularly happens when the following apps are being opened and worked on.

1.  Android Studio.

2.  Microsoft Visual Studio 2019.

3.  the Reaper DAW.

4.  Mozilla Thunderbird.

5.  Microsoft office, especially with Word.


There is also this tendency to gradually slow down as more and more time is spent on working on windows, especially when undertaking more resource intensive work like Music production and programming.  It wasn't like this with early versions.


There are also cases where NVDA and certain Applications don't behave as expected.  I won't go into the mechanics as this is a specific NVDA list.  Suffice it to say that the Reaper DAW that used to be so Pally with NVDA is not performing as expected, and I don't think it's just the  Osara PlugIn issue either, Osara being the Open Source Access for the Reaper Application, but perhaps NVDA and Windows 10 may have a say too.  The same is happening with Android Studio.  It was a sluggish app before but still usable.  It sometimes slows down to a crawl nowadays, and only a restart of the program will do.


Now, I am not saying that NVDA is fully culpable, but It could be a whole series of problems that have cropped up as Windows got to be more "advanced" and "user friendly".  Also, UIA is known to have caused a few serious accessibility problems, and the need for NVDA to adapt to UIA bassed apps for accessibility reasons might be problematic as of now.  Reverting to an earlier version of NVDA may indeed cause more of a problem since I am not sure of the extent to which the MSAA model of earlier NVDA and Windows versions have been superceeded by the need for UIA assisted access.  So, people who are using their pcs or laptops for more involved tasks and jobs are in a bit of a no man's land at this time.


Just my two cents worth of concern.  Cheers!







.


 

Well a lot of issues I have are usually not related to any addon at all.

The biggest issue is with waterfox 2020.09 and up, not even the developers know.

08 does still crash on some sites but not that many, and the sites it crash on crash in edge, chrome and on some other tablets so they are poorly coded sites and thats about it.

I have latest firmware and security from the manufacturer, of course windows update itself has later stuff than that go figgure, hp doesn't always update unless it needs to.

Still all that being said everything else runs as it should

My issues have to be in conjunction with either my system, or the brouser and nvda itself or all 3 or a certain type of system.

I have noticed it where programs will exit usually pontes media after its finnished a long run.

This will cause nvda to freez but the program has exited just fine so its probably some communication issue with various things.

On 18/11/2020 6:07 pm, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
What happens when you:
1. Restart with add-ons disabled?
2. Tell NVDA to not accept UIA events from non-focused control? To do this, open NVDA menu/Preferences/Settings/Advanced/check the first box, then check "Enable selective registration for UI Automation events and property changes". Then click OK and RESTART NVDA.

If NVDA works better after running with add-ons off, chances are that it might be an add-on or two that's not working great with NVDA 2020.3 on your system. If selective UIA event registration helps, then it is an interesting data point for I and other developers to ponder throughout the holidays.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jaffar Sidek
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 9:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] There is something not right about this release of NVDA, but I can't put my finger on it

Hi. The subject says it somewhat but not the whole. I somehow feel that NVDA is not functioning or responding too well, not only with windows 10 itself but with a few apps associated with it. So let's first talk about one of NVDA's most peculiar behaviors.

This is not to say that it is happening on every Windows 10 OS, but it is certainly happening on my 20H2 version of Windows 10.


There are times when NVDA somehow insists on having it full and final
say, so much so that even pressing the Ctrl key won't stop it from
blabbering unnecessarily. This particularly happens when the following
apps are being opened and worked on.

1. Android Studio.

2. Microsoft Visual Studio 2019.

3. the Reaper DAW.

4. Mozilla Thunderbird.

5. Microsoft office, especially with Word.


There is also this tendency to gradually slow down as more and more time
is spent on working on windows, especially when undertaking more
resource intensive work like Music production and programming. It
wasn't like this with early versions.


There are also cases where NVDA and certain Applications don't behave as
expected. I won't go into the mechanics as this is a specific NVDA
list. Suffice it to say that the Reaper DAW that used to be so Pally
with NVDA is not performing as expected, and I don't think it's just
the Osara PlugIn issue either, Osara being the Open Source Access for
the Reaper Application, but perhaps NVDA and Windows 10 may have a say
too. The same is happening with Android Studio. It was a sluggish app
before but still usable. It sometimes slows down to a crawl nowadays,
and only a restart of the program will do.


