Win10 start menu search box keeps saying "suggestions are available"
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Hi.
Just noticed in the latest nvda release that on windows start menu and search boxes suggestions are announced. While thhis is fine, I don't want to know the message stating suggestions are available all the time I type, they just come up when I type and I think its a bit unnecessary. I can't find how to turn them off spaciffically in nvda itself weather I get a message suggestions are announced, The message that they exist when I search is just to verbose If a toggle aint in nvda itself can one be added somewhere. It used not to be a problem really but now these are available in win10 to be announced I really don't need to be told suggestions are available, obviously I am searching and expect to find suggestions but I don't need them announced all the time that they are. Of course I could be in the wrong place and there is a toggle somewhere but I have looked round settings and never found that. |
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Hi, Ah, another change brought by Microsoft, evidenced by this being announced by Narrator also. In other words, there's nothing NVDA can really do here. Cheers, Joseph |
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Gene
You can use the speech dictionary to silence this phrase. If you
want to know how, ask.
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If you want to try to change the behavior, evidently that would be done by contacting the Microsoft unit that deals with accessibility. Others can probably tell you how to do that. Gene On 11/17/2022 5:14 AM, Joseph Lee
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Gene
In case clarification is desirable, I should have started my last
message with Shaun and all
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On 11/17/2022 5:21 AM, Gene via
groups.io wrote:
You can use the speech dictionary to silence this phrase. If you want to know how, ask. |
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Hi, In this case, I doubt speech dictionary entries will make a difference as this is a change introduced by Microsoft (see my earlier post as to why). Cheers, Joseph |
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Rui Fontes
Yes, they make a difference. I have tested using the expression: Suggestions are available replaced by nothing and it worked.
Rui Fontes
Às 11:40 de 17/11/2022, Joseph Lee
escreveu:
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Gene
I tested it just after I sent my message and it works. I don't know
if you need to place one space in the pronounced as field or if you
can just leave it blank. I used a space.
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Gene On 11/17/2022 5:40 AM, Joseph Lee
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I agree with you, I also hate suggestions and some annoying things that are impossible to remove like the following:
"Items"".
"View Elements".
"ready".
"Alert".
"Property Page".
"level one, level 2, level 3, level 4, etc."
"Agreed Table Can Be Edited".
"Read Only Edition".
"Menu Item".
"Button Collapsed."
"Menu Button Collapsed."
"Expanded Menu Button".
"Editable".
"group".
"List of Elements".
"Data Grid".
"Outside". "Out of Edition".
""MultiLine".
"Column Header".
"Header Element".
"context".
"Window".
"Tree".
"Sliding Bar".
"Editable".
many will say that it is possible to add them to the dictionary, however, this can harm the fact that when writing or reading an important message, there are words that cannot be heard |
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Luke Robinett
Hi,
I’m on the latest version of NVDA and using Windows 10 Home. As of the past couple days, every time I invoke the start menu and start typing an application’s name, NVDA announces “suggestions are available,” cutting off the announcement of the actual app’s name. I’m guessing this is because of a recent NVDA update, Windows update or a combination of both, but I’m not sure. Is anyone else experiencing this and is there a way to make it stop? I’m well aware that when I type into the start menu it will show suggestions. I don’t need NVDA telling me that every time. Lol. Thanks.
Luke
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Bob Cavanaugh
Something about this was posted earlier today, not sure whether the
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subject was the start menu or something else, but after seeing this, I tried it and got the same result. On 11/17/22, Luke Robinett <lukelistservs@...> wrote:
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Luke Robinett
Thanks Bob. Mostly just confirming it wasn't just me, haha. I trust it will be worked out in the next update, then. To be clear, NVDA still ultimately announces the app name; you just have to listen to the "suggestions are available" message first. Annoying but not a show stopper.
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Luke -----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Cavanaugh Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2022 8:42 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Win10 start menu search box keeps saying "suggestions are available" Something about this was posted earlier today, not sure whether the subject was the start menu or something else, but after seeing this, I tried it and got the same result. On 11/17/22, Luke Robinett <lukelistservs@...> wrote: Hi, |
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Arlene
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From: Luke Robinett
Sent: November 17, 2022 8:46 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Win10 start menu search box keeps saying "suggestions are available"
Thanks Bob. Mostly just confirming it wasn't just me, haha. I trust it will be worked out in the next update, then. To be clear, NVDA still ultimately announces the app name; you just have to listen to the "suggestions are available" message first. Annoying but not a show stopper.
