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I get the message "unchecked."
On 8/9/2022 9:31 PM, Gene wrote:
If yew mean in the tool bars submenu of the view menu, it is
checked by default and when I read the status bar, I get the
message no status bar information.
Gene
On 8/9/2022 11:22 PM, Curtis Delzer
wrote:
but, that is what I am using, NVDA, and it is enabled in
latest t-bird.
On 8/9/2022 9:12 PM, Gene wrote:
I
tried both and it isn't read using NVDA.
Gene
On 8/9/2022 11:05 PM, Curtis
Delzer wrote:
they updated so status bar you can under the view menu
enable or disable. 102.1.2.
On 8/6/2022 7:59 PM, Gene
wrote:
This may be something NVDA will have to update. The
status bar is still read when using JAWS. Whether
Thunderbird or NVDA should correct the situation is
something I'll leave to the two sets of developers.
Gene
On 8/6/2022 9:40 PM, Ron
Canazzi wrote:
Hi
Group,
Has anyone upgraded Thunderbird to the latest version
102.1.1? If so, can you read the status bar? I cannot
on my system: Windows 11, 64 bit with latest NVDA
2022.2.
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K6VFO
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Are you saying the read status line command reads it and when does
it read it, when it is checked or unchecked. It shouldn't be shown
if it is unchecked and it shouldn't be read.
Gene
On 8/9/2022 11:43 PM, Curtis Delzer
wrote:
I get the message "unchecked."
On 8/9/2022 9:31 PM, Gene wrote:
If
yew mean in the tool bars submenu of the view menu, it is
checked by default and when I read the status bar, I get the
message no status bar information.
Gene
On 8/9/2022 11:22 PM, Curtis Delzer
wrote:
but, that is what I am using, NVDA, and it is enabled in
latest t-bird.
On 8/9/2022 9:12 PM, Gene wrote:
I
tried both and it isn't read using NVDA.
Gene
On 8/9/2022 11:05 PM, Curtis
Delzer wrote:
they updated so status bar you can under the view menu
enable or disable. 102.1.2.
On 8/6/2022 7:59 PM, Gene
wrote:
This may be something NVDA will have to update. The
status bar is still read when using JAWS. Whether
Thunderbird or NVDA should correct the situation is
something I'll leave to the two sets of developers.
Gene
On 8/6/2022 9:40 PM, Ron
Canazzi wrote:
Hi
Group,
Has anyone upgraded Thunderbird to the latest version
102.1.1? If so, can you read the status bar? I
cannot on my system: Windows 11, 64 bit with latest
NVDA 2022.2.
--
Curtis Delzer
H.S.
K6VFO
Rialto, CA
curtis@...
--
Curtis Delzer
H.S.
K6VFO
Rialto, CA
curtis@...
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H.S.
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Hi, was saying I can disable it or enable it, I thought that was
the issue in the earlier t-bird.
On 8/9/2022 9:46 PM, Gene wrote:
Are you saying the read status line command reads it and when does
it read it, when it is checked or unchecked. It shouldn't be
shown if it is unchecked and it shouldn't be read.
Gene
On 8/9/2022 11:43 PM, Curtis Delzer
wrote:
I get the message "unchecked."
On 8/9/2022 9:31 PM, Gene wrote:
If
yew mean in the tool bars submenu of the view menu, it is
checked by default and when I read the status bar, I get the
message no status bar information.
Gene
On 8/9/2022 11:22 PM, Curtis
Delzer wrote:
but, that is what I am using, NVDA, and it is enabled in
latest t-bird.
On 8/9/2022 9:12 PM, Gene
wrote:
I tried both and it isn't read using NVDA.
Gene
On 8/9/2022 11:05 PM, Curtis
Delzer wrote:
they updated so status bar you can under the view
menu enable or disable. 102.1.2.
On 8/6/2022 7:59 PM, Gene
wrote:
This may be something NVDA will have to update. The
status bar is still read when using JAWS. Whether
Thunderbird or NVDA should correct the situation is
something I'll leave to the two sets of developers.
Gene
On 8/6/2022 9:40 PM, Ron
Canazzi wrote:
Hi
Group,
Has anyone upgraded Thunderbird to the latest
version 102.1.1? If so, can you read the status
bar? I cannot on my system: Windows 11, 64 bit with
latest NVDA 2022.2.
--
Curtis Delzer
H.S.
K6VFO
Rialto, CA
curtis@...
--
Curtis Delzer
H.S.
K6VFO
Rialto, CA
curtis@...
--
Curtis Delzer
H.S.
K6VFO
Rialto, CA
curtis@...
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H.S.
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Rialto, CA
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No. The issue now and in perhaps more than one earlier version is
that when you issue the read status line command, NVDA key end, it
isn't read and the announcement no status line information found, or
something very similar is spoken.
Gene
On 8/10/2022 1:16 AM, Curtis Delzer
wrote:
Hi, was saying I can disable it or enable it, I thought that
was the issue in the earlier t-bird.
On 8/9/2022 9:46 PM, Gene wrote:
Are
you saying the read status line command reads it and when does
it read it, when it is checked or unchecked. It shouldn't be
shown if it is unchecked and it shouldn't be read.
Gene
On 8/9/2022 11:43 PM, Curtis Delzer
wrote:
I get the message "unchecked."
On 8/9/2022 9:31 PM, Gene wrote:
If yew mean in the tool bars submenu of the view menu, it is
checked by default and when I read the status bar, I get the
message no status bar information.
Gene
On 8/9/2022 11:22 PM, Curtis
Delzer wrote:
but, that is what I am using, NVDA, and it is enabled
in latest t-bird.
On 8/9/2022 9:12 PM, Gene
wrote:
I tried both and it isn't read using NVDA.
Gene
On 8/9/2022 11:05 PM,
Curtis Delzer wrote:
they updated so status bar you can under the view
menu enable or disable. 102.1.2.
On 8/6/2022 7:59 PM, Gene
wrote:
This may be something NVDA will have to update. The
status bar is still read when using JAWS. Whether
Thunderbird or NVDA should correct the situation is
something I'll leave to the two sets of developers.
Gene
On 8/6/2022 9:40 PM,
Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi
Group,
Has anyone upgraded Thunderbird to the latest
version 102.1.1? If so, can you read the status
bar? I cannot on my system: Windows 11, 64 bit
with latest NVDA 2022.2.
--
Curtis Delzer
H.S.
K6VFO
Rialto, CA
curtis@...