Now, I am not saying that NVDA is fully culpable, but It could be a
whole series of problems that have cropped up as Windows got to be more
"advanced" and "user friendly". Also, UIA is known to have caused a few
serious accessibility problems, and the need for NVDA to adapt to UIA
bassed apps for accessibility reasons might be problematic as of now.
Reverting to an earlier version of NVDA may indeed cause more of a
problem since I am not sure of the extent to which the MSAA model of
earlier NVDA and Windows versions have been superceeded by the need for
UIA assisted access. So, people who are using their pcs or laptops for
more involved tasks and jobs are in a bit of a no man's land at this time.


Just my two cents worth of concern. Cheers!












.


 

Hi,
That's intriguing. Can you enable one add-on at a time to see which add-on might be responsible for impacting performance? Also, does this happen after restarting your computer?
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jaffar Sidek
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 9:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] There is something not right about this release of NVDA, but I can't put my finger on it

HI Joseph. Slight improvement with first case scenario, but no luck with the second. I have only written this after trying out both cases, hence not being able to put a finger on this problem. Cheers!

On 18/11/2020 1:07 pm, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
What happens when you:
1. Restart with add-ons disabled?
2. Tell NVDA to not accept UIA events from non-focused control? To do this, open NVDA menu/Preferences/Settings/Advanced/check the first box, then check "Enable selective registration for UI Automation events and property changes". Then click OK and RESTART NVDA.

If NVDA works better after running with add-ons off, chances are that it might be an add-on or two that's not working great with NVDA 2020.3 on your system. If selective UIA event registration helps, then it is an interesting data point for I and other developers to ponder throughout the holidays.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jaffar
Sidek
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 9:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] There is something not right about this release of
NVDA, but I can't put my finger on it

Hi. The subject says it somewhat but not the whole. I somehow feel that NVDA is not functioning or responding too well, not only with windows 10 itself but with a few apps associated with it. So let's first talk about one of NVDA's most peculiar behaviors.

This is not to say that it is happening on every Windows 10 OS, but it is certainly happening on my 20H2 version of Windows 10.


There are times when NVDA somehow insists on having it full and final
say, so much so that even pressing the Ctrl key won't stop it from
blabbering unnecessarily. This particularly happens when the
following apps are being opened and worked on.

1. Android Studio.

2. Microsoft Visual Studio 2019.

3. the Reaper DAW.

4. Mozilla Thunderbird.

5. Microsoft office, especially with Word.


There is also this tendency to gradually slow down as more and more
time is spent on working on windows, especially when undertaking more
resource intensive work like Music production and programming. It
wasn't like this with early versions.


There are also cases where NVDA and certain Applications don't behave
as expected. I won't go into the mechanics as this is a specific NVDA
list. Suffice it to say that the Reaper DAW that used to be so Pally
with NVDA is not performing as expected, and I don't think it's just
the Osara PlugIn issue either, Osara being the Open Source Access for
the Reaper Application, but perhaps NVDA and Windows 10 may have a say
too. The same is happening with Android Studio. It was a sluggish
app before but still usable. It sometimes slows down to a crawl
nowadays, and only a restart of the program will do.


Now, I am not saying that NVDA is fully culpable, but It could be a
whole series of problems that have cropped up as Windows got to be
more "advanced" and "user friendly". Also, UIA is known to have
caused a few serious accessibility problems, and the need for NVDA to
adapt to UIA bassed apps for accessibility reasons might be problematic as of now.
Reverting to an earlier version of NVDA may indeed cause more of a
problem since I am not sure of the extent to which the MSAA model of
earlier NVDA and Windows versions have been superceeded by the need
for UIA assisted access. So, people who are using their pcs or
laptops for more involved tasks and jobs are in a bit of a no man's land at this time.


Just my two cents worth of concern. Cheers!













Jaffar Sidek
 

Hi Joseph.  The addons that I install, and mind you I have very few AddOns installed, don't impact my pc much, enabled or disabled.  It is when I get into more intensive work and use apps that depend a lot more on UIA access that My problem starts. Cheers!

On 18/11/2020 1:40 pm, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
That's intriguing. Can you enable one add-on at a time to see which add-on might be responsible for impacting performance? Also, does this happen after restarting your computer?
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jaffar Sidek
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 9:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] There is something not right about this release of NVDA, but I can't put my finger on it

HI Joseph. Slight improvement with first case scenario, but no luck with the second. I have only written this after trying out both cases, hence not being able to put a finger on this problem. Cheers!

