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Touchscreens?


rob
 

Hi folks

Today, I received a linx 8, windows tablet. Running windows 8.1, after getting set up with some sighted assistance to install NVDA. and before anyone says it, reading the user guide, I find myself completely lost and baffled as to how one goes about using a touchscreen with nvda.

All of the gestures mentioned in the guide, such as, two finger double tap to open the nvda menu, three finger tap to change touch modes, flicking from left to right, up/down. double tapping, fail to register. I get some information when putting my finger on a random part of the screen, or sliding around, but nothing worth mentioning.

Am I missing something, or is it just very buggy?
also, I'm using nvda 16.1

Regards

Rob


Kevin Chao
 

Have you tried the gestures in practice mode? (similar to keyboard learn, but for gestures)


On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 8:57 AM rob <rob@...> wrote:
Hi folks

Today, I received a linx 8, windows tablet. Running windows 8.1, after
getting set up  with some sighted assistance to install NVDA. and before
anyone says it, reading the user guide, I find myself completely lost
and baffled as to how one goes about using a touchscreen with nvda.

All of the gestures mentioned in the guide, such as, two finger double
tap to open the nvda menu, three finger tap to change touch modes,
flicking from left to right, up/down. double tapping, fail to register.
I get some information when putting my finger on a random part of the
screen, or sliding around, but nothing worth mentioning.

Am I missing something, or is it just very buggy?
  also, I'm using nvda 16.1

Regards

Rob




Chris
 

yeah you do lose some of the touch screen functionality when using together with a screen reader
Narrator is probably the best to use in conjunction with a touch screen and gestures, but that has its own issues as youn may know

you may want to try the enhanced gestures add-on for nvda, that may improve things a bit

good luck

On 20/03/2016 15:56, rob wrote:
Hi folks

Today, I received a linx 8, windows tablet. Running windows 8.1, after getting set up with some sighted assistance to install NVDA. and before anyone says it, reading the user guide, I find myself completely lost and baffled as to how one goes about using a touchscreen with nvda.

All of the gestures mentioned in the guide, such as, two finger double tap to open the nvda menu, three finger tap to change touch modes, flicking from left to right, up/down. double tapping, fail to register. I get some information when putting my finger on a random part of the screen, or sliding around, but nothing worth mentioning.

Am I missing something, or is it just very buggy?
also, I'm using nvda 16.1

Regards

Rob


rob
 

Hi

Not sure how to turn practice mode on, can't see anything about it in the manual, and I don't have a keyboard yet.

Rob

On 20/03/2016 16:14, Kevin Chao wrote:
Have you tried the gestures in practice mode? (similar to keyboard learn, but for gestures)

On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 8:57 AM rob <rob@...> wrote:
Hi folks

Today, I received a linx 8, windows tablet. Running windows 8.1, after
getting set up  with some sighted assistance to install NVDA. and before
anyone says it, reading the user guide, I find myself completely lost
and baffled as to how one goes about using a touchscreen with nvda.

All of the gestures mentioned in the guide, such as, two finger double
tap to open the nvda menu, three finger tap to change touch modes,
flicking from left to right, up/down. double tapping, fail to register.
I get some information when putting my finger on a random part of the
screen, or sliding around, but nothing worth mentioning.

Am I missing something, or is it just very buggy?
  also, I'm using nvda 16.1

Regards

Rob





rob
 

Hi chris

The issue is that I honestly can't use the tablet at all the way it is at the moment, so I'd need a keyboard to be able to install an addon.
I don't even know how useable the tablet would be with nvda running for a sighted person.

I have a bluetooth keyboard, but obviously can't get into settings to connect it.

