I use the capslock key even in desktop mode as for me the keys just make
better sence. I don't mind hitting capslock twice, this actually has saved
me from oopsies, such as shouthign at people. Lol!

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of William
Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2022 8:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Whether or not recommending new NVDA user to set Capslock as
NVDA key

Hi all,

I would like to ask for your opinion.

Some new NVDA users, including desktop and laptop owners, will ask for my
opinion on whether they should set the Capslock as the NVDA key.

With regard to desktop and laptop environment, the logic that I have
provided them are as follows:

1. setting Capslock key as NVDA key, you have to press the key two times in
order to input capital letters. But if you have to frequently press the
Capslock key to type capital letters, then setting Capslock key as NVDA key
will not be a good option.

2. setting Capslock key as NVDA key, you have one more option of NVDA key,
which you can choose from using the Capslock key or Insert key as the NVDA
key. But if you do not set Capslock as NVDA key, you will most probably have
to limit to pressing Insert key (laptop) or Insert key or Numpad 0
(desktop).


How would you advice new NVDA users if they own a desktop or laptop
regarding this issue? thanks.

Well its prefference.
I mean I like the capslock as modifier key because of its central location.
And I set all my boxes like that but insert on my laptop is not in the
right place and I have got used to it.
Caps lock is always in the same place.
Of course if you need to use caps a lot then maybe not no rule its
user experience.

On 23/05/2022, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:
> I use the capslock key even in desktop mode as  for me the keys just make
> better sence. I don't mind hitting capslock twice, this actually has saved
> me from oopsies, such as shouthign at people. Lol!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of William
> Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2022 8:14 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] Whether or not recommending new NVDA user to set Capslock as
> NVDA key
>
> Hi all,
>
> I would like to ask for your opinion.
>
> Some new NVDA users, including desktop and laptop owners, will ask for my
> opinion on whether they should set the Capslock as the NVDA key.
>
> With regard to desktop and laptop environment, the logic that I have
> provided them are as follows:
>
> 1. setting Capslock key as NVDA key, you have to press the key two times in
> order to input capital letters. But if you have to frequently press the
> Capslock key to type capital letters, then setting Capslock key as NVDA key
> will not be a good option.
>
> 2. setting Capslock key as NVDA key, you have one more option of NVDA key,
> which you can choose from using the Capslock key or Insert key as the NVDA
> key. But if you do not set Capslock as NVDA key, you will most probably have
> to limit to pressing Insert key (laptop) or Insert key or Numpad 0
> (desktop).
>
>
> How would you advice new NVDA users if they own a desktop or laptop
> regarding this issue? thanks.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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>
>

Hi all,

I would like to ask for your opinion.

Some new NVDA users, including desktop and laptop owners, will ask for

my opinion on whether they should set the Capslock as the NVDA key.

With regard to desktop and laptop environment, the logic that I have

provided them are as follows:

1. setting Capslock key as NVDA key, you have to press the key two times

in order to input capital letters. But if you have to frequently press

the Capslock key to type capital letters, then setting Capslock key as

NVDA key will not be a good option.

2. setting Capslock key as NVDA key, you have one more option of NVDA

key, which you can choose from using the Capslock key or Insert key as

the NVDA key. But if you do not set Capslock as NVDA key, you will most

probably have to limit to pressing Insert key (laptop) or Insert key or

Numpad 0 (desktop).

How would you advice new NVDA users if they own a desktop or laptop

regarding this issue? thanks.

Hi

I always set Caps Lock as an NVDA modifier Because as a touch typist, it is
more convenient to have a modifier key on each side of the keyboard to
facilitate command entry.   For the same reason, I always get an external
keyboard with 2 Windows keys.



I rarely type in all capitals so the double press of the Caps Lock to engage
capital input is not an issue as using the shift key is not difficult.



Cheers

                Chris

Sent from Mail for Windows



From: William
Sent: 23 May 2022 04:14
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Whether or not recommending new NVDA user to set Capslock as
NVDA key



Hi all,



I would like to ask for your opinion.