--
Curtis Delzer
H.S.
K6VFO
Rialto, CA
curtis@...
--
Curtis Delzer
H.S.
K6VFO
Rialto, CA
curtis@...
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What is the importance of a status bar in TB?
On 8/10/2022 5:59 AM, Gene wrote:
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Show quoted text
No. The issue now and in perhaps more than one earlier version is
that when you issue the read status line command, NVDA key end, it
isn't read and the announcement no status line information found,
or something very similar is spoken.
Gene
On 8/10/2022 1:16 AM, Curtis Delzer
wrote:
Hi, was saying I can disable it or enable it, I thought that
was the issue in the earlier t-bird.
On 8/9/2022 9:46 PM, Gene wrote:
Are
you saying the read status line command reads it and when does
it read it, when it is checked or unchecked. It shouldn't be
shown if it is unchecked and it shouldn't be read.
Gene
On 8/9/2022 11:43 PM, Curtis
Delzer wrote:
I get the message "unchecked."
On 8/9/2022 9:31 PM, Gene
wrote:
If yew mean in the tool bars submenu of the view menu, it
is checked by default and when I read the status bar, I
get the message no status bar information.
Gene
On 8/9/2022 11:22 PM, Curtis
Delzer wrote:
but, that is what I am using, NVDA, and it is enabled
in latest t-bird.
On 8/9/2022 9:12 PM, Gene
wrote:
I tried both and it isn't read using NVDA.
Gene
On 8/9/2022 11:05 PM,
Curtis Delzer wrote:
they updated so status bar you can under the view
menu enable or disable. 102.1.2.
On 8/6/2022 7:59 PM,
Gene wrote:
This may be something NVDA will have to update.
The status bar is still read when using JAWS.
Whether Thunderbird or NVDA should correct the
situation is something I'll leave to the two sets
of developers.
Gene
On 8/6/2022 9:40 PM,
Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi
Group,
Has anyone upgraded Thunderbird to the latest
version 102.1.1? If so, can you read the status
bar? I cannot on my system: Windows 11, 64 bit
with latest NVDA 2022.2.
--
Curtis Delzer
H.S.
K6VFO
Rialto, CA
curtis@...
--
Curtis Delzer
H.S.
K6VFO
Rialto, CA
curtis@...
--
Curtis Delzer
H.S.
K6VFO
Rialto, CA
curtis@...
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H.S.
K6VFO
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I am having the same experience. It is checked in the menu but
nvda +end says "no status bar information"
On 2022-08-10 8:59 a.m., Gene wrote:
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Show quoted text
No.
The issue now and in perhaps more than one earlier version is that
when you issue the read status line command, NVDA key end, it
isn't read and the announcement no status line information found,
or something very similar is spoken.
Gene
On 8/10/2022 1:16 AM, Curtis Delzer
wrote:
Hi, was saying I can disable it or enable it, I thought that
was the issue in the earlier t-bird.
On 8/9/2022 9:46 PM, Gene wrote:
Are
you saying the read status line command reads it and when does
it read it, when it is checked or unchecked. It shouldn't be
shown if it is unchecked and it shouldn't be read.
Gene
On 8/9/2022 11:43 PM, Curtis
Delzer wrote:
I get the message "unchecked."
On 8/9/2022 9:31 PM, Gene
wrote:
If yew mean in the tool bars submenu of the view menu, it
is checked by default and when I read the status bar, I
get the message no status bar information.
Gene
On 8/9/2022 11:22 PM, Curtis
Delzer wrote:
but, that is what I am using, NVDA, and it is enabled
in latest t-bird.
On 8/9/2022 9:12 PM, Gene
wrote:
I tried both and it isn't read using NVDA.
Gene
On 8/9/2022 11:05 PM,
Curtis Delzer wrote:
they updated so status bar you can under the view
menu enable or disable. 102.1.2.
On 8/6/2022 7:59 PM,
Gene wrote:
This may be something NVDA will have to update.
The status bar is still read when using JAWS.
Whether Thunderbird or NVDA should correct the
situation is something I'll leave to the two sets
of developers.
Gene
On 8/6/2022 9:40 PM,
Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi
Group,
Has anyone upgraded Thunderbird to the latest
version 102.1.1? If so, can you read the status
bar? I cannot on my system: Windows 11, 64 bit
with latest NVDA 2022.2.
--
Curtis Delzer
H.S.
K6VFO
Rialto, CA
curtis@...
--
Curtis Delzer
H.S.
K6VFO
Rialto, CA
curtis@...
--
Curtis Delzer
H.S.
K6VFO
Rialto, CA
curtis@...
--
Curtis Delzer
H.S.
K6VFO
Rialto, CA
curtis@...
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I don't use it much but it tells you things like the number of
unread messages in the folder you are in and the total number of
messages in a folder. It also tells you if you are online or not.
You can get the information about the number of unread messages by
moving to the tree view, at which time the number of unread messages
in the folder is announced along with a little other information.
You can hear the total number of messages in a folder by being in
the message list and moving to a message and letting the information
read. As in other standard lists, the last information will be
information like 5 of 20, in other words where you are in the list
and the number of items. The status line gives you those pieces of
information more quickly and efficiently but you can get them other
ways.
Gene
On 8/10/2022 8:02 AM, brice Mijares
wrote:
What is the importance of a status bar in TB?
On 8/10/2022 5:59 AM, Gene wrote:
No.
The issue now and in perhaps more than one earlier version is
that when you issue the read status line command, NVDA key end,
it isn't read and the announcement no status line information
found, or something very similar is spoken.
Gene
On 8/10/2022 1:16 AM, Curtis Delzer
wrote:
Hi, was saying I can disable it or enable it, I thought
that was the issue in the earlier t-bird.
On 8/9/2022 9:46 PM, Gene wrote:
Are you saying the read status line command reads it and
when does it read it, when it is checked or unchecked. It
shouldn't be shown if it is unchecked and it shouldn't be
read.
Gene
On 8/9/2022 11:43 PM, Curtis
Delzer wrote:
I get the message "unchecked."
On 8/9/2022 9:31 PM, Gene
wrote:
If yew mean in the tool bars submenu of the view menu,
it is checked by default and when I read the status bar,
I get the message no status bar information.
Gene
On 8/9/2022 11:22 PM,
Curtis Delzer wrote:
but, that is what I am using, NVDA, and it is
enabled in latest t-bird.