Rob

On 20/03/2016 16:20, Chris wrote:
yeah you do lose some of the touch screen functionality when using together with a screen reader
Narrator is probably the best to use in conjunction with a touch screen and gestures, but that has its own issues as youn may know

you may want to try the enhanced gestures add-on for nvda, that may improve things a bit

good luck



On 20/03/2016 15:56, rob wrote:
Hi folks

Today, I received a linx 8, windows tablet. Running windows 8.1, after getting set up with some sighted assistance to install NVDA. and before anyone says it, reading the user guide, I find myself completely lost and baffled as to how one goes about using a touchscreen with nvda.

All of the gestures mentioned in the guide, such as, two finger double tap to open the nvda menu, three finger tap to change touch modes, flicking from left to right, up/down. double tapping, fail to register. I get some information when putting my finger on a random part of the screen, or sliding around, but nothing worth mentioning.

Am I missing something, or is it just very buggy?
also, I'm using nvda 16.1

Regards

Rob




Kevin Chao
 

Hmmm.... This is a bit counter-productive: Input help mode is toggled with NVDA key+1, but this doesn't work without a keyboard, so how is one to learn/practice gestures on touch screen-only device?


On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 9:26 AM rob <rob@...> wrote:
Hi chris

The issue is that I honestly can't use the tablet at all the way it is
at the moment, so I'd need a keyboard to be able to install an addon.
I don't even know how useable the tablet would be with nvda running for
a sighted person.

I have a bluetooth keyboard, but obviously can't get into settings to
connect it.

Rob

On 20/03/2016 16:20, Chris wrote:
> yeah you do lose some of the touch screen functionality when using
> together with a screen reader
> Narrator is probably the best to use in conjunction with a touch
> screen and gestures, but that has its own issues as youn may know
>
> you may want to try the enhanced gestures  add-on for nvda, that may
> improve things a bit
>
> good luck
>
>
>
> On 20/03/2016 15:56, rob wrote:
>> Hi folks
>>
>> Today, I received a linx 8, windows tablet. Running windows 8.1,
>> after getting set up  with some sighted assistance to install NVDA.
>> and before anyone says it, reading the user guide, I find myself
>> completely lost and baffled as to how one goes about using a
>> touchscreen with nvda.
>>
>> All of the gestures mentioned in the guide, such as, two finger
>> double tap to open the nvda menu, three finger tap to change touch
>> modes, flicking from left to right, up/down. double tapping, fail to
>> register. I get some information when putting my finger on a random
>> part of the screen, or sliding around, but nothing worth mentioning.
>>
>> Am I missing something, or is it just very buggy?
>>  also, I'm using nvda 16.1
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Rob
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>





rob
 

Well quite,  but to be honest, the gestures are just not working. As I said, the simplest one of opening the nvda menu has no effect at all when I do it.

Rob   

On 20/03/2016 16:41, Kevin Chao wrote:
Hmmm.... This is a bit counter-productive: Input help mode is toggled with NVDA key+1, but this doesn't work without a keyboard, so how is one to learn/practice gestures on touch screen-only device?

On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 9:26 AM rob <rob@...> wrote:
Hi chris

The issue is that I honestly can't use the tablet at all the way it is
at the moment, so I'd need a keyboard to be able to install an addon.
I don't even know how useable the tablet would be with nvda running for
a sighted person.

I have a bluetooth keyboard, but obviously can't get into settings to
connect it.

Rob

On 20/03/2016 16:20, Chris wrote:
> yeah you do lose some of the touch screen functionality when using
> together with a screen reader
> Narrator is probably the best to use in conjunction with a touch
> screen and gestures, but that has its own issues as youn may know
>
> you may want to try the enhanced gestures  add-on for nvda, that may
> improve things a bit
>
> good luck
>
>
>
> On 20/03/2016 15:56, rob wrote:
>> Hi folks
>>
>> Today, I received a linx 8, windows tablet. Running windows 8.1,
>> after getting set up  with some sighted assistance to install NVDA.
>> and before anyone says it, reading the user guide, I find myself
>> completely lost and baffled as to how one goes about using a
>> touchscreen with nvda.
>>
>> All of the gestures mentioned in the guide, such as, two finger
>> double tap to open the nvda menu, three finger tap to change touch
>> modes, flicking from left to right, up/down. double tapping, fail to
>> register. I get some information when putting my finger on a random
>> part of the screen, or sliding around, but nothing worth mentioning.
>>
>> Am I missing something, or is it just very buggy?
>>  also, I'm using nvda 16.1
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Rob
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>






valiant8086
 

Hi.

