Unable To Display Status Bar IN Latest Thunderbird Version 102.1.1


Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,

Has anyone upgraded Thunderbird to the latest version 102.1.1?  If so, can you read the status bar?  I cannot on my system: Windows 11, 64 bit with latest NVDA 2022.2.

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Gene
 

The status bar was not present in the previous version on my machine and it still isn't.

I'm going to check to see if there is even supposed to be a status bar any longer.  We don't know if it has been removed.

Gene

On 8/6/2022 9:40 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Group,

Has anyone upgraded Thunderbird to the latest version 102.1.1?  If so, can you read the status bar?  I cannot on my system: Windows 11, 64 bit with latest NVDA 2022.2.



Gene
 

I just did a Google search and didn't find anything in the first five results about it being removed.  I looked in the view menu and it is still there and checked.  I tried unchecking it, then checking it again with no results.

It may be there but not accessible to NVDA and perhaps other screen-readers.

I used NVDA key b to read the entire window and the status bar wasn't read.

Gene

On 8/6/2022 9:40 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Group,

Has anyone upgraded Thunderbird to the latest version 102.1.1?  If so, can you read the status bar?  I cannot on my system: Windows 11, 64 bit with latest NVDA 2022.2.



Gene
 

This may be something NVDA will have to update.  The status bar is still read when using JAWS.  Whether Thunderbird or NVDA should correct the situation is something I'll leave to the two sets of developers.

Gene

On 8/6/2022 9:40 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Group,

Has anyone upgraded Thunderbird to the latest version 102.1.1?  If so, can you read the status bar?  I cannot on my system: Windows 11, 64 bit with latest NVDA 2022.2.



 

I have made posts about Thunderbird Version 102 in one of the JAWS groups and here as well.  From the JAWS Group:
----
What I can't figure out is why anyone who is not a typical beta user is upgrading to Thunderbird 102.  From the noted page: Thunderbird version 102.0 is only offered as direct download from thunderbird.net and not as an upgrade from Thunderbird version 91 or earlier. A future release will provide updates from earlier versions.

There could be quite a few changes before it hits the release channel.  Those choosing to use beta software need to understand what that entails.  I still have 91.11.0 and a check for updates from the help menu clearly indicates that's the latest version on the release channel.
----
And in this group, in message  I noted that the developer of Mozilla Apps Enhancements reported that there were known issues between that add-on and Thunderbird 102.  I have not kept up on this, since 102 is not on the release channel yet, and I expect that beta software will sometimes have issues and that they often get fixed provided beta testers report them in the months leading up to a release candidate.

And while the above may have absolutely nothing to do with the exact issue raised here, it is essential to remember when using any piece of software that is not a part of the official release channel at the time it's being used.
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Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Gene,

I can tell you this.  When I use the NVDA keystroke to read the whole screen for desktops insert + B, (useful in dialogues and other things that sometimes don't automatically read) if you listen to all the verbiage, finally at the very end, the status bar is read.  This means that it is still being displayed in some form.


On 8/6/2022 10:52 PM, Gene wrote:
The status bar was not present in the previous version on my machine and it still isn't.

I'm going to check to see if there is even supposed to be a status bar any longer.  We don't know if it has been removed.

Gene

On 8/6/2022 9:40 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Group,

Has anyone upgraded Thunderbird to the latest version 102.1.1?  If so, can you read the status bar?  I cannot on my system: Windows 11, 64 bit with latest NVDA 2022.2.



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Gene
 

I've never checked.  Is there a Thunderbird ESR version?  As for the main release channel, the version is 102x. 

Gene

On 8/6/2022 10:05 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
I have made posts about Thunderbird Version 102 in one of the JAWS groups and here as well.  From the JAWS Group:
----
What I can't figure out is why anyone who is not a typical beta user is upgrading to Thunderbird 102.  From the noted page: Thunderbird version 102.0 is only offered as direct download from thunderbird.net and not as an upgrade from Thunderbird version 91 or earlier. A future release will provide updates from earlier versions.

There could be quite a few changes before it hits the release channel.  Those choosing to use beta software need to understand what that entails.  I still have 91.11.0 and a check for updates from the help menu clearly indicates that's the latest version on the release channel.
----
And in this group, in message  I noted that the developer of Mozilla Apps Enhancements reported that there were known issues between that add-on and Thunderbird 102.  I have not kept up on this, since 102 is not on the release channel yet, and I expect that beta software will sometimes have issues and that they often get fixed provided beta testers report them in the months leading up to a release candidate.

And while the above may have absolutely nothing to do with the exact issue raised here, it is essential to remember when using any piece of software that is not a part of the official release channel at the time it's being used.
--

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         ~ Vance Packard



Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Brian,

If what you say is true about this being beta software, then why was I prompted to update from within Thunderbird itself?
Maybe your reference is outdated?