Luke
-----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Cavanaugh Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2022 8:42 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Win10 start menu search box keeps saying "suggestions are available"
Something about this was posted earlier today, not sure whether the subject was the start menu or something else, but after seeing this, I tried it and got the same result.
On 11/17/22, Luke Robinett <lukelistservs@...> wrote: > Hi, > > > > I'm on the latest version of NVDA and using Windows 10 Home. As of the > past couple days, every time I invoke the start menu and start typing > an application's name, NVDA announces "suggestions are available," > cutting off the announcement of the actual app's name. I'm guessing > this is because of a recent NVDA update, Windows update or a > combination of both, but I'm not sure. Is anyone else experiencing > this and is there a way to make it stop? > I'm well aware that when I type into the start menu it will show > suggestions. I don't need NVDA telling me that every time. Lol. Thanks. > > > > Luke > > > > > > > > >
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Arlene
Hi, I get this with both Jaws and NVDA. I too am using win ten the latest NVDA build and Jaws 2021
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From: Luke Robinett
Sent: November 17, 2022 8:39 PM To: nvda@groups.io Subject: [nvda] Win10 start menu search box keeps saying "suggestions are available"
Hi,
I’m on the latest version of NVDA and using Windows 10 Home. As of the past couple days, every time I invoke the start menu and start typing an application’s name, NVDA announces “suggestions are available,” cutting off the announcement of the actual app’s name. I’m guessing this is because of a recent NVDA update, Windows update or a combination of both, but I’m not sure. Is anyone else experiencing this and is there a way to make it stop? I’m well aware that when I type into the start menu it will show suggestions. I don’t need NVDA telling me that every time. Lol. Thanks.
Luke
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Yes I am.
Its on all the systems I have. I know that it was discussed for win11 but some features are making it into win10 updates. Would be nice if that could be turned off or made into another tone or somethhing.
On 18/11/2022 5:39 pm, Luke Robinett
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Bob Cavanaugh
There is already a sound that NVDA makes when you move through
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suggestions, and it's been this way for years in Win 10. On 11/17/22, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
Yes I am. |
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Hi, This is a change introduced by Microsoft. As for how both Windows 10 and 11 users are seeing it, this is likely a server-side change to Start menu where Microsoft can add or modify features requiring installing updates via Windows Update (Start menu, for all practical purposes, is an app that embeds web content and technologies). Cheers, Joseph |
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Arlene
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From: Joseph Lee
Sent: November 17, 2022 9:53 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Win10 start menu search box keeps saying "suggestions are available"
Hi, This is a change introduced by Microsoft. As for how both Windows 10 and 11 users are seeing it, this is likely a server-side change to Start menu where Microsoft can add or modify features requiring installing updates via Windows Update (Start menu, for all practical purposes, is an app that embeds web content and technologies). Cheers, Joseph
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Arlene
I agree, I wish that can be turned off if you don’t want that announcement. There should be that option for both windows ten and eleven. I don’t see anything wrong with it. But there should be an option to have that turned off or left on.
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From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: November 17, 2022 9:07 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Win10 start menu search box keeps saying "suggestions are available"
Yes I am.
Its on all the systems I have. I know that it was discussed for win11 but some features are making it into win10 updates. Would be nice if that could be turned off or made into another tone or somethhing.
On 18/11/2022 5:39 pm, Luke Robinett wrote:
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Hi, The thing is that the option to enable/disable "suggestions available" announcement may not come to fruition at all. This is a change that's beyond NVDA unless you add speech dictionary entries, which means no resolution for braille users. Cheers, Joseph |
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Gene
As I said when this came up earlier, you can use the speech
dictionary to silence the sentence. Type it with no punctuation in
the pattern field. Leave the pronounced as field blank.
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Gene On 11/17/2022 10:39 PM, Luke Robinett
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