With mouse coordinate tones turned on, do you have mouse noises when you move your finger around the screen?? Some devices use a touch pad device on the touch screen and have a driver that makes it somewhat function like a touch screen but it isn't but a pointing device, so accessibility layer for touch doesn't necessarily work well.

Try Narrator, hold in its windows key and press volume up. Have narrator closed before you do else only one screen reader can have access to accessibility. This could also explain your trouble with NVDA would you be having narrator running when you start NVDA somehow? If so NVDA can't have access to the accessibility layer.




Cheers, Aaron Spears, general Partner - Valiant Galaxy Associates Developing "very good audiogames" for the blind community http://valiantGalaxy.com Sent with Thunderbird 38.5.0 portable

On 3/20/2016 11:56 AM, rob wrote:
Hi folks

Today, I received a linx 8, windows tablet. Running windows 8.1, after getting set up with some sighted assistance to install NVDA. and before anyone says it, reading the user guide, I find myself completely lost and baffled as to how one goes about using a touchscreen with nvda.

All of the gestures mentioned in the guide, such as, two finger double tap to open the nvda menu, three finger tap to change touch modes, flicking from left to right, up/down. double tapping, fail to register. I get some information when putting my finger on a random part of the screen, or sliding around, but nothing worth mentioning.

Am I missing something, or is it just very buggy?
also, I'm using nvda 16.1

Regards

Rob


William Brandes <williambrandes@...>
 

hi. i have three windows 8.1 tablets.

a dell venu pro, hp stream 7" and winbook 7" (which has a full-size usb port)

first, i would install the classic shell start menu emulator.

second, if needed, get a dongle to use a full-size usb keyboard.

third, use a bluetooth keyboard if you wish; i do for portability.

but, will need the full size keyboard to enable the bluetooth.

in my humble opinion, just forget touch with the windows tablet and
nvda. the screenreader works great with keyboard and that is fine with
me.

i am writing this email with my winbook 7 with full-size usb keyboard.

just sayin' ... william


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I've seen similar comments on other screenreaders as well. To be honest reading all of these, I am thinking that touch is going to be a bit of a loser on anything bigger than a smart phone with special gestures for blind users.
I'm sure there is somebody out there that thinks its great, but I have a low frustration tolerance and on most tests I've tried with Windoze touch and screenreaders, you can keep em, I'm sorry.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "rob" <rob@...>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 4:26 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Touchscreens?


Hi chris

The issue is that I honestly can't use the tablet at all the way it is at the moment, so I'd need a keyboard to be able to install an addon.
I don't even know how useable the tablet would be with nvda running for a sighted person.

I have a bluetooth keyboard, but obviously can't get into settings to connect it.

Rob

On 20/03/2016 16:20, Chris wrote:
yeah you do lose some of the touch screen functionality when using together with a screen reader
Narrator is probably the best to use in conjunction with a touch screen and gestures, but that has its own issues as youn may know

you may want to try the enhanced gestures add-on for nvda, that may improve things a bit

good luck



On 20/03/2016 15:56, rob wrote:
Hi folks

Today, I received a linx 8, windows tablet. Running windows 8.1, after getting set up with some sighted assistance to install NVDA. and before anyone says it, reading the user guide, I find myself completely lost and baffled as to how one goes about using a touchscreen with nvda.

All of the gestures mentioned in the guide, such as, two finger double tap to open the nvda menu, three finger tap to change touch modes, flicking from left to right, up/down. double tapping, fail to register. I get some information when putting my finger on a random part of the screen, or sliding around, but nothing worth mentioning.