Some new NVDA users, including desktop and laptop owners, will ask for

my opinion on whether they should set the Capslock as the NVDA key.



With regard to desktop and laptop environment, the logic that I have

provided them are as follows:



1. setting Capslock key as NVDA key, you have to press the key two times

in order to input capital letters. But if you have to frequently press

the Capslock key to type capital letters, then setting Capslock key as

NVDA key will not be a good option.



2. setting Capslock key as NVDA key, you have one more option of NVDA

key, which you can choose from using the Capslock key or Insert key as

the NVDA key. But if you do not set Capslock as NVDA key, you will most

probably have to limit to pressing Insert key (laptop) or Insert key or

Numpad 0 (desktop).





How would you advice new NVDA users if they own a desktop or laptop

regarding this issue? thanks.

Does JAWS have this option? The only reason I ask is because JAWS was
the first screen reader I used, and this was not the modifier.
Therefore, I've found it quite strange to use that key, even though
NVDA has had it as an option ever since I've been using it. It's also
why I wasn't a fan of the revamped Narrator when it came out, because
that was its only modifier. That being said, it's really user
preference as has been stated before.

On 5/23/22, Chris Mullins <cjmullins29@...> wrote:

Hi

I always set Caps Lock as an NVDA modifier Because as a touch typist, it is
more convenient to have a modifier key on each side of the keyboard to
facilitate command entry.   For the same reason, I always get an external
keyboard with 2 Windows keys.



I rarely type in all capitals so the double press of the Caps Lock to engage
capital input is not an issue as using the shift key is not difficult.



Cheers

                Chris

Sent from Mail for Windows



From: William
Sent: 23 May 2022 04:14
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Whether or not recommending new NVDA user to set Capslock as
NVDA key



Hi all,



I would like to ask for your opinion.



Some new NVDA users, including desktop and laptop owners, will ask for

my opinion on whether they should set the Capslock as the NVDA key.



With regard to desktop and laptop environment, the logic that I have

provided them are as follows:



1. setting Capslock key as NVDA key, you have to press the key two times

in order to input capital letters. But if you have to frequently press

the Capslock key to type capital letters, then setting Capslock key as

NVDA key will not be a good option.



2. setting Capslock key as NVDA key, you have one more option of NVDA

key, which you can choose from using the Capslock key or Insert key as

the NVDA key. But if you do not set Capslock as NVDA key, you will most

probably have to limit to pressing Insert key (laptop) or Insert key or

Numpad 0 (desktop).





How would you advice new NVDA users if they own a desktop or laptop

regarding this issue? thanks.

Hi

I always set Caps Lock as an NVDA modifier Because as a touch typist,
it is more convenient to have a modifier key on each side of the
keyboard to facilitate command entry. For the same reason, I always
get an external keyboard with 2 Windows keys.



I rarely type in all capitals so the double press of the Caps Lock to
engage capital input is not an issue as using the shift key is not difficult.



Cheers

Chris

Sent from Mail for Windows



From: William
Sent: 23 May 2022 04:14
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Whether or not recommending new NVDA user to set
Capslock as NVDA key



Hi all,



I would like to ask for your opinion.



Some new NVDA users, including desktop and laptop owners, will ask for

my opinion on whether they should set the Capslock as the NVDA key.



With regard to desktop and laptop environment, the logic that I have

provided them are as follows:



1. setting Capslock key as NVDA key, you have to press the key two
times

in order to input capital letters. But if you have to frequently press

the Capslock key to type capital letters, then setting Capslock key as

NVDA key will not be a good option.



2. setting Capslock key as NVDA key, you have one more option of NVDA

key, which you can choose from using the Capslock key or Insert key as

the NVDA key. But if you do not set Capslock as NVDA key, you will
most

probably have to limit to pressing Insert key (laptop) or Insert key
or

Numpad 0 (desktop).





How would you advice new NVDA users if they own a desktop or laptop

regarding this issue? thanks.

