Win10 start menu search box keeps saying "suggestions are available"
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Cyrille
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Maybe we should all report it to Microsoft. Then they would understand that this notification is a degradation in the user experience, and hopefully remove it. Cheers, Cyrille On Fri, Nov 18, 2022 at 07:39 AM, Gene wrote: As I said when this came up earlier, you can use the speech dictionary to silence the sentence. Type it with no punctuation in the pattern field. Leave the pronounced as field blank. |
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Gene
I don't know the procedure for reporting problems to the Microsoft
accessibility unit and I'm not saying that is the correct name but
if enough people report the problem, it will be taken more
seriously.
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Gene On 11/18/2022 2:06 AM, Cyrille via
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Gene
Here is a suggestion which is available. (grin) I found out
something interesting. First, the practical application:
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If you are really in a hurry and don't want to hear the announcement, you can down arrow and up arrow very quickly as soon as you hear speech and the additional sentence won't be spoken. Down arrow once, then up arrow once and you will just hear the suggestion. Now, what I found out that caused me to realize you can do this: I was playing with the start menu search. Using NVDA and Windows 10, if I type the name of something if I use the read current line command, NVDA says suggestions are available every time before reading the name of the program. But if I down arrow and then up arrow once to be where I was, reading the current line doesn't cause suggestions are available to be spoken. I wonder what is going on from a programming point of view that the additional text disappears from the screen-reader's knowledge when you move away, then move back. Gene On 11/18/2022 12:39 AM, Gene via
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As I said when this came up earlier, you can use the speech dictionary to silence the sentence. Type it with no punctuation in the pattern field. Leave the pronounced as field blank. |
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Brian's Mail list account
I find the eternal suggestions as one types off-putting and always have. It would be nice if some key could be held down while you are typing and the item in the list only announced when you let go, and this might also stop this annoying announcement too. Probably not practical, but would be good to have.
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Brian -- bglists@... Sent via blueyonder.(Virgin media) Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2022 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] suggestions announcements in search boxes Hi, Ah, another change brought by Microsoft, evidenced by this being announced by Narrator also. In other words, there's nothing NVDA can really do here. Cheers, Joseph |
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Brian's Mail list account
Yes it does it in Narrator as well so its over to Microsoft I fear.
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From: "Bob Cavanaugh" <cavbob1993@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2022 4:42 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Win10 start menu search box keeps saying "suggestions are available" Something about this was posted earlier today, not sure whether the |
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Brian's Mail list account
Is that the sound somebody described to me as like a tortoise farting? Not having one of these reptiles I could not say.
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Brian -- bglists@... Sent via blueyonder.(Virgin media) Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Cavanaugh" <cavbob1993@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2022 5:10 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Win10 start menu search box keeps saying "suggestions are available" There is already a sound that NVDA makes when you move through suggestions, and it's been this way for years in Win 10. On 11/17/22, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote: Yes I am. |
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Gene
It is a whooshing sound that plays and goes up when you enter suggestions and plays again when you leave suggestions, but this time it goes down.
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I don't remember how, but I stopped it. I don't see what value it has, doing the same thing as this unnecessary speech over and over again. Gene On 11/18/2022 5:16 AM, Brian's Mail list account via groups.io wrote:
Is that the sound somebody described to me as like a tortoise farting? Not having one of these reptiles I could not say. |
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Don H
Also happening with Win 11
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On 11/17/2022 10:50 PM, Arlene wrote:
Confirmed! I’m using win ten and I get the same thing in start menue. |
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Don H
OK the solution at least for NVDA is to add suggestions are available,
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to the default dic. Note the comma after the word available is to be included in the dic entry. Just leave the replace with blank. I think Gean made this suggestion as well. On 11/18/2022 7:36 AM, Don H wrote:
Also happening with Win 11 |
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z9zyt0@...
The bad thing about suggestions is that they make you waste time listening to things that are not worth it if you already know their functions, and that causes delays in one's activities.
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z9zyt0@...
It's a real problem that NVDA adds features and doesn't allow turning them off, just like in document formats, that it doesn't allow turning off all descriptions in document formats.