Am I missing something, or is it just very buggy?
also, I'm using nvda 16.1

Regards

Rob





Brian's Mail list account BY <bglists@...>
 

:-)
One returns the unit and buys one with a keyboard?

I'll duck behind the sofa to avoid the tomatoes now!
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Chao" <kevinchao89@...>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Touchscreens?


Hmmm.... This is a bit counter-productive: Input help mode is toggled with
NVDA key+1, but this doesn't work without a keyboard, so how is one to
learn/practice gestures on touch screen-only device?

On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 9:26 AM rob <rob@...> wrote:

Hi chris

The issue is that I honestly can't use the tablet at all the way it is
at the moment, so I'd need a keyboard to be able to install an addon.
I don't even know how useable the tablet would be with nvda running for
a sighted person.

I have a bluetooth keyboard, but obviously can't get into settings to
connect it.

Rob

On 20/03/2016 16:20, Chris wrote:
yeah you do lose some of the touch screen functionality when using
together with a screen reader
Narrator is probably the best to use in conjunction with a touch
screen and gestures, but that has its own issues as youn may know

you may want to try the enhanced gestures add-on for nvda, that may
improve things a bit

good luck



On 20/03/2016 15:56, rob wrote:
Hi folks

Today, I received a linx 8, windows tablet. Running windows 8.1,
after getting set up with some sighted assistance to install NVDA.
and before anyone says it, reading the user guide, I find myself
completely lost and baffled as to how one goes about using a
touchscreen with nvda.

All of the gestures mentioned in the guide, such as, two finger
double tap to open the nvda menu, three finger tap to change touch
modes, flicking from left to right, up/down. double tapping, fail to
register. I get some information when putting my finger on a random
part of the screen, or sliding around, but nothing worth mentioning.

Am I missing something, or is it just very buggy?
also, I'm using nvda 16.1

Regards

Rob








rob
 

Hi

Certainly I'll be returning the unit, but I won't be buying one with a keyboard.
I wanted something small enough to put in a jacket pocket so I could read on the bus, on the train, etc.
Something that allowed me to read with eloquence.
Of course, a lot of the tablets with keyboards simply look like small laptops, and I already have an 11 inch macbook air.
Oh well, who knows what I'll do.

Rob

On 21/03/2016 09:18, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
:-)
One returns the unit and buys one with a keyboard?

I'll duck behind the sofa to avoid the tomatoes now!
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Chao" <kevinchao89@...>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Touchscreens?


Hmmm.... This is a bit counter-productive: Input help mode is toggled with
NVDA key+1, but this doesn't work without a keyboard, so how is one to
learn/practice gestures on touch screen-only device?

On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 9:26 AM rob <rob@...> wrote:

Hi chris

The issue is that I honestly can't use the tablet at all the way it is
at the moment, so I'd need a keyboard to be able to install an addon.
I don't even know how useable the tablet would be with nvda running for
a sighted person.

I have a bluetooth keyboard, but obviously can't get into settings to
connect it.

Rob

On 20/03/2016 16:20, Chris wrote:
yeah you do lose some of the touch screen functionality when using
together with a screen reader
Narrator is probably the best to use in conjunction with a touch
screen and gestures, but that has its own issues as youn may know

you may want to try the enhanced gestures add-on for nvda, that may
improve things a bit

good luck



On 20/03/2016 15:56, rob wrote:
Hi folks

Today, I received a linx 8, windows tablet. Running windows 8.1,
after getting set up with some sighted assistance to install NVDA.
and before anyone says it, reading the user guide, I find myself
completely lost and baffled as to how one goes about using a
touchscreen with nvda.

All of the gestures mentioned in the guide, such as, two finger
double tap to open the nvda menu, three finger tap to change touch
modes, flicking from left to right, up/down. double tapping, fail to
register. I get some information when putting my finger on a random
part of the screen, or sliding around, but nothing worth mentioning.