On 8/9/2022 9:12 PM, Gene
wrote:
I tried both and it isn't read using NVDA.
Gene
On 8/9/2022 11:05 PM,
Curtis Delzer wrote:
they updated so status bar you can under the
view menu enable or disable. 102.1.2.
On 8/6/2022 7:59 PM,
Gene wrote:
This may be something NVDA will have to update.
The status bar is still read when using JAWS.
Whether Thunderbird or NVDA should correct the
situation is something I'll leave to the two
sets of developers.
Gene
On 8/6/2022 9:40
PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi
Group,
Has anyone upgraded Thunderbird to the latest
version 102.1.1? If so, can you read the
status bar? I cannot on my system: Windows
11, 64 bit with latest NVDA 2022.2.
--
Curtis Delzer
H.S.
K6VFO
Rialto, CA
curtis@...
--
Curtis Delzer
H.S.
K6VFO
Rialto, CA
curtis@...
--
Curtis Delzer
H.S.
K6VFO
Rialto, CA
curtis@...
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I know how many messages in the inbox by listening to NVDA echo 1
of x amount and it is easy to know if you are on line or not. I
could see the need of a statis bar in word processors, but in
email clients, no need for me personally. Have a good one.
On 8/10/2022 6:44 AM, Gene wrote:
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Show quoted text
I don't use it much but it tells you things like the number of
unread messages in the folder you are in and the total number of
messages in a folder. It also tells you if you are online or not.
You can get the information about the number of unread messages by
moving to the tree view, at which time the number of unread
messages in the folder is announced along with a little other
information.
You can hear the total number of messages in a folder by being in
the message list and moving to a message and letting the
information read. As in other standard lists, the last
information will be information like 5 of 20, in other words where
you are in the list and the number of items. The status line
gives you those pieces of information more quickly and efficiently
but you can get them other ways.
Gene
On 8/10/2022 8:02 AM, brice Mijares
wrote:
What is the importance of a status bar in TB?
On 8/10/2022 5:59 AM, Gene wrote:
No. The issue now and in perhaps more than one earlier
version is that when you issue the read status line command,
NVDA key end, it isn't read and the announcement no status
line information found, or something very similar is spoken.
Gene
On 8/10/2022 1:16 AM, Curtis
Delzer wrote:
Hi, was saying I can disable it or enable it, I thought
that was the issue in the earlier t-bird.
On 8/9/2022 9:46 PM, Gene
wrote:
Are you saying the read status line command reads it and
when does it read it, when it is checked or unchecked. It
shouldn't be shown if it is unchecked and it shouldn't be
read.
Gene
On 8/9/2022 11:43 PM, Curtis
Delzer wrote:
I get the message "unchecked."
On 8/9/2022 9:31 PM, Gene
wrote:
If yew mean in the tool bars submenu of the view menu,
it is checked by default and when I read the status
bar, I get the message no status bar information.
Gene
On 8/9/2022 11:22 PM,
Curtis Delzer wrote:
but, that is what I am using, NVDA, and it is
enabled in latest t-bird.
On 8/9/2022 9:12 PM,
Gene wrote:
I tried both and it isn't read using NVDA.
Gene
On 8/9/2022 11:05 PM,
Curtis Delzer wrote:
they updated so status bar you can under the
view menu enable or disable. 102.1.2.
On 8/6/2022 7:59
PM, Gene wrote:
This may be something NVDA will have to
update. The status bar is still read when
using JAWS. Whether Thunderbird or NVDA
should correct the situation is something I'll
leave to the two sets of developers.
Gene
On 8/6/2022 9:40
PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi
Group,
Has anyone upgraded Thunderbird to the
latest version 102.1.1? If so, can you read
the status bar? I cannot on my system:
Windows 11, 64 bit with latest NVDA 2022.2.
--
Curtis Delzer
H.S.
K6VFO
Rialto, CA
curtis@...
--
Curtis Delzer
H.S.
K6VFO
Rialto, CA
curtis@...
--
Curtis Delzer
H.S.
K6VFO
Rialto, CA
curtis@...
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H.S.
K6VFO
Rialto, CA
curtis@...
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Hi Curtis,
If you filter messages and if you group by conversation, reading the
status bar is a quick way of determining how many messages are in a
particular folder and how many are unread.
This is very helpful if like me, you have 17 mailing lists you are
subscribed to and want to select and read only those messages from
each list you are interested in.
On 8/10/2022 9:02 AM, brice Mijares
wrote:
What is the importance of a status bar in TB?
On 8/10/2022 5:59 AM, Gene wrote:
No.
The issue now and in perhaps more than one earlier version is
that when you issue the read status line command, NVDA key end,
it isn't read and the announcement no status line information
found, or something very similar is spoken.
Gene
On 8/10/2022 1:16 AM, Curtis Delzer
wrote:
Hi, was saying I can disable it or enable it, I thought
that was the issue in the earlier t-bird.
On 8/9/2022 9:46 PM, Gene wrote:
Are you saying the read status line command reads it and
when does it read it, when it is checked or unchecked. It
shouldn't be shown if it is unchecked and it shouldn't be
read.
Gene
On 8/9/2022 11:43 PM, Curtis
Delzer wrote:
I get the message "unchecked."
On 8/9/2022 9:31 PM, Gene
wrote:
If yew mean in the tool bars submenu of the view menu,
it is checked by default and when I read the status bar,
I get the message no status bar information.
Gene
On 8/9/2022 11:22 PM,
Curtis Delzer wrote:
but, that is what I am using, NVDA, and it is
enabled in latest t-bird.
On 8/9/2022 9:12 PM, Gene
wrote:
I tried both and it isn't read using NVDA.
Gene
On 8/9/2022 11:05 PM,
Curtis Delzer wrote:
they updated so status bar you can under the
view menu enable or disable. 102.1.2.
On 8/6/2022 7:59 PM,
Gene wrote:
This may be something NVDA will have to update.
The status bar is still read when using JAWS.
Whether Thunderbird or NVDA should correct the
situation is something I'll leave to the two
sets of developers.
Gene
On 8/6/2022 9:40
PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi
Group,
Has anyone upgraded Thunderbird to the latest
version 102.1.1? If so, can you read the
status bar? I cannot on my system: Windows
11, 64 bit with latest NVDA 2022.2.
--
Curtis Delzer
H.S.
K6VFO
Rialto, CA
curtis@...
--
Curtis Delzer
H.S.
K6VFO
Rialto, CA
curtis@...