On 8/6/2022 11:05 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
I have made posts about Thunderbird Version 102 in one of the JAWS groups and here as well.  From the JAWS Group:
----
What I can't figure out is why anyone who is not a typical beta user is upgrading to Thunderbird 102.  From the noted page: Thunderbird version 102.0 is only offered as direct download from thunderbird.net and not as an upgrade from Thunderbird version 91 or earlier. A future release will provide updates from earlier versions.

There could be quite a few changes before it hits the release channel.  Those choosing to use beta software need to understand what that entails.  I still have 91.11.0 and a check for updates from the help menu clearly indicates that's the latest version on the release channel.
----
And in this group, in message  I noted that the developer of Mozilla Apps Enhancements reported that there were known issues between that add-on and Thunderbird 102.  I have not kept up on this, since 102 is not on the release channel yet, and I expect that beta software will sometimes have issues and that they often get fixed provided beta testers report them in the months leading up to a release candidate.

And while the above may have absolutely nothing to do with the exact issue raised here, it is essential to remember when using any piece of software that is not a part of the official release channel at the time it's being used.
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         ~ Vance Packard


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Well one thing is if status bar is back on the progress bar shows.

Now it doescomplete a little before messages finnish downloading but lat least there actually is one.

On 7/08/2022 2:40 pm, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Group,

Has anyone upgraded Thunderbird to the latest version 102.1.1?  If so, can you read the status bar?  I cannot on my system: Windows 11, 64 bit with latest NVDA 2022.2.


Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,

I am very confused. I was definitely prompted to upgrade to the 102.x version several weeks ago. Yet on the Thunderbird page, it definitely says that version 102.x is not available on the main update channel: go figure!

On 8/6/2022 11:52 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:

Well one thing is if status bar is back on the progress bar shows.

Now it doescomplete a little before messages finnish downloading but lat least there actually is one.


On 7/08/2022 2:40 pm, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Group,

Has anyone upgraded Thunderbird to the latest version 102.1.1? If so, can you read the status bar?  I cannot on my system: Windows 11, 64 bit with latest NVDA 2022.2.


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Gene
 

I am using the portable version and, though I doubt it, perhaps that accounts for the difference. 

Whatever the case, in a later message, you said that the version you are using isn't available on the download page you were working with.  I don't know where you were looking.  If I look on this page:
https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/
I see links to download Thunderbird.
Here is the first download link and you will see that it gives the 102.x. version number.
https://download.mozilla.org/?product=thunderbird-102.1.1-SSL&os=win64&lang=en-US

On the page I linked to above, not the download link, you will also see a get the beta link.has a get the beta link.  If you follow that, the link to download the beta, the first link offered gives a higher verssion number as below:
https://download.mozilla.org/?product=thunderbird-104.0b2-SSL&os=win64&lang=en-US

I used the copy  link feature of Firefox when I was on the download links.  I am presenting the written out underlying links, not the English wording you see if you just look at the page.

I don't know where you are looking but the page I just gave the link to has correct version availability.

In short, you are using the latest nonbeta version.

Gene

On 8/6/2022 10:48 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Gene,

I can tell you this.  When I use the NVDA keystroke to read the whole screen for desktops insert + B, (useful in dialogues and other things that sometimes don't automatically read) if you listen to all the verbiage, finally at the very end, the status bar is read.  This means that it is still being displayed in some form.


On 8/6/2022 10:52 PM, Gene wrote:
The status bar was not present in the previous version on my machine and it still isn't.

I'm going to check to see if there is even supposed to be a status bar any longer.  We don't know if it has been removed.

Gene

On 8/6/2022 9:40 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Group,

Has anyone upgraded Thunderbird to the latest version 102.1.1?  If so, can you read the status bar?  I cannot on my system: Windows 11, 64 bit with latest NVDA 2022.2.



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Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Gene,

Well that seems to be true--unless you look at the What's new link.
https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/102.1.1/releasenotes/
Here's what it says:
Thunderbird version 102.1.1 is only offered as direct download from thunderbird.not as an upgrade from Thunderbird version 91 or earlier.
...and even more confusing:
Version 102.1.1, first offered to channel users on August 8, 2022  (which is actually tomorrow.)

I downloaded the 102.0 from within Thunderbird a few weeks ago. Just yesterday, the program auto updated from 102.1.0 to 102.1.1.  This is when I first noticed the status bar issue.

So explain that Gene! It's liked the twilight zone.


On 8/7/2022 4:21 AM, Gene wrote:
I am using the portable version and, though I doubt it, perhaps that accounts for the difference. 

Whatever the case, in a later message, you said that the version you are using isn't available on the download page you were working with.  I don't know where you were looking.  If I look on this page:
https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/
I see links to download Thunderbird.
Here is the first download link and you will see that it gives the 102.x. version number.
https://download.mozilla.org/?product=thunderbird-102.1.1-SSL&os=win64&lang=en-US

On the page I linked to above, not the download link, you will also see a get the beta link.has a get the beta link.  If you follow that, the link to download the beta, the first link offered gives a higher verssion number as below:
https://download.mozilla.org/?product=thunderbird-104.0b2-SSL&os=win64&lang=en-US

I used the copy  link feature of Firefox when I was on the download links.  I am presenting the written out underlying links, not the English wording you see if you just look at the page.