Am I missing something, or is it just very buggy?
also, I'm using nvda 16.1

Regards

Rob









Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

You know...

Out of all the people who have said touch screens are not working very well, and those, including myself, who've either agreed to make audio demos proving this, or have! Made audio demos showing it, those who swear to God, quote unquote, that it quote: just works, have been incredibly reluctant to make any demos showing their side of it working correctly. Hmm, I wonder why this might be?

Ya think?

Chris.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 5:19 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Touchscreens?

:-)
One returns the unit and buys one with a keyboard?

I'll duck behind the sofa to avoid the tomatoes now!
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Chao" <kevinchao89@...>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Touchscreens?


Hmmm.... This is a bit counter-productive: Input help mode is toggled with
NVDA key+1, but this doesn't work without a keyboard, so how is one to
learn/practice gestures on touch screen-only device?

On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 9:26 AM rob <rob@...> wrote:

Hi chris

The issue is that I honestly can't use the tablet at all the way it is
at the moment, so I'd need a keyboard to be able to install an addon.
I don't even know how useable the tablet would be with nvda running for
a sighted person.

I have a bluetooth keyboard, but obviously can't get into settings to
connect it.

Rob

On 20/03/2016 16:20, Chris wrote:
yeah you do lose some of the touch screen functionality when using
together with a screen reader
Narrator is probably the best to use in conjunction with a touch
screen and gestures, but that has its own issues as youn may know

you may want to try the enhanced gestures add-on for nvda, that may
improve things a bit

good luck



On 20/03/2016 15:56, rob wrote:
Hi folks

Today, I received a linx 8, windows tablet. Running windows 8.1,
after getting set up with some sighted assistance to install NVDA.
and before anyone says it, reading the user guide, I find myself
completely lost and baffled as to how one goes about using a
touchscreen with nvda.

All of the gestures mentioned in the guide, such as, two finger
double tap to open the nvda menu, three finger tap to change touch
modes, flicking from left to right, up/down. double tapping, fail to
register. I get some information when putting my finger on a random
part of the screen, or sliding around, but nothing worth mentioning.

Am I missing something, or is it just very buggy?
also, I'm using nvda 16.1

Regards

Rob








Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

OK, if you want something with Eloquence, and you want it to be a tablet, and you want touch to work, then check out maybe getting an Android tablet. The Samsung Galaxy lineup is really really nice.

Chris.

-----Original Message-----
From: rob [mailto:rob@...]
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 5:23 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Touchscreens?

Hi

Certainly I'll be returning the unit, but I won't be buying one with a keyboard.
I wanted something small enough to put in a jacket pocket so I could read on the bus, on the train, etc.
Something that allowed me to read with eloquence.
Of course, a lot of the tablets with keyboards simply look like small laptops, and I already have an 11 inch macbook air.
Oh well, who knows what I'll do.

Rob

On 21/03/2016 09:18, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
:-)
One returns the unit and buys one with a keyboard?

I'll duck behind the sofa to avoid the tomatoes now!
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Chao"
<kevinchao89@...>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Touchscreens?


Hmmm.... This is a bit counter-productive: Input help mode is toggled
with NVDA key+1, but this doesn't work without a keyboard, so how is
one to learn/practice gestures on touch screen-only device?

On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 9:26 AM rob <rob@...> wrote:

Hi chris

The issue is that I honestly can't use the tablet at all the way it
is at the moment, so I'd need a keyboard to be able to install an addon.
I don't even know how useable the tablet would be with nvda running
for a sighted person.

I have a bluetooth keyboard, but obviously can't get into settings
to connect it.

Rob

On 20/03/2016 16:20, Chris wrote:
yeah you do lose some of the touch screen functionality when using
together with a screen reader Narrator is probably the best to use
in conjunction with a touch screen and gestures, but that has its
own issues as youn may know

you may want to try the enhanced gestures add-on for nvda, that
may improve things a bit

good luck



On 20/03/2016 15:56, rob wrote:
Hi folks

Today, I received a linx 8, windows tablet. Running windows 8.1,
after getting set up with some sighted assistance to install NVDA.
and before anyone says it, reading the user guide, I find myself
completely lost and baffled as to how one goes about using a
touchscreen with nvda.