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H.S.
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and Curtis,
you are probably one of those who complains about too many message
and too high a traffic on lists you are on. I never complain about
this because of my tried and true method of filtering/grouping. Let
'em come; if I am interested they get read and if I'm not they go
bye bye!
On 8/10/2022 12:05 AM, Curtis Delzer
wrote:
they updated so status bar you can under the view menu enable
or disable. 102.1.2.
On 8/6/2022 7:59 PM, Gene wrote:
This
may be something NVDA will have to update. The status bar is
still read when using JAWS. Whether Thunderbird or NVDA should
correct the situation is something I'll leave to the two sets of
developers.
Gene
On 8/6/2022 9:40 PM, Ron Canazzi
wrote:
Hi
Group,
Has anyone upgraded Thunderbird to the latest version
102.1.1? If so, can you read the status bar? I cannot on my
system: Windows 11, 64 bit with latest NVDA 2022.2.
--
Curtis Delzer
H.S.
K6VFO
Rialto, CA
curtis@...
--
Signature:
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I don't group messages in that way. Its interesting to see that use
of the status bar.
Gene
On 8/10/2022 9:33 AM, Ron Canazzi
wrote:
Hi
Curtis,
If you filter messages and if you group by conversation, reading
the status bar is a quick way of determining how many messages are
in a particular folder and how many are unread.
This is very helpful if like me, you have 17 mailing lists you are
subscribed to and want to select and read only those messages from
each list you are interested in.
On 8/10/2022 9:02 AM, brice Mijares
wrote:
What is the importance of a status bar in TB?
On 8/10/2022 5:59 AM, Gene wrote:
No. The issue now and in perhaps more than one earlier
version is that when you issue the read status line command,
NVDA key end, it isn't read and the announcement no status
line information found, or something very similar is spoken.
Gene
On 8/10/2022 1:16 AM, Curtis
Delzer wrote:
Hi, was saying I can disable it or enable it, I thought
that was the issue in the earlier t-bird.
On 8/9/2022 9:46 PM, Gene
wrote:
Are you saying the read status line command reads it and
when does it read it, when it is checked or unchecked. It
shouldn't be shown if it is unchecked and it shouldn't be
read.
Gene
On 8/9/2022 11:43 PM, Curtis
Delzer wrote:
I get the message "unchecked."
On 8/9/2022 9:31 PM, Gene
wrote:
If yew mean in the tool bars submenu of the view menu,
it is checked by default and when I read the status
bar, I get the message no status bar information.
Gene
On 8/9/2022 11:22 PM,
Curtis Delzer wrote:
but, that is what I am using, NVDA, and it is
enabled in latest t-bird.
On 8/9/2022 9:12 PM,
Gene wrote:
I tried both and it isn't read using NVDA.
Gene
On 8/9/2022 11:05 PM,
Curtis Delzer wrote:
they updated so status bar you can under the
view menu enable or disable. 102.1.2.
On 8/6/2022 7:59
PM, Gene wrote:
This may be something NVDA will have to
update. The status bar is still read when
using JAWS. Whether Thunderbird or NVDA
should correct the situation is something I'll
leave to the two sets of developers.
Gene
On 8/6/2022 9:40
PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi
Group,
Has anyone upgraded Thunderbird to the
latest version 102.1.1? If so, can you read
the status bar? I cannot on my system:
Windows 11, 64 bit with latest NVDA 2022.2.
--
Curtis Delzer
H.S.
K6VFO
Rialto, CA
curtis@...
--
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H.S.
K6VFO
Rialto, CA
curtis@...
--
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H.S.
K6VFO
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curtis@...
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H.S.
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hi Gene,
I'm sorry about sounding a bit coarse, but I am on a lot of lists. I
enjoy learning new things. Obviously on heavy traffic lists, I don't
read every message. But using my method of grouping and filtering,
I can literally get between 1000 and 2000 messages daily and spend
between an hour and an hour and a half total in going through them.
Now i don't know how many times, I have gotten e-mails to heavy
traffic lists from people who say things like: "hasn't this thread
gone on long enough" or "moderators please close this topic." When
I contact them, I find out that they have all their messages going
into the inbox and don't know or could care less about filtering and
grouping.
I guess what I'm saying is that people who won't/can't learn about
such things should be on heavy traffic list or if they are they
shouldn't complain about the heavy traffic.
...And before, I get booted from this list, let me say that's about
all I have to say about this topic--since it definitely isn't about
NVDA.
On 8/10/2022 11:17 AM, Gene wrote:
I don't
group messages in that way. Its interesting to see that use of
the status bar.
Gene
On 8/10/2022 9:33 AM, Ron Canazzi
wrote:
Hi Curtis,
If you filter messages and if you group by conversation, reading
the status bar is a quick way of determining how many messages
are in a particular folder and how many are unread.
This is very helpful if like me, you have 17 mailing lists you
are subscribed to and want to select and read only those
messages from each list you are interested in.
On 8/10/2022 9:02 AM, brice Mijares
wrote:
What is the importance of a status bar in TB?
On 8/10/2022 5:59 AM, Gene wrote:
No. The issue now and in perhaps more than one earlier
version is that when you issue the read status line command,
NVDA key end, it isn't read and the announcement no status
line information found, or something very similar is spoken.
Gene
On 8/10/2022 1:16 AM, Curtis
Delzer wrote:
Hi, was saying I can disable it or enable it, I thought
that was the issue in the earlier t-bird.
On 8/9/2022 9:46 PM, Gene
wrote:
Are you saying the read status line command reads it and
when does it read it, when it is checked or unchecked.
It shouldn't be shown if it is unchecked and it
shouldn't be read.
Gene
On 8/9/2022 11:43 PM,
Curtis Delzer wrote:
I get the message "unchecked."
On 8/9/2022 9:31 PM, Gene
wrote:
If yew mean in the tool bars submenu of the view
menu, it is checked by default and when I read the
status bar, I get the message no status bar
information.
Gene
On 8/9/2022 11:22 PM,
Curtis Delzer wrote:
but, that is what I am using, NVDA, and it is
enabled in latest t-bird.
On 8/9/2022 9:12 PM,
Gene wrote:
I tried both and it isn't read using NVDA.
Gene
On 8/9/2022 11:05
PM, Curtis Delzer wrote:
they updated so status bar you can under
the view menu enable or disable. 102.1.2.