I don't know where you are looking but the page I just gave the link to has correct version availability.

In short, you are using the latest nonbeta version.

Gene
On 8/6/2022 10:48 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Gene,

I can tell you this.  When I use the NVDA keystroke to read the whole screen for desktops insert + B, (useful in dialogues and other things that sometimes don't automatically read) if you listen to all the verbiage, finally at the very end, the status bar is read.  This means that it is still being displayed in some form.


On 8/6/2022 10:52 PM, Gene wrote:
The status bar was not present in the previous version on my machine and it still isn't.

I'm going to check to see if there is even supposed to be a status bar any longer.  We don't know if it has been removed.

Gene

On 8/6/2022 9:40 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Group,

Has anyone upgraded Thunderbird to the latest version 102.1.1?  If so, can you read the status bar?  I cannot on my system: Windows 11, 64 bit with latest NVDA 2022.2.



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Gene
 

It may be that if you have version 91.x and earlier, you won't update directly to 102.x.  The program may  first update you to an earlier version and from that earlier version the next update may be to 102.exe.  But if you have a recent enough version, you will get an update to 102.exe.

I updated last night.  The version I got last night is 102.1.1.

the page is not worded correctly, whatever is meant. 

In addition, open the about dialog, alt h, a.
Then switch to browse mode so you can move around the page like a web page, which it actually is, NVDA key space.
Move to the top of the page, then start down arrowing.  You will see the version number you are using and a little below that you will see that you are on the main release channel.  The program's own about dialog is telling you what the situation is.

Closed the about dialog with control f4, not alt f4.
Gene

On 8/7/2022 7:19 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Gene,

Well that seems to be true--unless you look at the What's new link.
https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/102.1.1/releasenotes/
Here's what it says:
Thunderbird version 102.1.1 is only offered as direct download from thunderbird.not as an upgrade from Thunderbird version 91 or earlier.
...and even more confusing:
Version 102.1.1, first offered to channel users on August 8, 2022  (which is actually tomorrow.)

I downloaded the 102.0 from within Thunderbird a few weeks ago. Just yesterday, the program auto updated from 102.1.0 to 102.1.1.  This is when I first noticed the status bar issue.

So explain that Gene! It's liked the twilight zone.


On 8/7/2022 4:21 AM, Gene wrote:
I am using the portable version and, though I doubt it, perhaps that accounts for the difference. 

Whatever the case, in a later message, you said that the version you are using isn't available on the download page you were working with.  I don't know where you were looking.  If I look on this page:
https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/
I see links to download Thunderbird.
Here is the first download link and you will see that it gives the 102.x. version number.
https://download.mozilla.org/?product=thunderbird-102.1.1-SSL&os=win64&lang=en-US

On the page I linked to above, not the download link, you will also see a get the beta link.has a get the beta link.  If you follow that, the link to download the beta, the first link offered gives a higher verssion number as below:
https://download.mozilla.org/?product=thunderbird-104.0b2-SSL&os=win64&lang=en-US

I used the copy  link feature of Firefox when I was on the download links.  I am presenting the written out underlying links, not the English wording you see if you just look at the page.

I don't know where you are looking but the page I just gave the link to has correct version availability.

In short, you are using the latest nonbeta version.

Gene
On 8/6/2022 10:48 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Gene,

I can tell you this.  When I use the NVDA keystroke to read the whole screen for desktops insert + B, (useful in dialogues and other things that sometimes don't automatically read) if you listen to all the verbiage, finally at the very end, the status bar is read.  This means that it is still being displayed in some form.


On 8/6/2022 10:52 PM, Gene wrote:
The status bar was not present in the previous version on my machine and it still isn't.

I'm going to check to see if there is even supposed to be a status bar any longer.  We don't know if it has been removed.

Gene

On 8/6/2022 9:40 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Group,

Has anyone upgraded Thunderbird to the latest version 102.1.1?  If so, can you read the status bar?  I cannot on my system: Windows 11, 64 bit with latest NVDA 2022.2.



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Gene
 

Here is a correction.  Close the about dialog with either escape or alt f4.  I thought the dialog opened in a new tab but it is somehow a dialog even though it presents itself as a web page.  It closes in the usual way about dialogs close.

Gene

On 8/7/2022 8:05 AM, Gene wrote:
It may be that if you have version 91.x and earlier, you won't update directly to 102.x.  The program may  first update you to an earlier version and from that earlier version the next update may be to 102.exe.  But if you have a recent enough version, you will get an update to 102.exe.

I updated last night.  The version I got last night is 102.1.1.

the page is not worded correctly, whatever is meant. 