All of the gestures mentioned in the guide, such as, two finger
double tap to open the nvda menu, three finger tap to change
touch modes, flicking from left to right, up/down. double
tapping, fail to register. I get some information when putting my
finger on a random part of the screen, or sliding around, but nothing worth mentioning.

Am I missing something, or is it just very buggy?
also, I'm using nvda 16.1

Regards

Rob










rob
 

Hi

Well, not strictly NVDA based, but all the same.
Having given up using the tablet with NVDA, I launched narator with a case of morbid curiosity.
To my surprise, it is very straight forward to use, all gestures work as suggested, navigating is simple and straight forward.
I'm able to do basic things very easily, launching apps, browsing the internet, etc. It's just a real shame that typing is exactly as standard typing is on iOS, i.e. having to double tap each letter. If this was fixed, this would not be a bad screen-reader at all in my opinion, based on early views.

If anyone knows if the typing can be fixed, or if anyone would like a demonstration, please let me know either way.

Rob

On 21/03/2016 13:25, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
OK, if you want something with Eloquence, and you want it to be a tablet, and you want touch to work, then check out maybe getting an Android tablet. The Samsung Galaxy lineup is really really nice.

Chris.


-----Original Message-----
From: rob [mailto:rob@...]
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 5:23 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Touchscreens?

Hi

Certainly I'll be returning the unit, but I won't be buying one with a keyboard.
I wanted something small enough to put in a jacket pocket so I could read on the bus, on the train, etc.
Something that allowed me to read with eloquence.
Of course, a lot of the tablets with keyboards simply look like small laptops, and I already have an 11 inch macbook air.
Oh well, who knows what I'll do.

Rob

On 21/03/2016 09:18, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
:-)
One returns the unit and buys one with a keyboard?

I'll duck behind the sofa to avoid the tomatoes now!
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Chao"
<kevinchao89@...>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Touchscreens?


Hmmm.... This is a bit counter-productive: Input help mode is toggled
with NVDA key+1, but this doesn't work without a keyboard, so how is
one to learn/practice gestures on touch screen-only device?

On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 9:26 AM rob <rob@...> wrote:

Hi chris

The issue is that I honestly can't use the tablet at all the way it
is at the moment, so I'd need a keyboard to be able to install an addon.
I don't even know how useable the tablet would be with nvda running
for a sighted person.

I have a bluetooth keyboard, but obviously can't get into settings
to connect it.

Rob

On 20/03/2016 16:20, Chris wrote:
yeah you do lose some of the touch screen functionality when using
together with a screen reader Narrator is probably the best to use
in conjunction with a touch screen and gestures, but that has its
own issues as youn may know

you may want to try the enhanced gestures add-on for nvda, that
may improve things a bit

good luck



On 20/03/2016 15:56, rob wrote:
Hi folks

Today, I received a linx 8, windows tablet. Running windows 8.1,
after getting set up with some sighted assistance to install NVDA.
and before anyone says it, reading the user guide, I find myself
completely lost and baffled as to how one goes about using a
touchscreen with nvda.

All of the gestures mentioned in the guide, such as, two finger
double tap to open the nvda menu, three finger tap to change
touch modes, flicking from left to right, up/down. double
tapping, fail to register. I get some information when putting my
finger on a random part of the screen, or sliding around, but nothing worth mentioning.

Am I missing something, or is it just very buggy?
also, I'm using nvda 16.1

Regards

Rob










Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

Rob,

I would absolutely love! a demonstration via audio.

Would you be willing to make me one and send via either Sendspace, or preferably Dropbox?

My private e-mail is:

@AHeart4God316

Chris.
---
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JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

@AHeart4God316
Phone: (704) 256-8010 Extension 401.