On 8/6/2022 7:59
PM, Gene wrote:
This may be something NVDA will have to
update. The status bar is still read when
using JAWS. Whether Thunderbird or NVDA
should correct the situation is something
I'll leave to the two sets of developers.
Gene
On 8/6/2022
9:40 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi
Group,
Has anyone upgraded Thunderbird to the
latest version 102.1.1? If so, can you
read the status bar? I cannot on my
system: Windows 11, 64 bit with latest
NVDA 2022.2.
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There are various ways to deal with heavy traffic lists and you are
discussing one.
I get a lot of messages, though not nearly as many as you. I
usually read them all or most of them because I'm curious and I
would wonder if I had missed anything interesting if I skipped
some. There are, of course, things I'm not interested in and I may
skip.
Since I don't want to skip most messages, I haven't used methods for
managing high volumes of messages. There are certainly ways of
doing so.
One method I know about and that some people may like is that
Groups.io allows you to receive the first message in any thread and
then, I'm not sure how, you have to tell Groups.io that you want to
receive the rest of the messages sent in that thread.
This is related to your discussion. I often see people asking about
something that has been discussed within the last week or two. I
think it is a good idea for people who don't want to read a lot of
mail from various Groups.io lists to use this system. That way, if
they check their messages daily, they would enormously cut down the
number of messages they get and at the same time, know if threads
they are interested in are starting.
of course, topics often drift from the original topic and the thread
continues so this system will cause you to possibly miss discussions
of that sort you would be interested in but it would allow people to
know about many discussions they might miss if they don't follow the
list much because of the high volume of messages on a particular
list.
Gene
On 8/10/2022 10:53 AM, Ron Canazzi
wrote:
hi
Gene,
I'm sorry about sounding a bit coarse, but I am on a lot of lists.
I enjoy learning new things. Obviously on heavy traffic lists, I
don't read every message. But using my method of grouping and
filtering, I can literally get between 1000 and 2000 messages
daily and spend between an hour and an hour and a half total in
going through them.
Now i don't know how many times, I have gotten e-mails to heavy
traffic lists from people who say things like: "hasn't this thread
gone on long enough" or "moderators please close this topic."
When I contact them, I find out that they have all their messages
going into the inbox and don't know or could care less about
filtering and grouping.
I guess what I'm saying is that people who won't/can't learn about
such things should be on heavy traffic list or if they are they
shouldn't complain about the heavy traffic.
...And before, I get booted from this list, let me say that's
about all I have to say about this topic--since it definitely
isn't about NVDA.
On 8/10/2022 11:17 AM, Gene wrote:
I
don't group messages in that way. Its interesting to see that
use of the status bar.
Gene
On 8/10/2022 9:33 AM, Ron Canazzi
wrote:
Hi Curtis,
If you filter messages and if you group by conversation,
reading the status bar is a quick way of determining how many
messages are in a particular folder and how many are unread.
This is very helpful if like me, you have 17 mailing lists you
are subscribed to and want to select and read only those
messages from each list you are interested in.
On 8/10/2022 9:02 AM, brice
Mijares wrote:
What is the importance of a status bar in TB?
On 8/10/2022 5:59 AM, Gene
wrote:
No. The issue now and in perhaps more than one earlier
version is that when you issue the read status line
command, NVDA key end, it isn't read and the announcement
no status line information found, or something very
similar is spoken.
Gene
On 8/10/2022 1:16 AM, Curtis
Delzer wrote:
Hi, was saying I can disable it or enable it, I
thought that was the issue in the earlier t-bird.
On 8/9/2022 9:46 PM, Gene
wrote:
Are you saying the read status line command reads it
and when does it read it, when it is checked or
unchecked. It shouldn't be shown if it is unchecked
and it shouldn't be read.
Gene
On 8/9/2022 11:43 PM,
Curtis Delzer wrote:
I get the message "unchecked."
On 8/9/2022 9:31 PM,
Gene wrote:
If yew mean in the tool bars submenu of the view
menu, it is checked by default and when I read the
status bar, I get the message no status bar
information.
Gene
On 8/9/2022 11:22 PM,
Curtis Delzer wrote:
but, that is what I am using, NVDA, and it is
enabled in latest t-bird.
On 8/9/2022 9:12
PM, Gene wrote:
I tried both and it isn't read using NVDA.
Gene
On 8/9/2022 11:05
PM, Curtis Delzer wrote:
they updated so status bar you can under
the view menu enable or disable. 102.1.2.
On 8/6/2022
7:59 PM, Gene wrote:
This may be something NVDA will have to
update. The status bar is still read when
using JAWS. Whether Thunderbird or NVDA
should correct the situation is something
I'll leave to the two sets of developers.
Gene
On 8/6/2022
9:40 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi
Group,
Has anyone upgraded Thunderbird to the
latest version 102.1.1? If so, can you
read the status bar? I cannot on my
system: Windows 11, 64 bit with latest
NVDA 2022.2.
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when I am looking at the messages list says "You are currently
on-line." from within reading mail it says "no status bar."does in
t-bird 102.1.2.
On 8/10/2022 6:44 AM, Gene wrote:
I don't use it much but it tells you things like the number of
unread messages in the folder you are in and the total number of
messages in a folder. It also tells you if you are online or not.
You can get the information about the number of unread messages by
moving to the tree view, at which time the number of unread
messages in the folder is announced along with a little other
information.
You can hear the total number of messages in a folder by being in
the message list and moving to a message and letting the
information read. As in other standard lists, the last
information will be information like 5 of 20, in other words where
you are in the list and the number of items. The status line
gives you those pieces of information more quickly and efficiently
but you can get them other ways.
Gene
On 8/10/2022 8:02 AM, brice Mijares
wrote:
What is the importance of a status bar in TB?
On 8/10/2022 5:59 AM, Gene wrote:
No. The issue now and in perhaps more than one earlier
version is that when you issue the read status line command,
NVDA key end, it isn't read and the announcement no status
line information found, or something very similar is spoken.
Gene
On 8/10/2022 1:16 AM, Curtis
Delzer wrote:
Hi, was saying I can disable it or enable it, I thought
that was the issue in the earlier t-bird.
On 8/9/2022 9:46 PM, Gene
wrote:
Are you saying the read status line command reads it and
when does it read it, when it is checked or unchecked. It
shouldn't be shown if it is unchecked and it shouldn't be
read.
Gene
On 8/9/2022 11:43 PM, Curtis
Delzer wrote:
I get the message "unchecked."