On Mon, May 23, 2022 at 01:39 PM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:

Does JAWS have this option?

-
I don't know whether JAWS allows the simultaneous use of either Insert (default JAWS key for desktop keyboard layout) and CAPS LOCK (laptop layout) at the same time, but it definitely uses CAPS LOCK as the modifier key for laptop keyboard layout.

I know of very few users, whether of JAWS or NVDA, that use laptop keyboard layout since most laptops that are 15" or larger have had full keyboards with number pads for quite a while now.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

You can't crush ideas by suppressing them. You can only crush them by ignoring them.
     ~ Ursula LeGuin, The Dispossessed

On Mon, May 23, 2022 at 02:07 PM, Carlos Medrano wrote:

I thought it was the opposite; most laptops are getting rid of the number pad these days?

-
I haven't seen them disappearing except in the netbook space, which is not really a laptop, but an emailing and web browsing machine.  Once you get below 15-inch screens, though, many don't have number pads because there's just no way to fit them in the space available without making the main keyboard "too small for average human hands."

Whether a screen reader is involved or not, any business related use of a laptop is going to rely heavily on having a full-sized keyboard with a number pad included.

I've never encountered a 17-inch machine that doesn't have a number pad.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

You can't crush ideas by suppressing them. You can only crush them by ignoring them.
     ~ Ursula LeGuin, The Dispossessed

I have never seen a 15 inch laptop that did not have a number pad.

Hey, I’ve been wrong before!

On Mon, May 23, 2022 at 02:07 PM, Carlos Medrano wrote:

I thought it was the opposite; most laptops are getting rid of the number pad these days?

-
I haven't seen them disappearing except in the netbook space, which is not really a laptop, but an emailing and web browsing machine.  Once you get below 15-inch screens, though, many don't have number pads because there's just no way to fit them in the space available without making the main keyboard "too small for average human hands."

Whether a screen reader is involved or not, any business related use of a laptop is going to rely heavily on having a full-sized keyboard with a number pad included.

I've never encountered a 17-inch machine that doesn't have a number pad.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

You can't crush ideas by suppressing them. You can only crush them by ignoring them.
     ~ Ursula LeGuin, The Dispossessed

I’m going to see my bf  in September, he has a 15 inch laptop. I cant’ remember if it has a numpad or not, Mine does but I don’t like using it and wish it were just gone. Now I’m curious as I don’t recall his laptop having a number pad. But it’s been 3 years since I last saw him so I too could be wrong.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2022 11:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Whether or not recommending new NVDA user to set Capslock as NVDA key

 

I have never seen a 15 inch laptop that did not have a number pad.

Hey, I’ve been wrong before!

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: May 23, 2022 12:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Whether or not recommending new NVDA user to set Capslock as NVDA key

 

On Mon, May 23, 2022 at 02:07 PM, Carlos Medrano wrote:

I thought it was the opposite; most laptops are getting rid of the number pad these days?

-
I haven't seen them disappearing except in the netbook space, which is not really a laptop, but an emailing and web browsing machine.  Once you get below 15-inch screens, though, many don't have number pads because there's just no way to fit them in the space available without making the main keyboard "too small for average human hands."

Whether a screen reader is involved or not, any business related use of a laptop is going to rely heavily on having a full-sized keyboard with a number pad included.

I've never encountered a 17-inch machine that doesn't have a number pad.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

You can't crush ideas by suppressing them. You can only crush them by ignoring them.
     ~ Ursula LeGuin, The Dispossessed

Hmm. I usually tell people to try it both ways. Keep in mind that I'm considering this from the perspective of having key echo turned off and being really aggravated to find out that I've been coding for the last 5 to 10 minutes in upper case. Most programming languages are case sensitive, and depending on the programming style used, it's rare for me to write anything in upper case.


Having Capslock used as a modifier by NVDA makes it much harder for me to accidentally enable it in this particular case.


Hope this is helpful.