----- Original Message -----
From: "rob" <rob@...>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Touchscreens?


Hi

Well, not strictly NVDA based, but all the same.
Having given up using the tablet with NVDA, I launched narator with a case of morbid curiosity.
To my surprise, it is very straight forward to use, all gestures work as suggested, navigating is simple and straight forward.
I'm able to do basic things very easily, launching apps, browsing the internet, etc. It's just a real shame that typing is exactly as standard typing is on iOS, i.e. having to double tap each letter. If this was fixed, this would not be a bad screen-reader at all in my opinion, based on early views.

If anyone knows if the typing can be fixed, or if anyone would like a demonstration, please let me know either way.

Rob

On 21/03/2016 13:25, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
OK, if you want something with Eloquence, and you want it to be a tablet, and you want touch to work, then check out maybe getting an Android tablet. The Samsung Galaxy lineup is really really nice.

Chris.


-----Original Message-----
From: rob [mailto:rob@...]
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 5:23 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Touchscreens?

Hi

Certainly I'll be returning the unit, but I won't be buying one with a keyboard.
I wanted something small enough to put in a jacket pocket so I could read on the bus, on the train, etc.
Something that allowed me to read with eloquence.
Of course, a lot of the tablets with keyboards simply look like small laptops, and I already have an 11 inch macbook air.
Oh well, who knows what I'll do.

Rob

On 21/03/2016 09:18, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
:-)
One returns the unit and buys one with a keyboard?

I'll duck behind the sofa to avoid the tomatoes now!
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Chao"
<kevinchao89@...>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Touchscreens?


Hmmm.... This is a bit counter-productive: Input help mode is toggled
with NVDA key+1, but this doesn't work without a keyboard, so how is
one to learn/practice gestures on touch screen-only device?

On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 9:26 AM rob <rob@...> wrote:

Hi chris

The issue is that I honestly can't use the tablet at all the way it
is at the moment, so I'd need a keyboard to be able to install an addon.
I don't even know how useable the tablet would be with nvda running
for a sighted person.

I have a bluetooth keyboard, but obviously can't get into settings
to connect it.

Rob

On 20/03/2016 16:20, Chris wrote:
yeah you do lose some of the touch screen functionality when using
together with a screen reader Narrator is probably the best to use
in conjunction with a touch screen and gestures, but that has its
own issues as youn may know

you may want to try the enhanced gestures add-on for nvda, that
may improve things a bit

good luck



On 20/03/2016 15:56, rob wrote:
Hi folks

Today, I received a linx 8, windows tablet. Running windows 8.1,
after getting set up with some sighted assistance to install NVDA.
and before anyone says it, reading the user guide, I find myself
completely lost and baffled as to how one goes about using a
touchscreen with nvda.

All of the gestures mentioned in the guide, such as, two finger
double tap to open the nvda menu, three finger tap to change
touch modes, flicking from left to right, up/down. double
tapping, fail to register. I get some information when putting my
finger on a random part of the screen, or sliding around, but nothing worth mentioning.

Am I missing something, or is it just very buggy?
also, I'm using nvda 16.1

Regards

Rob











rob
 

Hi all

Quick update on the situation.
I upgraded my tablet to windows 10, just for curiosity's sake.
And after fighting for a long time to get narator to not start automatically, and NVDA to do so. I can report that NVDA is working absolutely wonderfully.
True, it takes some getting used to, as it works on the concept of object navigation.
Now, I plan on installing the enhanced touch addon, and I believe that will make things a lot nicer.
It's quick, it's responsive, and honestly I only really have a couple of complaints.
1. the lack of options for navigation, for example, navigating by heading, link, form field, etc. however, I believe this is an option with the enhanced touch addon.

2. typing
Typing is very useable, works the same as touch-typing on iOS, so the letter is entered once you lift your finger. however, NVDA announces button, after every letter, which is a little annoying.