They should get to work making it possible to disable all new features, instead of fixing things that aren't even worth it, like putting security patches. |
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On Fri, Nov 18, 2022 at 03:23 AM, Gene wrote:
I don't know the procedure for reporting problems to the Microsoft accessibility unit- The Feedback Hub. That or call (or otherwise reach out to) Microsoft Windows & Office Accessibility Support. Everything can be reported through the Feedback Hub, and accessibility is one of the categories (or subcategories, I can't specifically recall which). -- It used to be understood that if you published and profited from a mass media platform you should also be responsible for its content. That idea is nowadays considered quaintly archaic. There is no real accountability, and almost limitless ability to post any kind of ridiculous and scurrilous nonsense. God help us. ~ Ross Goldbaum, Letter to the New York Times, Regulating Media: It’s Now Seen as a Quaint Idea, November 13, 2022 |
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Dave Grossoehme
Thank you Joseph for this information. I was stumped, beings the first message on this said it was because of the NVDA update. I updated NVDA to March 2, several days ago. This just showed up late yesterday. I was guessing it was from Micro Soft, but hadn't worked enough with it to make sure. Dave
On 11/17/2022 6:14 AM, Joseph Lee
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Windows F is your friend. No, I really mean that, leave feedback for the Microsoft team, then leave a link here, and we can upvoat and put our own comments if applicable. I might do this, or at least search for it later after work.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2022 10:25 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Win10 start menu search box keeps saying "suggestions are available"
I agree, I wish that can be turned off if you don’t want that announcement. There should be that option for both windows ten and eleven. I don’t see anything wrong with it. But there should be an option to have that turned off or left on.
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From: Shaun Everiss
Yes I am.
Its on all the systems I have. I know that it was discussed for win11 but some features are making it into win10 updates. Would be nice if that could be turned off or made into another tone or somethhing.
On 18/11/2022 5:39 pm, Luke Robinett wrote:
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This is actually not nvda but an ms issue. Submit feedback to them with windows f. Joseph explained it better than I could so look at the group archives for more information.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of z9zyt0@...
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2022 10:40 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Win10 start menu search box keeps saying "suggestions are available"
It's a real problem that NVDA adds features and doesn't allow turning them off, just like in document formats, that it doesn't allow turning off all descriptions in document formats. They should get to work making it possible to disable all new features, instead of fixing things that aren't even worth it, like putting security patches. |
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On Thu, Nov 17, 2022 at 06:14 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
another change brought by Microsoft, evidenced by this being announced by Narrator also. In other words, there's nothing NVDA can really do here.- Well, since I wanted to see how to pick accessibility related feedback in Feedback Hub, I've created an issue for this. See: "Suggestions available" announcement is an impediment to accessibility in Windows Search & Start Menu For the record, "Accessibility" is one of the primary category choices in the Feedback hub. That being said, if the complaint is about accessibility in a specific program, rather than Windows in general, you'll probably want to use the primary category appropriate to the program with which you're having an accessibility issue. -- It used to be understood that if you published and profited from a mass media platform you should also be responsible for its content. That idea is nowadays considered quaintly archaic. There is no real accountability, and almost limitless ability to post any kind of ridiculous and scurrilous nonsense. God help us. ~ Ross Goldbaum, Letter to the New York Times, Regulating Media: It’s Now Seen as a Quaint Idea, November 13, 2022 |
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On Fri, Nov 18, 2022 at 11:52 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Submit feedbackThe former topic, suggestions announcements in search boxes, has been merged with this one, as they're really both about exactly the same issue. All ongoing discussion should occur on this topic. Since Sarah suggested submitting feedback, I will repeat that I have created feedback for this. Anyone who wishes to can upvote and/or add comments to that feedback, as the amount of upvotes and comments any piece of feedback gets tends to make it "bubble up" in the list of things to look at on the development side. See existing Microsoft feedback: "Suggestions available" announcement is an impediment to accessibility in Windows Search & Start Menu -- It used to be understood that if you published and profited from a mass media platform you should also be responsible for its content. That idea is nowadays considered quaintly archaic. There is no real accountability, and almost limitless ability to post any kind of ridiculous and scurrilous nonsense. God help us. ~ Ross Goldbaum, Letter to the New York Times, Regulating Media: It’s Now Seen as a Quaint Idea, November 13, 2022 |
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Luke Robinett
Great, so the TLDR here for anyone just joining the thread seems to be: 1. Submit feedback to Microsoft accessibility 2. Functionally disable the announcement using the default speech dictionary BTW sorry I missed the original thread about this. Admittedly I find both the email list and the groups.IO site a bit unwieldy so I wasn’t aware of the original topic. Thanks again, all. Luke On Nov 18, 2022, at 9:10 AM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
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Don H
A question for someone who can see the screen, does the words suggestions are available show on the screen? If so even with someone who is sighted what good does the announcment provide?
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Dave Grossoehme
Joseph sent a message out on this issue, which is due to a windows update. Dave
On 11/17/2022 11:39 PM, Luke Robinett
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