In addition, open the about dialog, alt h, a.
Then switch to browse mode so you can move around the page like a web page, which it actually is, NVDA key space.
Move to the top of the page, then start down arrowing.  You will see the version number you are using and a little below that you will see that you are on the main release channel.  The program's own about dialog is telling you what the situation is.

Closed the about dialog with control f4, not alt f4.
Gene

On 8/7/2022 7:19 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Gene,

Well that seems to be true--unless you look at the What's new link.
https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/102.1.1/releasenotes/
Here's what it says:
Thunderbird version 102.1.1 is only offered as direct download from thunderbird.not as an upgrade from Thunderbird version 91 or earlier.
...and even more confusing:
Version 102.1.1, first offered to channel users on August 8, 2022  (which is actually tomorrow.)

I downloaded the 102.0 from within Thunderbird a few weeks ago. Just yesterday, the program auto updated from 102.1.0 to 102.1.1.  This is when I first noticed the status bar issue.

So explain that Gene! It's liked the twilight zone.


On 8/7/2022 4:21 AM, Gene wrote:
I am using the portable version and, though I doubt it, perhaps that accounts for the difference. 

Whatever the case, in a later message, you said that the version you are using isn't available on the download page you were working with.  I don't know where you were looking.  If I look on this page:
https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/
I see links to download Thunderbird.
Here is the first download link and you will see that it gives the 102.x. version number.
https://download.mozilla.org/?product=thunderbird-102.1.1-SSL&os=win64&lang=en-US

On the page I linked to above, not the download link, you will also see a get the beta link.has a get the beta link.  If you follow that, the link to download the beta, the first link offered gives a higher verssion number as below:
https://download.mozilla.org/?product=thunderbird-104.0b2-SSL&os=win64&lang=en-US

I used the copy  link feature of Firefox when I was on the download links.  I am presenting the written out underlying links, not the English wording you see if you just look at the page.

I don't know where you are looking but the page I just gave the link to has correct version availability.

In short, you are using the latest nonbeta version.

Gene
On 8/6/2022 10:48 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Gene,

I can tell you this.  When I use the NVDA keystroke to read the whole screen for desktops insert + B, (useful in dialogues and other things that sometimes don't automatically read) if you listen to all the verbiage, finally at the very end, the status bar is read.  This means that it is still being displayed in some form.


On 8/6/2022 10:52 PM, Gene wrote:
The status bar was not present in the previous version on my machine and it still isn't.

I'm going to check to see if there is even supposed to be a status bar any longer.  We don't know if it has been removed.

Gene

On 8/6/2022 9:40 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Group,

Has anyone upgraded Thunderbird to the latest version 102.1.1?  If so, can you read the status bar?  I cannot on my system: Windows 11, 64 bit with latest NVDA 2022.2.



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Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Gene,

Of course I have been doing this for years now.  BTW, with Mozilla products, to close windows of any kind, control + W also works. It never fails.

I do have an old Thunderbird 102.0 executable version on my old computer. I always download the current release version a few days after I am updated within a program of any kind including Thunderbird.  I am going to save all my mail and then do a total uninstall and reinstall of 102.0 and immediately block any further updates under settings. I will keep things that way until further notice. Maybe, I'll even take your advice and run any future full releases as a portable version first before doing a full install--a kind of shake down cruise.


On 8/7/2022 9:11 AM, Gene wrote:
Here is a correction.  Close the about dialog with either escape or alt f4.  I thought the dialog opened in a new tab but it is somehow a dialog even though it presents itself as a web page.  It closes in the usual way about dialogs close.

Gene

On 8/7/2022 8:05 AM, Gene wrote:
It may be that if you have version 91.x and earlier, you won't update directly to 102.x.  The program may  first update you to an earlier version and from that earlier version the next update may be to 102.exe.  But if you have a recent enough version, you will get an update to 102.exe.

I updated last night.  The version I got last night is 102.1.1.

the page is not worded correctly, whatever is meant. 

In addition, open the about dialog, alt h, a.
Then switch to browse mode so you can move around the page like a web page, which it actually is, NVDA key space.
Move to the top of the page, then start down arrowing.  You will see the version number you are using and a little below that you will see that you are on the main release channel.  The program's own about dialog is telling you what the situation is.

Closed the about dialog with control f4, not alt f4.
Gene

On 8/7/2022 7:19 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Gene,

Well that seems to be true--unless you look at the What's new link.
https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/102.1.1/releasenotes/
Here's what it says:
Thunderbird version 102.1.1 is only offered as direct download from thunderbird.not as an upgrade from Thunderbird version 91 or earlier.
...and even more confusing:
Version 102.1.1, first offered to channel users on August 8, 2022  (which is actually tomorrow.)

I downloaded the 102.0 from within Thunderbird a few weeks ago. Just yesterday, the program auto updated from 102.1.0 to 102.1.1.  This is when I first noticed the status bar issue.