Having said all this, if some pressure was put upon the developers to try and improve touch navigation, it could be a really, really beautiful thing.

Rob

On 21/03/2016 19:18, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
Rob,

I would absolutely love! a demonstration via audio.

Would you be willing to make me one and send via either Sendspace, or preferably Dropbox?

My private e-mail is:

@AHeart4God316

Chris.
---
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JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

@AHeart4God316
Phone: (704) 256-8010 Extension 401.
----- Original Message ----- From: "rob" <rob@...>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Touchscreens?


Hi

Well, not strictly NVDA based, but all the same.
Having given up using the tablet with NVDA, I launched narator with a case of morbid curiosity.
To my surprise, it is very straight forward to use, all gestures work as suggested, navigating is simple and straight forward.
I'm able to do basic things very easily, launching apps, browsing the internet, etc. It's just a real shame that typing is exactly as standard typing is on iOS, i.e. having to double tap each letter. If this was fixed, this would not be a bad screen-reader at all in my opinion, based on early views.

If anyone knows if the typing can be fixed, or if anyone would like a demonstration, please let me know either way.

Rob

On 21/03/2016 13:25, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
OK, if you want something with Eloquence, and you want it to be a tablet, and you want touch to work, then check out maybe getting an Android tablet. The Samsung Galaxy lineup is really really nice.

Chris.


-----Original Message-----
From: rob [mailto:rob@...]
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 5:23 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Touchscreens?

Hi

Certainly I'll be returning the unit, but I won't be buying one with a keyboard.
I wanted something small enough to put in a jacket pocket so I could read on the bus, on the train, etc.
Something that allowed me to read with eloquence.
Of course, a lot of the tablets with keyboards simply look like small laptops, and I already have an 11 inch macbook air.
Oh well, who knows what I'll do.

Rob

On 21/03/2016 09:18, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
:-)
One returns the unit and buys one with a keyboard?

I'll duck behind the sofa to avoid the tomatoes now!
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Chao"
<kevinchao89@...>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Touchscreens?


Hmmm.... This is a bit counter-productive: Input help mode is toggled
with NVDA key+1, but this doesn't work without a keyboard, so how is
one to learn/practice gestures on touch screen-only device?

On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 9:26 AM rob <rob@...> wrote:

Hi chris

The issue is that I honestly can't use the tablet at all the way it
is at the moment, so I'd need a keyboard to be able to install an addon.
I don't even know how useable the tablet would be with nvda running
for a sighted person.

I have a bluetooth keyboard, but obviously can't get into settings
to connect it.

Rob

On 20/03/2016 16:20, Chris wrote:
yeah you do lose some of the touch screen functionality when using
together with a screen reader Narrator is probably the best to use
in conjunction with a touch screen and gestures, but that has its
own issues as youn may know

you may want to try the enhanced gestures add-on for nvda, that
may improve things a bit

good luck



On 20/03/2016 15:56, rob wrote:
Hi folks

Today, I received a linx 8, windows tablet. Running windows 8.1,
after getting set up with some sighted assistance to install NVDA.
and before anyone says it, reading the user guide, I find myself
completely lost and baffled as to how one goes about using a
touchscreen with nvda.

All of the gestures mentioned in the guide, such as, two finger
double tap to open the nvda menu, three finger tap to change
touch modes, flicking from left to right, up/down. double
tapping, fail to register. I get some information when putting my
finger on a random part of the screen, or sliding around, but nothing worth mentioning.

Am I missing something, or is it just very buggy?
also, I'm using nvda 16.1

Regards

Rob













Pete <emac00@...>
 

Hi
Does nvda speak the items under your finger when you move it around on the t-screen?
If so you may be able to use it like a mouse.
A single tap to select an item and double tapping an item on the screen to activate it.
Single and double taps on the corners of the screen may be assigned as short cuts.

Pete


William Brandes <williambrandes@...>
 

um. what a difference 2 digits in an os makes ... william