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Update on previously mentioned issue with single-letternavigation
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Chris Mullins
Hi With “Speak Typed Characters” set to on NVDA has to announce the letter pressed first then the name of the object to which focus has moved and the delay between the 2 announcements is understandable as it makes them distinct. The delay between the 2 announcements is arguably a little longer than necessary but as to whether this could be shortened programmatically or even made dynamically adjustable is something only the developers would know.
Cheers Chris
From: Sharni-Lee Ward
Sent: 10 September 2020 03:20 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] Update on previously mentioned issue with single-letternavigation
I stated back when I first updated to the latest version of NVDA that I was getting a delayed response when using single-letter navigation, where I would press the key and would have to wait half a second to hear the cursor's new position. I turned off "Speak Typed Characters" for an unrelated reason this morning, and when using single-letter navigation on the desktop, the response was immediate.
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Gene
I just checked this. NVDA is set not to announce quick navigation keys when in browse mode. I tried many, h for move by heading, b for button, x for check box and r for radio button. None were spoken.
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However, in the case of the person with the problem, since turning off speak typed carachters stopped the lag, it raises the question as to whether in her case, something is being generated that shouldn't be. I would think a log would be important. Gene
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From: Chris Mullins Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 4:28 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Update on previously mentioned issue with single-letternavigation Hi With “Speak Typed Characters” set to on NVDA has to announce the letter pressed first then the name of the object to which focus has moved and the delay between the 2 announcements is understandable as it makes them distinct. The delay between the 2 announcements is arguably a little longer than necessary but as to whether this could be shortened programmatically or even made dynamically adjustable is something only the developers would know. Cheers Chris From: Sharni-Lee Ward Sent: 10 September 2020 03:20 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] Update on previously mentioned issue with single-letternavigation I stated back when I first updated to the latest version of NVDA that I was getting a delayed response when using single-letter navigation, where I would press the key and would have to wait half a second to hear the cursor's new position. I turned off "Speak Typed Characters" for an unrelated reason this morning, and when using single-letter navigation on the desktop, the response was immediate.
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Quentin Christensen
Yes I just tried to work out the same thing - the only thing I can think is the question I asked previously - are you using any add-ons? Maybe Mozilla app enhancements or something else which affects browsers?
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Luke Davis
Quentin, Gene, et al
I will point out, that in her original message, she did mention the desktop. That suggests to me that she is using the letters in question to jump to icons on the desktop. Nothing was said about browse mode shortcuts in her message, although all commenters so far seem to have taken it that way. Luke
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Gene
I read the message again and I see it discusses the desktop and not quick navigation commands in browse mode. I also checked and I see that when moving by letter on the desktop, letters are announced. So, somehow, that may be related to the problem.
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I think of single letter navigation as what is used as quick navigation commands on web pages and I didn't realize the message was talking about the desktop. When navigating on the desktop or other lists, the term usually used is first letter navigation, and not seeing it and seeing the other caused me to misread the message. Gene
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From: Luke Davis Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 7:05 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Update on previously mentioned issue with single-letternavigation Quentin, Gene, et al I will point out, that in her original message, she did mention the desktop. That suggests to me that she is using the letters in question to jump to icons on the desktop. Nothing was said about browse mode shortcuts in her message, although all commenters so far seem to have taken it that way. Luke
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Quentin Christensen
I too read "Single letter navigation", which is a specific term used to indicate pressing say H to move to the next heading on a web page. So, now we know it's "First letter navigation" on the desktop, yes I can replicate. We do have an issue for this here: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/10971 The workaround I'd suggest is to create a configuration profile for explorer (when on the desktop) and in that profile, turn off speak typed characters and speak command keys. I wrote a piece for In-Process on doing this awhile ago. The specific steps in the article are to change the "Say all" profile, but at the step where you create a new profile, tab to "Use this profile for" and right arrow to "Current program", it will set it up for the current program. (Otherwise it is also covered in several topics in Basic Training for NVDA in more depth). Kind regards Quentin.
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