So explain that Gene! It's liked the twilight zone.


On 8/7/2022 4:21 AM, Gene wrote:
I am using the portable version and, though I doubt it, perhaps that accounts for the difference. 

Whatever the case, in a later message, you said that the version you are using isn't available on the download page you were working with.  I don't know where you were looking.  If I look on this page:
https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/
I see links to download Thunderbird.
Here is the first download link and you will see that it gives the 102.x. version number.
https://download.mozilla.org/?product=thunderbird-102.1.1-SSL&os=win64&lang=en-US

On the page I linked to above, not the download link, you will also see a get the beta link.has a get the beta link.  If you follow that, the link to download the beta, the first link offered gives a higher verssion number as below:
https://download.mozilla.org/?product=thunderbird-104.0b2-SSL&os=win64&lang=en-US

I used the copy  link feature of Firefox when I was on the download links.  I am presenting the written out underlying links, not the English wording you see if you just look at the page.

I don't know where you are looking but the page I just gave the link to has correct version availability.

In short, you are using the latest nonbeta version.

Gene
On 8/6/2022 10:48 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Gene,

I can tell you this.  When I use the NVDA keystroke to read the whole screen for desktops insert + B, (useful in dialogues and other things that sometimes don't automatically read) if you listen to all the verbiage, finally at the very end, the status bar is read.  This means that it is still being displayed in some form.


On 8/6/2022 10:52 PM, Gene wrote:
The status bar was not present in the previous version on my machine and it still isn't.

I'm going to check to see if there is even supposed to be a status bar any longer.  We don't know if it has been removed.

Gene

On 8/6/2022 9:40 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Group,

Has anyone upgraded Thunderbird to the latest version 102.1.1?  If so, can you read the status bar?  I cannot on my system: Windows 11, 64 bit with latest NVDA 2022.2.



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Gene
 

You can copy the profile folder to a location outside of the program, then uninstall the version you are running and install the one you want.  If you delete the profile folder in the new copy, and paste the profile you saved to the same location, you will have all your messages, the address book, and I would imagine anything else, such as add-ons, though I don't know about add-ons and other items.

Those who know more about this may comment further.  I'm not sure where the profile is in the installed version.

But if you are talking about saving all your messages and transferring them using a different method, and manually exporting and importing the address book, placing the profile in a new copy of the program eliminates the need for all that work.

I'll add that those were my results, playing with the portable version.  I expect them to be the same if you are copying the profile in an installed version or from an installed version to a portable version.  I haven't verified that. 

You may want to manually save what you want to save, then try the copy profile method so that in case it doesn't work as I expect, you won't have lost anything.

Gene

On 8/7/2022 8:56 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Gene,

Of course I have been doing this for years now.  BTW, with Mozilla products, to close windows of any kind, control + W also works. It never fails.

I do have an old Thunderbird 102.0 executable version on my old computer. I always download the current release version a few days after I am updated within a program of any kind including Thunderbird.  I am going to save all my mail and then do a total uninstall and reinstall of 102.0 and immediately block any further updates under settings. I will keep things that way until further notice. Maybe, I'll even take your advice and run any future full releases as a portable version first before doing a full install--a kind of shake down cruise.


On 8/7/2022 9:11 AM, Gene wrote:
Here is a correction.  Close the about dialog with either escape or alt f4.  I thought the dialog opened in a new tab but it is somehow a dialog even though it presents itself as a web page.  It closes in the usual way about dialogs close.

Gene

On 8/7/2022 8:05 AM, Gene wrote:
It may be that if you have version 91.x and earlier, you won't update directly to 102.x.  The program may  first update you to an earlier version and from that earlier version the next update may be to 102.exe.  But if you have a recent enough version, you will get an update to 102.exe.

I updated last night.  The version I got last night is 102.1.1.

the page is not worded correctly, whatever is meant. 

In addition, open the about dialog, alt h, a.
Then switch to browse mode so you can move around the page like a web page, which it actually is, NVDA key space.
Move to the top of the page, then start down arrowing.  You will see the version number you are using and a little below that you will see that you are on the main release channel.  The program's own about dialog is telling you what the situation is.

Closed the about dialog with control f4, not alt f4.
Gene

On 8/7/2022 7:19 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Gene,

Well that seems to be true--unless you look at the What's new link.
https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/102.1.1/releasenotes/
Here's what it says:
Thunderbird version 102.1.1 is only offered as direct download from thunderbird.not as an upgrade from Thunderbird version 91 or earlier.
...and even more confusing:
Version 102.1.1, first offered to channel users on August 8, 2022  (which is actually tomorrow.)

I downloaded the 102.0 from within Thunderbird a few weeks ago. Just yesterday, the program auto updated from 102.1.0 to 102.1.1.  This is when I first noticed the status bar issue.

So explain that Gene! It's liked the twilight zone.


On 8/7/2022 4:21 AM, Gene wrote:
I am using the portable version and, though I doubt it, perhaps that accounts for the difference. 