On 5/23/2022 12:38 PM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:

Does JAWS have this option? The only reason I ask is because JAWS was
the first screen reader I used, and this was not the modifier.
Therefore, I've found it quite strange to use that key, even though
NVDA has had it as an option ever since I've been using it. It's also
why I wasn't a fan of the revamped Narrator when it came out, because
that was its only modifier. That being said, it's really user
preference as has been stated before.

On 5/23/22, Chris Mullins <cjmullins29@...> wrote:

Hi

I always set Caps Lock as an NVDA modifier Because as a touch typist, it is
more convenient to have a modifier key on each side of the keyboard to
facilitate command entry.   For the same reason, I always get an external
keyboard with 2 Windows keys.



I rarely type in all capitals so the double press of the Caps Lock to engage
capital input is not an issue as using the shift key is not difficult.



Cheers

                 Chris

Sent from Mail for Windows



From: William
Sent: 23 May 2022 04:14
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Whether or not recommending new NVDA user to set Capslock as
NVDA key



Hi all,



I would like to ask for your opinion.



Some new NVDA users, including desktop and laptop owners, will ask for

my opinion on whether they should set the Capslock as the NVDA key.



With regard to desktop and laptop environment, the logic that I have

provided them are as follows:



1. setting Capslock key as NVDA key, you have to press the key two times

in order to input capital letters. But if you have to frequently press

the Capslock key to type capital letters, then setting Capslock key as

NVDA key will not be a good option.



2. setting Capslock key as NVDA key, you have one more option of NVDA

key, which you can choose from using the Capslock key or Insert key as

the NVDA key. But if you do not set Capslock as NVDA key, you will most

probably have to limit to pressing Insert key (laptop) or Insert key or

Numpad 0 (desktop).





How would you advice new NVDA users if they own a desktop or laptop

regarding this issue? thanks.

Hmm. I usually tell people to try it both ways. Keep in mind that I'm
considering this from the perspective of having key echo turned off
and being really aggravated to find out that I've been coding for the
last 5 to 10 minutes in upper case. Most programming languages are
case sensitive, and depending on the programming style used, it's rare
for me to write anything in upper case.


Having Capslock used as a modifier by NVDA makes it much harder for me
to accidentally enable it in this particular case.


Hope this is helpful.


On 5/23/2022 12:38 PM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:

Does JAWS have this option? The only reason I ask is because JAWS was
the first screen reader I used, and this was not the modifier.
Therefore, I've found it quite strange to use that key, even though
NVDA has had it as an option ever since I've been using it. It's also
why I wasn't a fan of the revamped Narrator when it came out, because
that was its only modifier. That being said, it's really user
preference as has been stated before.

On 5/23/22, Chris Mullins <cjmullins29@...> wrote:

Hi

I always set Caps Lock as an NVDA modifier Because as a touch
typist, it is
more convenient to have a modifier key on each side of the keyboard to
facilitate command entry. For the same reason, I always get an
external
keyboard with 2 Windows keys.



I rarely type in all capitals so the double press of the Caps Lock
to engage
capital input is not an issue as using the shift key is not difficult.



Cheers

Chris

Sent from Mail for Windows



From: William
Sent: 23 May 2022 04:14
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Whether or not recommending new NVDA user to set
Capslock as
NVDA key



Hi all,



I would like to ask for your opinion.



Some new NVDA users, including desktop and laptop owners, will ask for

my opinion on whether they should set the Capslock as the NVDA key.



With regard to desktop and laptop environment, the logic that I have

provided them are as follows:



1. setting Capslock key as NVDA key, you have to press the key two
times

in order to input capital letters. But if you have to frequently press

the Capslock key to type capital letters, then setting Capslock key as

NVDA key will not be a good option.



2. setting Capslock key as NVDA key, you have one more option of NVDA

key, which you can choose from using the Capslock key or Insert key as

the NVDA key. But if you do not set Capslock as NVDA key, you will most

probably have to limit to pressing Insert key (laptop) or Insert key or

Numpad 0 (desktop).





How would you advice new NVDA users if they own a desktop or laptop

regarding this issue? thanks.