On 8/9/2022 9:31 PM, Gene
wrote:
If yew mean in the tool bars submenu of the view menu,
it is checked by default and when I read the status
bar, I get the message no status bar information.
Gene
On 8/9/2022 11:22 PM,
Curtis Delzer wrote:
but, that is what I am using, NVDA, and it is
enabled in latest t-bird.
On 8/9/2022 9:12 PM,
Gene wrote:
I tried both and it isn't read using NVDA.
Gene
On 8/9/2022 11:05 PM,
Curtis Delzer wrote:
they updated so status bar you can under the
view menu enable or disable. 102.1.2.
On 8/6/2022 7:59
PM, Gene wrote:
This may be something NVDA will have to
update. The status bar is still read when
using JAWS. Whether Thunderbird or NVDA
should correct the situation is something I'll
leave to the two sets of developers.
Gene
On 8/6/2022 9:40
PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi
Group,
Has anyone upgraded Thunderbird to the
latest version 102.1.1? If so, can you read
the status bar? I cannot on my system:
Windows 11, 64 bit with latest NVDA 2022.2.
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H.S.
K6VFO
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H.S.
K6VFO
Rialto, CA
curtis@...
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H.S.
K6VFO
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H.S.
K6VFO
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no I hadn't said a thing about any of that, so probably doesn't
fit. sorry.
On 8/10/2022 7:36 AM, Ron Canazzi
wrote:
and Curtis,
you are probably one of those who complains about too many message
and too high a traffic on lists you are on. I never complain
about this because of my tried and true method of
filtering/grouping. Let 'em come; if I am interested they get read
and if I'm not they go bye bye!
On 8/10/2022 12:05 AM, Curtis Delzer
wrote:
they updated so status bar you can under the view menu enable
or disable. 102.1.2.
On 8/6/2022 7:59 PM, Gene wrote:
This may be something NVDA will have to update. The status
bar is still read when using JAWS. Whether Thunderbird or
NVDA should correct the situation is something I'll leave to
the two sets of developers.
Gene
On 8/6/2022 9:40 PM, Ron Canazzi
wrote:
Hi
Group,
Has anyone upgraded Thunderbird to the latest version
102.1.1? If so, can you read the status bar? I cannot on
my system: Windows 11, 64 bit with latest NVDA 2022.2.
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Unsurprisingly (at least to me) the issue identified in the topic has been recognized by the developer of the Mozilla Apps Enhancements add-on and a fix is already in the pipeline, but not yet released. For details, see the topic:
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If the problem is solved in that way, that's good, but the add-on
wasn't necessary before to read the status line so this is really
something Mozilla should fix in the program.
Gene
On 8/14/2022 11:31 AM, Brian Vogel
wrote:
Unsurprisingly (at
least to me) the issue identified in the topic has been recognized
by the developer of the Mozilla Apps Enhancements add-on and a fix
is already in the pipeline, but not yet released. For details,
see the topic:
in the NVDA Add-Ons Development group.
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On Sun, Aug 14, 2022 at 01:07 PM, Gene wrote:
but the add-on wasn't necessary before to read the status line so this is really something Mozilla should fix in the program.
- Possibly, but not necessarily. There are times when exactly how something is implemented will shift. We saw a lot of that at the time of the introduction of Windows 10, and Microsoft gave several years of warning of what was coming down the pike. Screen reader coders then had to add code for those new ways of doing things. It could be that there has been some sort of implementation shift for the status line. I don't know for certain about that, but there are times when it's something that the application has accidentally screwed up, and should fix, and at other times its an application change that screen reader developers must accommodate. So I won't say whose job it is to fix this. If Javi Dominguez happens to be reading this topic, he could almost certainly shed light on what's actually occurred and whose responsibility "the fix" is. --
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Hello all,
Maybe this should be addressed to the NVDA development mailing
list as well, but for now I'll post it just here.
There was a reply to the bug that I've reported about the status
bar reading by NVDA in Thunderbird 102. In it they ask me to
inform the NVDA developers about the things written in comment #7
in the same bug report. So, here is what is written in that
comment and after that I'll give a link to that bug report:
Looking through the patch, I can't see any change to the status
bar that would obviously cause a problem.
This works fine with Orca, and bug 1777184 improved the
situation on Orca. So it does seem NVDA specific and would
likely require some insight from their end. It is not clear to
me what counts as the "status bar" on NVDA. On Orca it seems
that role="status" is
sufficient, but NVDA might be more restrictive and the
introduction of the spaces toolbar (https://hg.mozilla.org/comm-central/rev/58db526a877f6be23f1d2028375d041ac76f97bc)
and the reduction of the status area (bug 1777184) somehow break the conditions. Or
it could be that there is some other element with the same
"status" role that is empty but takes higher priority.
Link to the bug report
in Bugzilla: 1777805
- Status bar reading with NVDA fails if "Spaces Toolbar" is
shown (mozilla.org).
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Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev
На 7.8.2022 г. в 17:28, Kostadin Kolev
написа:
Hello all,
Just to let you know, that I'm experiencing the same issue in
Thunderbird 102.1.1. The problem was only partially present in
Thunderbird 102.1.0 and older, but not in version 91 - there the
status bar was readable with NVDA with no problems.
When I noticed it occurring in v102.0.0, I filed a report
against it here: 1777805 - Status bar reading with NVDA
fails if "Spaces Toolbar" is shown (mozilla.org).
I also noticed and reported another bug, related to the
"Spaces" toolbar and navigation with F6, which may be related to
the status bar reading, but I'm not sure. Here is that other bug
report: 1777804 - Keyboard navigation with F6
and Shift+F6 gets stuck with pref `mail.tabs.autoHide=true`
and `Spaces Toolbar` hidden (mozilla.org).
In v102.0.0, I also noticed a bug with activation of the link
in the headers panel for an RSS news. This was fixed in
v102.1.1, but then the status bar reading with NVDA got broken.
Coincidence (?) - I don't know. Here is that bug report: 1777802 - RSS feed URL link in the
headers panel cannot be activated via the keyboard
(mozilla.org).
I'll report the issue with the status bar reading with NVDA
from v102.1.1 in this report: 1777805 - Status bar reading with NVDA
fails if "Spaces Toolbar" is shown (mozilla.org). Feel
free to do the same, to attract the attention of the Mozilla
developers to this regression. Hopefully it will get fixed soon.