On 18/11/2020 1:07 pm, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
What happens when you:
1. Restart with add-ons disabled?
2. Tell NVDA to not accept UIA events from non-focused control? To do this, open NVDA menu/Preferences/Settings/Advanced/check the first box, then check "Enable selective registration for UI Automation events and property changes". Then click OK and RESTART NVDA.

If NVDA works better after running with add-ons off, chances are that it might be an add-on or two that's not working great with NVDA 2020.3 on your system. If selective UIA event registration helps, then it is an interesting data point for I and other developers to ponder throughout the holidays.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jaffar
Sidek
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 9:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] There is something not right about this release of
NVDA, but I can't put my finger on it

Hi. The subject says it somewhat but not the whole. I somehow feel that NVDA is not functioning or responding too well, not only with windows 10 itself but with a few apps associated with it. So let's first talk about one of NVDA's most peculiar behaviors.

This is not to say that it is happening on every Windows 10 OS, but it is certainly happening on my 20H2 version of Windows 10.


There are times when NVDA somehow insists on having it full and final
say, so much so that even pressing the Ctrl key won't stop it from
blabbering unnecessarily. This particularly happens when the
following apps are being opened and worked on.

1. Android Studio.

2. Microsoft Visual Studio 2019.

3. the Reaper DAW.

4. Mozilla Thunderbird.

5. Microsoft office, especially with Word.


There is also this tendency to gradually slow down as more and more
time is spent on working on windows, especially when undertaking more
resource intensive work like Music production and programming. It
wasn't like this with early versions.


There are also cases where NVDA and certain Applications don't behave
as expected. I won't go into the mechanics as this is a specific NVDA
list. Suffice it to say that the Reaper DAW that used to be so Pally
with NVDA is not performing as expected, and I don't think it's just
the Osara PlugIn issue either, Osara being the Open Source Access for
the Reaper Application, but perhaps NVDA and Windows 10 may have a say
too. The same is happening with Android Studio. It was a sluggish
app before but still usable. It sometimes slows down to a crawl
nowadays, and only a restart of the program will do.


Now, I am not saying that NVDA is fully culpable, but It could be a
whole series of problems that have cropped up as Windows got to be
more "advanced" and "user friendly". Also, UIA is known to have
caused a few serious accessibility problems, and the need for NVDA to
adapt to UIA bassed apps for accessibility reasons might be problematic as of now.
Reverting to an earlier version of NVDA may indeed cause more of a
problem since I am not sure of the extent to which the MSAA model of
earlier NVDA and Windows versions have been superceeded by the need
for UIA assisted access. So, people who are using their pcs or
laptops for more involved tasks and jobs are in a bit of a no man's land at this time.


Just my two cents worth of concern. Cheers!




















 

Hi,
Makes sense. At this point, I have no other suggestions for us to try.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jaffar Sidek
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 10:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] There is something not right about this release of NVDA, but I can't put my finger on it

Hi Joseph. The addons that I install, and mind you I have very few AddOns installed, don't impact my pc much, enabled or disabled. It is when I get into more intensive work and use apps that depend a lot more on UIA access that My problem starts. Cheers!

On 18/11/2020 1:40 pm, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
That's intriguing. Can you enable one add-on at a time to see which add-on might be responsible for impacting performance? Also, does this happen after restarting your computer?
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jaffar
Sidek
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 9:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] There is something not right about this release of
NVDA, but I can't put my finger on it

HI Joseph. Slight improvement with first case scenario, but no luck with the second. I have only written this after trying out both cases, hence not being able to put a finger on this problem. Cheers!

On 18/11/2020 1:07 pm, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
What happens when you:
1. Restart with add-ons disabled?
2. Tell NVDA to not accept UIA events from non-focused control? To do this, open NVDA menu/Preferences/Settings/Advanced/check the first box, then check "Enable selective registration for UI Automation events and property changes". Then click OK and RESTART NVDA.