Whatever the case, in a later message, you said that the version you are using isn't available on the download page you were working with.  I don't know where you were looking.  If I look on this page:
https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/
I see links to download Thunderbird.
Here is the first download link and you will see that it gives the 102.x. version number.
https://download.mozilla.org/?product=thunderbird-102.1.1-SSL&os=win64&lang=en-US

On the page I linked to above, not the download link, you will also see a get the beta link.has a get the beta link.  If you follow that, the link to download the beta, the first link offered gives a higher verssion number as below:
https://download.mozilla.org/?product=thunderbird-104.0b2-SSL&os=win64&lang=en-US

I used the copy  link feature of Firefox when I was on the download links.  I am presenting the written out underlying links, not the English wording you see if you just look at the page.

I don't know where you are looking but the page I just gave the link to has correct version availability.

In short, you are using the latest nonbeta version.

Gene
On 8/6/2022 10:48 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Gene,

I can tell you this.  When I use the NVDA keystroke to read the whole screen for desktops insert + B, (useful in dialogues and other things that sometimes don't automatically read) if you listen to all the verbiage, finally at the very end, the status bar is read.  This means that it is still being displayed in some form.


On 8/6/2022 10:52 PM, Gene wrote:
The status bar was not present in the previous version on my machine and it still isn't.

I'm going to check to see if there is even supposed to be a status bar any longer.  We don't know if it has been removed.

Gene

On 8/6/2022 9:40 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Group,

Has anyone upgraded Thunderbird to the latest version 102.1.1?  If so, can you read the status bar?  I cannot on my system: Windows 11, 64 bit with latest NVDA 2022.2.



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Gene
 

This method of finding and copying the profile folder to a new installation should work:
It is a long description.  New main steps start on new lines.
Open help in Thunderbird, alt h.
Down arrow to trouble shooting information and press enter.
Tab until you get to a button that says open folder and press the space bar.
You are now in the profile folder.
Back space once.
You should now be on the profile folder.
Copy it to the clipboard.
Close where you are with control f4.
You are now in the main program window.
Close it.
Paste the profile folder wherever you want.  You are copying it in that way just as you copy any other folder.
Uninstall Thunderbird.
Install the version you want.
Follow the same instructions to get to the profile folder and be at it not in it.
Then alt tab and close the program window.

You will be back in the folders and files list.  Delete the profile folder.  Copy the old profile folder folder to gthat location.

Now close the files and folders list with alt f4.
Open thunderbird again.
You will be back in troubleshooting information.
Use control f4 to close it and you will now be in the main program window.

See if everything has been transferred.

If so, there is no more to do.

Gene

On 8/7/2022 9:07 AM, Gene wrote:
You can copy the profile folder to a location outside of the program, then uninstall the version you are running and install the one you want.  If you delete the profile folder in the new copy, and paste the profile you saved to the same location, you will have all your messages, the address book, and I would imagine anything else, such as add-ons, though I don't know about add-ons and other items.

Those who know more about this may comment further.  I'm not sure where the profile is in the installed version.

But if you are talking about saving all your messages and transferring them using a different method, and manually exporting and importing the address book, placing the profile in a new copy of the program eliminates the need for all that work.

I'll add that those were my results, playing with the portable version.  I expect them to be the same if you are copying the profile in an installed version or from an installed version to a portable version.  I haven't verified that. 

You may want to manually save what you want to save, then try the copy profile method so that in case it doesn't work as I expect, you won't have lost anything.

Gene

On 8/7/2022 8:56 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Gene,

Of course I have been doing this for years now.  BTW, with Mozilla products, to close windows of any kind, control + W also works. It never fails.

I do have an old Thunderbird 102.0 executable version on my old computer. I always download the current release version a few days after I am updated within a program of any kind including Thunderbird.  I am going to save all my mail and then do a total uninstall and reinstall of 102.0 and immediately block any further updates under settings. I will keep things that way until further notice. Maybe, I'll even take your advice and run any future full releases as a portable version first before doing a full install--a kind of shake down cruise.


On 8/7/2022 9:11 AM, Gene wrote:
Here is a correction.  Close the about dialog with either escape or alt f4.  I thought the dialog opened in a new tab but it is somehow a dialog even though it presents itself as a web page.  It closes in the usual way about dialogs close.

Gene

On 8/7/2022 8:05 AM, Gene wrote:
It may be that if you have version 91.x and earlier, you won't update directly to 102.x.  The program may  first update you to an earlier version and from that earlier version the next update may be to 102.exe.  But if you have a recent enough version, you will get an update to 102.exe.

I updated last night.  The version I got last night is 102.1.1.

the page is not worded correctly, whatever is meant. 

In addition, open the about dialog, alt h, a.
Then switch to browse mode so you can move around the page like a web page, which it actually is, NVDA key space.
Move to the top of the page, then start down arrowing.  You will see the version number you are using and a little below that you will see that you are on the main release channel.  The program's own about dialog is telling you what the situation is.

Closed the about dialog with control f4, not alt f4.
Gene

On 8/7/2022 7:19 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Gene,

Well that seems to be true--unless you look at the What's new link.
https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/102.1.1/releasenotes/
Here's what it says:
Thunderbird version 102.1.1 is only offered as direct download from thunderbird.not as an upgrade from Thunderbird version 91 or earlier.
...and even more confusing:
Version 102.1.1, first offered to channel users on August 8, 2022  (which is actually tomorrow.)

I downloaded the 102.0 from within Thunderbird a few weeks ago. Just yesterday, the program auto updated from 102.1.0 to 102.1.1.  This is when I first noticed the status bar issue.

So explain that Gene! It's liked the twilight zone.


On 8/7/2022 4:21 AM, Gene wrote:
I am using the portable version and, though I doubt it, perhaps that accounts for the difference. 

Whatever the case, in a later message, you said that the version you are using isn't available on the download page you were working with.  I don't know where you were looking.  If I look on this page:
https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/
I see links to download Thunderbird.
Here is the first download link and you will see that it gives the 102.x. version number.
https://download.mozilla.org/?product=thunderbird-102.1.1-SSL&os=win64&lang=en-US

On the page I linked to above, not the download link, you will also see a get the beta link.has a get the beta link.  If you follow that, the link to download the beta, the first link offered gives a higher verssion number as below:
https://download.mozilla.org/?product=thunderbird-104.0b2-SSL&os=win64&lang=en-US

I used the copy  link feature of Firefox when I was on the download links.  I am presenting the written out underlying links, not the English wording you see if you just look at the page.

I don't know where you are looking but the page I just gave the link to has correct version availability.

In short, you are using the latest nonbeta version.

Gene
On 8/6/2022 10:48 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Gene,

I can tell you this.  When I use the NVDA keystroke to read the whole screen for desktops insert + B, (useful in dialogues and other things that sometimes don't automatically read) if you listen to all the verbiage, finally at the very end, the status bar is read.  This means that it is still being displayed in some form.


On 8/6/2022 10:52 PM, Gene wrote:
The status bar was not present in the previous version on my machine and it still isn't.

I'm going to check to see if there is even supposed to be a status bar any longer.  We don't know if it has been removed.

Gene

On 8/6/2022 9:40 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Group,

Has anyone upgraded Thunderbird to the latest version 102.1.1?  If so, can you read the status bar?  I cannot on my system: Windows 11, 64 bit with latest NVDA 2022.2.



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Hello all,

Just to let you know, that I'm experiencing the same issue in Thunderbird 102.1.1. The problem was only partially present in Thunderbird 102.1.0 and older, but not in version 91 - there the status bar was readable with NVDA with no problems.

When I noticed it occurring in v102.0.0, I filed a report against it here: 1777805 - Status bar reading with NVDA fails if "Spaces Toolbar" is shown (mozilla.org).

I also noticed and reported another bug, related to the "Spaces" toolbar and navigation with F6, which may be related to the status bar reading, but I'm not sure. Here is that other bug report: 1777804 - Keyboard navigation with F6 and Shift+F6 gets stuck with pref `mail.tabs.autoHide=true` and `Spaces Toolbar` hidden (mozilla.org).

In v102.0.0, I also noticed a bug with activation of the link in the headers panel for an RSS news. This was fixed in v102.1.1, but then the status bar reading with NVDA got broken. Coincidence (?) - I don't know. Here is that bug report: 1777802 - RSS feed URL link in the headers panel cannot be activated via the keyboard (mozilla.org).

I'll report the issue with the status bar reading with NVDA from v102.1.1 in this report: 1777805 - Status bar reading with NVDA fails if "Spaces Toolbar" is shown (mozilla.org). Feel free to do the same, to attract the attention of the Mozilla developers to this regression. Hopefully it will get fixed soon.

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На 7.8.2022 г. в 17:07, Gene написа:

You can copy the profile folder to a location outside of the program, then uninstall the version you are running and install the one you want.  If you delete the profile folder in the new copy, and paste the profile you saved to the same location, you will have all your messages, the address book, and I would imagine anything else, such as add-ons, though I don't know about add-ons and other items.

Those who know more about this may comment further.  I'm not sure where the profile is in the installed version.

But if you are talking about saving all your messages and transferring them using a different method, and manually exporting and importing the address book, placing the profile in a new copy of the program eliminates the need for all that work.

I'll add that those were my results, playing with the portable version.  I expect them to be the same if you are copying the profile in an installed version or from an installed version to a portable version.  I haven't verified that. 

You may want to manually save what you want to save, then try the copy profile method so that in case it doesn't work as I expect, you won't have lost anything.

Gene

On 8/7/2022 8:56 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Gene,

Of course I have been doing this for years now.  BTW, with Mozilla products, to close windows of any kind, control + W also works. It never fails.