______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev
На 7.8.2022 г. в 17:07, Gene написа:
You can copy the profile folder to a location outside of the
program, then uninstall the version you are running and install
the one you want. If you delete the profile folder in the new
copy, and paste the profile you saved to the same location, you
will have all your messages, the address book, and I would
imagine anything else, such as add-ons, though I don't know
about add-ons and other items.
Those who know more about this may comment further. I'm not
sure where the profile is in the installed version.
But if you are talking about saving all your messages and
transferring them using a different method, and manually
exporting and importing the address book, placing the profile in
a new copy of the program eliminates the need for all that work.
I'll add that those were my results, playing with the portable
version. I expect them to be the same if you are copying the
profile in an installed version or from an installed version to
a portable version. I haven't verified that.
You may want to manually save what you want to save, then try
the copy profile method so that in case it doesn't work as I
expect, you won't have lost anything.
Gene
On 8/7/2022 8:56 AM, Ron Canazzi
wrote:
Hi Gene,
Of course I have been doing this for years now. BTW, with
Mozilla products, to close windows of any kind, control + W
also works. It never fails.
I do have an old Thunderbird 102.0 executable version on my
old computer. I always download the current release version a
few days after I am updated within a program of any kind
including Thunderbird. I am going to save all my mail and
then do a total uninstall and reinstall of 102.0 and
immediately block any further updates under settings. I will
keep things that way until further notice. Maybe, I'll even
take your advice and run any future full releases as a
portable version first before doing a full install--a kind of
shake down cruise.
On 8/7/2022 9:11 AM, Gene wrote:
Here is a correction. Close the about dialog with either
escape or alt f4. I thought the dialog opened in a new tab
but it is somehow a dialog even though it presents itself as
a web page. It closes in the usual way about dialogs close.
Gene
On 8/7/2022 8:05 AM, Gene
wrote:
It may be that if you have version 91.x and earlier, you
won't update directly to 102.x. The program may first
update you to an earlier version and from that earlier
version the next update may be to 102.exe. But if you
have a recent enough version, you will get an update to
102.exe.
I updated last night. The version I got last night is
102.1.1.
the page is not worded correctly, whatever is meant.
In addition, open the about dialog, alt h, a.
Then switch to browse mode so you can move around the page
like a web page, which it actually is, NVDA key space.
Move to the top of the page, then start down arrowing.
You will see the version number you are using and a little
below that you will see that you are on the main release
channel. The program's own about dialog is telling you
what the situation is.
Closed the about dialog with control f4, not alt f4.
Gene
On 8/7/2022 7:19 AM, Ron
Canazzi wrote:
Hi Gene,
Well that seems to be true--unless you look at the
What's new link.
https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/102.1.1/releasenotes/
Here's what it says:
Thunderbird version 102.1.1 is only offered as direct
download from thunderbird.not as an upgrade from
Thunderbird version 91 or earlier.
...and even more confusing:
Version 102.1.1, first offered to channel users on
August 8, 2022 (which is actually tomorrow.)
I downloaded the 102.0 from within Thunderbird a few
weeks ago. Just yesterday, the program auto updated from
102.1.0 to 102.1.1. This is when I first noticed the
status bar issue.
So explain that Gene! It's liked the twilight zone.
On 8/7/2022 4:21 AM, Gene
wrote:
I am using the portable version and, though I doubt
it, perhaps that accounts for the difference.
Whatever the case, in a later message, you said that
the version you are using isn't available on the
download page you were working with. I don't know
where you were looking. If I look on this page:
https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/
I see links to download Thunderbird.
Here is the first download link and you will see that
it gives the 102.x. version number.
https://download.mozilla.org/?product=thunderbird-102.1.1-SSL&os=win64&lang=en-US
On the page I linked to above, not the download link,
you will also see a get the beta link.has a get the
beta link. If you follow that, the link to download
the beta, the first link offered gives a higher
verssion number as below:
https://download.mozilla.org/?product=thunderbird-104.0b2-SSL&os=win64&lang=en-US
I used the copy link feature of Firefox when I was on
the download links. I am presenting the written out
underlying links, not the English wording you see if
you just look at the page.
I don't know where you are looking but the page I just
gave the link to has correct version availability.
In short, you are using the latest nonbeta version.
Gene
On 8/6/2022 10:48 PM, Ron
Canazzi wrote:
Hi Gene,
I can tell you this. When I use the NVDA keystroke
to read the whole screen for desktops insert + B,
(useful in dialogues and other things that sometimes
don't automatically read) if you listen to all the
verbiage, finally at the very end, the status bar is
read. This means that it is still being displayed
in some form.
On 8/6/2022 10:52 PM,
Gene wrote:
The status bar was not present in the previous
version on my machine and it still isn't.
I'm going to check to see if there is even
supposed to be a status bar any longer. We don't
know if it has been removed.
Gene
On 8/6/2022 9:40 PM,
Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi
Group,
Has anyone upgraded Thunderbird to the latest
version 102.1.1? If so, can you read the status
bar? I cannot on my system: Windows 11, 64 bit
with latest NVDA 2022.2.
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Hi There,
Mozilla apps enhancement 1.17 fixes this issue.
On 10/10/2022 2:28 AM, Kostadin Kolev
wrote:
Hello all,
Maybe this should be addressed to the NVDA development mailing
list as well, but for now I'll post it just here.
There was a reply to the bug that I've reported about the
status bar reading by NVDA in Thunderbird 102. In it they ask me
to inform the NVDA developers about the things written in
comment #7 in the same bug report. So, here is what is written
in that comment and after that I'll give a link to that bug
report:
Looking through the patch, I can't see any change to the
status bar that would obviously cause a problem.
This works fine with Orca, and bug 1777184 improved
the situation on Orca. So it does seem NVDA specific and would
likely require some insight from their end. It is not clear to
me what counts as the "status bar" on NVDA. On Orca it seems
that role="status" is
sufficient, but NVDA might be more restrictive and the
introduction of the spaces toolbar (https://hg.mozilla.org/comm-central/rev/58db526a877f6be23f1d2028375d041ac76f97bc)
and the reduction of the status area (bug 1777184)
somehow break the conditions. Or it could be that there is
some other element with the same "status" role that is empty
but takes higher priority.
Link to the bug report in Bugzilla: 1777805 - Status bar reading with NVDA
fails if "Spaces Toolbar" is shown (mozilla.org).