If NVDA works better after running with add-ons off, chances are that it might be an add-on or two that's not working great with NVDA 2020.3 on your system. If selective UIA event registration helps, then it is an interesting data point for I and other developers to ponder throughout the holidays.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jaffar
Sidek
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 9:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] There is something not right about this release of
NVDA, but I can't put my finger on it

Hi. The subject says it somewhat but not the whole. I somehow feel that NVDA is not functioning or responding too well, not only with windows 10 itself but with a few apps associated with it. So let's first talk about one of NVDA's most peculiar behaviors.

This is not to say that it is happening on every Windows 10 OS, but it is certainly happening on my 20H2 version of Windows 10.


There are times when NVDA somehow insists on having it full and final
say, so much so that even pressing the Ctrl key won't stop it from
blabbering unnecessarily. This particularly happens when the
following apps are being opened and worked on.

1. Android Studio.

2. Microsoft Visual Studio 2019.

3. the Reaper DAW.

4. Mozilla Thunderbird.

5. Microsoft office, especially with Word.


There is also this tendency to gradually slow down as more and more
time is spent on working on windows, especially when undertaking more
resource intensive work like Music production and programming. It
wasn't like this with early versions.


There are also cases where NVDA and certain Applications don't behave
as expected. I won't go into the mechanics as this is a specific
NVDA list. Suffice it to say that the Reaper DAW that used to be so
Pally with NVDA is not performing as expected, and I don't think it's
just the Osara PlugIn issue either, Osara being the Open Source
Access for the Reaper Application, but perhaps NVDA and Windows 10
may have a say too. The same is happening with Android Studio. It
was a sluggish app before but still usable. It sometimes slows down
to a crawl nowadays, and only a restart of the program will do.


Now, I am not saying that NVDA is fully culpable, but It could be a
whole series of problems that have cropped up as Windows got to be
more "advanced" and "user friendly". Also, UIA is known to have
caused a few serious accessibility problems, and the need for NVDA to
adapt to UIA bassed apps for accessibility reasons might be problematic as of now.
Reverting to an earlier version of NVDA may indeed cause more of a
problem since I am not sure of the extent to which the MSAA model of
earlier NVDA and Windows versions have been superceeded by the need
for UIA assisted access. So, people who are using their pcs or
laptops for more involved tasks and jobs are in a bit of a no man's land at this time.


Just my two cents worth of concern. Cheers!





















Rowen Cary
 

Hi, joseph

Yes, in my personal experience, NVDA does not work well in MS Word, and it is even worse in VS2019. It is common to get stuck without saying anything.
When I enable UIA support in WORD, the comments in the document become unreadable, so that I dare not enable UIA in Word at all.


Blaster
 

Jaffar, I can confirm the Ctrl key not stopping speech in some cases.
I can't find a way to reproduce this to share with the list as of yet,
but I wanted to chime in and let you know it has happened to me as
well after the 20H2 update. If I can make it happen and document the
steps to reproduce this issue, I'll report bak.

Kind regards,Blaster

On 11/18/20, Rowen Cary <manchen_0528@...> wrote:
Hi, joseph

Yes, in my personal experience, NVDA does not work well in MS Word, and it
is even worse in VS2019. It is common to get stuck without saying anything.
When I enable UIA support in WORD, the comments in the document become
unreadable, so that I dare not enable UIA in Word at all.






Gene
 

This may not be related but for a long time, there have been certain instances in which the control key doesn't stop speech. In such a case, everything in a dialog is spoken and the user must wait for everything to be said before moving and hearing the resulgts of movement or taking another action that causes speech. You can leave the dialog and stop the speech that way but if you enter it again, speech begins over again from the beginning.

I've seen this happen in an installer now and then and it is especially disruptive when a license agreement is presented. You either hear it all read, or use a different screen-reader.

I can send a speciffic program, the actual files, it’s a portable program for those who want to see by working with such an instance, what is going on.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Blaster
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 12:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] There is something not right about this release of NVDA, but I can't put my finger on it

Jaffar, I can confirm the Ctrl key not stopping speech in some cases.
I can't find a way to reproduce this to share with the list as of yet,
but I wanted to chime in and let you know it has happened to me as
well after the 20H2 update. If I can make it happen and document the
steps to reproduce this issue, I'll report bak.

Kind regards,Blaster


On 11/18/20, Rowen Cary <manchen_0528@...> wrote:
Hi, joseph

Yes, in my personal experience, NVDA does not work well in MS Word, and it
is even worse in VS2019. It is common to get stuck without saying anything.
When I enable UIA support in WORD, the comments in the document become
unreadable, so that I dare not enable UIA in Word at all.