I do have an old Thunderbird 102.0 executable version on my old computer. I always download the current release version a few days after I am updated within a program of any kind including Thunderbird.  I am going to save all my mail and then do a total uninstall and reinstall of 102.0 and immediately block any further updates under settings. I will keep things that way until further notice. Maybe, I'll even take your advice and run any future full releases as a portable version first before doing a full install--a kind of shake down cruise.


On 8/7/2022 9:11 AM, Gene wrote:
Here is a correction.  Close the about dialog with either escape or alt f4.  I thought the dialog opened in a new tab but it is somehow a dialog even though it presents itself as a web page.  It closes in the usual way about dialogs close.

Gene

On 8/7/2022 8:05 AM, Gene wrote:
It may be that if you have version 91.x and earlier, you won't update directly to 102.x.  The program may  first update you to an earlier version and from that earlier version the next update may be to 102.exe.  But if you have a recent enough version, you will get an update to 102.exe.

I updated last night.  The version I got last night is 102.1.1.

the page is not worded correctly, whatever is meant. 

In addition, open the about dialog, alt h, a.
Then switch to browse mode so you can move around the page like a web page, which it actually is, NVDA key space.
Move to the top of the page, then start down arrowing.  You will see the version number you are using and a little below that you will see that you are on the main release channel.  The program's own about dialog is telling you what the situation is.

Closed the about dialog with control f4, not alt f4.
Gene

On 8/7/2022 7:19 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Gene,

Well that seems to be true--unless you look at the What's new link.
https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/102.1.1/releasenotes/
Here's what it says:
Thunderbird version 102.1.1 is only offered as direct download from thunderbird.not as an upgrade from Thunderbird version 91 or earlier.
...and even more confusing:
Version 102.1.1, first offered to channel users on August 8, 2022  (which is actually tomorrow.)

I downloaded the 102.0 from within Thunderbird a few weeks ago. Just yesterday, the program auto updated from 102.1.0 to 102.1.1.  This is when I first noticed the status bar issue.

So explain that Gene! It's liked the twilight zone.


On 8/7/2022 4:21 AM, Gene wrote:
I am using the portable version and, though I doubt it, perhaps that accounts for the difference. 

Whatever the case, in a later message, you said that the version you are using isn't available on the download page you were working with.  I don't know where you were looking.  If I look on this page:
https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/
I see links to download Thunderbird.
Here is the first download link and you will see that it gives the 102.x. version number.
https://download.mozilla.org/?product=thunderbird-102.1.1-SSL&os=win64&lang=en-US

On the page I linked to above, not the download link, you will also see a get the beta link.has a get the beta link.  If you follow that, the link to download the beta, the first link offered gives a higher verssion number as below:
https://download.mozilla.org/?product=thunderbird-104.0b2-SSL&os=win64&lang=en-US

I used the copy  link feature of Firefox when I was on the download links.  I am presenting the written out underlying links, not the English wording you see if you just look at the page.

I don't know where you are looking but the page I just gave the link to has correct version availability.

In short, you are using the latest nonbeta version.

Gene
On 8/6/2022 10:48 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Gene,

I can tell you this.  When I use the NVDA keystroke to read the whole screen for desktops insert + B, (useful in dialogues and other things that sometimes don't automatically read) if you listen to all the verbiage, finally at the very end, the status bar is read.  This means that it is still being displayed in some form.


On 8/6/2022 10:52 PM, Gene wrote:
The status bar was not present in the previous version on my machine and it still isn't.

I'm going to check to see if there is even supposed to be a status bar any longer.  We don't know if it has been removed.

Gene

On 8/6/2022 9:40 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Group,

Has anyone upgraded Thunderbird to the latest version 102.1.1?  If so, can you read the status bar?  I cannot on my system: Windows 11, 64 bit with latest NVDA 2022.2.



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On Sun, Aug 7, 2022 at 09:05 AM, Gene wrote:
It may be that if you have version 91.x and earlier, you won't update directly to 102.x.  The program may  first update you to an earlier version and from that earlier version the next update may be to 102.exe.  But if you have a recent enough version, you will get an update to 102.exe.

I updated last night.  The version I got last night is 102.1.1.
-
No, Gene, the page is not worded incorrectly.

The most recent RELEASE UPDATE CHANNEL VERSION is 91.12.0. 

There is no direct update to 102.X on the RELEASE UPDATE CHANNEL because that version is not yet on that channel, which is the one where production releases reside and automatic updates occur.

If you have manually updated, at any point, to a release such as 102.X it will continue automatically updating along the release channel it's in, but that is not the usual production release channel.

The 102 series is a beta.  A rose by any other name . . .
 
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Kostadin,

         A personal thanks from me for being a living, breathing, and excellent example of what a beta user (regardless of the software involved) should be doing when using such.  This is how kinks get worked out before software is formally released to the general public via the "usual release channel" for that software.
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