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Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev
На 7.8.2022 г. в 17:28, Kostadin
Kolev написа:
Hello all,
Just to let you know, that I'm experiencing the same issue
in Thunderbird 102.1.1. The problem was only partially present
in Thunderbird 102.1.0 and older, but not in version 91 -
there the status bar was readable with NVDA with no problems.
When I noticed it occurring in v102.0.0, I filed a report
against it here: 1777805 - Status bar reading with
NVDA fails if "Spaces Toolbar" is shown (mozilla.org).
I also noticed and reported another bug, related to the
"Spaces" toolbar and navigation with F6, which may be related
to the status bar reading, but I'm not sure. Here is that
other bug report: 1777804 - Keyboard navigation with F6
and Shift+F6 gets stuck with pref `mail.tabs.autoHide=true`
and `Spaces Toolbar` hidden (mozilla.org).
In v102.0.0, I also noticed a bug with activation of the link
in the headers panel for an RSS news. This was fixed in
v102.1.1, but then the status bar reading with NVDA got
broken. Coincidence (?) - I don't know. Here is that bug
report: 1777802 - RSS feed URL link in the
headers panel cannot be activated via the keyboard
(mozilla.org).
I'll report the issue with the status bar reading with NVDA
from v102.1.1 in this report: 1777805 - Status bar reading with
NVDA fails if "Spaces Toolbar" is shown (mozilla.org).
Feel free to do the same, to attract the attention of the
Mozilla developers to this regression. Hopefully it will get
fixed soon.
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Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev
На 7.8.2022 г. в 17:07, Gene
написа:
You
can copy the profile folder to a location outside of the
program, then uninstall the version you are running and
install the one you want. If you delete the profile folder in
the new copy, and paste the profile you saved to the same
location, you will have all your messages, the address book,
and I would imagine anything else, such as add-ons, though I
don't know about add-ons and other items.
Those who know more about this may comment further. I'm not
sure where the profile is in the installed version.
But if you are talking about saving all your messages and
transferring them using a different method, and manually
exporting and importing the address book, placing the profile
in a new copy of the program eliminates the need for all that
work.
I'll add that those were my results, playing with the portable
version. I expect them to be the same if you are copying the
profile in an installed version or from an installed version
to a portable version. I haven't verified that.
You may want to manually save what you want to save, then try
the copy profile method so that in case it doesn't work as I
expect, you won't have lost anything.
Gene
On 8/7/2022 8:56 AM, Ron Canazzi
wrote:
Hi Gene,
Of course I have been doing this for years now. BTW, with
Mozilla products, to close windows of any kind, control + W
also works. It never fails.
I do have an old Thunderbird 102.0 executable version on my
old computer. I always download the current release version
a few days after I am updated within a program of any kind
including Thunderbird. I am going to save all my mail and
then do a total uninstall and reinstall of 102.0 and
immediately block any further updates under settings. I will
keep things that way until further notice. Maybe, I'll even
take your advice and run any future full releases as a
portable version first before doing a full install--a kind
of shake down cruise.
On 8/7/2022 9:11 AM, Gene
wrote:
Here is a correction. Close the about dialog with either
escape or alt f4. I thought the dialog opened in a new
tab but it is somehow a dialog even though it presents
itself as a web page. It closes in the usual way about
dialogs close.
Gene
On 8/7/2022 8:05 AM, Gene
wrote:
It may be that if you have version 91.x and earlier, you
won't update directly to 102.x. The program may first
update you to an earlier version and from that earlier
version the next update may be to 102.exe. But if you
have a recent enough version, you will get an update to
102.exe.
I updated last night. The version I got last night is
102.1.1.
the page is not worded correctly, whatever is meant.
In addition, open the about dialog, alt h, a.
Then switch to browse mode so you can move around the
page like a web page, which it actually is, NVDA key
space.
Move to the top of the page, then start down arrowing.
You will see the version number you are using and a
little below that you will see that you are on the main
release channel. The program's own about dialog is
telling you what the situation is.
Closed the about dialog with control f4, not alt f4.
Gene
On 8/7/2022 7:19 AM, Ron
Canazzi wrote:
Hi Gene,
Well that seems to be true--unless you look at the
What's new link.
https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/102.1.1/releasenotes/
Here's what it says:
Thunderbird version 102.1.1 is only offered as direct
download from thunderbird.not as an upgrade from
Thunderbird version 91 or earlier.
...and even more confusing:
Version 102.1.1, first offered to channel users on
August 8, 2022 (which is actually tomorrow.)
I downloaded the 102.0 from within Thunderbird a few
weeks ago. Just yesterday, the program auto updated
from 102.1.0 to 102.1.1. This is when I first noticed
the status bar issue.
So explain that Gene! It's liked the twilight zone.
On 8/7/2022 4:21 AM, Gene
wrote:
I am using the portable version and, though I doubt
it, perhaps that accounts for the difference.
Whatever the case, in a later message, you said that
the version you are using isn't available on the
download page you were working with. I don't know
where you were looking. If I look on this page:
https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/
I see links to download Thunderbird.
Here is the first download link and you will see
that it gives the 102.x. version number.
https://download.mozilla.org/?product=thunderbird-102.1.1-SSL&os=win64&lang=en-US
On the page I linked to above, not the download
link, you will also see a get the beta link.has a
get the beta link. If you follow that, the link to
download the beta, the first link offered gives a
higher verssion number as below:
https://download.mozilla.org/?product=thunderbird-104.0b2-SSL&os=win64&lang=en-US
I used the copy link feature of Firefox when I was
on the download links. I am presenting the written
out underlying links, not the English wording you
see if you just look at the page.
I don't know where you are looking but the page I
just gave the link to has correct version
availability.
In short, you are using the latest nonbeta version.
Gene
On 8/6/2022 10:48 PM,
Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Gene,
I can tell you this. When I use the NVDA
keystroke to read the whole screen for desktops
insert + B, (useful in dialogues and other things
that sometimes don't automatically read) if you
listen to all the verbiage, finally at the very
end, the status bar is read. This means that it
is still being displayed in some form.
On 8/6/2022 10:52 PM,
Gene wrote:
The status bar was not present in the previous
version on my machine and it still isn't.
I'm going to check to see if there is even
supposed to be a status bar any longer. We
don't know if it has been removed.
Gene
On 8/6/2022 9:40
PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi
Group,
Has anyone upgraded Thunderbird to the latest
version 102.1.1? If so, can you read the
status bar? I cannot on my system: Windows
11, 64 bit with latest NVDA 2022.2.
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