Quentin Christensen
 

I don't really have a solution (aside from the usual of creating a github issue for anything you can repro or get a debug log for).  Just thought I'd post to say I'm reading the thread, also for control not always stopping speech immediately, I have found in cases like that, SHIFT is often more immediate (with the advantage you can press it again to keep reading from where it stopped).

Quentin

On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 5:45 AM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
This may not be related but for a long time, there have been certain
instances in which the control key doesn't stop speech.  In such a case,
everything in a dialog is spoken and the user must wait for everything to be
said before moving and hearing the resulgts of movement or taking another
action that causes speech.  You can leave the dialog and stop the speech
that way but if you enter it again, speech begins over again from the
beginning.

I've seen this happen in an installer now and then and it is especially
disruptive when a license agreement is presented.  You either hear it all
read, or use a different screen-reader.

I can send a speciffic program, the actual files, it’s a portable program
for those who want to see by working with such an instance, what is going
on.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Blaster
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 12:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] There is something not right about this release of NVDA,
but I can't put my finger on it

Jaffar,  I can confirm the Ctrl key not stopping speech in some cases.
I can't find a way to reproduce this to share with the list as of yet,
but I wanted to chime in and let you know it has happened to me as
well after the 20H2 update. If I can make it happen and document the
steps to reproduce this issue, I'll report bak.

Kind regards,Blaster


On 11/18/20, Rowen Cary <manchen_0528@...> wrote:
> Hi, joseph
>
> Yes, in my personal experience, NVDA does not work well in MS Word, and it
> is even worse in VS2019. It is common to get stuck without saying
> anything.
> When I enable UIA support in WORD, the comments in the document become
> unreadable, so that I dare not enable UIA in Word at all.
>
>
>
>
>
>











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Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


 

On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 05:50 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
I have found in cases like that, SHIFT is often more immediate (with the advantage you can press it again to keep reading from where it stopped).
-
This just shows how much a creature of habit I have become.  Even though I have looked at the Commands Quick Reference I can't even count how many times and never noticed this, always using CTRL (or ESC, which has the same effect on speech - stopping it immediately).

I can easily see SHIFT becoming the go-to pause speech command, as the ability to pick up right where you paused [if the synthesizer supports same] is something that comes in incredibly handy in so many instances!
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell

 


Quentin Christensen
 

CONTROL was always the traditional command, although since SHIFT works (and sometimes as noted, more effectively) with eSpeak-NG and Windows OneCore at least, I've moved to recommending that more now.  Last I checked, it didn't work with some of the third party synths, but of course that is open to change as things get updated.


On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 10:41 AM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 05:50 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
I have found in cases like that, SHIFT is often more immediate (with the advantage you can press it again to keep reading from where it stopped).
-
This just shows how much a creature of habit I have become.  Even though I have looked at the Commands Quick Reference I can't even count how many times and never noticed this, always using CTRL (or ESC, which has the same effect on speech - stopping it immediately).

I can easily see SHIFT becoming the go-to pause speech command, as the ability to pick up right where you paused [if the synthesizer supports same] is something that comes in incredibly handy in so many instances!
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell

 



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Jaffar Sidek
 

Hi.  The shift key to pause speech definitely works fine when you are perusing a document.  But when you are doing something else, like debugging a program or recording a music track, the shift key is of no use whatsoever because you do not want to be burdened with extraneous and useless info that either makes no sense, or might make sense but which is info you don't need at that particular moment, hence the need for the control key to shut up the unnecessary blabbering.  Cheers!

On 19/11/2020 7:41 am, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 05:50 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
I have found in cases like that, SHIFT is often more immediate (with the advantage you can press it again to keep reading from where it stopped).
-
This just shows how much a creature of habit I have become.  Even though I have looked at the Commands Quick Reference I can't even count how many times and never noticed this, always using CTRL (or ESC, which has the same effect on speech - stopping it immediately).

I can easily see SHIFT becoming the go-to pause speech command, as the ability to pick up right where you paused [if the synthesizer supports same] is something that comes in incredibly handy in so many instances!
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell

 


 

Even screen reader commands fall into the scope of my oft-repeated truism:  tool to task.

It's also generally true that there are several ways to accomplish something like shushing a screen reader, and the exact one needs to be chosen by circumstance.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell